A descriptive Term other than GCG

[BC]

"I must have had my thumb on the assay. I don't know what happened there..." What a relief!

Now you guys can see why I am paranoid about golddiggers. 

Maxx

Maxx,

Replace on with up. 

hehe

[BillyB]

BTW I was "disfellowshiped" (shunned/excomunicated) in a secret meeting by the Church elders for my leaving "The one true religion (100% God approved TM )". Now my new brothers are you guys 


Maxx

Maxx, We brothers at RWD can't guarantee you Heaven but we sure can give you Hell.  Happy Birthday and may all your dreams(fantasies) come true.

[Maxx2]

Thank you brothers one and all. I am going to go out now and buy myself a birthday gift and a frosted cup cake with candle. I know I am pathetic but remember it's just a transition phase until I become "Super~Maxx!"

Maxx

[BC]

Maxx,

ALWAYS remember "this too shall pass.."

Happy Birthday!

[Captmonk1]

BTW I was "disfellowshiped" (shunned/excomunicated) in a secret meeting by the Church elders for my leaving "The one true religion (100% God approved TM )".

Maxx

How did you get disfellowshiped for leaving? I mean...did you write a letter or something and tell them you were leaving...or did you stand up at a meeting and declare you are gone...or did you just not show up ever again?  Tell us the whole shadowy story.

[Markus]

Maxx,

How are you doing sir? Since the subject came up again, not the Good Cute Girl thing, but the Jehovah's Witnesses. I enjoy when they knock on my door. I play stupid, which as some of my posts reflect, is not difficult for me. But, I know a few things about Jehovah's Witnesses. That's why I play stupid. I slowly lead them into questions that I know opposes what they believe. It's fun to see them squirm to come up with the correct answer. But, they have been trained to respond to specific questions. Knowing what they believe, I play stupid and slowly sound more knowledgeable about what I'm talking about as the questions increase. Of course, I know their religion better than some of the folks knocking on my door. It's when I get the youngsters with an old lady when it really gets interesting. The old lady has been answering questions from many folks. What they don't believe is the Deity of Christ and that's solely what I prove based upon the book they carry in their hands. But, enough about that subject.

Did you like my GCG invention? I had many things written that GCG could stand for, but some of the creations were way out in left field, although complying with GCG. I choose not to expose all of my stupidity.

But, why are you spending your time doing the subject of your post?  You're a good man and I hope you haven't given up on FSUW. Would your energy and drive be more appropriately allocated to finding another FSUW?  Pardon my blunt question, but, have you given up on FSUW and care to devote your time to men pursing FSUW to prevent them from experiencing what you experienced?

Mark

[Daknack]

You know, im surprised what those people are willing to tolerate to talk to you.  I once saw them through the peep hole, yelled "just a minute" stripped naked and ran my hair under the sink (I had hair then) and anwsered the door in the buff.  Didnt stop them from asking to come in.  The did finally get the hint when I started scratching myself and leave a Watchtower.  They promised to come back... and I was surprised that they did.

Best way to get rid of them:  Tell them your Catholic.  Its like showing Dracula the cross.

[catzenmouse]

Daknack,

 I think maybe you were just too subtle. You need to be a little more outgoing...

Ken

[Maxx2]

How did you get disfellowshiped for leaving? I mean...did you write a letter or something and tell them you were leaving...or did you stand up at a meeting and declare you are gone...or did you just not show up ever again?  Tell us the whole shadowy story.

I'll make this concise as I can.

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness from the age of five. I was a true believer as almost all of them are. One of the organization's (Church)teachings was that we were living in "the time of the end". That is the end of the world would happen in our lifetime. This was a good thing for us as we had the one true God directed religion and afterward the earth would be restored to a paradise. But it was a BAD thing for the rest of you because you would be destroyed because you never converted to being a Jehovah's witness. Below is an illustration from my childhood book on this.



According to Jehovah's Witness teachings the "time of the end" would last 70-80 years or one generation starting at the begining of World War 1 in 1914 and finish sometime during that generation. In 1995 after 81 years of Jehovah not showing up and taking care of business the organization "got new light" (divine understanding) and changed the understanding of this issue. I decided to take a deep look into them instead and found a mind control cult. It took a year or so to deprogram myself and figure out what I truely believed.
 
About that time my father died as a direct result of the organization's teachings in regard to not using blood for transfusions. I watched him die a slow and painful death over a 3 day period. He was praised by JW's for "mantaining his integrety to Jehovah". I am sure my Dad felt the same way. He was a retired US Marine and afterwards a JW convert so death for God or Country would have been his prefered way to die.

Many Jehovah's Witnesses marriages are disfunctional as bad marriages rarely result in divorce even though they should have ended long ago. Mine was one of those. When it ended after 27 years (I was married young (19) as most JW's are) my ex-wife used an "apostasy" (heresy) charge against me. She used this to secretly get me disfellowshiped. The organization does not publically disfellowship people anymore as they once did because of how common lawsuits are now. So they do it in secret and whisper their decision amongst themselves. To associate with a disfellowship person is to risk being disfellowshiped. Afterwards my ex-wife dispatched 2 elders from my mother's congregation to visit elderly mother about associating with me. They told her that she could not talk with me about anything "spiritual" (religious or Bible based). My two grown daughters, also JW's contact, limit their contact with me. I am blamed for "leaving Jehovah" (God) thus leaving their mother.

Elivira did something similar. She used the I-360 self petition to condemn me without my imput at a trial by the USCIS. I was "tried" based on her "evidence" alone.

So I am in files at the Watchtower Society's (JW's) main headquarters in Brooklyn, New York and listed as an "Apostate".

And I am in files at the USCIS headquarters in St. Albans, Vermont and listed as an "Abuser".

God knows differently.

Maxx

     

[Shadow]

Maxx, as I have an aunt who is Jehova's witness I can confirm what you have written.

One of the most interesting questions to pester them is talking about the end of times. The chosen ones will survive, all others will perish. And God has already chosen. So if I am chosen, I don't have to care about what I do or believe. If not, well I am going to perish anyway.   

Disclaimer : I respect all who believe, have my own believes and regard religion as a highly personal subject. Each person has the right to have their own way of religion. We can share our religion with those who have the same, but should stop from trying to convince others.

[Daknack]

----- but should stop from trying to convince others.

Does this mean I should stop trying to convince people that Im god?

[Ste]

My Church of England Vicar mate says you can have fun with the JW's when they hunt in pairs. Usually one is the pupil and learning the ropes. He reckons if you target him with the difficult theological questions, with a bit of luck  you can totally flummox him, and even get them arguing with each other. Bonus!

The one that got me was a swine, he got me interested in a 'Why our bodies age when there's no biological reason' pamphlet and as I took it off him he slipped the Watchtower from under it. What a bastard.

Plus he had his kid with him on a schoolday. I asked about that and he told me he was home educated. Walking the streets talking to strangers is home-ed?

I challenged him about blood tranfusions, and he told me that doctors agree that transfused blood doesn't 'work' until a few days after transfusion by which time the body has replaced any lost blood. That sounds like total bollocks to me. Which Doctors? Witch Doctors Probably.

He's not been back anyway, I was gonna tell him I'd been reading the Watchtower on the toilet, wonder if that's a sin?

Ste


 

[Shadow]

Does this mean I should stop trying to convince people that Im god?

They would never believe that you are me.

[PeeWee]

The LDS spend a fair amount of time both out and about as well.

  Peewee

[Captmonk1]

1. Some of the most friendly people I know are JW's.

2. They are one of the most diverse religions as far as people you see in their churches. Unlike MOST religions they don't discriminate by skin color.

3. Maxx you seem to have a lot of bad luck.

[Maxx2]

Captmonk, you should give me some credit that I know what I am talking about in regard to a religion I was part of for over 35 years.

1) Of course they are friendly. To be otherwise could "bring reproach upon God's organization" and prevent them from converting you.

2) Read this if you want to know more about the history of JW's in regard to blacks. They at one time taught that Blacks' skin would turn white and speak the perfect language (Hebrew) once God established his kingdom complete on the earth . http://www.freeminds.org/history/blacks.htm Blacks are included because they want the recruits but few rise to positions of higher authortity.

3) Yes I have been as unlucky as you have been lucky. IMO pure dumb luck, so far.... And Dan wonders why I don't tell my story? I would be disected like a lab rat and spit upon by arrogant and lucky idiots. Or is it that I "bring reproach" upon your Russian wives when I tell what happened to me and to other guys??

 See ya

Maxx
 

[Admin]

And Dan wonders why I don't tell my story? I would be disected like a lab rat and spit upon by arrogant and lucky idiots. Or is it that I "bring reproach" upon your Russian wives when I tell what happened to me and to other guys??

 See ya

Maxx

No Maxx, I understand completely why you would be retiscent to tell your story. Yet, you *do* tell your story - in bits and pieces. Your 'story' and experiences - and the places it has led you - are enormously valuable. As you can see, others are often referred to you - for help. Maxx, you provide an incredibly valuable service to some. You've mentioned the creation of a new website - so that your story can reach more people.

"Disected" - sure. Anytime someone comes on to the board and presents a 'picture' of an experience which frightens others - the natural reaction is to say; "THAT couldn't happen to me" - and to PROVE it, the dissection process begins.

Maxx, I have long held that you provide a valuable service to others. Unfortunately, the focus of the service you provide is for those relationships which are failed, or soon will fail. That focus is not an uplifting one. Most of the readers of this board would probably rather not look at that side of things. However, the hard cold facts are that this happens often enough that the shrewd person will evaluate those probabilities - along with everything else they know and feel about their girl - and hopefully, make a better decision armed with the information you provide.

FWIW

- Dan

[Maxx2]

You are right Dan.

I was talking with Clyde last night (everyone should give him a call. Nice guy to talk to) and he asked me if I was going to put my story on my future website. I said "No, it would look like this was the real reason why I did the site". I thought your site would be best. I actually started writing the thing but kept remembering all the criticism I got over at the other place. I was actually told there to move on and put this behind me during my divorce negotiations and six months before my divorce was final. Then it gauls me being called a "One man soap opera" by a guy who is proud that he did this whole endeavor (getting a MOB) in just 1 two week trip to Russia, posting his happily married photos and putting down other men in this process. Then there is the lawyers who don't like my exposing the "shooting fish in a barrel" approach of VAWA and a few other guys that are offended by what they perceive is a slight against there liberal political views and liberal almost sex tourist lifestyle. To hell with them.

Maxx 

[Daknack]

I always get annoyed when I hear someone say something stupid like "that could never happen to me".  Thats a blatently stupid thing to say.  Anything can happen to anyone given the proper set of circumstances.  I freely admit that I could be taken in and decieved by a woman, and anyone that says differently about themselves is on denial river.  There isnt a single human being that hasnt been decieved by someone, or screwed over, or been betrayed.  To suggest that someone is a dumbass when this happened is being a dumbass yourself.  Now, there are ways to minimize such chances, but no one is immune.  Personally I think Maxx did just about everything he could to minimize his chances of being duped.  Spending the kind of time in Russia that he did with mothers and kids, thats a damn sight lot more that 95% of the people married on this site did before they got hitched.  I think alot of people got a pretty big nutsack judging him on it.

[Captmonk1]

3) Yes I have been as unlucky as you have been lucky. IMO pure dumb luck, so far.... And Dan wonders why I don't tell my story? I would be disected like a lab rat and spit upon by arrogant and lucky idiots. Or is it that I "bring reproach" upon your Russian wives when I tell what happened to me and to other guys??

 See ya

Maxx
 

Maxx you have a chip on your shoulder the size of a redwood.

I find it really interesting that you have called my luck "dumb luck". I was giving you credit when I said you have had "bad luck".

I will freely admit that I have had some good luck in this process. But guess what, you can influence your luck a lot either good or bad.

The more I read of all your views, the more I think you have made some of your bad luck, IMO.

You're a classic look on the bad side of things guy plain and simple. That's not saying that you are a bad guy of course. You just aren't very upbeat in my opinion. PLUS you seem to run into a lot of bad luck.

Brad

p.s. Who called you a One Man Soap Opera Maxx?

[Maxx2]

The majority of the men in this did not have a message board to enlighten them. Nor did they have an American in the know fill them in on the perils of bad RW. KenC, God bless him had an honest agency owner sit him down and tell him what he had to watch out for. I believe it was Bruce here who had an honest interpreter clue him in on a woman he was interested in. Wineglass over at the other board mentioned that he thought a certain agency was on the up and up. The same agency that screwed Golden25 into the ground with his scamming ex-wife. Wineglass is an old pro at this and he didn't know. Could a sharp woman in coohoots with others fool him? or KenC? or you? Then I see guys without a clue end up marrying some pretty nice ladies. One guy I know went to Russia all prepared, met his lady and married her a week later. He brought her over on a DCF a month later when such was possible there (Pre-November 21st 2001). They are happily married five years later. I am not saying any of these guys are idiots, far from it, many are intellegent men. But they got lucky when they got clued in or just had plain dumb luck in that they didn't have their women turn pyscho on them.

Frankly I have allot of sympathy for some of the once clueless and now scammed guys. I don't dislike them and have disdain for them like some guys do. Allot of these guys had good intentions and did not over reach. They applyed American ethics (the good old fashioned kind) and "nice guy tactics" and got eaten alive in the FSU. They were surprised that it happened. If their luck had been better they may have had an outcome like the guy who met and married his Russian wife on his first visit. Maybe they would have drifted over here. Maybe they would get puffed up with their success and give advice on how to do it. Then they would start irritating me...

To go to the FSU but once, have a fiancee delivered Stateside and talk about how skillful you were at it? Then admit to being lucky only just a little bit? Come on.

Maxx

[Daknack]

To suggest that Maxx is a negative person shows me one thing:  You have never actually talked to or met the man.  If there is ever an optimist, its Maxx.  He just knows that the world can be a shitty place sometimes and tells people what brand of boots to buy when they wade in and where its the most deep.

[Markus]

Captmonk1,

I disagree with you twice and will begin with your first opinion. You refer to Maxx as having a chip on his shoulder. I think his chip, if it exists, should be expected based upon what he experienced. On the other hand, I think that he is having a difficult time putting the past behind him and moving ahead. Those words are easy for me to type and for you and the readers to see and agree, but we are not Maxx. Sometimes it’s more difficult for a person to move beyond negative experiences. My specific question to Maxx was why he was doing the GCG thing and has he given up on finding an FSUW. He has the experience within him and now has open window before him. My question in my previous post was asking, pharaphrasingly, if he was going to "open the window or keep it closed."
But, even if Maxx is pursing an FSUW, I respect his privacy in keeping it to himself. I would do the same thing.

You refer to “luck” that reflects what Maxx said about luck. There’s many definitions of the word, but one definition I would offer is luck is ‘Putting yourself in the position to provide opportunities to yourself.” With respect to finding an FSU wife, I think a man who found a wife put himself in a position that provided an opportunity.  This process is not an easy task. But, what happens after the man has an opportunity is a decision based upon previous experience, the history of the man and woman, her English level, etc. The “based upon” could be quite lengthy. So, Maxx put himself in this position, found a lady, and she turned out to be a freak. Should Maxx have been able to know her crazy behavior before he followed through with his desire, which is the same desire that you and I had? If the answer is no, please expound upon “things” he or any other man should be able to detect. I will tell you that my 1st wife was such a woman. I don’t say that because I’m vindictive, but she actually was admitted into a “mental” home a few years after our divorce. I could tell you more but you should understand that I could not detect anything until it all hit like a microburst. I was only “lucky” in that I became single again.

I will tell you or any man who finds a wife that he is either lucky or blessed. There is no intellectual manufacturing that leads to marriage and provides the basis that lead to a long-term marriage. I’m TOWW and I can tell you that I’m blessed or lucky, depending on your interpretation. My 2-year anniversary is coming up next month, but who am I to say that my wife will still be with me then, or the next day, or even tomorrow. I really don’t know. If I did, I would know tomorrow and would know which stock to buy today to make me rich tomorrow. It’s a fallacy for a man to relax in his situation with a wife to try and convey the “easy life” to other men, in this case, Maxx.

For the readers, the rest of this long post has to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses and religion so ignore it if you wish. Captmonk1, you also referred to J.W. folks as being some of the nicest folks you have met. I must add that I have met many folks who are Mormon, Agnostic, Atheist, etc., and some of those people are also very nice. But, because they are “nice” people, does that imply that what they think, with respect to religion, is correct? I truly think you would disagree with that statement. So, I see irrelevance between nice people and the J.W. thinking. Now, my thoughts from here are not directed toward you Captmonk1, but to the readers.

I can say that Maxx made a good decision getting away from the J.W. thinking. I will use as reference the Bible that I believe in. For the critics, I’m familiar with the alleged inconsistencies that are used to try and invalidate each writer. Consider the New Testament in John 1:1 where the “word” became flesh. If a person is intellectually honest with their thinking, the “word” was God and became flesh. Of course, the 14th verse says he dwelt among us, where “us” refers to the people during the time of the writing. So, it says God became flesh. God is the only being or person who can forgive sins, yet Jesus forgave sins. So, Jesus equated himself with God, which means he was either Lord, a lunatic, or a liar. But, what the J.W. try to do to get around this fact is that they insert the definite article “a” in John 1:1 to support what they believe. They reject Jesus as being Lord, a Liar, or a Lunatic.  Folks, He who created the world became a man, his name is Jesus, and he is God in the form of a man. He is not the Father, nor is He the Holy Spirit, but He is the Son of God. Compare the Hebrew “one” for “The two shall become one flesh” to Jesus’ words that stated,  “I and the Father are one.” The “definite article” inserted into John 1:1 is extremely important and is the basis of the J.W. thinking. Considering what Maxx stated, the end of times has been predicted many times by the J.W., yet the end has not come. Perhaps they can also predict when a thief will appear. Because when He comes and the end occurs, it will be like a thief in the night.

I have about 3 pages of words on the definite article and it wears me out to read it all. But, I read to try and disprove what I’m reading. I can say that that little single “a” has created much study. I have an entire section on the J.W., which I haven’t found one J.W. who is even willing to discuss the subject with me. You see, when they knock on your door, you welcome them, then begin asking them questions. It’s at that point is when it’s fun watching them try to answer the questions. The Watchtower and New World Translation seek to persuade people into believing what they have been taught. I can say that it takes an intellectual man, a man without pride, to walk away from such a teaching. But, remember that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Reading on a person will discover that ALL things were made by Him and NOTHING was made without HIM. But, most of all, the WORD BECAME FLESH (verse 14). Now, tell me who the WORD is referring to. I can say that HE is a Lunatic, a Liar, or Lord.

Mark

[Markus]

Maxx,

I want to respond to you and say that I really do hope you seek out an FSUW. If I experienced what you did, I would keep my personal life to myself. I wasn't really thinking about "you" when I asked my question. It was just a curiosity question. I do hope you are using your knowledge and experience to find you a lady. Be strong and don't let opposing opinions get to you. I'm probably talking to the choir.

Mark

[Maxx2]

Mark, it is like this for me. I decided to put the whole RW thing on hold or possible off for good for me. It is such a relief! Besides costing way too much money and it is for me a nerve wracking experience. For some time now I have had NO interest in RW romantically. If there is RW in my future she will be someone that is already here or has no need for me to get her here. I don't relishs having the USCIS in my life or have to deal with IMBRA. I will however continue to fight this problem of GCGs and help the guys along the way. I have had some real successes with this lately. There is group of us forming.

In regard to straightening JW out with the Trinity doctrine which BTW I support. They have strong defenses built up there. What happens is they will lead you round and round playing scriptual tag and close their ears to your arguments. Their weakness is in their belief that they have everything figured out and correct. So tactfully using this attitude to get them to explain to you what they believe and then softly poke holes in it. That is to kindly introduce doubt in them about issues that they are not well prepared to defend. As example most JWs do not know that Job a holy man of God celebrated his sons' birthdays in Job 1. It says in the JW bible "each one on his own day" had a feast. Then in Job 3: 1 what "One's day" is identified when Job said "Cursed be my day. Cursed be the day I was born" So one's day is one's day of birth or birthday. Job celebrated his son's birthdays with a feast and a sacrifice. I ran this past my mother and she was shocked. When she ran it past the Elders they were shocked as well. It was then that they told my mother not to discuss the Bible with me anymore or she might become stumbled.

Maxx