Free Porn Contributing Factor in Decline of Marriage

[AC]

And while men cannot have children without women, rightfully so.

 

[Boethius]

You do know he was being facetious, right?

[AC]

You do know he was being facetious, right?

And so was I.  The evidence is that in the West young women are now expected to be lonely career girls who will become barren old maids, unlike your version of events. 

[Boethius]

That is not what independent evidence states.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx


Median age of first birth in U.S. - 25.8 years


Median age for college educated women - 30 years

[lordtiberius]

That is not what independent evidence states.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx


Median age of first birth in U.S. - 25.8 years


Median age for college educated women - 30 years

This is progress?

[Boethius]

I don't think having children after age 25 is a bad thing.

[lordtiberius]

I don't think having children after age 25 is a bad thing.

This is not progress.

[Boethius]

Why?  Isn't it better that a mother be educated?  I think in general terms, a mother who is older is usually a better mother, than one who is young and believes she is missing out on something.


BTW, the average age of a first child in Ukraine is 25.8 years.

[lordtiberius]

Why?  Isn't it better that a mother be educated?

By what?  You mean college?  Yeah, that's progress.

I think in general terms, a mother who is older is usually a better mother, than one who is young and believes she is missing out on something.

Then why not defer motherhood to 40, 50 or 60.  We have the science. 

BTW, the average age of a first child in Ukraine is 25.8 years.

They are more family orientated than we are.  We are more porn orientated.  You are right to condemn the West in those terms.  But we are better off than Russia.  Ain't that right Belvis, Doll, etc etc etc

[Boethius]

I don't think Ukrainians are more family oriented than North Americans.  Were that true, there would not be 100,000 children in orphanages in Ukraine, and another 100,000 or so living on the streets.  In Western Ukraine, whole villages have been emptied, parents working abroad, often for years, their children dumped on grandparents or left on their own.  Are those really the family values you espouse?


As for progress, yes, I happen to believe an education is important. 

[AC]

This is not progress.

It's not even remotely progress.  37% of women born in 1935 had 4 or more children and they had their first child at a much younger age. 


• Women born in 1910 and
1935 started their childbearing
at the youngest ages with an
“average” or median age at first
birth of 21 years; more than
70 percent of their first births
occurred to women under age
25. The median age at first birth
was oldest for the 1960 birth
cohort (23 years).
• Thirty-seven percent of
women born in 1935 had four
or more children; women born
in 1960 were the most likely to
have two children (35 percent);


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db68.pdf

[Boethius]

How was that better than today?

[AC]

I don't think Ukrainians are more family oriented than North Americans.  Were that true, there would not be 100,000 children in orphanages in Ukraine.

This is because of economics, not because of a lack of family values.  Were Ukraine not a corrupt country that mostly rewards the elite Oligarchs at the expense of most others there is no doubt that this would not be the case.  This is why Ukraine is fighting a war with Russia, or did you forget?

[fathertime]

Why?  Isn't it better that a mother be educated? I think in general terms, a mother who is older is usually a better mother, than one who is young and believes she is missing out on something.


BTW, the average age of a first child in Ukraine is 25.8 years.

Well Boethius I've seen quite a few women that became mothers in their late 30's or early 40's and generally they weren't very attentive or energy-filled..BUT they did have enough servants to fill in the gaps....but to your point, a young mother 'who believes she is missing out on something is not good either....  There are quite a few younger mothers that feel fine about their decision though...which I believe is the best scenario as they are more likely to have boundless energy still, and better overall health, and produce healthier offspring.


Fathertime!   

[AC]

How was that better than today?

You seem to have forgotten your claim that evidence points to Western women not being indoctrinated by "feminism" to be career women at the expense of the possibility of being traditional mothers.  Here, let me remind you:

That is not what independent evidence states.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx
Median age of first birth in U.S. - 25.8 years
Median age for college educated women - 30 years

[Boethius]

This is because of economics, not because of a lack of family values.  Were Ukraine not a corrupt country that mostly rewards the elite Oligarchs at the expense of most others there is no doubt that this would not be the case.  This is why Ukraine is fighting a war with Russia, or did you forget?

No, it is not because of economics. 


After WWII, Ukrainians were a lot poorer than they are today.  They didn't dump their kids to work in other parts of the FSU, or dump them in orphanages.


It's a nice story, but not tied to reality.

[Boethius]

Well Boethius I've seen quite a few women that became mothers in their late 30's or early 40's and generally they weren't very attentive or energy-filled..BUT they did have enough servants to fill in the gaps....but to your point, a young mother 'who believes she is missing out on something is not good either....  There are quite a few younger mothers that feel fine about their decision though...which I believe is the best scenario as they are more likely to have boundless energy still, and better overall health, and produce healthier offspring.


Fathertime!

Depends on the mother.  I only know one woman who had a child in her forties, lots of energy, no servants, not even a nanny.  Most of the women I know had their children in their early to mid thirties.

[lordtiberius]

I don't think Ukrainians are more family oriented than North Americans.  Were that true, there would not be 100,000 children in orphanages in Ukraine, and another 100,000 or so living on the streets.

I don't know what its like in Canada but we have kid kennels called the Foster Care system.  And these kids when they become adults become homeless.  #Progress4women

  . . . parents working  . . . , often for years, their children dumped on grandparents or left on their own.  Are those really the family values you espouse?

You just described the parenting style of my filipino aunts and uncles.  They are allegedly pro-family.

  As for progress, yes, I happen to believe an education is important.

Umm, ok, we have feminists in my country wanting $ 3,000 in subsidized birth control while women are getting raped and slaughtered in the Middle East.  We have graduates who cannot read, write, add or subtract, but they can twerk, run down my country and vote Hope and Change and wonder why they get a job.

You cannot complain about porn-America (we make 90% of the world's porn) and not complain about feminism's hand in the demise of the family.  They are bed partners - spouses in its demise.

[lordtiberius]

Depends on the mother.  I only know one woman who had a child in her forties, lots of energy, no servants, not even a nanny.  Most of the women I know had their children in their early to mid thirties.

We should all aspire to this model.  But I just don't find Demi Moore attractive anymore not since Striptease.

[lordtiberius]

Well Boethius I've seen quite a few women that became mothers in their late 30's or early 40's and generally they weren't very attentive or energy-filled..BUT they did have enough servants to fill in the gaps....but to your point, a young mother 'who believes she is missing out on something is not good either....  There are quite a few younger mothers that feel fine about their decision though...which I believe is the best scenario as they are more likely to have boundless energy still, and better overall health, and produce healthier offspring.


Fathertime!

I agree with FT. 

[Boethius]

I don't know what its like in Canada but we have kid kennels called the Foster Care system.  And these kids when they become adults become homeless.  #Progress4women

You just described the parenting style of my filipino aunts and uncles.  They are allegedly pro-family.


Umm, ok, we have feminists in my country wanting $ 3,000 in subsidized birth control while women are getting raped and slaughtered in the Middle East.  We have graduates who cannot read, write, add or subtract, but they can twerk, run down my country and vote Hope and Change and wonder why they get a job.

You cannot complain about porn-America (we make 90% of the world's porn) and not complain about feminism's hand in the demise of the family.  They are bed partners - spouses in its demise.

Lost my post. 


1.  There are as many kids in orphanages in Ukraine as there are in foster care in the US, despite the fact the US has six times the population of Ukraine.   So no, it is not a model to aspire to.


2.  I don't recall stating my views on porn.  I just posted a link.  But, I disagree that porn and feminism are linked. 

[AC]

In 200 years there won't be a United States of America because we will be overrun by our sworn enemies the radical Muslims who have an average of 6 children. 

But a PC Marxist "education" at a public University where students are taught to run down the USA is far more important.   

(Oh, and other than a few Bin Laden pervert types there won't be any porn either)

[Boethius]

I assume you'd be happy to have all those "family friendly" values that Islam espouses.  With the added advantage of restricted access to education for women, whose only purpose in life is to serve men.

[AC]

I assume you'd be happy to have all those "family friendly" values that Islam espouses.  With the added advantage of restricted access to education for women, whose only purpose in life is to serve men.

No, I absolutely would not.  Ever hear of a happy medium?  Apparently not.

[lordtiberius]

2.  I don't recall stating my views on porn.  I just posted a link.  But, I disagree that porn and feminism are linked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_of_pornography