Four Year Wonders Got Married: Ochka and ML

[krimster2]

my wife puts a bag over my head, and then glues on a picture of Brad Pitt
and then puts another bag underneath it, in case the Brad Pitt Bag breaks

she says it feels the same as Brad Pitt would feel

when yur moosh croaks of old age
the latino pool boy will comfort you

a middle aged Russian woman with a lot of money
could move to Costa Rica and have a couple of latin studs at her disposal very easily

[olgac]

And about the organization with mostly men - great idea! I used to do rock climbing at her age and younger! Will tell her for sure!

I have a rich Russian friend my age she is very beautiful and expensive looking! I might post photos in a bit. Was married for 25 years to a very rich American gave him sons but he divorced her 2 years ago probably for an even younger model.

She is dating now and lots of young studs write to her. She is rejecting them

[Trenchcoat]

She has that desire for money look in her eyes

[olgac]

She has that desire for money look in her eyes

Do You think she looks too high maintenance? I am suggesting changing pictures
And she doesnt need a man with money she already has lots of money from her ex

how about this one?

She is looking for a man 55-65
She is my age: 54

[Trenchcoat]

Do You think she looks too high maintenance? I am suggesting changing pictures
And she doesnt need a man with money she already has lots of money from her ex

how about this one?

She is looking for a man 55-65
She is my age: 54

That one is more down to earth. The other ones are more classic dating photos. I think she is quite attractive still for her age.

Possibly the classic dating photos might make the guy wonder if she is after a guy with money. Some women are all about status & money regardless of how wealthy they already are. I don't know your friend she might not be after that for all I know she could be a down to earth decent and genuine woman with good character traits who isn't bothered about money. I guess I was kind of joking in the comment above. That's the problem with photos that it can only sometimes tell you so much.

I think for both of your friends it could be a case of who they are more comfortable with, who they fit with, and who they get along with and are into.

In theory dressing pretty much how we usually are (ok for new threads if they are similar to old ones just more newer looking) could be the way to attract someone like us more easily. However, those photos will likely attract less people so potentially making the search longer.

I still think your friend Lena should look San Francisco/Silicon Valley way, computer geeks tend to go very much with computer geeks even if they have other hobbies as well. Your friend above it depends what she is into, if she's at home at a Country Club then go there, if not then go to where she does feel at home.

I think the worst thing can sometimes be photos that are a bit misleading, they can kind of waste time by bringing people up that aren't suited for each other. The sexy short black dress & black tights will likely have a lot of appeal as guys think, 'Ooo... Sexy!!!' So will certainly get many guys up but if she doesn't like wearing that stuff then they could end up disappointed meeting a girl who isn't what they thought she would be.

It still makes me laugh the Ukrainian girl I was communicating with on Fdate just before the war began, she had a nice dress photo in a photo studio then confided in me afterwards that she never really wears dresses lol just jeans  A shame as I really wanted a girl who wears dresses, so a deceptive mismatch really. I think while clothes are clothes and their is the personality too I also think that clothes are an expression of that personality and so it's best that we stay reasonably true to that as possible.

[olgac]

Thank You!
My older friend, Irina, is not looking for a rich guy. She has a job and she was married for 25 years to a very rich guy and got half in a divorce.
And I agree people should not misrepresent themselves in dating profile, but in her case I guess she does have a rich life, which she wouldn't need
a man to provide at all, and she should try to tone it down in her dating profile

[Trenchcoat]

Thank You!
My older friend, Irina, is not looking for a rich guy. She has a job and she was married for 25 years to a very rich guy and got half in a divorce.
And I agree people should not misrepresent themselves in dating profile, but in her case I guess she does have a rich life, which she wouldn't need
a man to provide at all, and she should try to tone it down in her dating profile

Depends, she doesn't need a man to provide for her or is after a particularly wealthy guy, but who does she fit with? It may be that she fits in with the fairly wealthy crowd as that may be who she has come to associate with more. So while she doesn't need them for their wealth possibly she just fits in with that crowd more. Does she normally dress as in the original photos you put up or the later photo?

Would she prefer a man who often dresses in a suit or at least a shirt or a man who is at ease dressing casually?

[krimster2]

demographics work against yur older friend
way more 50ish women then 50-65 yr old men

middle aged Russian women are "prickly" and not easy to get along with
men who understand this are VERY WARY of older Russian women

i'd imagine these kind of relationships are less centered on sex
so having common interests would be more important to this relationship
Russian women will hope yur interests are home repair, making money, cleaning, shopping, and doing whatever she tells ya to do!!!!!

in exchange for being incessantly nagged about everything that makes her unhappy
oh joy!!!  aren't you mr lucky!!!

IMHO, the ultimate is to have a mistress you keep in a separate residence
and go visit her whenever the urge strikes you and then come back home, when you've had enuff of her nagging...

how else ya gonna deal with women?
stronger measures are illegal, look at OJ!!!

[ML]

Would she prefer a man who often dresses in a suit or at least a shirt or a man who is at ease dressing casually?

Maybe she prefers man with no shirt.

[olgac]

Depends, she doesn't need a man to provide for her or is after a particularly wealthy guy, but who does she fit with? It may be that she fits in with the fairly wealthy crowd as that may be who she has come to associate with more. So while she doesn't need them for their wealth possibly she just fits in with that crowd more. Does she normally dress as in the original photos you put up or the later photo?

Would she prefer a man who often dresses in a suit or at least a shirt or a man who is at ease dressing casually?

Yes You are right, she does usually dress very glamourous/fancy (i also posted some photos from our cruise in another topic)
So yeah she might now need a guy from her social circle

[olgac]

Maybe she prefers man with no shirt.

Yes so true!

[ML]

Thank You!
My older friend, Irina, is not looking for a rich guy. She has a job and she was married for 25 years to a very rich guy and got half in a divorce.
And I agree people should not misrepresent themselves in dating profile, but in her case I guess she does have a rich life, which she wouldn't need
a man to provide at all, and she should try to tone it down in her dating profile

I am thinking it might be a good idea to put a statement in her profile along the lines of:

"I am not looking for a man to support me as I have my own money."

Then, of course, she will have to screen out a lot of men who are looking for her to support them.  But better to get a lot of responses, rather than scare off many men who would be worried that with her looks and dress style, she would be looking for a wealthy sponsor.

However I still think her best bet is to go the Country Club route and other such where she brushes elbows with well-to-do and cultured men, even as she doesn't need their money.

Go to art galleries, all the classical music, opera and ballet she can stand, all charity and benefit events, etc.
Excellent idea would be to volunteer at gift shops at hospitals.  Then during breaks walk along halls where Dr offices are, especially break rooms, lunch rooms, etc.

[olgac]

in exchange for being incessantly nagged about everything that makes her unhappy
oh joy!!!  aren't you mr lucky!!!

in russian this is called "выносить мужчине мозг" and my older friend is not like that at all. Yes middle aged FSUW are very opinionated usually
but not if they have lived in US for 20+ years

[olgac]

I am thinking it might be a good idea to put a statement in her profile along the lines of:

"I am not looking for a man to support me as I have my own money."

Her profile does say something like that. She says she has everything she needs in life and just needs someone to share this with.
And as a result mostly young "bimbo" men are writing her now

However I still think her best bet is to go the Country Club route and other such where she brushes elbows with well-to-do and cultured men, even as she doesn't need their money.

Go to art galleries, all the classical music, opera and ballet she can stand, all charity and benefit events, etc.
Excellent idea would be to volunteer at gift shops at hospitals.  Then during breaks walk along halls where Dr offices are, especially break rooms, lunch rooms, etc.

Good idea and yes she should get into golfing!

[ML]

I had thought that the new female Presiden of Mexico (Claudia Sheinbaum) was Sephardic Jewish because I presumed her ancestors came to Mexico from Spain as is quite common.

But just based on the name 'Sheinbaum,' Olga identified her as Ashkenazi Jewish.

AI confirmed that I was wrong and that Olga was correct:

"Claudia Sheinbaum’s Jewish heritage is Ashkenazi, not Sephardic. Her grandparents immigrated to Mexico from Lithuania and Bulgaria, countries typically associated with Ashkenazi Jewish heritage rather than Sephardic. Her background is an important historical aspect, as she is Mexico's first Jewish president, in addition to being the first woman elected to the role."

[olgac]

Yes there are quite a few Jews from former Russian empire in Mexico and Latin America they ran away from Pogroms in yearly 1900s and other Eastern European Jews as well

Usually the last names are German derivatives, but also sometimes Polish-sounding last name

oh wait we were both correct! She is half Ashkenazi and Half Sephardic, the Ashkenazi last name is form her father's side!

This makes sense as she looks as little darker complexion that Ashkenazi!

Her paternal Ashkenazi grandparents emigrated from Lithuania to Mexico City in the 1920s. Her maternal Sephardic grandparents emigrated there from Sofia, Bulgaria, in the early 1940s to escape the Holocaust.

Looks like she is from a family of scientists as both her mom and dad are scientists

[Bee Farmer]

BTW 150K is by no means wealthy at all! Any engineer will make this much with programmwers with few years of experience usually making over 200K even if they work for regular companies not high flyers with huge stock grants.

$150K a year is the high end of what is considered upper middle class income.  By most standards, this is considered rich.

Less than 2% earn $400K a year.  This girl is not in the top 2% of beauty, so she is delusional if she is looking for a man with a $400K income.  Her level of looks is what I would expect to see in the wife of a man earning $75K.  I don't want to seem harsh, but she has an appetite for filet mignon, but a hamburger budget.  And it sounds like she is beginning to realize that her expectations are not realistic.  What does she bring to the table?  What does she offer a man in exchange for a $400K lifestyle?  (Answer: Nothing, other than sex.  A girl who is specifically looking for a man with a $400K income is not relationship material.  She is a prostitute looking for a business transaction.)

If the girl really does want a $400K lifestyle, I would suggest that she starts doing an OnlyFans.

Also, do NOT use photos with the black dress in a dating profile.  Black may look great in real life, but does not give a good photo.  It hides shadows, and doesn't flatter a figure.

If I remember right, I think it was Elena's Models who years ago, had a list of tips for women in creating an appealing dating profile.  Not wearing black was one of the tips.  She also brought up a very good point by asking girls what their best physical feature was, and then to use photos that flattered that feature.  Men on dating profiles are looking for sex appeal.  (Women are notorious for wanting to use pics showing them do activities which show the girl's personality in dating profiles...and those pics have zero appeal to men.)

If the girl really wants to find a high tech silicon valley geek, she needs to go where those men are...playing online video games.  But this is also where many 35 year old men who live in their mother's basements hang out.  When she finds a guy online paying video games, throw herself at them.  Many geeky guys don't know when a girl likes them and won't respond to subtle hints.

[Bee Farmer]

Her profile does say something like that. She says she has everything she needs in life and just needs someone to share this with.
And as a result mostly young "bimbo" men are writing her now

What does she offer (that men want) other than sex?  When the only thing a woman has to offer is sex, then why is she surprised the only men interested in her are men who are just looking for sex?

[olgac]

Thanks very good advice! And I think eventually she will just find a guy with same salary as hers (which isn't low btw but less than 100K) and they will both work and buy a house together

[olgac]

What does she offer (that men want) other than sex?  When the only thing a woman has to offer is sex, then why is she surprised the only men interested in her are men who are just looking for sex?

She is independently rich

[Bee Farmer]

What does she have to offer THAT MEN WANT or care about?

Men do NOT care if a woman is independently rich, and are often turned off by independently rich women.  (Men would not be looking to leverage financial disparity by looking for women in poorer countries if they wanted a woman with financial wealth.)  Men like youth, beauty, and a pleasant personality. 

Financial status is something women care about.

Since she is divorced, if she remarries, there is a 67% chance of divorce again.  Those are horrible odds.  Women marry across and up in socioeconomic status...which means she is looking for a man with similar or greater wealth.  What does she have to offer a man to get him to take a 67% chance of losing significant financial assets?  Answer: nothing.  Sher is all risk, and low reward.  This is why she is attracting young guys - they don't have anything to lose.  She is at the point in life that the only thing she can offer is sex...she is not relationship material.  She may be able to find a guy to have casual sex with, but it is very unlikely that a man would ever have a serious relationship with her or consider marriage.  She may have to decide if she wants to remain alone the rest of her life, or have casual relationships with low value guys just to have a guy around.

[olgac]

Question: what do divorced women in their 40s have to offer other than sex?
According to You nobody would ever marry them, yet about 75% of FSUW I know who married Americans in their 20s and 30s
got divorced within first 10-15 years nd are all re-married. Most of them got married to a man close to their age and
with good income. I was volunteering teaching to drive a Ukranian refugee who was 41. She had a 10 yer old son.
She is now married to an american guy who is her age, good looking and owns a house.
Sorry but You have a warped view of the world which has nothing to do with reality.

And men ARE often interested in how much woman makes, my husband of 24 years (plus 2 years dating before)
is one of these men. He was always looking for a woman who makes at least as much as he does exactly to protect
himself in case of a divorce. Guess what: if she makes the same or even more - You lose nothing inn a divorce.

Oh yeah I was also divorced when I met my husband my first marriage was an early one (I was 20) no kids from the first.

So please speak for Yourself

[Bee Farmer]

I work for a large tech company.  Just about everyone earns 6 figures, and some guys earn several hundred thousand a year.  I have observed something quite interesting.  The married men got married long before they started earning extremely high salaries.  The unmarried men typically have no interest in getting married - they may have girlfriends, but little interest in getting married.  If a girl wants to marry a guy who earns $400K, I would suggest that she marries a man earning a far lower salary, and wait several years for his income to go up.

I do know one guy who recently got married.  He probably earns $110K-$120K.  His wife's name is Raven, and he refers to her as "she."  But the guy has colorful glasses and kitty cat earrings and I think I have seen him wearing fingernail polish.

[olgac]

Guess what I worked for Microsoft, Google, Apple, Uber, Roblox, I went through 3 different IPOs. I know a thing or too as well.
In all these companies me and my peers earned at least 350-550K LOL
I am friends with a lot of these men, some I know for 10+ years. I know what they want and whom they married

[Bee Farmer]

Question: what do divorced women in their 40s have to offer other than sex?
According to You nobody would ever marry them, yet about 75% of FSUW I know who married Americans in their 20s and 30s
got divorced within first 10-15 years nd are all re-married. Most of them got married to a man close to their age and
with good income. I was volunteering teaching to drive a Ukranian refugee who was 41. She had a 10 yer old son.
She is now married to an american guy who is her age, good looking and owns a house.
Sorry but You have a warped view of the world which has nothing to do with reality.

If they are divorced and remarry, there is statistically a 67% chance of divorce.  Do divorced people ever remarry?  Yes.  But it seldom ends well.  67% of the time, it ends in divorce.  (But there's still a 33% chance of it working.)  The odds of winning the lottery aren't good either, but there's still lots of stupid fools who play the lottery thinking that sooner or later, they are going to win big.

Do I think men should marry a divorced woman?  No.  I think it is very, very stupid, and reeks of desperation.  But like PT Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."  But I also believe that marriage is for life, and I don't believe divorce is acceptable. 

And men ARE often interested in how much woman makes, my husband of 24 years (plus 2 years dating before)
is one of these men. He was always looking for a woman who makes at least as much as he does exactly to protect
himself in case of a divorce. Guess what: if she makes the same or even more - You lose nothing inn a divorce.

So he went into marriage planning for divorce.  That doesn't sound like a good relationship to me. 
Actually, a man can lose in a divorce even if his wife earns more.  Actually, both lose in a divorce.

There are exceptions, but when viewed in aggregate, men don't care about a woman's financial situation.  Women do care about a man's financial situation, because she wants a man who can provide not only for her, but for her future unborn children.  A woman who earns more than her husband can not trust him to provide for her and her future children.  And it doesn't sound like a good relationship when there isn't trust.