So does anyone here ever go to Ukraine or Russia to date anymore?

[AC]

With my local contact providing much vital information about the local culture, I can tell any readers that immediate 'fun weekend' is not how it works with 99% UW. Actually UW is more open minded than ladies from other countries. UW specifically wants to move in and live with the boyfriend. This is a mandatory process, and that is when sex occurs. The move is a simulation of a real life marriage, before actually tying the knot. Their parents also actively encourage that move, unlike parents from other countries especially Asia who think their daughters are being 'used'. That move is not immediate, but it will happen. It will happen soon enough, but not so soon if the guys don't have enough face time. Men from US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand don't have much face time, because there are just that much days off they can take in one year. And these men don't have the luxury of hopping in and out during weekends. This is where these men lose out, unless the UW readjusted that local formula and shortening the 'assessment time', and by doing so, exposes her to the risk of meeting a short term sex tourist. If she ever did that and you are a man from one of these countries, that is with 100% certainty you are now in a real relationship leading all the way to marriage.

So move to Ukraine, but make sure you move to a very provincial and mythical village with lots of virgins.   

[Gator]

mroz,

I just read Nightwish's description of his encounters with UW.   He is not a sex tourist.   

There is nothing wrong with a man and woman enjoying their time together even though it does not lead to a continuing relationship.  I had many such meetings, and sometimes a follow-up trip, without ever discussing marriage or using the "L" word.    You can label this as serial relationships, yet they were never concurrent. 

You OTOH impress me as too uptight. making your meetings more complicated than need be, constantly analyzing the woman and looking for red flags rather than just enjoying each other's company and celebrating life. 


BTW, sex can happen within hours of meeting if there had been some deep conversations.   Or it might take three dates.   Or it simply never happens because there is no chemistry.   Every situation is different, and to judge a woman as not marriageable simply because everything was perfect one evening suggests a sanctimonious moralist. 

One word, R-E-L-A-X. 

[AC]

mroz,

I just read Nightwish's description of his encounters with UW.   He is not a sex tourist.   

There is nothing wrong with a man and woman enjoying their time together even though it does not lead to a continuing relationship.  I had many such meetings, and sometimes a follow-up trip, without ever discussing marriage or using the "L" word.    You can label this as serial relationships, yet they were never concurrent. 

You OTOH impress me as too uptight. making your meetings more complicated than need be, constantly analyzing the woman and looking for red flags rather than just enjoying each other's company and celebrating life. 


BTW, sex can happen within hours of meeting if there had been some deep conversations.   Or it might take three dates.   Or it simply never happens because there is no chemistry.   Every situation is different, and to judge a woman as not marriageable simply because everything was perfect one evening suggests a sanctimonious moralist. 

One word, R-E-L-A-X.

Excellent post Gator, but it seems that some guys need an owners manual or cliff notes to relax.   

[ML]

I disagree.  Women, like men, enjoy sex.  Women, like men, are different.  A decent woman may fall into bed with a man early in a relationship.  It doesn't make her less marriageable, if that is an end goal.

Boe is absolutely correct.

And, this is the year 2014, so the number of women 'falling into bed early' is growing every year compared to 'pre emancipation' days.

Both parties just need to be responsible and practice safe sex, etc.

[ML]

I agree with many things that has been said in this thread,,,,

Here I'm adding my opinions, about some of the reasons, why so many fail at this endeavor.

Great post North Buddy.

[ML]

but let's be honest, it does not usually go like that.

You have it totally backwards.

It usually DOES go like that.

Are you part of the Shaker religion?

[AC]

You have it totally backwards.

It usually DOES go like that.

Are you part of the Shaker religion?

 

[Anotherkiwi]

BTW, sex can happen within hours of meeting if there had been some deep conversations.   Or it might take three dates.   Or it simply never happens because there is no chemistry.

Remember the guy who told us (a few years ago) that he had sex less than an hour after he landed in Russia, and nobody could figure out how?  He bonked one of the Immigration or Customs officers before he left the airport. 

[LAman]

The lady is an adult and is in control of her body.  If Nightwish lied to her to get her into bed, that would be wrong but that is speculation. What we do know is he's here on a forum for men who seeks marriage with an FSU woman. Sex tourists primarily look for prostitutes. Just pay them to lay them. There isn't the hassle or expense of dating for days/weeks and coming out empty handed.

Now....that is the past tense, it is now merely a political forum where discussion of women does arise now and then

[mroz87]

The lady is an adult and is in control of her body. If Nightwish lied to her to get her into bed, that would be wrong but that is speculation. What we do know is he's here on a forum for men who seeks marriage with an FSU woman. Sex tourists primarily look for prostitutes. Just pay them to lay them. There isn't the hassle or expense of dating for days/weeks and coming out empty handed.


Having sex doesn't mean a man and a woman must automatically commit into a relationship. You took a lady on numerous shopping trips and that too doesn't mean she must commit to a relationship. You took a chance spending money on a woman. A woman took a chance getting into bed with Nightwish. Everybody is still single. For all we know, the woman dumped Nightwish or they parted ways knowing they were incompatible in every way except in sex.

Billy, I will attach this response to your post as I find it most relevant, although there are many points valid as a response to other posters, so not everything I wrote here is directed to you Just take it as a casual read.

A few UW I talked to told me that sex with men whom they met for the first time and without sufficient face time is a no go. They also told me a man is considered sex tourist even without 'pay and lay'. That is consistent with those Lady B, C scenarios I mentioned earlier. But then again, some posters will say these ladies are also 'uptight'.

To other posters: When did I ever say Nightwish cannot do what he is doing? When did I infringe his sex rights as an adult? And when is someone uptight or not? Is another person uptight just because he doesn't agree with your notion about sex?

I don't stop Nightwish's approach. But I think deep down I am a bit disappointed with many replies here celebrating the 'get laid' counts instead of what matters most: actually dating (in a genuine way) and later marrying that one lady. I did not see this in Nightwish's approach with Lady B. If Lady B just want to have fun, then that's fine by me. We are all speculating here, even if Nightwish gives more detail, it is still biased, unless lady B is also here. But I doubt Lady B only wanted to have fun. There are no shortage of hunks in Kiev, just saying.

Also Nightwish failed with that Kherson lady, with whom he spent most time with the best deep and meaningful communication. It seems like everyone shoves this under the carpet, and keep focusing on that 2 weeks communication Kiev lady with a getting laid ending. Has anyone probed deeper about why that failed? Instead, all are up in arms about this 'sex', even invoking the Shakers and playing that virginity card. At least no one mentions Mormon yet.

Every man may do whatever he wants, but I recommend keeping some of the things private and discreet  Whatever we post here, it forms an impression, and I will not be surprised if some UW are looking through a thread like this. Some of you may selectively uphold Boe's and a few other women's opinion here, but as far as I know, there were very few women posters and they were given the royal treatment here whatever they said. Show this thread (especially the part started by Nightwish) to thousands of UW and see what are their average impression of foreign men.

[Boethius]

The Kherson lady could have failed for many reasons unrelated to sleeping with another woman.


If you believe UW over 30 are not getting laid because they are telling you that, you are living in la-la land. 

[mroz87]

Guys, if I told you I had similar encounters like Nightwish, don't you think the direction of this thread will be different? I am not saying I did or did not. I think we should lay a low profile when sex was involved while talking about meeting multiple ladies. Lurking FSUW don't need to know that hot and spicy escapades we had, or keep having. The general impression about foreign guys is bad enough, please don't make it worse. Most ladies I met speak English quite well, and I am sure they trawl forums like this.

[Boethius]

All Nightwish posted was that one woman didn't work it, the other was not a long term possibility (they both recognized that), but she wanted to have sex with him. 

[mroz87]

The Kherson lady could have failed for many reasons unrelated to sleeping with another woman.

In that post to Billy, I was saying why no one here talked about the case with the Kherson lady, but instead focus on the Kiev one he got laid. Whatever reasons that failed, it is a point of discussion that should have happened, if everyone here is marriage minded. But of course I know many have already married, and in the past I have also said there are 'marriage minded' men who want marriage, but think it's no problem sleeping here and there as long as the opportunity presents itself. That is when this same man is telling Ola how much he wants her and want a sweet date, then bangs Sveta if the chance is there.

If you believe UW over 30 are not getting laid because they are telling you that, you are living in la-la land.

I go for UW under 30 and I think many are getting laid in the past. As I have said, it is mandatory process to move in with the boyfriend. Most have had boyfriends in the past. Nobody is living in la-la land.

[jone]

Guys, if I told you I had similar encounters like Nightwish, don't you think the direction of this thread will be different? I am not saying I did or did not. I think we should lay a low profile when sex was involved while taking about meeting multiple ladies. Lurking FSUW don't need to know that hot and spicy escapades we had, or keep having. The general impression about foreign guys is bad enough, please don't make it worse. Most ladies I met speak English quite well, and I am sure they trawl forums like this.

I suppose I shouldn't bring up that episode I had with the 14 year old?

[mroz87]

I suppose I shouldn't bring up that episode I had with the 24 year old?

24. There you go. I fixed that typo for you

[mroz87]

Remember the guy who told us (a few years ago) that he had sex less than an hour after he landed in Russia, and nobody could figure out how?  He bonked one of the Immigration or Customs officers before he left the airport. 

This lady officer in tight military uniform was eyeing me, then led me to a room and had my 'package' checked ... thoroughly. I would say her checking procedure was a bit unusual.

[AC]

I don't stop Nightwish's approach. But I think deep down I am a bit disappointed with many replies here celebrating the 'get laid' counts instead of what matters most: actually dating (in a genuine way) and later marrying that one lady. I did not see this in Nightwish's approach with Lady B. If Lady B just want to have fun, then that's fine by me. We are all speculating here, even if Nightwish gives more detail, it is still biased, unless lady B is also here. But I doubt Lady B only wanted to have fun. There are no shortage of hunks in Kiev, just saying.

I would say that getting laid is part of actually dating in a genuine way.  Much more so than having a pro-dater take you on a shopping trip.  To each his own. 

[RoboCop]

So move to Ukraine, but make sure you move to a very provincial and mythical village with lots of virgins.   

If you ever find this place please let me know...I'm a sociology student  who wants to explore it for research purposes.

[BillyB]

I think we should lay a low profile when sex was involved while talking about meeting multiple ladies. Lurking FSUW don't need to know that hot and spicy escapades we had, or keep having.

Talking about sex is okay if there is educational value. At Youtube, nudity is forbidden unless it has educational value. Breast feeding videos are some of the type they would be allowed.


People here have read your and Nightwish's words with interest because it gives a clue on what could happen in the FSU. It educates them. Most men here have or are wanting a relationship with an FSU woman. There are many things that happen in relationships and sex is one of them. As long as Nightwish stays anonymous and doesn't post any names and photos of the ladies he slept with, then I see no harm in telling people his experiences whether he met ice cold or passionately hot women in the FSU.

[jone]

I'd like to see their photos.   

[RoboCop]

This lady officer in tight military uniform was eyeing me, then led me to a room and had my 'package' checked ... thoroughly. I would say her checking procedure was a bit unusual.

I don't think that's too implausible. One time at Tashkent international airport, the girl checking passports in one of those booths at customs, gave me this flirtatious smile upon seeing me, coupled with prolonged eye contact. The first thing she said to me wasn't, "Can I have your passport," but, "You are from overseas?" Well, I just came from an international flight from Turkey...But yeah, after checking my passport and giving me back my registration card, whilst smiling at me the whole time, I noticed I now also had an extra piece of paper...And no it wasn't cocaine, it was her email.

Maybe I'm loking at things the wrong way and she just wanted a pen-pal to practice her English, maybe I look like a sucker - I know that's how FSU airport taxi drivers see me - but yeah, if a guy is good-looking enough, perceived as a viable way out of their country, or looked like free English lessons, it's possible.

You can say the guy was being a braggard looking for validation from anonymous men on an internet forum, and probably lived a pitiful existence, and I'd agree with you, but still, it's not too implausible.

[RoboCop]

This lady officer in tight military uniform was eyeing me, then led me to a room and had my 'package' checked ... thoroughly. I would say her checking procedure was a bit unusual.

What I'm tryng to say is that might seem far fetched to some. However, I've seen some very good-looking guys pull things off like that.

For those with genes that make them aestheically pleasing, their interaction with women is at a completely different level to "average" guys like myself and many others.

[ML]

For those with genes (or jeans) that make them aestheically pleasing, their interaction with women is at a completely different level to "average" guys like myself and many others.

[Muzh]

Let say I have good going with three ladies.

LMFAO


From all the shit I've read from you, I seriously doubt you'll ever have a good thing with one lady, even less with three.


You are opinionated, intransigent,stereotyping, and all-around piece of work. (Notice I'm doing the same as you, judging you by the little you have written.)


However, I doubt very much you will change. And if you haven't figured it out yet, women really don't like guys who behave like you. So don't think the the babes from the former Soyuz will be any different from the ones who told you to take a hike.   


Edit: MY God! I've been reading more of your posts and forgot one adjective. Hypocrite.