My view of the war

[BillyB]

Well Billy, evidence was presented showing him as a gunman with two hands, when it is obvious he only has one hand.  Now that
'evidence' was easily refuted and is obviously fake, which will raise the question as to what else is fake?

Could be sloppy work by the prosecutors. How they determined a man in a mask is the officer in question is beyond me. They judge should not even allow that evidence in court but just because one piece of evidence is wrong or questionable, doesn't mean the guy didn't do it. Before every trial in America, evidence is reviewed by the judge before allowing it to be presented in court.


More than anybody, the victim's families want the truth and the right people to go to jail. I'm sure they're following this closer than our media and us. If they believe the wrong guys are going to trial, they will speak up.

[lordtiberius]

You are mindlessly jabbering here.  I've never said a thing about tower 7 in the past...and have no interest in that subject.


Fathertime!

Touche

[lordtiberius]

Tell that to our king (who is half German) and Queen (who is Argentinian).

Can't argue that

[AC]

You know the Dutch aren't even a real country

This is true.  Although I've heard of Deutschland (Germany) I have never heard of Dutchland.  Isn't there a country nearby called The Netherlands though?   

[lordtiberius]

This is true.  Although I've heard of Deutschland (Germany) I have never heard of Dutchland.  Isn't there a country nearby called The Netherlands though?   

Did you know you can shoot their people out of the sky, pick over their dead remains for credit cards and mascara and nothing bad will happen to you?  Let me lend you my Buk on the matter.


La la la la la

[Gator]

You know the Dutch aren't even a real country

This makes no sense.  They have a long history (longer than Germany's), their own language, and are acclaimed in many areas to include international business, art, etc.

[fathertime]

It would seem that we (the USA) is trying hard to harm the Russian economy through secret deals with Saudi Arabia, by lowering oil prices.  Well in the process chevron stock has plummeted to near new 52 week lows.  We are shooting economy/ourselves in the foot in our zeal to harm Russia...and it isn't going to work anyway, as China among others are going to support Russia....   Here is a link discussing the backdoor deal we have made.  Well at least the gasoline I purchase weekly is a little less.


http://www.examiner.com/article/as-secret-saudi-deal-increases-harm-to-russian-currency-china-intervenes


Fathertime! 

[Boethius]

I doubt quite strongly that Russia has anything to do with this.  OPEC countries are fighting for market share, particularly since the US started drilling shale oil.  The US is now exporting oil to Eastern Canada, which previously received gas from Western Canada and . . . Saudi Arabia.


Shale gas (and oilsands) need a certain price per barrel to be profitable.  So, dropping prices will help those countries which don't have a significant cost in extracting oil (the Gulf States and Iran).

[AC]

This makes no sense.  They have a long history (longer than Germany's), their own language, and are acclaimed in many areas to include international business, art, etc.

Lighten up, it was a joke.  Just a play on the "Ukraine isn't really a country, Kazakhstan isn't really a country, etc. by Putler.  Get it??

[lordtiberius]

300% agree with AC

[Doll]

It would seem that we (the USA) is trying hard to harm the Russian economy  .



 

So you are openly saying that the USA is harming Russia.
(I agree).

[Muzh]

I doubt quite strongly that Russia has anything to do with this.  OPEC countries are fighting for market share, particularly since the US started drilling shale oil.  The US is now exporting oil to Eastern Canada, which previously received gas from Western Canada and . . . Saudi Arabia.


Shale gas (and oilsands) need a certain price per barrel to be profitable.  So, dropping prices will help those countries which don't have a significant cost in extracting oil (the Gulf States and Iran).

Please Boe, try using smaller words so FT and Doll can understand. 

[Doll]

And sloooooooooowwwwwwwwwlier

[Gator]

I doubt quite strongly that Russia has anything to do with this.  OPEC countries are fighting for market share, particularly since the US started drilling shale oil.  The US is now exporting oil to Eastern Canada, which previously received gas from Western Canada and . . . Saudi Arabia.


Shale gas (and oilsands) need a certain price per barrel to be profitable.  So, dropping prices will help those countries which don't have a significant cost in extracting oil (the Gulf States and Iran).

Exactly.   Natural Resource Economics 101 says that those who own and control the natural resources must keep the price low to prevent alternative sources from developing.  Shale drilling is an alternative source. 

Saudi Arabia does nothing that does not benefit its long term goals.

[Faux Pas]

So you are openly saying that the USA is harming Russia.
(I agree).

But, Russia is doing no harm to Ukraine?

[AC]

Exactly.   Natural Resource Economics 101 says that those who own and control the natural resources must keep the price low to prevent alternative sources from developing.  Shale drilling is an alternative source. 

Saudi Arabia does nothing that does not benefit its long term goals.

This is true, and long-term Saudi goals and US goals currently coincide; which is the destruction of ISIS. 

[Doll]

But, Russia is doing no harm to Ukraine?

What does the US have to do with it?
No, Russia is not intentionally harming Ukrainian economy.
The US that is on another half of globe interferes in this conflict is  intentionally harming Russian economy.
And you guys are saying it openly.

[AC]

What does the US have to do with it?
No, Russia is not intentionally harming Ukrainian economy.


 


The US that is on another half of globe interferes in this conflict is intentionally harming Russian economy.
And you guys are saying it openly.

That's right we are doing that, but not only the USA is doing it, so are our partners in NATO.  That's what happens when a bully like Putler invades another sovereign country.

The USA is a superpower and Russia is not.
The US Dollar is the reserve currency of the World and the Ruble is not.

Anymore questions or concerns?

[calmissile]

What does the US have to do with it?
No, Russia is not intentionally harming Ukrainian economy.
The US that is on another half of globe interferes in this conflict is  intentionally harming Russian economy.
And you guys are saying it openly.

There is a humanitarian need to assist Ukraine.  They were too weak to defend themselves against the Russian bully. 

It's not only the US and Canada on this side of the globe helping Ukraine, it is also Europe and Australia.

You can't figure out that with most of the world on Ukraine's side, there must be something wrong with Russian policy?

[Doll]

AC please remove the "smile" from my quote.

[AC]

There is a humanitarian need to assist Ukraine.  They were too weak to defend themselves against the Russian bully. 

It's not only the US and Canada on this side of the globe helping Ukraine, it is also Europe and Australia.

You can't figure out that with most of the world on Ukraine's side, there must be something wrong with Russian policy?

Well, she did say that Russians are stubborn.

[Doll]

That's right we are doing that, but not only the USA is doing it, so are our partners in NATO.   

same to your" NATO partners"- stay away.

[Gator]

So you are openly saying that the USA is harming Russia.
(I agree).

And I agree with you.

Doll, do you seriously believe that a dictator's annexation of the sovereign territory of another country goes unpunished, especially if it has negative implications for world stability?   Let me remind you - before Putin, there was Saddam Hussein in 1990.  There was also  East Timor, West Bank-Jerusalem-Golan Heights, and a couple of smaller examples.   These have either been resolved not in favor of the aggressive country or remain embroiled in conflict decades later.

So the US and Europe and other G20 powers are attempting to affect adversely the Russian economy in the hopes of reversing Putin's aggression; they are accomplishing it with economic sanctions, not with secret deals with Saudi Arabia.   They did these sanctions knowing it would adversely affect the EU economy and eventually the US economy; otherwise the sanctions would be even stiffer. 

BTW, how well is the US-EU plan working?  Russia is compelled to make sweetheart deals with China, giving China concessions it never would have done last year.  The deal boosts China, a country that poses a far greater threat to Russia's futurethan anything to the West.   Your man Putin is backing himself into a corner and has not been smart about it, and it will affect Russia even more than what has already happened.  Maybe Putin befits that term you find so vulgar. 

Also, rest assure that long term plans are underway to reduce Europe's dependence on Russian gas.

 

[AC]

same to your" NATO partners"- stay away.

Keep us away, Doll!  You don't seem to realize that it was Putin's actions which brought about the change in perception in Millions of minds in Ukraine!  Before it may have only been about half the country which supported a move away from Russia and towards the EU and possibly NATO membership in the future, and now most of Ukraine wants help from NATO to defend themselves against the aggression and destruction of Putin's war on Ukraine!  So he accomplished exactly the opposite of what he wanted; at least for now.  Let's see what happens during and after the G20 summit.

[Faux Pas]

What does the US have to do with it?
No, Russia is not intentionally harming Ukrainian economy.

Yes, Russia is harming Ukraine's economy and Ukraine's right to live in peace.

The US that is on another half of globe interferes in this conflict is  intentionally harming Russian economy.
And you guys are saying it openly.

Yes, we are. It's no secret that economic sanctions have been instituted against Russia because of Russia's naked aggression on the sovereign lands of Ukraine. Deal with it