It has begun

[SlowCooker]

Slowcooker,

It's easier if you just understand the mind of a woman.  It is an easy thing, really.  No, really, No.  Really!

Yeah, I'll do that.  Thanks!

[Patagonie]

Good luck SlowCooker, may the force be with you.

The only thing I can add to the thread that hasn't already been said, is to not get deterred or upset when you have seemed to establish a rapport with a girl, and she suddenly stops communicating with you. Most girls are corresponding with a a few guys that they like, and usually it's the first guy who packs his bags and plans for a trip oversea's that has the biggest chance of winning them over. (Granted the lady is genuine and not a scammer.)

Happened with a girl I was communicating with from Donetsk, all of a sudden she stopped sending me emails and messages on viber, several months later I see a testimony of her with some New Zealand guy on the dating website.

It is why guys need to keep writing even if they focus on one lady. They also play their own cards plus locals ones. But the guy who packs and go has a huge advantage, just a plane in advance.

[SlowCooker]

Damn it, one of the correspondents just sent a message word-for-word identical to a previous one in our thread; an obvious cut-and-paste.  I guess Boris slipped up.  Maybe he's doing some last-minute New Year's gift shopping on another screen and not really paying attention like he should.  At least it only took a week.

[Shadow]

Damn it, one of the correspondents just sent a message word-for-word identical to a previous one in our thread; an obvious cut-and-paste.  I guess Boris slipped up.  Maybe he's doing some last-minute New Year's gift shopping on another screen and not really paying attention like he should.  At least it only took a week.

From your earlier post about touching subjects I already suspected this, which I why I pointed out not to expect long letters. Do not worry, it is all part of the game.

[SlowCooker]

From your earlier post about touching subjects I already suspected this, which I why I pointed out not to expect long letters. Do not worry, it is all part of the game.

Thanks for the encouragement, Shadow.  Yes, it is to be expected.  There are still two who are answering my questions with thoughtful responses, and I am still doing searches looking for more candidates.  My morale is good.

[Shadow]

Thanks for the encouragement, Shadow.  Yes, it is to be expected.  There are still two who are answering my questions with thoughtful responses, and I am still doing searches looking for more candidates.  My morale is good.

One of the more succesful ways to separate the women from Boris quickly was to ask specific questions hat are not general in nature. If you write a woman based on het profile, ask something about her pictures. If there has been already some correspondence seek some information about her city and find something to ask.
Not only will it make you stand out for the women wh oare used to generic topics, but it will also ensure that Boris (who has no time to actually write letters) either shows by not adressing the questions or stops responding at all.

[Muzh]

Heya Slowcooker and 


Here's a few questions for you.


Do you enjoy camping?


Can you get a great deal in a car if you deal with a used car salesman?


Do you look younger than you are?


What's your opinion of the feminazi movement in the US?


Do you ask "What is that" when someone offers you a dish you've never seen before?


Who won WWII?




Just curious.


P.S. Ever been to Kansas?

[fathertime]

. The best thing you can do is get your visa, pack your bags and fly off to meet her. Theories and anecdotes about FSU women have their place, but action takes precedence.
 

Hi Slowcooker,
I agree with this 4-square.  If it were me, I'd prepare myself rather quickly, have a few contacts and hit the ground, but not everybody is like that.  Some men would rather have something more sure lined up.   You probably know which type of guy you are.  If you are that type of guy that likes to have a 'steady' then throwing your line out to as many ladies as you reasonably can and see what you catch online might be the way to go.   Regardless, I feel jumping into this adventure with both feet is the way to make it happen...imo...You get a better perspective on what questions to ask, and areas to focus or improve on going forward, by getting some real experience on the ground.


Fathertime!   

[SlowCooker]

Another one bites the dust.  Was asked for an email address so that it would be "more convenient to stay in contact" over the coming holidays.  To that address I just received an invitation from that candidate to join uadreams.com.  That's a site with a bad reputation here at RWD, in addition to being a misuse of my email address.

I'm posting this for educational purposes.  Maybe it's just my own experience here, but I've seen more blow-by-blow accounts of trips and meetings, procedures with bride agencies, and immigration procedures than with the very initial contact and screening process on one of the recommended websites.  I've seen some postings complaining of, or questions regarding, potential scammers or prodaters, but not so much about how they got into contact.  That's what I can provide, as it turns out.

In my case, the ones with suspicious behavior contacted me very soon after I joined.  They were slightly younger than the age range I stipulated, and their profiles contained a couple of inconsistent entries.  They were profiles of professional women from smaller cities, which I know from other experience is a situation that can lead to some surprisingly single ladies - bright girl studies hard at school and doesn't have a serious social life, has career ambitions and focuses on the good job(s) she has obtained for a few years until she notices that all the likewise professional, ambitious men (fewer and fewer to begin with, as women have started to outpace men in university attendance) have already paired up.  So I figured, why not, it could be, respond.

So to date, of the ones I had some sort of sustained correspondence with, there was one that repeated some cut & paste of description of her personal life (and hasn't responded since I pointed that out), and another that asked for my email and routed it to another (suspect) type of contact website, which I decline to pursue.  I'm not going to do any rigorous statistical study, or record every activity here, but I did want to hit the high points of this part of the process for the benefit of others who might be considering getting started.

[Shadow]

While it may happen, do not expect FSUW to contact you. You are the man, you are supposed to at least put some effort in the chase.

[AC]

Like I said, save your money and go to Hawaii or Cozumel.   

[RoboCop]

Another one bites the dust.  Was asked for an email address so that it would be "more convenient to stay in contact" over the coming holidays.  To that address I just received an invitation from that candidate to join uadreams.com.  That's a site with a bad reputation here at RWD, in addition to being a misuse of my email address.

I'm posting this for educational purposes.  Maybe it's just my own experience here, but I've seen more blow-by-blow accounts of trips and meetings, procedures with bride agencies, and immigration procedures than with the very initial contact and screening process on one of the recommended websites.  I've seen some postings complaining of, or questions regarding, potential scammers or prodaters, but not so much about how they got into contact.  That's what I can provide, as it turns out.

In my case, the ones with suspicious behavior contacted me very soon after I joined.  They were slightly younger than the age range I stipulated, and their profiles contained a couple of inconsistent entries.  They were profiles of professional women from smaller cities, which I know from other experience is a situation that can lead to some surprisingly single ladies - bright girl studies hard at school and doesn't have a serious social life, has career ambitions and focuses on the good job(s) she has obtained for a few years until she notices that all the likewise professional, ambitious men (fewer and fewer to begin with, as women have started to outpace men in university attendance) have already paired up.  So I figured, why not, it could be, respond.

So to date, of the ones I had some sort of sustained correspondence with, there was one that repeated some cut & paste of description of her personal life (and hasn't responded since I pointed that out), and another that asked for my email and routed it to another (suspect) type of contact website, which I decline to pursue.  I'm not going to do any rigorous statistical study, or record every activity here, but I did want to hit the high points of this part of the process for the benefit of others who might be considering getting started.

Don't worry SlowCooker, I reckon if you persevere and make an effort to hop on a plane - instead of being an online Romeo - this will one of the most rewarding things you will do.

I read on your other thread that you spent most of your life being a workaholic, and mised out a bit in the dating game. If I were you - and at your age - I'd take some time off for myself. Seriously, unless you're morbidly obese or have some type of nervous tick, you should start making plans as soon as you start getting decent replies from 3 - 4 girls. Aren't you getting tired of coming home to microwaved dinners and an empty house? I did and told Tamila abruptly that I'll be seeing her within a month. (I met three girls all up, one in Vladivostok, Tamila in Baku and a Ukrainian girl that looked nothing like what I saw in her photos and Skype conversations.)

Keep us up-to-date on your progress. I'm gunning for you SlowCooker, I want a Walt Disney happy ending for you!

[jone]

Don't worry SlowCooker, I reckon if you persevere and make an effort to hop on a plane - instead of being an online Romeo - this will one of the most rewarding things you will do.

I read on your other thread that you spent most of your life being a workaholic, and mised out a bit in the dating game. If I were you - and at your age - I'd take some time off for myself. Seriously, unless you're morbidly obese or have some type of nervous tick, you should start making plans as soon as you start getting decent replies from 3 - 4 girls. Aren't you getting tired of coming home to microwaved dinners and an empty house? I did and told Tamila abruptly that I'll be seeing her within a month. (I met three girls all up, one in Vladivostok, Tamila in Baku and a Ukrainian girl that looked nothing like what I saw in her photos and Skype conversations.)

Keep us up-to-date on your progress. I'm gunning for you SlowCooker, I want a Walt Disney happy ending for you!

Robocop,

What a great post.  I like this guy!!

[honestytruth]

Yes Uadreams has tons of bad feedback and negative online reputation why you ask, see yourself workers and translator confess teh hard honest truth about them, important for us all Worldwide, watch out fro the scams online, they are many:
http://www.facebook.com/Uadreamscom-scam-494723484038521/

[2tallbill]

Mr Honesty and Truth,

You don't need to put a link to your UAdreams facebook page on every post.
Nobody here thinks that pay by the letter agencies aren't bent. You've paid
a few dollars to tuition at the school of hard knocks and feel like you need to
go on a crusade.

My advice is that you spend that energy finding a wife who isn't a scammer.
This forum has all the information you would ever need to do just that.

Udachi!

Bill

[honestytruth]

Mr Honesty and Truth,

You don't need to put a link to your UAdreams facebook page on every post.
Nobody here thinks that pay by the letter agencies aren't bent. You've paid
a few dollars to tuition at the school of hard knocks and feel like you need to
go on a crusade.

My advice is that you spend that energy finding a wife who isn't a scammer.
This forum has all the information you would ever need to do just that.

Udachi!

Bill

Be blessed yes I agree with all you said, it is time consuming and take much effort.

The people at the forum is warned enough, true.

I think as victim with many thousends men Worldwide we all wanna warn all so no more people is getting scammed by Uadreams, and by the way the facts shwn in earlier post is much more warnings then just Uadreams, even that that is the main scam date or pay per letter translate fee scam.

In order to move on we see what happend on that part, got my heart broken really bad for many years in Uadreams scam site...

If I ever get over the girl I love in there I try to move on, but as victims we demand justice, and only way to stop Uadreams scam is to warn all people Worldwide so they loose customers.

Very hard to nail these scammers in any other way as they hide their money on Cyprus also, and is connected of course to Ukraine and Russia partly also I think and USA.

But yes good that all people in here is waken up about these types of date translation fee per letter scams agencies scams etc.

Yes thanks for advice I take you up on that, I will try to find good info here, to avoid the many types of date scams.

I do not think I can love a girl ever again. I only love a girl in Uadreams...

I finded her on VK.com with guy and status not singel after over 3 years talking with her on Uadreams, and spent much cash...

This or similair happends to many people and men Worldwide who got sucked into Uadreams sadly...

Well enough of this date scam crapp...

Be blessed and thanks friend. Thanks.

[Faux Pas]

Be blessed yes I agree with all you said, it is time consuming and take much effort.

The people at the forum is warned enough, true.

I think as victim with many thousends men Worldwide we all wanna warn all so no more people is getting scammed by Uadreams, and by the way the facts shwn in earlier post is much more warnings then just Uadreams, even that that is the main scam date or pay per letter translate fee scam.

In order to move on we see what happend on that part, got my heart broken really bad for many years in Uadreams scam site...

If I ever get over the girl I love in there I try to move on, but as victims we demand justice, and only way to stop Uadreams scam is to warn all people Worldwide so they loose customers.

Very hard to nail these scammers in any other way as they hide their money on Cyprus also, and is connected of course to Ukraine and Russia partly also I think and USA.

But yes good that all people in here is waken up about these types of date translation fee per letter scams agencies scams etc.

Yes thanks for advice I take you up on that, I will try to find good info here, to avoid the many types of date scams.

I do not think I can love a girl ever again. I only love a girl in Uadreams...

I finded her on VK.com with guy and status not singel after over 3 years talking with her on Uadreams, and spent much cash...

This or similair happends to many people and men Worldwide who got sucked into Uadreams sadly...

Well enough of this date scam crapp...

Be blessed and thanks friend. Thanks.

You can't save the world from uadreams. Likely you won't save even one unsuspecting soul but, that doesn't matter. Do you want to be the saviour or do you want a sincere woman with whom to have a relationship with?

You got burnt and most likely the driving force behind it was your head in the clouds and the dick in your pants much more than uadreams. If it wasn't them it would have been some other unscrupulous agency. TooTall has given you some sage advice. If it really is a woman you seek, you should follow it before you get banned from this site. There are volumes of information here that could have saved you your heart ache and money.

Get busy with your life and quit with the useless crusade. There have been hundreds of guys doing the same thing here before you. It's old hat for us and sympathy is in short supply. If you want help in finding a sincere woman, stick around. If you want to continue the "woe is me" campaign please, move along.

[oso]

Hello Honestyandtruth,

Maybe my reading and comprehension skills are poor......

My opinion in seeking revenge on a dating site is just wasted energy.....How can you move forward while trying to fix something behind you......you can't

In post #40....
You mentioned you got a broken heart ( which I do have compassion for ) and you are in love with internet girl ( if she is really a girl ) and trying to heal from that?   I have a question.....did you ever meet this "lady" in person? How can you "love" someone you have never met?

I am curious and not trying to bust your "chops" on this....It has sparked my interest

[2tallbill]

Shadow,

I have met many young and older women and men in Ukraine.  To my recollection, NONE of them lack a cell phone.

Even a 15 year old Siberian girl who lives in a mud hut and eats only whale blubber and
caribou has at least one cellphone but two or three is more likely. 

[ML]

I know of people in Ukraine who do not have a cell phone, and people who do not have Internet connection.

Most of this is by choice.

I also know of people in USA who do not have one or both, and again by choice.

Myself, I only have a cell phone for emergency purposes when away from home.  It is never turned on when I am home.  It is a clamshell flip phone.

The same applies to Ochka now.

And after my influence, Ochka now realizes how ridiculous it is to see many people walking around (and driving) with phones glued to their ear.

[2tallbill]

I do not think I can love a girl ever again. I only love a girl in Uadreams...

Be blessed and thanks friend. Thanks.

Honestytruth,

I have a few pieces of advice,

1. In my opinion the best way to get over one girl is in the arms of another.

2. I know it's difficult but try not to get too emotionally involved with a girl
until you meet in person. Keep a cautiously optimistic attitude, but wait
until you are face to face with a girl and have determined that she likes you
as much as you like her, only then open your heart.

3. Research and study here at the forum.
a. read the ten commandments section here http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0
Numbers 2,3,4,5 and 6 all would have saved you from the heartache that
you are now experiencing.
b. Read this thread http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
c. Read this E book here http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47
d. Read every trip report here is mine, this will help you learn what to expect.  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

4. Don't write a girl so long without going to see her.

5. The more FSUW that you meet the more able you will be able to determine
which girls are the serious good girls and which are not.

6. You might be a candidate for a visit many trip rather than a visit one.

If you have any questions feel free to start your own thread and ask them.
When you ask questions you will get all kinds of advice. Some of the advice
will be very good and some of it will be more dubious. Sift through the advice
and use what you think will help you, your situation and your personality, but
above all don't take anything personally here at the forum. Use the best advice
but lose the rest.

Udachi!

Bill

[2tallbill]

I know of people in Ukraine who do not have a cell phone, and people who do not have Internet connection.

I think if you polled single FSU girls looking for romance the percentage without
cellphones would all fit into a phone booth (if they can find a phone booth that is)

[Anotherkiwi]

I do not think I can love a girl ever again. I only love a girl in Uadreams...

I finded her on VK.com with guy and status not singel after over 3 years talking with her on Uadreams, and spent much cash...

I'll allow you a little bit of leeway, honestytruth, because English is obviously not your first language and maybe I'm missing something here, but I can't understand how you could possibly be talking to someone through a website for three years without visiting them?  If that's really the case, why were you surprised to find out at the end of that time that she had a boyfriend?  Did you actually see her to talk to independently (i.e. using Skype or another video-calling service), or was this just chatting through the website?

Would you yourself have waited for three years for a woman (not necessarily this one) to travel to meet you?

[honestytruth]

Thanks for all advices people. No I talked with her through live video chat mostly. What hurted is that I finded out she had boyfriend in real life the whole time we spoke on Uadreams mosty likely.

She were only on Uadreams to earn money as most girls are for letters and video chats, in other words to scam men.

I also were very close to go over there and meet her, but I am happy I did not meet her, it only would have costed me more money and so on.
The Uadreams agency would only have played me more its all controlled by the agency and interpreter or translator.

According to others getting personally contact details from Uadreams about the girl is impossible even after real face to face meeting.

I totally agree that one should not be emotionally involved before meeting the girl in real life.

However she did confirm it was her writing the messages on Uadreams, she told me on VK.
But she did not wanna speak more free om VK as she knew I seen her real love boyfriend there.

Thanks.

[Anotherkiwi]

Thanks for all advices people. No I talked with her through live video chat mostly.

...

I also were very close to go over there and meet her, but I am happy I did not meet her, it only would have costed me more money and so on..

No, it wouldn't have cost more.  Let's say that you spoke to her twice a week for an hour at a time (obviously this is just a guess), at $1 a minute.  Round it down for simplicity to $100 a week, so roughly $5,000 a year for three years is about $15,000 just for video chatting.  That doesn't include site registration fees or any other costs such as birthday or Christmas presents.

I don't know where you live, but even if it's New Zealand (where I am) you could comfortably have a two-week holiday in Russia or Ukraine, including air fares, for under $6,000.  Anywhere closer, and your travel costs drop considerably.  If you had gone to see this woman after even six months of chatting, you would have stopped spending on her immediately you met (if she had, in fact, turned up to meet you), and you would have got off the website straightaway, saving you around $12,000 in site costs.  Take away the cost of the trip, and you would still have been at least $6,000 better off - which you could use for your next trip to see someone much more worthwhile.

However she did confirm it was her writing the messages on Uadreams, she told me on VK.
But she did not wanna speak more free on VK as she knew I seen her real love boyfriend there.

Thanks.

Sorry for your (monetary) loss, but this one really saw you coming.    I don't in the least condone what she did, but surely even the most elementary checks must have raised some red flags for you.

At least you will know better if you stay in this hunt.