Poroshenko claims Ukraine is now being offered weapons by NATO.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Friendly countries spying on each other happens. Smart people know this. Average people go into shock when discovering things and get upset since nobody in their government calls them to let them know what their country is doing. Germany listens in our phone calls and spies on friends too. Not the end of the world.


http://www.newsweek.com/germany-spied-turkey-eavesdropped-top-us-diplomats-media-reports-say-265213

Yeah, history tends to show the truth.  Smart people know this.  Average people tend to turn a blind eye to pass transgressions while eating up the typical media propaganda.

[lordtiberius]

And what would be an example of Russian "freedom" and "tolerance" for those in Russia who publicly express views against the official Russian policies?

Care to tell us that?   

[lordtiberius]

I'm not sure why you are trying to make light of the hypocrisy we see in the states by trying to compare it to Russia.  The US is supposedly the "Land of the Free". 


Russia has nothing to do with that.   Plenty can see through your deflection.





We are free to leave the US but now it requires a substantial fee in order to process the paperwork to renounce citizenship (increase of over 400%) plus you need to prove you are up to date on taxes otherwise you stay an American.  By the way, that fee continues to get bigger and bigger.  How is that for freedom?

[lordtiberius]

You're not very good at telling the whole truth, now are you:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

This is American lie.  No journalist kill in Russia.  Putin love everyone.

[GQBlues]

This, from the guy who claims to know more about the conflict in Ukraine than Ukrainians living there or with family members from there. 

 

As far as your response to the USA saving your Islands during WWII; I am not at all surprised.  People who cannot stand on their own two feet and need a Savior often later bite the hand that fed them, or in this case saved their life.  What is really fascinating is that you apparently chose the USA to be your permanent home, rather than the PI.   

That's it?!? I once again easily schooled your limited grasp of what you thought you knew. LOL! What dufus! I knew you were much too limited, I just didn't realize it was this empty.

[lordtiberius]

I will NEVER shut up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titushky

tell us how Obama is a monkey

[AC]

That's it?!? I once again easily schooled your limited grasp of what you thought you knew. LOL! What dufus! I knew you were much too limited, I just didn't realize it was this empty.

I feel your pain.  You're one of those rare individuals who can take simple truths and turn them into complex lies.  Occam's Razor must give you a migraine.

Take the downing of MH-17 for example;  the Russian terrorists operating in Ukraine took immediate credit for downing this aircraft on social media, and only took down their posts once they realized that it was a civilian aircraft and not a military one.

Then there's the overwhelming evidence, as presented by Stirlitz who lives in Odessa and speaks fluent Russian, that Russian language was never in any real way ever threatened in Ukraine.  We could have hundreds of thousands or even millions of Stirlitz's come on this forum, and you would still find a way to deny reality.  It's like that for confused zombies like you, isn't it?

And now there's the fact that your hero's, the pro-Russian separatists, have stooped to the level of ISIS and committed the brutality of beheading a Ukrainian prisoner.  You should be so proud of the side you are cheering on.

From the article linked above:


The parade

(LB.ua editor’s note: Oleh did not want to talk about the POWs’ parade in Donetsk. This is probably the hardest thing for him to recall. But he agreed to describe the events in brief).

This was terrible. Three of us, including myself, were taken to a parade on [August] 24. We were told: “Isn’t it your holiday? So we’re taking you to a parade.”

They lined us up behind the building, along with other prisoners. They raised their flags, with Cossacks, Vostok, Oplot battalions all present.

The video you saw on the Internet is bullshit. They didn’t show the most important thing there. They didn’t show that a man was beheaded. He was being forced to get down on his knees during the parade preparations. He refused. He was beheaded. Right in front of everyone. I don’t know who he was. And I don’t know who the executioner was, as he was wearing a mask. But after that, we all kneeled.

[Doll]

I Take the downing of MH-17 for example;  the Russian terrorists operating in Ukraine took immediate credit for downing this aircraft on social media, and only took down their posts once they realizes that it was a civilian aircraft and not a military one.

 

When and how?

[Boethius]

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

[Doll]

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

Listen, since when FB or VK has become the evidence?
Or better- youtube 

[missAmeno]

Listen, since when FB or VK has become the evidence?
Or better- youtube 

Since DNR and LNR decided to use it as their communication with masses  solution.

[Boethius]

missAmeno is correct.

Those are his official pages, and an official youtube account, where his minions posted each "victory" of the terrorists.  He claimed the shot down a plane. 

The SBU released conversations captured between terrorists when they went to the site of the crash, looking for the pilot.  They then discovered bodies of women and children, and started discussing how to disown their action.  I haven't linked those because they are from the SBU, so of course you won't believe them.

[lordtiberius]

[Doll]

Since DNR and LNR decided to use it as their communication with masses  solution.

Any social net account can be faked very easily.
Anybody can have any number of accounts there, post ANYTHING and use anybody's pictures.
If VK or any funny place could be "evidence" then why did they send hundrends of experts there?
Who are, by the way, are keeping their mouths shut.
 

[Boethius]

Except that, it was the same account as had been used by the terrorists in the past.  It was verified as authentic by experts, after its genuineness was questioned.  And, the posts, but not the account, disappeared once it was realized that a civilian aircraft had been downed.

[AC]

Except that, it was the same account as had been used by the terrorists in the past.  It was verified as authentic by experts, after its genuineness was questioned.  And, the posts, but not the account, disappeared once it was realized that a civilian aircraft had been downed.

Imagine that.  The smoke disappears but the gun is still sitting there.

[Doll]

Pleeeeeeeaseeeeee! Guys, don't be kids!
Youtube fakeds video had been made BEFORE it happened.
Any account can be hacked.

[Doll]

OMG!
While something that important happening, the experienced officer is posting in VK?
Do you really believe it?

[Boethius]

No, that is incorrect, Doll.  The youtube video was posted 6 hours after the crash.  youtube timestamps were always a day before they are posted.


http://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-mh17-video-timestamped-before-the-crash-and-other-timeline-issues.3988/


http://gist.github.com/klaufir/d1e694c064322a7fbc15


Since the conspiracy theories started spouting on this issue, youtube changed its date stamp, and it is now date stamped the same day as posted.  However, on the other forum, the poster who explained this tested the date stamp theory.  He uploaded a video, and linked it immediately after uploading.  His video was also date stamped 24 hours before uploading.

[Boethius]

OMG!
While something that important happening, the experienced officer is posting in VK?
Do you really believe it?

I doubt it was Strelkov personally posting.  The accounts are maintained by other terrorists who reported to him.

[lordtiberius]

Guns are starting to come into Ukraine and I couldn't be more happy with the news. 

Just for Doll and her fellow minions

http://rt.com/news/187688-nato-weapons-supply-ukraine/

Russia threatens to nuke Ukraine (again)
http://un.ua/eng/article/532670.html


I will say that President Obama has failed to respond to the challenge or even supply Ukraine (what a surprise.)

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/217613-pressure-grows-for-obama-to-arm-ukraine

From the Top Democrats in Congress

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who visited Ukraine earlier this month, said Poroshenko’s visit would be a “good opportunity” for Obama to change his long-held position that there is no military solution to the conflict between Kiev and Moscow.

“I hope that our president will make some kind of supportive announcement relative to training and equipping at that time,” said Levin. The senator has been pushing for weeks to arm Ukraine.

“The decision, ultimately, is going to be made the president, in any event,” he told The Hill.

Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said the U.S. should offer equipment to help that country’s ground forces, including as Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles.

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), who also visited Ukraine during the five-week August recess, said administration officials are “not only rethinking, they have rethought their policy,” and are opening the door to more military help.

And Nelson said that if Obama didn’t act, Congress would have to step up. He suggested lawmakers might offer an “additional appropriation” to aid Ukraine.

“Ukraine still needs to be front and center,” Nelson said.

But it seems the Rand Paul wing of the White House is prevailing on Doll's monkey.

spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden, in a statement to The Hill.

“We are proud to have already committed nearly $70 million [whoppty do], including items like body armor, communications equipment, meals ready-to-eat, and medical supplies,[no medevac helicopters such as the surplus Vietnam era Hueys] ” she added. “This assistance has and will help [maybe] the Ukrainians sustain operations by their security forces and border guards to respond to aggression.”

The US has billions of stockpiled weapons in places like the Sierra Army Depot and Davis Monthan Air Force Base, it can for the cost of freight send over to Ukraine RIGHT NOW.

But critics say economic sanctions against the Kremlin has been largely ineffective and that more must be done to help Ukraine’s military.

And those critics are correct.

And with the Rebels breaking the truce, there is NO REASON to delay the EU association agreement:

http://www.dw.de/ukraine-forces-and-rebels-swap-blame-as-clashes-threaten-ceasefire/a-17921252

Deputy Foreign Minister Danylo Lubkivsky submitted his resignation, saying: "(The delay) sends the wrong signal - to the aggressor, to our allies and, above all, to Ukrainian citizens."

Unless of course the Europeans are cowards

[Doll]

I doubt it was Strelkov personally posting.  The accounts are maintained by other terrorists who reported to him.

Sure, they all have an access to his personal profile (and password).
Ok, guys, you can post your amusing stories here- I am out.

[Boethius]

Doll, read the site.  It was established as a "rah rah" and inspiration for the terrorists. 

Poroshenko has a webpage on the president of Ukraine's official site.  Do you believe he maintains it personally?

[lordtiberius]

Doll, read the site.  It was established as a "rah rah" and inspiration for the terrorists. 

Poroshenko has a webpage on the president of Ukraine's official site.  Do you believe he maintains it personally?

You would love it Doll.

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

[Muzh]

Pleeeeeeeaseeeeee! Guys, don't be kids!
Youtube fakeds video had been made BEFORE it happened.
Any account can be hacked.

LMAO


Talking about hacking, how's this for hacking?


http://en.censor.net.ua/news/302511/they_cut_mans_head_off_because_he_refused_to_fell_to_his_knees_after_that_we_all_kneeled_prisoners_story