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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #150 on: January 20, 2015, 11:06:44 PM »
AC is right.  Both parties agree Ukraine needs reinforcement but the President is the problem.  He is making moves in the Middle East that indicate to me he is giving into Nuclear blackmail.  John Schindler @20committee reports Russia has an Iran arms treaty.  Obama reversed itself with respect to Asaad and the Houthi, an Iranian proxy have seized the Yemeni capital.  Looks like FT will get his price increase in oil soon.

We are not helping Ukraine.  There isn't a whole lot Poroshenko can do that he hasn't already done.  Schlinder thinks Ukraine should mobilize a 1 million man army and follow the Croatian model.  Russia is not Serbia and when I pressed Schlinder for how exactly Ukraine would pay or supply this million man Army with a basic load of 210 rounds of ammunition, he insulted me.

If the Poroshenko government fails, it will be because of us or more precisely because of our President - the Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Good post.   :clapping:

However hopefully now you will realize why europe needs to step up.  Obama never will.

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #151 on: January 20, 2015, 11:12:45 PM »
However hopefully now you will realize why europe needs to step up.  Obama never will.



Actually Obama is tougher than Europe. Obama went over there to convince them to apply stronger sanctions. Some European nations don't even want to apply sanctions anymore. France really wants to sell those two warships to Russia. I feel Russia will eventually pound Ukraine into submission. When? Only Putin knows. He's in the drivers seat.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #152 on: January 20, 2015, 11:22:02 PM »

Actually Obama is tougher than Europe. Obama went over there to convince them to apply stronger sanctions. Some European nations don't even want to apply sanctions anymore. France really wants to sell those two warships to Russia. I feel Russia will eventually pound Ukraine into submission. When? Only Putin knows. He's in the drivers seat.

I'm not talking about sanctions.  I am talking about weapons.  I believe Poland is probably going to take the lead in quietly giving Ukraine some proper weapons.  They have the most to lose and have real fear about how they were treated by Russia in the past.

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #153 on: January 20, 2015, 11:40:05 PM »
  I am talking about weapons.  I believe Poland is probably going to take the lead in quietly giving Ukraine some proper weapons. 



This is dangerous if NATO isn't unified in supplying weapons to Ukraine. Putin may see the lack of unity as a weakness and Poland may find themselves in a fight with Russia to which NATO will be dragged into the fight unprepared. NATO should mass troops in Poland and call it "exercises" if Poland is to supply weapons to Ukraine alone.


They have the most to lose and have real fear about how they were treated by Russia in the past.



If they have personal reasons to get back at Russia, they may get NATO involved on purpose.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #154 on: January 21, 2015, 12:31:10 AM »

Actually Obama is tougher than Europe. Obama went over there to convince them to apply stronger sanctions. Some European nations don't even want to apply sanctions anymore. France really wants to sell those two warships to Russia. I feel Russia will eventually pound Ukraine into submission. When? Only Putin knows. He's in the drivers seat.

Trying to measure toughness in Western leaders is like asking who is the least annoying on the View.

If NATO allows Ukraine to fail, it will find an emboldened, richer Russia without a buffer state to protect it
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #155 on: January 21, 2015, 03:23:34 AM »


100%-- I advised you of this a few months ago via another forum.
Actually--if you read AndrewFi in another place you will see him quoting his friend at life yesterday as being a source of accurate information!!
It was Phillips involved in proven staged scene of Russians having taken the airport on Saturday !!

UPDATE

Graham Phillips in uniform and with Kalashnikov.

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SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #156 on: January 21, 2015, 07:52:47 AM »
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #157 on: January 21, 2015, 09:12:33 AM »
However hopefully now you will realize why europe needs to step up.  Obama never will.


I can only hope.
I guess you don't realize that a lot of people in the US and the world over are getting very sick of the US running around playing world cop. If it's that important to start a war that will involve the EU then let the EU do it. Why can't the US pay more attention to the US? Fix more roads and bridges or maybe improve schools instead of pissing the budget away on the latest crisis du jour.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #158 on: January 21, 2015, 09:17:43 AM »
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #159 on: January 21, 2015, 09:42:43 AM »
What do you think Ukraine's new name will be when it goes away?
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #160 on: January 21, 2015, 10:36:44 AM »
How about "The Great Smoking Hole in the Ground"? Has a nice ring to it.
C'mon! this is what you guys are pushing for. Yessiree, we'll fight to the last drop of Ukraine's blood. 
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #161 on: January 21, 2015, 10:39:47 AM »

I can only hope.
I guess you don't realize that a lot of people in the US and the world over are getting very sick of the US running around playing world cop. If it's that important to start a war that will involve the EU then let the EU do it. Why can't the US pay more attention to the US? Fix more roads and bridges or maybe improve schools instead of pissing the budget away on the latest crisis du jour.


Sure they are. Until someone sticks a hot nail up their ass. And then you'll hear: Where are the Americans?


And guess what? The neocons are more than happy to oblige.


Listen to the few here how pissed off they are because the US is not arming Ukraine nor sending troops over there to kick some Russian ass.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #162 on: January 21, 2015, 10:41:19 AM »
How about "The Great Smoking Hole in the Ground"? Has a nice ring to it.
C'mon! this is what you guys are pushing for. Yessiree, we'll fight to the last drop of Ukraine's blood. 
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DUH!!


So far what people in this forum wants has no bearing on what the Ukrainians have opted to do. It's their blood and they made that choice.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #163 on: January 21, 2015, 11:42:27 AM »
So far what people in this forum wants has no bearing on what the Ukrainians have opted to do. It's their blood and they made that choice.



Now that Ukrainians are facing down the barrel of a gun, you believe they have it coming to them because they made the choice? Really? The president you voted for sent billions of dollars over to Ukraine to promote democracy. The president you voted for encouraged them to stand up for what's right. The president you voted for isn't thoroughly backing up the people he help put in harms way. The president you voted for isn't standing up for what's right.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #164 on: January 21, 2015, 11:52:54 AM »
So far what people in this forum wants has no bearing on what the Ukrainians have opted to do. It's their blood and they made that choice.

That's right, which is why President Poroshenko went to Congress and pleaded for military assistance.  Or have you conveniently forgotten that?   :cluebat:

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #165 on: January 21, 2015, 12:22:36 PM »

Now that Ukrainians are facing down the barrel of a gun, you believe they have it coming to them because they made the choice? Really? The president you voted for sent billions of dollars over to Ukraine to promote democracy. The president you voted for encouraged them to stand up for what's right. The president you voted for isn't thoroughly backing up the people he help put in harms way. The president you voted for isn't standing up for what's right.


Boy Billy, you really have a very low IQ.


What makes you think I want Ukrainians to be decimated? Are you dumb? Please don't answer.


Also, the President I voted for had nothing to do with the Stock Market soaring nor the economy recovering, right? Please don't answer. Keep the illusion.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #166 on: January 21, 2015, 12:23:20 PM »
That's right, which is why President Poroshenko went to Congress and pleaded for military assistance.  Or have you conveniently forgotten that?   :cluebat:


Another one.


Are you a member of Congress?
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #167 on: January 21, 2015, 12:42:43 PM »
How about "The Great Smoking Hole in the Ground"? Has a nice ring to it.
C'mon! this is what you guys are pushing for. Yessiree, we'll fight to the last drop of Ukraine's blood. 
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I think it is what you are pushing for.  You want them to wave the white flag of surrender so that Putler can goose step his troops all the way to Kiev.  That's not going to happen.  It's their sovereign territory, tell your friends in Russia to get out!

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #168 on: January 21, 2015, 12:45:28 PM »

Another one.


Are you a member of Congress?

Stunningly obtuse as usual.  We were talking about what Ukrainians want.  Try to keep up.  Maybe take some Geritol and get a Red Bull.

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #169 on: January 21, 2015, 12:56:53 PM »
I think it is what you are pushing for.  You want them to wave the white flag of surrender so that Putler can goose step his troops all the way to Kiev.  That's not going to happen.  It's their sovereign territory, tell your friends in Russia to get out!


Wrong. I want the EU to run this show. If it isn't important to them then the US has no business over there. We can give someone else a freedom fooking.
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #170 on: January 21, 2015, 12:58:52 PM »
Also, the President I voted for had nothing to do with the Stock Market soaring nor the economy recovering, right? Please don't answer. Keep the illusion.

Printing money that the country does not have is very good for the Stock Market.  As to how the economy is doing to say it has been underperforming during his reign would be an understatement.

What has he done to the Coal industry?  That's right, he decimated it.  Where is his signature on the Keystone Pipeline?  That's right, he and his former Congress have blocked it for the past 4 years.

Wages growing?  Nope, they have declined in real dollar terms.  Of course giving amnesty to 15 million illegal immigrants had nothing to do with that, right?

And full time employment?  Obama thinks that 30 hours a week is full time employment.  The war on terror?  Oh, if you just engage in some Marxist happy speech, there is no Al Queda and Muslim extremists do not exist.

The only thing the guy you voted for is responsible for, is taking our national debt from the 4 Trillion he inherited from Bush, Jr up to 18 Trillion in less than 5 years.  Oh yeah, you should be so proud of that!  Your little one and his little ones will be paying the interest on that debt for the next 50 years.  Yeah what an accomplishment!

As the Russian officials like to say, our economy really is a house of cards.  Putin probably wants WWIII because he knows there is a good chance it might cause a total rollover of the Western economy.  Russians are already good at eating cabbage and potatoes.

As far as IQ goes, your guy Jonathan Gruber thinks he real smart now doesn't he?  Obviously so do you.

Here's a link to remind you of your real IQ. 

Guy goes into a bar, there’s a robot bartender.

The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini.”

The robot brings back the best martini ever and says to the man, “What’s your IQ?”

The guy says, “168.” The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology.

The guy leaves, but he is curious, so he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says,”What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini.”

Again, the robot makes a great martini, gives it to the man and says, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says, “100.” The robot then starts to talk about NASCAR, Budweiser and John Deere tractors.

The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time.

He goes back into the bar. The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini,” and the robot brings him another great martini.

The robot then says, “What’s your IQ?”

The guy says, “Uh, about 50.”

The robot leans in real close and says, “So, you still happy you voted for Obama
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #171 on: January 21, 2015, 01:07:44 PM »

Wrong. I want the EU to run this show. If it isn't important to them then the US has no business over there. We can give someone else a freedom fooking.

The EU doesn't have any weapons.  NATO does, and the US is a founding member.  That said I prefer if the Ukrainians get their neccesary weapons from unnamed sources.
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Meet the NATO Crews Watching the Skies For Russia's Next Move
« Reply #172 on: January 21, 2015, 01:08:53 PM »
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Meet the NATO Crews Watching the Skies For Russia's Next Move

Russia may be flexing its muscles in a Soviet-like show of force, but the rest of the world is not taking Vladimir Putin's imperialist spasms lightly. PM was invited on an official surveillance flight high above Europe.

I'm here because I was issued a rare invitation to shadow a NATO crew on a 71/2-hour surveillance mission over Poland. The E-3A is also known as an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft, and this flight is part of NATO's recently rejuvenated effort to monitor and discourage Russia's military activities, and to reassure the Poles that its allies will be there to quell any aggressive moves by Vladimir Putin should the Russian leader continue to try to rewind Europe back to the late 1970s. Relations in this part of the world have been tense since last spring, when Russia annexed Crimea and helped prop up separatists in eastern Ukraine. Older people in Eastern Europe have seen such developments before—a superpower suddenly snatching away some or all of a sovereign nation—and they often end in violent repression or war, or both. Poland, whose borders touch both Russia and Ukraine, has been overrun by hostile neighbors more times than people there care to count, and many Poles told me they feel distrustful of Putin's sudden latter-day Stalin imitation.

 The tension from the shooting on the ground—Russian-backed separatists and soldiers exchanging fire with Ukrainian troops—extends up to this cabin. Just before our mid-September flight, Russian fighter–bombers violated Swedish airspace, buzzed a Canadian military ship in the Black Sea, and encroached on Alaskan airspace. In the months after, a NATO radar team will detect and track a Russian intelligence-collection aircraft that will enter NATO airspace over Estonia. In three days in late October, NATO will detect and monitor four groups of Russian aircraft conducting "a major air exercise" in international airspace, according to the alliance. By late November the Russians will be on pace in 2014 to more than triple the previous year's military aircraft exercises.

"What bothers me most is the offensive nature of what they are doing," Lt. Col. Ireneusz "Palm" Nowak, the base commander at Lask Air Base in Poland, says. "They are seeking new influence, new land. The activity we observe is of a very aggressive nature."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/nato-surveilliance-russia-vladimir-putin-17652946?click=pm_news

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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #173 on: January 21, 2015, 01:50:03 PM »
Printing money that the country does not have is very good for the Stock Market.  As to how the economy is doing to say it has been underperforming during his reign would be an understatement.

What has he done to the Coal industry?  That's right, he decimated it.  Where is his signature on the Keystone Pipeline?  That's right, he and his former Congress have blocked it for the past 4 years.

Wages growing?  Nope, they have declined in real dollar terms.  Of course giving amnesty to 15 million illegal immigrants had nothing to do with that, right?

And full time employment?  Obama thinks that 30 hours a week is full time employment.  The war on terror?  Oh, if you just engage in some Marxist happy speech, there is no Al Queda and Muslim extremists do not exist.

The only thing the guy you voted for is responsible for, is taking our national debt from the 4 Trillion he inherited from Bush, Jr up to 18 Trillion in less than 5 years.  Oh yeah, you should be so proud of that!  Your little one and his little ones will be paying the interest on that debt for the next 50 years.  Yeah what an accomplishment!

As the Russian officials like to say, our economy really is a house of cards.  Putin probably wants WWIII because he knows there is a good chance it might cause a total rollover of the Western economy.  Russians are already good at eating cabbage and potatoes.

As far as IQ goes, your guy Jonathan Gruber thinks he real smart now doesn't he?  Obviously so do you.

Here's a link to remind you of your real IQ.


Where do you get your information? Radio Talk Shows?
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Re: Ukraine is losing the war
« Reply #174 on: January 21, 2015, 01:52:40 PM »
What do you think Ukraine's new name will be when it goes away?

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