Svetlana Osipova, Saratov, Scam

[BillyB]

This same story has been told a million times:   

-  a lonely man not having much experience with women. 

-  believing agency hype about young FSUW liking foreign men. 

-  contacting a scam artist who had not been eliminated from the agency's profiles.

-  not researching this endeavor (e. g., not reading RWD).

-  being seduced by a young, sexy woman.   


However, this time there is a huge difference.  Usually the man is fleeced without receiving sex.  The woman does the apartment scam and taxi scam, takes him shopping at expensive stores,  asks for money for sick mother, etc.


Svelana is different.  Unlike most such scams, Svetlana actually jumps his body and gives him "wild sex."  She easily could have done the thugs and extortion trick after the first night, having his DNA specimens as evidence.  Why wait until the 6th night?



Okay, Ludmila, what is your explanation for her actually having sex on a repeated basis?
   

My guess is the disclosure of $8500 cash he brought to Russia. The wild sex tells me the woman is very experienced. Rembrandt may have even proposed to her if she didn't rob him. I think Ludmila is trying to say he should have known she was a loose woman instead of a family oriented woman so Rembrandt deserved some of what he got. If Rembrandt was more experienced with women, he should've dropped her earlier. Women like that give off lots of red flags.

[Ludmila]

Thanks to all those who will ignore me. It is not to you I'm trying to reach out to, but all those who are burdened with intellect. The overwhelming number of Russian ladies who used to post here have quit because it is a waist of time. There are only very few ladies here ( 2-3).What they share and opine about on their forum ( where I'm just a reader, not a member) about you  is something you won't handle. My opinion up the thread is just the most diplomatic way of putting all their thought on paper.
My husband is a genuine true conservative and a believer , the one for whom America's future  and its moral image isn't an empty sound, and who knows that America is sick. He is burdened with enough  intellect and is able to assess any given  situation,   actions or words,  judge people's behavior by actions, not by words. He is familiar with such words and word combinations as "propaganda", "masterminding the minds", "devide and rule",  " " in politics follow the money" etc, etc, etc.
I cannot care less what those who want to ignore me  think of me. I am aware of their  social background, the intellectual baggage ( waving to the Ivy League graduate, your diploma merits are only in your mind, and LIFE has already given you your true GRADES)   of the representatives of the  strata of society, who attack me,  other Russian ladies and Russians, in general. I do know what those haters of Russia feed their bodies and brains  with, what, as a consequence,  pills-- both in direct and indirect sense-- they take to have "correct" bodies and what pills they take to have "correct" minds  , how they spend their leisure time, what their interests are  and so on. So, I am leaving your "heaven" all to you to enjoy.
My husband and I, as well as all the people who prefer to make other choices in their lives, as well as thoughts, values  and   way of thinking, prefer not to waist our time reading, responding and casting pearls before you know who.
My post is for different sort of people : educated, thinking, aspiring to fill their lives with healthy thoughts, feelings and aspirations.
 

[AC]

You should stay and contribute more often.  The World would be a boring place if we were all exactly the same and had only the exact same opinions. 

[Ludmila]

Here is another song for those with the ability to think by legendary American all-time favorites"The Eagles":
 
"Frail Grasp On The Big Picture"

Well, ain't it a shame
That our short little memories
Never seem to learn
The message of history
We keep makin' the same mistakes
Over and over and over and over again
And then we wonder why
We're in the shape we're in

Good ol' boys down at the bar
Peanuts and politics
They think they know it all
They don't know much of nothing
Even if one of them was to read the newspaper
Cover-to-cover
That ain't what's going on
Journalism's dead and gone

Frail grasp on the big picture
Light fading and the fog is getting thicker
It's a frail grasp on the big picture
Dark ages

You my love-drunk friend
All that red wine and candlelight
Soulful conversations
That go on until the dawn
How many times can you tell your story?
How many hangovers can you endure
Just to get some snuggling done?
You're living in a hollow dream
You don't have the slightest notion
What long-term love is all about
All your romantic liasons
Don't deal with eternal questions like
Who left the cap off the freaking toothpaste?
Whose turn to take the garbage out?

Frail grasp on the big picture
You keep on rubbin' that, you're gonna get a blister
It's a frail grasp on the big picture
I've seen it all before

And we pray to our Lord
Who we know is American
He reigns from on high
He speaks to us through many men
And he shepherds his flock
We sing out and we praise His name
He supports us in war
He presides over football games
And the right will prevail
All our troubles shall be resolved
We have faith above all
Unless there's money or sex involved

Frail grasp on the big picture
Nobody's calling them for roughing up the kicker
It's a frail grasp on the big picture
Heaven help us

Frail grasp on the big picture
All waiting for that miracle elixir
Frail grasp on the big picture
I don't wonder anymore

Frail grasp on the big picture
Somebody says, "You brought her here so go ahead and kiss her
Frail grasp on the big picture

Frail grasp on the big picture
Light fading and the fog is getting thicker
It's a frail grasp on the big picture

Frail grasp on the big picture
Frail grasp on the big picture

 

[Ludmila]

And here is the song. Enjoy everything: the rythm, music and lyrics.
 

[Ludmila]

Folks ( with intellect), me thinks those guys called "The Eagles" wouldn't lack for words talking to Rembrandt and all those up this thread tearing their shirts trying to call  a spade a Swiss watch   

[Boethius]

The Eagles were not exactly supporters of the conservative values you seem to have embraced.  They were all drug addicts, and a number of them treated women badly. 


I loved the Eagles as a teen, and still like to listen to them.  But, my husband is not a fan.

[AC]

The Eagles were not exactly supporters of the conservative values you seem to have embraced.  They were all drug addicts, and a number of them treated women badly. 


I loved the Eagles as a teen, and still like to listen to them.  But, my husband is not a fan.

"Welcome to the Hotel California"  "stab it with their steely knives"

http://www.shmoop.com/hotel-california-eagles/meaning.html


 

[Ludmila]

 quo :The Eagles were not exactly supporters of the conservative values you seem to have embraced.  They were all drug addicts, and a number of them treated women badly. 
So were Mr Clinton and Mr Bush. But that was when they were young and unenlightened. Just tell me who ( of the known figures) in this country weren't.
Do you have to say anything ON THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION PER SE ?
AC, you may roll on the floor as long as you want. But it's high time you got up, it's the 21 century, it's time to walk upright.       

[Ade]

Cuckoo...

[Boethius]

Mr. Clinton was never a drug addict. 

Just tell me who ( of the known figures) in this country weren't.

Harold Bloom.  Noam Chomsky.  Francis Fukuyama.  Michael Walzer.  Richard Posner.

Do you have to say anything ON THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION PER SE ?

Whatever is posted is open for discussion. 

I made my point on the original post upthread.

I have plenty to say on the tangent here re homosexuality, but will pass for now.

[I/O]

disliking and being critical of Russia in some areas does not make you anti-Russian

Love and patriotism does not require an absence of criticism - unfortunately a concept lost on most Russians I've met or spoken to over the years.

[AC]

Mr. Clinton was never a drug addict. 

This depends on what your definition of a drug is.  Some might say that a sex addict is just as much of an addict as a drug addict.

[AC]

AC, you may roll on the floor as long as you want. But it's high time you got up, it's the 21 century, it's time to walk upright.     

Спасибо, дорогой друг.   

[Ludmila]

Quote : Harold Bloom.  Noam Chomsky.  Francis Fukuyama.  Michael Walzer.  Richard Posner.
WIKI THEM IF YOU'RE NOT BANNED THERE.  ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED ARE WELL KNOWN COMMUNISTS ACTIVE IN THE PAST ERA, WHO STARTED THE EROSION OF THIS COUNTRY.

[AC]

Harold Bloom.  Noam Chomsky.  Francis Fukuyama.  Michael Walzer.  Richard Posner.

(before our time these two come to mind)
Harry Truman.  Dwight Eisenhower. 

(in our lifetime)
Ronald Reagan.  George Bush Sr. 

[Boethius]

WIKI THEM IF YOU'RE NOT BANNED THERE.  ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED ARE WELL KNOWN COMMUNISTS ACTIVE IN THE PAST ERA, WHO STARTED THE EROSION OF THIS COUNTRY.

Why would I be banned at wikipedia?  Moreover, I don't need to "wiki" any of them.  I am aware of their backgrounds, because I read books, rather than relying on wikipedia as my font of information.

None of them are former commies.  Some are leftist, but that is not a crime.

You, OTOH, were a party or komsomol member, were you not? 

It is amusing to me how so many "highly qualified professionals" from the FSU, who could only have achieved that education with a party/komsomol card, became committed conservatives/robber baron capitalists on the USSR's collapse.  They just traded one form of slavery for another.


You left Moscow, but you still retain a sovok mindset.

[AC]

It is amusing to me how so many "highly qualified professionals", from the FSU, who could only have achieved that education with a party/komsomol card, became committed conservatives/robber baron capitalists on the USSR's collapse.  They just traded one form of slavery for another.

That's a huge stretch.  Former party members from the Soviet Union have common values with Conservatives?

Not a chance!  Starting with freedom of speech (the current group of "liberals" are not even remotely liberal -- they try to squash freedom of speech with a forced PC mindset)

to gun control (Nazi's and Soviets alike loved gun control, as does Obama and others looking for absolute power of the State)

to control over our healthcare (the ACA is not affordable at all, it's just another way for the Federal government to try to control the most intimate decision of our life -- which is who our Doctor will be and various other aspects of our healthcare)

No, the slavery you mention would be the slavery to a Centralized government, and that would be a "Liberal" value.

[Boethius]

No, it isn't a stretch.  I have witnessed it, time and again.

[AC]

No, it isn't a stretch.  I have witnessed it, time and again.

I am not implying it's a stretch that they might switch from the slavery they felt to the Soviet Union to one of being free and therefore becoming a Conservative.

I am saying that it's your "Liberal" "Socialist" "Progressive" Party which has a lot in common with the communism of the Soviet Union, and really nothing in common with the Republican Party.


PS.  Abe Lincoln was a member of the "GOP" (Republicans) and it was southern Democrats who refused to end slavery  (there's your answer).

[Rembrandt]

Thanks to all those who will ignore me. It is not to you I'm trying to reach out to, but all those who are burdened with intellect. The overwhelming number of Russian ladies who used to post here have quit because it is a waist of time. There are only very few ladies here ( 2-3).What they share and opine about on their forum ( where I'm just a reader, not a member) about you  is something you won't handle. My opinion up the thread is just the most diplomatic way of putting all their thought on paper.
My husband is a genuine true conservative and a believer , the one for whom America's future  and its moral image isn't an empty sound, and who knows that America is sick. He is burdened with enough  intellect and is able to assess any given  situation,   actions or words,  judge people's behavior by actions, not by words. He is familiar with such words and word combinations as "propaganda", "masterminding the minds", "devide and rule",  " " in politics follow the money" etc, etc, etc.
I cannot care less what those who want to ignore me  think of me. I am aware of their  social background, the intellectual baggage ( waving to the Ivy League graduate, your diploma merits are only in your mind, and LIFE has already given you your true GRADES)   of the representatives of the  strata of society, who attack me,  other Russian ladies and Russians, in general. I do know what those haters of Russia feed their bodies and brains  with, what, as a consequence,  pills-- both in direct and indirect sense-- they take to have "correct" bodies and what pills they take to have "correct" minds  , how they spend their leisure time, what their interests are  and so on. So, I am leaving your "heaven" all to you to enjoy.
My husband and I, as well as all the people who prefer to make other choices in their lives, as well as thoughts, values  and   way of thinking, prefer not to waist our time reading, responding and casting pearls before you know who.
My post is for different sort of people : educated, thinking, aspiring to fill their lives with healthy thoughts, feelings and aspirations.

The syntax of your sentences are all wrong, rendering what you are trying to say incoherent. I think you are trying to insult me, but the pseudo-intellectualism is over-whelming.

If you're going to migrate and live in America, at least do yourself the dignity of learning the language, and spare other people their sanity so they can understand what you're saying.

I'm sure you guys have realised by now the futility of arguing with her. She's either a dunce, stubborn or both. Let it die, she thinks Chomsky, Fukyama etc., were/are communist. I realised there's no hope for her after reading that sentence. She's cracked.

[I/O]

a dunce

She's cracked

Looks like we've Aussified you already.

[AC]

The syntax of your sentences are all wrong, rendering what you are trying to say incoherent. I think you are trying to insult me, but the pseudo-intellectualism is over-whelming.

If you're going to migrate and live in America, at least do yourself the dignity of learning the language, and spare other people their sanity so they can understand what you're saying.

I'm sure you guys have realised by now the futility of arguing with her. She's either a dunce, stubborn or both. Let it die, she thinks Chomsky, Fukyama etc., were/are communist. I realised there's no hope for her after reading that sentence. She's cracked.

First of all I guess you can blame it on me.  Secondly this may surprise you, however:

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
Noam Chomsky



PS.  Bloom and Fukuyama Communists?  Yeah I'm scratching my head on that one.  I haven't looked at all of them yet.

[AC]

Quote : Harold Bloom.  Noam Chomsky.  Francis Fukuyama.  Michael Walzer.  Richard Posner.
WIKI THEM IF YOU'RE NOT BANNED THERE.  ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED ARE WELL KNOWN COMMUNISTS ACTIVE IN THE PAST ERA, WHO STARTED THE EROSION OF THIS COUNTRY.

With all due respect I've looked at the biography of each of these men briefly, and I don't think it's accurate at all to refer to any of them as Communists.  Did you perhaps mistake some or all of them for somebody else?

Harold Bloom, Francis Fukuyama and Richard Posner all were originally looked at as being Conservatives.  Richard Posner was appointed by none other than Ronald Reagan to the bench.

I realize that various people have differing definitions of "Conservative" and that all of these have apparently distanced themselves from the label -- but Communist?  Wow.

[Boethius]

Richard Posner can in no way be viewed as a communist, let alone a leftist.  He advocated a very right wing concept, known as "wealth maximization".

http://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1934&context=vulr

Harold Bloom is on record as voting for Obama, but that hardly makes him a communist.

Fukuyama is sometimes considered a neoconservative, though I am not certain that is an accurate description.  However, he leans to the right, rather than the left, on the political spectrum.

Michael Walzer leans left, but rejects labels applied to him.

Noam Chomsky is to the left on the political spectrum, but he is not a communist.

The labelling of someone as a "communist" is, in any event, lazy and unintellectual.  It may be viewed as an insult in America, but in most of the world, it is not such a big deal.  The best professors I ever studied with were Marxists.