The New Look: Old Look to Anastasia Date

[jone]

About a year ago and a half ago, we had a "Director of Customer Service" throw his hat into the forum crowd and proclaim that Anastasia Date was changing.  He said that it would happen in Mykolaiv and progress to all of the small agencies cities across Ukraine and Russia. 

The objective of the change was to 'only let women on the network who were serious about finding mates' and to 'enter the mainstream online dating competition in the US'.

One promise that he made was that the women would no longer be the sugary sweet 19 and 20 year olds but women that were in their late twenties and early thirties that were NOT affiliated with local agencies.  Essentially, he said that ADate was cutting out the middle man and going straight to the women looking for foreign husbands.

Well, I guess someone forgot to tell ADate that the reason that most of the women sign up with those agencies is because the agencies are recruiting them and (most often) paying them.

I had a friend of mine tap into ADate recently and he asked me what I thought.  So I went back on the network for the first time in over a year to look for the intended changes.

Here is what I found:

1.  Sugary sweet 19 and 20 year old women as front liners - the women that are shown on the masthead and pop-ups.

2.  Reviewing the women that had most recently joined, I found that the great majority of them were in the 'under 25' category.

3.  Finally, I reviewed the offerings and it shows the same type of contests about who can get the most money from a guy - for prizes.

So, I guess, my foray into old familiar territory leads me to report that the old scam is still the best scam.  ADate hasn't changed since I was away.  Fancy that!

[Patagonie]

Nice information for newbies JOne, so many of them fall in love for such young women nowadays 

[RoboCop]

I can't believe the site is still in operation, despite all the bad reviews and reports written up about them, Anastasia Date continues to scam naive men of their hard earned cash.

I read that when a man gets scammed, many of them continue to dump money into the "relationship" in the hopes of somehow retrieving it somewhere down the line, and don't want to potentially lose the "girl."

When emotions and money are involved, it's hard to switch on the logical mind, cut your losses and leave.

I'm lucky my experience with scammers were minimal, the dating website I joined made a good effort in screening out scammers and deleting them after being reported, that being said I've read reports about guys meeting up with pro-daters, so no system is perfect.

Guys in general should just stay from pay-per-letter sites. There is no reason for a site to acts as a barrier of communication between yourself and the women, other than to charge you ludicrous amounts of money and swindle you.

[fathertime]

Anastasia is of course a joke....but I must say in 2005 they did put me in several rooms of 300+ women...quite a few were decent looking....but not many like the supermodel types on their website.   One thing is for sure, I wouldn't waste any money on that suspect correspondence through email.....Having boots on the ground is the way to go!




Fathertime!

[JayH]

My comments on AD, HRB.RLM,Dream marriage,Jump4 Love -- and many more like them are well aired.JonE/Barbossa,AJ/Jumper,Sahacat,myself-- made many posts of details of these sites.Many others chimed in with various details-- so anyone using these  sites would be well advised to read ALL those comments.
The sites are potential money pits . Even so-- I have a few more comments.

Given the total negativity of comments by some who only have a superficial knowledge of the sites I want to point out a few things relevant.

There are many pitfalls to negotiate on these sites--but--there are girls who are genuine in their desire to meet guys. Finding them and beating the system can be expensive--in $ and time. Getting past the agencies themselves is the key-- and not so easy.

If I put a number on what % are actually looking--my answer is  "it depends"!! I would say 50% of profiles are "doubtful" for one reason or another( covered in specific threads). The major point that guys MUST understand is this-- girls are not looking for just any guy-- so forget that.Many on the forums want to mock guys who come to the forums with inflated egos( internet egos)  who would have little appeal to a girl--guys must look in the mirror and understand this. If you have little appeal to girls in your local market-- it will probably be even more exaggerated in Ukraine( or fsu generally).
The most important point to understand is this-- girls are being paid(in one way or another) to be in contact-that is their prime motivation. Not all are paid--agencies literally fill them with bs eg-agency only makes money when a guy visits-- so a girl will see a visit as a way of paying her debt to an agency.
Despite all that-- it is possible to meet "genuine" girls through the most notorious sites.

[BillyB]

Finding them and beating the system can be expensive--in $ and time.

There's always a beating. Usually it's the customers that's receiving it.


 There are many places available for men to sign up and find love with much less risk.

[Shadow]

Remember that the men here are just a very tiny part of all who are looking towards the FSU.
Also remember that around 95% of themen involved do not proceed past the stage of spending a couple of $$$$ to a dream they will never realise.
We accuse agencies of being a scam, but we do not realise that they simply catch the money which is thrown at them.
Any agency that scrutinizes the men for being serious, honest and funded enough to successfully finish this endeavour will go out of business within a year, unless it charges high fees that repel most customers.

[iceshaft07]

I started out on Anastasiadate before I found RWD. But when I entered ADate, I was expecting scams. I knew from American dating website's that not all of the women I was receiving messages from were actually sending me messages. I'm not THAT popular ;-).

The best advice I've heard is to use your big head. That's exactly what I did. I found someone who didn't have sex ally suggesting photos, as well as someone who appeared to be wearing actual russian clothing.

I learned about the free alternatives later, but I kept talking with the person I met on ADate because she seemed real and actually answered questions.

Long story short, we dumped ADate for Facebook, skype and viber. I told her if we talked for a month, I'd book a flight to see her. I booked a flight 2 months after, so we talked for 3 months outside of ADate. I finally visited her over thanksgiving weekend, and we now have an i-129f in the process. She constantly looks out for me, and never asks for money.

I'm one of the lucky ones though. I was careful to begin with. Though I agree, going the free route is better.

From my understanding, ADATE didn't translate the messages I was sending her. She had to have a friend translate it for her, and back.

All I can really say is that there's good people on bad sites, and bad people on good sites.

(Sorry for typos, written on phone)

[RoboCop]

If you have little appeal to girls in your local market-- it will probably be even more exaggerated in Ukraine( or fsu generally).

I beg to differ. I've seen plenty of guys who have little to no appeal to girls in their local market, do decently in FSU. Of course there are usually other factors involved, like financial and the possibility of a better quality of life. But I don't know where you got this idea from. A lot of men resort to dating FSU women because they know they can find someone younger and more physically attractive than they can back home.

[Shadow]

I beg to differ. I've seen plenty of guys who have little to no appeal to girls in their local market, do decently in FSU. Of course there are usually other factors involved, like financial and the possibility of a better quality of life. But I don't know where you got this idea from. A lot of men resort to dating FSU women because they know they can find someone younger and more physically attractive than they can back home.

The question is what the appeal is. If the appeal is to be a good mule, they do reasonably well.

[CDW]

The most simplest way to avoid getting scammed is NOT to look for a relationship with a FSU woman, regardless how beautiful or genuine the woman is!

These FSU women are used to live in a hard way, and including not receiving gifts or any expensive items from 'local' men.  If they are expecting to receive such expensive gifts from you, then they love you for your $$£££$$$. 

Expensive restaurants, $500 bottle of wine, 17 inches Apple Mac computer with retina display, etc - NO GO!!!!!

You don't need to be romantic to go to an expensive restaurant in order to win her.  You need to be very creativity with your romance.  Watch romantic films - and you'll realise!!

[Faux Pas]

I started out on Anastasiadate before I found RWD. But when I entered ADate, I was expecting scams. I knew from American dating website's that not all of the women I was receiving messages from were actually sending me messages. I'm not THAT popular ;-).

The best advice I've heard is to use your big head. That's exactly what I did. I found someone who didn't have sex ally suggesting photos, as well as someone who appeared to be wearing actual russian clothing.

I learned about the free alternatives later, but I kept talking with the person I met on ADate because she seemed real and actually answered questions.

Long story short, we dumped ADate for Facebook, skype and viber. I told her if we talked for a month, I'd book a flight to see her. I booked a flight 2 months after, so we talked for 3 months outside of ADate. I finally visited her over thanksgiving weekend, and we now have an i-129f in the process. She constantly looks out for me, and never asks for money.

I'm one of the lucky ones though. I was careful to begin with. Though I agree, going the free route is better.

From my understanding, ADATE didn't translate the messages I was sending her. She had to have a friend translate it for her, and back.

All I can really say is that there's good people on bad sites, and bad people on good sites.

(Sorry for typos, written on phone)

Good for you. However, few guys that run through the meat grinder of ADate actually use that big head over the little one. Thus, they spend countless bucks and cry scam. The reality is spending money for attention on ADate or any other such site isn't a scam. They get what they pay for. It's more buyers remorse with no recourse 

[RoboCop]

The most simplest way to avoid getting scammed is NOT to look for a relationship with a FSU woman, regardless how beautiful or genuine the woman is!

These FSU women are used to live in a hard way, and including not receiving gifts or any expensive items from 'local' men.  If they are expecting to receive such expensive gifts from you, then they love you for your $$£££$$$. 

Expensive restaurants, $500 bottle of wine, 17 inches Apple Mac computer with retina display, etc - NO GO!!!!!

You don't need to be romantic to go to an expensive restaurant in order to win her.  You need to be very creativity with your romance.  Watch romantic films - and you'll realise!!

I agree. As soon as they start making reuqests for expensive gifts, run!

[JayH]

I beg to differ. I've seen plenty of guys who have little to no appeal to girls in their local market, do decently in FSU. Of course there are usually other factors involved, like financial and the possibility of a better quality of life. But I don't know where you got this idea from. A lot of men resort to dating FSU women because they know they can find someone younger and more physically attractive than they can back home.

In making generalisations without attempting possible exceptions it is easy to create dispute-- and I can say it many different ways-- try this one--- girls can be genuinely interested--IF it is the right guy--not just ANY guy!!

You quote "plenty of guys" with no local appeal--- how many do you know personally to make that statement?
My other big question--how many girls in the fsu have you personally met in real life meetings? Guys here hand out opinions based on a tiny sample over a very short period of time-- and you are perpetrating the myth of girls being desperate to leave.BTW--when were you last in the fsu and where?

[fathertime]

You quote "plenty of guys" with no local appeal--- how many do you know personally to make that statement?
My other big question--how many girls in the fsu have you personally met in real life meetings? Guys here hand out opinions based on a tiny sample over a very short period of time-- and you are perpetrating the myth of girls being desperate to leave.BTW--when were you last in the fsu and where?

All Rise..Judge JayH speaks again!   


Listen Robo, you can't dispute something JayH says without him questioning your credibility!  He does have around 10 years of experience in his fruitless search for Mrs Right, so maybe he is onto something regarding having no local appeal...he certainly appears to have experience being that guy! 


Fathertime!   

[RoboCop]

In making generalisations without attempting possible exceptions it is easy to create dispute-- and I can say it many different ways-- try this one--- girls can be genuinely interested--IF it is the right guy--not just ANY guy!!

You quote "plenty of guys" with no local appeal--- how many do you know personally to make that statement?
My other big question--how many girls in the fsu have you personally met in real life meetings? Guys here hand out opinions based on a tiny sample over a very short period of time-- and you are perpetrating the myth of girls being desperate to leave.BTW--when were you last in the fsu and where?

You're going to have to clarify what it is you are asking, but I will try to answer your question the best I can.

When I say "no appeal," I mean guys dating/marrying girls from the FSU whom wouldn't give them a second glance if they were here in the U.S.A.

I've met multiple men from my local meet-up group, that consist of international marriages. At the top of my head, I can think of 8 couples, where the guy is married to an FSU girl who many would say are "out of his league," whom I personally know. I'm willing to admit this isn't a substantial sample size to base my opinion on, so maybe my take on things is skewered. What I will say is based on a lot of testimonials and WM/FSU couples I've seen from photos throughout the world wide web, the girls in the eyes of many people whom I've shown the photos too, have commented that they are "out of his league."

If you're upset about perpetuating "myths" or stereotypes, then my retort is that these exists for a reason. People have seen enough occurences of these things happening for it to be formed. Of course everyone is different and should be treated so accordingly.

I was in Azerbaijan no more than 4 weeks ago, just before I started posting regularly on this forum.

Before I met my wife I spent 3 weeks in Vladivostok,  2 weeks in Kiev, and if you include the amount of time I've spent in Baku, it'll be close to 4 months. I also spent 2 weeks traveling around Central Asia with my wife, and have been to all of the Stans except Turkmenistan, but this was soley in the context of a tourist.

You obviously have reacted personally to an impersonal post, and that's something you need to deal with, not me.

If fathertime is right, and you've been unlucky for more than a decade or so, then it's understanable why you have reacted the way you did. The only thing I can do is sincerely wish you the best of luck, if you haven't found someone already. But I also wouldn't mind hearing about your experiences or take on the matter as to why you think I'm wrong. This is a forum afterall, with a plurarlity of ideas and other peoples' experiences. The only thing every single poster can offer, are opinions and ideas based on their personal experience, and that's what I did.

RoboCop

[AC]

Round one goes to RoboCop!  Bonus points to fathertime.

 

[AC]

I beg to differ. I've seen plenty of guys who have little to no appeal to girls in their local market, do decently in FSU. Of course there are usually other factors involved, like financial and the possibility of a better quality of life. But I don't know where you got this idea from. A lot of men resort to dating FSU women because they know they can find someone younger and more physically attractive than they can back home.

Heresy!  Are these guys truck drivers from Redneckistan?

 

[RoboCop]

Heresy!  Are these guys truck drivers from Redneckistan?

 

He's a truck driver whom I actually met once. Not a redneck though. Married to a Russian.

[JayH]

Round one goes to RoboCop!  Bonus points to fathertime.

 

If fathertime is right, and you've been unlucky for more than a decade or so, then it's understanable why you have reacted the way you did. The only thing I can do is sincerely wish you the best of luck, if you haven't found someone already. But I also wouldn't mind hearing about your experiences or take on the matter as to why you think I'm wrong. This is a forum afterall, with a plurarlity of ideas and other peoples' experiences. The only thing every single poster can offer, are opinions and ideas based on their personal experience, and that's what I did.

RoboCop

Lets get something very straight-- believing anything that liar says is just plain stupid. Repeating a lie--over and over again with the intent to provoke a response--then seeing someone stupid enough again to  use it-- repeating a lie is not what the forum is about.

[AC]

Lets get something very straight-- believing anything that liar says is just plain stupid. Repeating a lie--over and over again with the intent to provoke a response--then seeing someone stupid enough again to  use it-- repeating a lie is not what the forum is about.

Sorry Jay, I figure you're tough and you could take a bit of entertainment.  I do agree mostly with Robocop though.  As to what fathertime said you will have to take that up with him.

[JayH]

You're going to have to clarify what it is you are asking, but I will try to answer your question the best I can.

Before I met my wife I spent 3 weeks in Vladivostok,  2 weeks in Kiev, and if you include the amount of time I've spent in Baku, it'll be close to 4 months. I also spent 2 weeks traveling around Central Asia with my wife, and have been to all of the Stans except Turkmenistan, but this was soley in the context of a tourist.

You obviously have reacted personally to an impersonal post, and that's something you need to deal with, not me.
 The only thing every single poster can offer, are opinions and ideas based on their personal experience, and that's what I did.

RoboCop

Reacted personally--I don't think so-how much more general could a response be-sheesh.I will react when a absoutely incorrect lie is repeated and repeated-- long after the instigator knows it is a lie-it is plain offensive and even more so when some fool picks it up with the intent to discount an opinion.
You failed to answer the question as to how many woman you met to form your opinions-- and I mean before you met your wife?
My point-- my guess is you are talking of a fairly small number--my opinions are based on quite a large number. I would qualify by saying this in in Ukraine itself.

FWIW-- I asked about timing of visits-- because your comments read like someone of 10 +years ago-- so I was wrong about that!  A lot of yesteryears posters make comments like that and do not recognise the changes.

[fathertime]

Lets get something very straight-- believing anything that liar says is just plain stupid. Repeating a lie--over and over again with the intent to provoke a response--then seeing someone stupid enough again to  use it-- repeating a lie is not what the forum is about.

a poster said it publicly, and you jumped up and down crying liar liar...but I also do recall you saying something very much like that myself during a group chat session, back when I thought you were more respectful...


Robo, had a POV and you certainly did get rather aggressive and questioning his 'credibility'...so it is nice to see he was able to stuff that back at you!  Personally, I agree with his point more than the one you were trying to make (Globally), although like he said it does depend... but the main thing is that he can get his POV out there without any self-righteous blowhards trying to stifle him.   I'd rather take the word of a guy who has gone through with the whole thing, than a guy like you that has obviously been searching a long long time...to no avail, as there is a reason this has happened to you.     


Fathertime!   

[JayH]

Sorry Jay, I figure you're tough and you could take a bit of entertainment.  I do agree mostly with Robocop though.  As to what fathertime said you will have to take that up with him.

To repeat it-- making a fiction created by a fool--then being picked up by a liar-- and repeated and repeated and repeated-- with only one intent--to get a reaction --in an attempt to ridicule--it totally dishonest. If the mods do nothing about him-- every thread deteriorates and that is not what the forum is about.
That particular lie-- was refuted immediately--yet FT has tried in numerous threads to illicit a response that has zero to do with the thread-- about time the mods did something permanently about him.
Above-- you see an example of that lie being used --given the basis of that lie-it illustrates why such a lie is damaging-- and a diversion.

It mirrors the fools belief in Kremlin lies,Manny's lies--keep repeating them and people believe them.

[RoboCop]

Reacted personally--I don't think so-how much more general could a response be-sheesh.I will react when a absoutely incorrect lie is repeated and repeated-- long after the instigator knows it is a lie-it is plain offensive and even more so when some fool picks it up with the intent to discount an opinion.
You failed to answer the question as to how many woman you met to form your opinions-- and I mean before you met your wife?
My point-- my guess is you are talking of a fairly small number--my opinions are based on quite a large number. I would qualify by saying this in in Ukraine itself.

FWIW-- I asked about timing of visits-- because your comments read like someone of 10 +years ago-- so I was wrong about that!  A lot of yesteryears posters make comments like that and do not recognise the changes.

That's not an emotional response?

You ask an incoherent series of questions, without any specifics, I answered it, and now you make all these wild allegations.

Anyone with the audacity to say their POV applies to all of Ukraine, is suffering from a hubris beyond the help of this forum.