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[Shadow]

Wrong thread and now you are just trying to provoke and pile on.  Give it a rest, please.

The thread started because our holier-than-thou friend requested not to be commented on his religious diarrhea.
I made it very clear that as long as he posts it, there will be an answer. If he wishes to discuss religion, there is a thread for it.
Placing it elsewhere shall invoke a response, though I will try to do it more appropriate as in this case.

[AC]

The thread started because our holier-than-thou friend requested not to be commented on his religious diarrhea.
I made it very clear that as long as he posts it, there will be an answer. If he wishes to discuss religion, there is a thread for it.
Placing it elsewhere shall invoke a response, though I will try to do it more appropriate as in this case.

You responded to a post which he made to jone.  You are deliberately trying to provoke by inserting yourself into another's conversation.

[ML]

Quote from: ML on Yesterday at 09:58:13 PM

For every quality FSUW there is a WW who is of equal quality.

The difference is, the specific WW you and I would be interested in (because she is equal to the FSUW whom we are interested in) is not interested in us.

The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.

There were no 'statistics' in my comments.  You are trying to add something that wasn't there.

Yes, if expanded further, you and I agree about what is happening.

As you noted, previous posters state quality WW are not available.

You and I state that quality WW are available.

I stated that these quality WW do not want some of we WM because of age gaps and other issues.

You go further and state these quality WW may not want we WM  because of weight and other issues.

I completely agree there are many reasons why quality WW may not want a specific WM.

No big surprises there.

[pitbull]

Quote from: ML on Yesterday at 09:58:13 PM


The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

This is the phrase that triggered my response. If you do include statistics, then if you are fairly slender, then you are "an equally fairly rare slender WM and have a long list of women interested in you."   The real competition should be as huge for you among women as it is for a slender WW among WM.
 
 

[Muzh]

Foreign born women step up to the plate and compete for a mans attention.  A guy who prefers younger women can find them easily, get their attention and date them. 

The single WW don't compare in quality

AC you are partly right and partly wrong.

I agree with the first paragraph above.

But don't agree with the second partial sentence.

For every quality FSUW there is a WW who is of equal quality.

The difference is, the specific WW you and I would be interested in (because she is equal to the FSUW whom we are interested in) is not interested in us.

The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

ML, most every guy here making the above statement suffer from the sour grapes parable syndrome. It is themselves who are the limiting factor in having a successful relationship with WW. So they focus on foreign women who are desperately looking to emigrate away from adverse conditions that would attach to the first mule available. If the women cannot communicate effectively, then that's icing on the cake.

[fathertime]

Good point. Now if you were an obese redneck, with a GED who could only attract overweight, ugly, war pigs back home; then why shouldn't you take advantage of your blue passport and go for someone who's younger and more attractive overseas? Go to anywhere in California and you'll routinely see overweight, 'ugly' WM holding hands with a beautiful Asian/FSU/Latin American girl whilst pushing a pram.

I agree it's pathetic, but you got to be a moron to sell yourself short.

Ha!  I had to look up that word 'pram'..(stroller).   Man, overall your comment was funny, and true! I didn't realize that I looked like such an idiot pushing that stroller uphill...I've taken to putting the big boy on my shoulders and letting him get a better view. 


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

This argument really doesn't make sense statistically.
All statistical data say that obesity rates are roughly equal for both men and women in the US (let's say 35%).
 

Actually ML'S argument DOES make sense, there  probably is a line of suitors for young slim ladies in the states...sure some of the suitors are chubby, and some are slim also. 


Granted a lot of guys are probably being unrealistic in what they can should be able to attract (given their own possible shortcomings)....when some realize they aren't going to get what they believe they want... they start fishing in a different pond (overseas), where they have a better chance to get what they think they want...(whether they 'deserve' it or not).   


Fathertime!   

[ML]

This is the phrase that triggered my response. If you do include statistics, then if you are fairly slender, then you are "an equally fairly rare slender WM and have a long list of women interested in you."   The real competition should be as huge for you among women as it is for a slender WW among WM.

You are ignoring the fact that I admit that the WM who seeks a much younger, slender, and higher in quality on several variables woman IS NOT himself equal with respect to those variables.

I am not obese but should lose 10 pounds, have all my hair, have all my teeth, am nearly 6 foot tall, have several university degrees, have more money than I can reasonably spend, etc.

But I need a woman 15 or  more years younger than myself for purposes of sex and she must be slender, well educated, cultural, etc.

I can find women near my age who meet all the criteria except the slender and 15 years younger criteria.

The WW who is slender and 15 years younger than me are not interested in sex with me . . . at least not in the long run sense.

But I found tons of FSUW who met all my criteria.

[Lily]

Quote from: ML on Yesterday at 09:58:13 PM

For every quality FSUW there is a WW who is of equal quality.

The difference is, the specific WW you and I would be interested in (because she is equal to the FSUW whom we are interested in) is not interested in us.

The WW we would like to have will not accept us because of the age difference issue and because, since she is the fairly rare slender WW, she has a long list of suitors.

There were no 'statistics' in my comments.  You are trying to add something that wasn't there.

Yes, if expanded further, you and I agree about what is happening.

As you noted, previous posters state quality WW are not available.

You and I state that quality WW are available.

I stated that these quality WW do not want some of we WM because of age gaps and other issues.

You go further and state these quality WW may not want we WM  because of weight and other issues.

I completely agree there are many reasons why quality WW may not want a specific WM.

No big surprises there.

I like the way ML put it. Clear and concise 

As a Western resident and woman, I only cannot agree with one thing. Namely, that WW have a long list of suitors. I'd say there are some suitors, or a few suitors. But definitely not a list, and of course not a long one! 

[Faux Pas]

You responded to a post which he made to jone.  You are deliberately trying to provoke by inserting yourself into another's conversation.

Any post in any thread posted in public is open for comment and critique from anyone who reads it. This is a forum. It's what they do. Doing so isn't inserting ones self into the conversation but rather joining it. This is actually encouraged.

[AC]

Any post in any thread posted in public is open for comment and critique from anyone who reads it. This is a forum. It's what they do. Doing so isn't inserting ones self into the conversation but rather joining it. This is actually encouraged.

If you want the entire forum to be a religious debate that is.   

[lordtiberius]

Every relationship traces back to our relationship to the divine.  Culture comes from the word cult.

[AC]

Every relationship traces back to our relationship to the divine.  Culture comes from the word cult.

If you are saying that a couple should have the same religion and a similar outlook on how to observe this, I agree.

[jone]

Every relationship traces back to our relationship to the divine.  Culture comes from the word cult.

No, the origins of the word culture are from the word cultivate.  Meaning that civilization began when man began to cultivate and no longer roam, but to stay in one place. 

[Anotherkiwi]

Ha!  I had to look up that word 'pram'..(stroller).   Man, overall your comment was funny, and true! I didn't realize that I looked like such an idiot pushing that stroller uphill...I've taken to putting the big boy on my shoulders and letting him get a better view. 


Fathertime!

Wrong, Fathertime.  A pram (short for "perambulator") and a stroller, while they may have the same purpose, are dissimilar items, the main difference being that a stroller is a much lighter design and is collapsible to make it easy to transport.

[AC]

Wrong, Fathertime.  A pram (short for "perambulator") and a stroller, while they may have the same purpose, are dissimilar items, the main difference being that a stroller is a much lighter design and is collapsible to make it easy to transport.

Americans are not that precise or literate.

[Anotherkiwi]

Americans are not that precise or literate.

I've noticed!    That's also why they refer to themselves as "Americans," upsetting certain inhabitants of other countries, rather than finding a description which relates solely to their own country (although "United Statesians" would be a bit of a mouthful  ).  Funny, though, how individual states can manage it (New Yorker, Texan, Rhode Islander, etc.).

[fathertime]

Wrong, Fathertime.  A pram (short for "perambulator") and a stroller, while they may have the same purpose, are dissimilar items, the main difference being that a stroller is a much lighter design and is collapsible to make it easy to transport.

Thanks for the clarification..


Fathertime!   

[lordtiberius]

No, the origins of the word culture are from the word cultivate.  Meaning that civilization began when man began to cultivate and no longer roam, but to stay in one place.

Wrong again
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

[lordtiberius]

I've noticed!    That's also why they refer to themselves as "Americans," upsetting certain inhabitants of other countries, rather than finding a description which relates solely to their own country (although "United Statesians" would be a bite of a mouthful  ).  Funny, though, how individual states can manage it (New Yorker, Texan, Rhode Islander, etc.).

That's a bit pomy, doncha think?

[jone]

Wrong again
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

Lord Tiberius:

You stated that the word Culture originated from the word Cult, assigning it a religious overtone (hmm, I wonder why that sounds familiar?)

I stated that Culture originated from Cultivate - or based on both agriculture and the advancement of civilization. 

You then quoted:  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult and blatantly told me that I was wrong, and then proved yourself wrong, once again!

Which states:

cult:

[kuhlt]  Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers:
the physical fitness cult.
3.
the object of such devotion.
4.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.
Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6.
a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7.
the members of such a religion or sect.

HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD CULTURE!


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Here's MY Basis for my post, although I had already knew what culture was based on:

Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/, from Latin: cultura, lit. "cultivation"[1]) is a concept based on a term first used in classical antiquity by the Roman orator Cicero: "cultura animi" (cultivation of the soul). This non-agricultural use of the term "culture" re-appeared in modern Europe in the 17th century referring to the betterment or refinement of individuals, especially through education. During the 18th and 19th century it came to refer more frequently to the common reference points of whole peoples, and discussion of the term was often connected to national aspirations or ideals. Some scientists such as Edward Tylor used the term "culture" to refer to a universal human capacity.

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I rhetorically asked how you could post without understanding, but apparently the moderators found such an inquiry offensive.  So, I ask you directly:  Why did you erroneously post that Culture originated from the word Cult?  Was it to advance your religious monologue on this forum?  If so, your argument is specious as it misleads someone into thinking that culture is somehow derived from religion. 

Just in case you need the definition of specious:

spe·cious
ˈspēSHəs/Submit
adjective
superficially plausible, but actually wrong.
"a specious argument"
misleading in appearance, especially misleadingly attractive.

synonyms:   misleading, deceptive, false, fallacious, unsound, spurious, casuistic, sophistic
"specious reasoning"

[lordtiberius]

I am really not interested in arguing with you.  I made my point.  That you cannot acknowledge my point is not my problem.  I can't help you.  I am sorry.

[jone]

Lord Tiberius,

Your response is a cop out. 

Proved wrong (twice).  Is that how you made your point?  And then you say that you're not interested in arguing with me when three posts ago, you stated I was wrong and gave an erroneous definition? 

I don't want to take myself too seriously, so, you're off the hook.  Have a wonderful holiday with your new wife.

[lordtiberius]

Cool man thx.

[lordtiberius]

I am 41 years old.  I am really fat.  But it is not that hard to connect with Western Women who are 15 years younger or more for romantic purposes.  It can done.  People do it every day.  Cc3 gave the best advice on this subject.  He dated on both sides of the Atlantic.  IamZon married an American woman.  I think FT said he married a Columbian.  I cannot say one race is better than another.  I have biases and preferences and different background that led me to My Betsy.  Its working out.

Find what works for you.  Its all I am sayin'