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[AC]

And yet despite the 100 or so foreign women you've dated, you're still single.  Go figure.

And apparently you missed my post where I stated that I intend to remain single.  Marriage is not for everyone; although I might consider it once I reach retirement age.

[lordtiberius]

The only representations made that I am a Christian are yours.   You sound like a second grader.  Is there anyone you actually like on this Board?  Or are you so insecure and immature that you cannot interact with people normally?

I guess, aside from comic relief, we are wondering what you are doing here if you are happily married and have no interest in those who are looking.  (That is the second time you've let everyone know that you could care less in the last few paragraphs.)

I pray that you find what it is you are looking for.  If you have a good woman, I pray that you would do right by her.  I pray that your children enjoy the friendship of Jesus Christ forever and I wish the same for AC.

I don't believe in the cultural superiority of one race over another.  I have preferences that are unique to my background.  I always advise dating locally and abroad as do many here.  I do not put age limits except those prescribed by the Church. 

Boethius gives good advice and she has a good grasp of the culture and geopolitics.

As to my retirement, I will take it under advisement.

[fathertime]

There is a cross cultural survey, several years old, on this forum, that puts the stat at about 8% lower than American marriages.  However, I believe that survey is out of date.  Even on this forum, slightly more than half the men posting from, say, six years ago, are now divorced.

Interesting...only 8% less...given the age of many of the men that are newlyweds, it could be that the ladies figure they may as well stick it out a few extra years, rather than go through the hassle/risk of divorce.  if indeed that is a factor then there is basically no difference...if we are to believe the stat to begin with.


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

I think when WW hit their forties, for the most part, if they have been married, they want male companionship, but not marriage. 

That is another interesting statement....I don't know about that one though....What makes you think this is the case?  I do think that many men in their 50's and up begin to feel that way also, especially when they look at that their realistic options among the ladies here in the states...but that is just my biased hunch.


Fathertime!

[Boethius]

What makes you think this is the case?

I know it is the case, from both personal observation and discussions with women in that age group.  Mind you, all the women I have spoken to, or observed, were self sufficient.  I assume women who are struggling with self sufficiency would have a different perspective.

I think it is a matter of not wanting the responsibility and hassle of another human being, without thinking of the pluses. 

[AC]

I think it is a matter of not wanting the responsibility and hassle of another human being, without thinking of the pluses.

    Oh yeah, every guys fantasy.

[Boethius]

You don't have to believe it.  No difference to me, either way.

[ML]

  Foreign born women step up to the plate and compete for a man's attention.  A guy who prefers younger women can find them easily, get their attention and date them. 

The single WW don't compare in quality . . .

AC you are partly right and partly wrong.

I agree with the first paragraph above.

But don't agree with the second partial sentence.

For every quality FSUW there is a WW who is of equal quality.

The difference is, the specific WW you and I would be interested in (because she is equal to the FSUW whom we are interested in) is not interested in us.

The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

[Turboguy]

As I recall the long ago times when I used some of the American dating sites and was looking for what I would call middle aged women when you looked through the photos there were lots that were 5'2" and 250 pounds and some that looked like they had been run over by a Mack truck and then you would spot one that was really nice looking and not fat.  So you would read her description and it would say she was looking for a handsome man aged 21-25 which was maybe 20-25 years younger than she was.

[Boethius]

it would say she was looking for a handsome man aged 21-25 which was maybe 20-25 years younger than she was.

You can be certain those women were not looking for husbands.

[ML]

. . . then you would spot one that was really nice looking and not fat.  So you would read her description and it would say she was looking for a handsome man aged 21-25 which was maybe 20-25 years younger than she was.

Yes, that is similar to what I was saying.

The woman that most of us would desire is right here in USA.

But she won't desire us, because such women are in very high demand and can dictate her specifications.

It is only men who should be able to dictate the specifications.  :-))

[pitbull]

For every quality FSUW there is a WW who is of equal quality.

The difference is, the specific WW you and I would be interested in (because she is equal to the FSUW whom we are interested in) is not interested in us.

The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.
All statistical data say that obesity rates are roughly equal for both men and women in the US (let's say 35%).
 
All things being equal, the slender AM are as rare (or common, depending on how you look at this) as slender AW.
If we simplify and say that those slender AM and AW are not interested in overweight/obese suitors, then they should be in equal demand and have equal choice among similarly nourished specimens of the opposite sex.
I think that the real issue with men complaining about the lack of high quality AW, is that they themselves are well below the "quality" threshold that they hold women to.
 
In other words, a truck driver joe schmo high school dropout 50 lbs overweight really wants a slender college educated woman 15 years his junior, a woman which is way higher in quality than he is. Of course such AW will not give him a time of the day.
But in economically depressed countries his blue passport suddenly gives him enough extra points to score such a woman, at least temporarily.
Now, THAT story makes sense. All that whining about how there are so few quality thin AW for Joe Schmoe  in his beloved Redneckistan - doesn't.
 
 

[RoboCop]

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.
All statistical data say that obesity rates are roughly equal for both men and women in the US (let's say 35%).
 
All things being equal, the slender AM are as rare (or common, depending on how you look at this) as slender AW.
If we simplify and say that those slender AM and AW are not interested in overweight/obese suitors, then they should be in equal demand and have equal choice among similarly nourished specimens of the opposite sex.
I think that the real issue with men complaining about the lack of high quality AW, is that they themselves are well below the "quality" threshold that they hold women to.
 
In other words, a truck driver joe schmo high school dropout 50 lbs overweight really wants a slender college educated woman 15 years his junior, a woman which is way higher in quality than he is. Of course such AW will not give him a time of the day.
But in economically depressed countries his blue passport suddenly gives him enough extra points to score such a woman, at least temporarily.
Now, THAT story makes sense. All that whining about how there are so few quality thin AW for Joe Schmoe  in his beloved Redneckistan - doesn't.

Good point. Now if you were an obese redneck, with a GED who could only attract overweight, ugly, war pigs back home; then why shouldn't you take advantage of your blue passport and go for someone who's younger and more attractive overseas? Go to anywhere in California and you'll routinely see overweight, 'ugly' WM holding hands with a beautiful Asian/FSU/Latin American girl whilst pushing a pram.

I agree it's pathetic, but you got to be a moron to sell yourself short.

[AC]

Good point. Now if you were an obese redneck, with a GED who could only attract overweight, ugly, war pigs back home; then why shouldn't you take advantage of your blue passport and go for someone who's younger and more attractive overseas? Go to anywhere in California and you'll routinely see overweight, 'ugly' WM holding hands with a beautiful Asian/FSU/Latin American girl whilst pushing a pram.

I agree it's pathetic, but you got to be a moron to sell yourself short.

Boom!   

[jone]

I pray that you find what it is you are looking for.  If you have a good woman, I pray that you would do right by her.  I pray that your children enjoy the friendship of Jesus Christ forever and I wish the same for AC.

I don't believe in the cultural superiority of one race over another.  I have preferences that are unique to my background.  I always advise dating locally and abroad as do many here.  I do not put age limits except those prescribed by the Church. 

Boethius gives good advice and she has a good grasp of the culture and geopolitics.

As to my retirement, I will take it under advisement.

LT,

Do you think I, or anyone on this forum, care what you pray?  It is the old Christian cop out.  When you get stuck with your hand in the cookie jar, you say "I'll pray for you".

My suggestion is that if you're in a praying mood to get down on your hands and knees and repent for all of the senseless insults you seem to throw around here.  And if you really feel remorse, then stop doing it.  But don't give us this "I will trust in God and sin on bravely routine". 

You are on record, on this Board, of naming many different ethnic, religious and political groups as enemies of the United States and the Constitution.  Let's see, in the last two weeks, you've named Islam, Communists, Democrats, FT, Jay, myself, AC as enemies.  I'm sure I've missed a couple.  Oh, Muzh (absolutely an enemy).  Inadvertently you've called FP an enemy, but it might have been in jest.  You've constantly stated on here that people have no honor or that they are stupid. 

Then, in a clear effort to enlist people to your efforts to spread your faith you accuse people who choose not to make this a forum of religion to be agnostics or atheists.  All when they choose not to engage you on religion.

I think that the only one you haven't called out who is a regular poster is Boethius.  Possibly Mendy. 

Do you get the trend here, LT?  This is why you are considered the class clown.  Buckle up.  Get over talking religion on here, and make a valuable contribution.  How about a nice trip report?  We could use a couple of those.

Tell us all how you met your wife, if you haven't already done so.

[Boethius]

Good point. Now if you were an obese redneck, with a GED who could only attract overweight, ugly, war pigs back home; then why shouldn't you take advantage of your blue passport and go for someone who's younger and more attractive overseas? Go to anywhere in California and you'll routinely see overweight, 'ugly' WM holding hands with a beautiful Asian/FSU/Latin American girl whilst pushing a pram.

I agree it's pathetic, but you got to be a moron to sell yourself short.

None of which negates what pitbull posted.

[JayH]

LT,

Do you think I, or anyone on this forum, care what you pray?  It is the old Christian cop out.  When you get stuck with your hand in the cookie jar, you say "I'll pray for you".

My suggestion is that if you're in a praying mood to get down on your hands and knees and repent for all of the senseless insults you seem to throw around here.  And if you really feel remorse, then stop doing it.  But don't give us this "I will trust in God and sin on bravely routine". 

You are on record, on this Board, of naming many different ethnic, religious and political groups as enemies of the United States and the Constitution.  Let's see, in the last two weeks, you've named Islam, Communists, Democrats, FT, Jay, myself, AC as enemies.  I'm sure I've missed a couple.  Oh, Muzh (absolutely an enemy).  Inadvertently you've called FP an enemy, but it might have been in jest.  You've constantly stated on here that people have no honor or that they are stupid. 

Then, in a clear effort to enlist people to your efforts to spread your faith you accuse people who choose not to make this a forum of religion to be agnostics or atheists.  All when they choose not to engage you on religion.

I think that the only one you haven't called out who is a regular poster is Boethius.  Possibly Mendy. 

Do you get the trend here, LT?  This is why you are considered the class clown.  Buckle up.  Get over talking religion on here, and make a valuable contribution.  How about a nice trip report?  We could use a couple of those.

Tell us all how you met your wife, if you haven't already done so.

Jon--you are wrong-- Bothius and Mendy have copped it!!

[RoboCop]

There is a cross cultural survey, several years old, on this forum, that puts the stat at about 8% lower than American marriages.  However, I believe that survey is out of date.  Even on this forum, slightly more than half the men posting from, say, six years ago, are now divorced.

Marriages between an American spouse and foreign born mate tend to be more long lasting as most of those marriages are between foreign nationals (such as Mexicans) for whom divorce is generally considered a sin.

A survey on a forum does not consitute a reliable source of data. If you are going to claim that the divorce rate between WM/FSUW are the same as WM/WM, then you have got back-up your claims with more credible sources.

[RoboCop]

None of which negates what pitbull posted.

This is not an attack on you Boethius, because I actually like to read what you have to say and respect your views (despite our perspectives being different at times), but none of what I wrote negated what pitbull posted, because I wasn't trying to.

[Boethius]

A survey on a forum does not consitute a reliable source of data. If you are going to claim that the divorce rate between WM/FSUW are the same as WM/WM, then you have got back-up your claims with more credible sources.

It was not a forum survey. It was a survey commissioned by the owner of this forum, and involved researchers from three universities. All data was evaluated by an expert in the field of statistical analysis.  The size was in accordance with most surveys (over 2300 responses, but 1,700 formed the survey, as the rest were incomplete).  I think, however, that a survey today would yield a higher divorce rate.

[jone]

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.
All statistical data say that obesity rates are roughly equal for both men and women in the US (let's say 35%).
 
All things being equal, the slender AM are as rare (or common, depending on how you look at this) as slender AW.
If we simplify and say that those slender AM and AW are not interested in overweight/obese suitors, then they should be in equal demand and have equal choice among similarly nourished specimens of the opposite sex.
I think that the real issue with men complaining about the lack of high quality AW, is that they themselves are well below the "quality" threshold that they hold women to.
 
In other words, a truck driver joe schmo high school dropout 50 lbs overweight really wants a slender college educated woman 15 years his junior, a woman which is way higher in quality than he is. Of course such AW will not give him a time of the day.
But in economically depressed countries his blue passport suddenly gives him enough extra points to score such a woman, at least temporarily.
Now, THAT story makes sense. All that whining about how there are so few quality thin AW for Joe Schmoe  in his beloved Redneckistan - doesn't.

James Michner, in his classic book, Space, had a character by the name of Randy Claggett.  Now, old Randy was living the high life as an Astronaut and would make a play for a woman no matter where he was.  Fortunately for Randy, he had a PhD in applied physics even though he talked with a down home Tex Mex  accent.  He did so to confuse the ribbon clerks.

After traveling through Eastern Europe for the better part of twenty years, I can tell you that most of the women who would have their heads turned by an American are simply ribbon clerks.  Quite honestly, for someone like me, they could never hold my interest long enough for me to import them to Redneckistanifornia.

My point is that while the body may be slimmer;  And the face may be prettier;  ultimately the water rises to the same level.  Unless the couple is a OWW, there is a period of time whereby the adjustment or separation takes place.  The couple either balances or dissolves.

Pitbull, I believe that the dating pool has changed even in the couple of years that I have been here.  Sure there are some feather heads that will want to marry an American, no matter who he is.  But those exist already in the US as well.  All the guy needs is a hefty check book.  Most of the women in the FSU that I met were much more evaluative of the guys coming to meet them as I was able to observe.  At least those that weren't there to fleece the guys.

So, ultimately, our high school dropout could be very equally yolked with the featherhead from Eastern Europe.  And neither would feel slighted and both would be happy.  Or at least that's the way it would seem. 

I may be getting jaundiced in my long of dating tooth years, but I have a great appreciation of how many road blocks there are to a happy, successful relationship.  And I am still struck by the great differences between women of one generation and a man of another.  But, who knows?   Maybe I'll be a lucky one and find a ribbon clerk who can read books.  Now, if I could only pick up a Tex Mex accent.

[LiveFromUkraine]

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.
All statistical data say that obesity rates are roughly equal for both men and women in the US (let's say 35%).

Now, now pitbull, you are forgetting who you speak of. 


You haven't noticed some of the guys who want slender women are not slender themselves?  This is not about equality, it's about getting something they think they are entitled too because they have some cash but not enough cash for the slender WW women.   

[lordtiberius]

LT,

Do you think I, or anyone on this forum, care what you pray?  It is the old Christian cop out.  When you get stuck with your hand in the cookie jar, you say "I'll pray for you".

My suggestion is that if you're in a praying mood to get down on your hands and knees and repent for all of the senseless insults you seem to throw around here.  And if you really feel remorse, then stop doing it.  But don't give us this "I will trust in God and sin on bravely routine". 

You are on record, on this Board, of naming many different ethnic, religious and political groups as enemies of the United States and the Constitution.  Let's see, in the last two weeks, you've named Islam, Communists, Democrats, FT, Jay, myself, AC as enemies.  I'm sure I've missed a couple.  Oh, Muzh (absolutely an enemy).  Inadvertently you've called FP an enemy, but it might have been in jest.  You've constantly stated on here that people have no honor or that they are stupid. 

Then, in a clear effort to enlist people to your efforts to spread your faith you accuse people who choose not to make this a forum of religion to be agnostics or atheists.  All when they choose not to engage you on religion.

I think that the only one you haven't called out who is a regular poster is Boethius.  Possibly Mendy. 

Do you get the trend here, LT?  This is why you are considered the class clown.  Buckle up.  Get over talking religion on here, and make a valuable contribution.  How about a nice trip report?  We could use a couple of those.

Tell us all how you met your wife, if you haven't already done so.

Good luck to you.

[Shadow]

I pray that you find what it is you are looking for.  If you have a good woman, I pray that you would do right by her.  I pray that your children enjoy the friendship of Jesus Christ forever and I wish the same for AC.

I don't believe in the cultural superiority of one race over another.  I have preferences that are unique to my background.  I always advise dating locally and abroad as do many here.  I do not put age limits except those prescribed by the Church. 

Boethius gives good advice and she has a good grasp of the culture and geopolitics.

As to my retirement, I will take it under advisement.

You are aware that becuase there is no supernatural being your praying will not do anything except waste your time ?

[AC]

You are aware that becuase there is no supernatural being your praying will not do anything except waste your time ?

Wrong thread and now you are just trying to provoke and pile on.  Give it a rest, please.