Minsk, round two

[Brasscasing]

Let's not despair yet.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-weapons-to-ukraine-could-take-months-officials-say-1423693717?KEYWORDS=us+weapons+could+take+months

Yeah, I know. Still a most disheartening chain of events though.

Canada is also moving ahead with advanced non-lethal aid regardless of this so called peace agreement as well...

Ottawa plans to provide valuable satellite images to Ukrainian forces

..."Ottawa plans to help Ukraine’s beleaguered armed forces by providing them with high-resolution images from Canada’s powerful RADARSAT-2 satellite, CTV News has learned.

Twice a day, the satellite will cross over Ukraine, providing precise details on what is happening on the ground -- day or night.  That will allow the Ukrainians to redeploy their troops and use them more strategically against Russian-backed separatists.

The satellite is “really good at detecting military hardware,” Retired Col. Andre Dupuis of Space Strategies Consulting told CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife"...

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa-plans-to-provide-valuable-satellite-images-to-ukrainian-forces-1.2232388#ixzz3RZ8GNCSB

The obvious disconnect in this aid is that knowing where the hammer's about to fall and being able to do anything about it are two separate issues.

Our new defense minister is no slouch, he'll do what he can. I suspect that's why he was shuffled into the portfolio. Nicholson was competent but lacked imagination. Kenney will look at any and all means of assisting Ukraine within the bounds of complying with the PMO's directives.

Brass

[cc3]

You are mistaken. Doll wasn't so much complaining about lack of freedoms.  She was commenting on how twisted out of shape people here get when they read a dissenting voice, which does not make the poster a "a paid Russian troll" although I'm wondering if they lost my address and banking acct number. 

Fathertime!

Maybe you're being paid with untraceable bitcoins.

[AC]

Sadly Minsk round two is just a charade.  Why else would more Russian tanks and rockets have passed into Ukraine while they were allegedly making a peace deal?  Just a stall tactic by Putin, nothing more.

[fathertime]

Sadly Minsk round two is just a charade.  Why else would more Russian tanks and rockets have passed into Ukraine while they were allegedly making a peace deal?  Just a stall tactic by Putin, nothing more.

If indeed that is the case, why would Germany and France go along with it?

Fathertime!

[Muzh]

If indeed that is the case, why would Germany and France go along with it?

Fathertime!

1) Germany just doesn't want/need a war at its border.
2) Germany NEEDS to sell their shit and Europe is NOT buying that much.
3) Germany would rather use their money to subdue monetarily the rest of Europe rather than spend it in useless things like an army.
4) France wants their billions for the Mistral
5) France is still bending over, as in BOHICA, to Germany.

[Brasscasing]

If indeed that is the case, why would Germany and France go along with it?

Because they orchestrated it. I refer you back to my original question:

Why was Merkel content to sit in Munich doing nothing until the very day the POTUS made known he was seriously considering sending lethal aid to Ukraine, Then all of a sudden the frumpy frau's out the door doing her Neville Chamberlain impression faster than a pi$$ed off RW txting her mother running interference for Putin?

If you figure that one out let me know. Because from where I stand it was diplomatic sabotage pure and simple.

Brass

[AC]

Dmitry Tymchuk interpretation of Minsk two:  It's a fraud (translate his most recent post w Google translate or Bing)


http://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymchuk?fref=nf

[Muzh]

Dmitry Tymchuk interpretation of Minsk two:  It's a fraud (translate his most recent post w Google translate or Bing)


http://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymchuk?fref=nf

Heh, and more to come.

[BillyB]

4) France wants their billions for the Mistral

Russian media in link below says they may receive the ships as early as next week. Probably why Hollande was smiling the most during the peace talks. This ceasefire may hold for some weeks if each of the countries  involved have interests in completing objectives. If France does send those ships to Russia, it would basically mean the West has armed Russia more than Ukraine.


Hollande "I'm against arming Ukraine because it'll make Russia escalate so I'll arm Russia because doing the opposite will make Russia de-escalate. Duh"

[lordtiberius]

Russian media in link below says they may receive the ships as early as next week. Probably why Hollande was smiling the most during the peace talks. This ceasefire may hold for some weeks if each of the countries  involved have interests in completing objectives. If France does send those ships to Russia, it would basically mean the West has armed Russia more than Ukraine.


Hollande "I'm against arming Ukraine because it'll make Russia escalate so I'll arm Russia because doing the opposite will make Russia de-escalate. Duh"

Those ships would have implications beyond Ukraine.  They enhance their ability to project power beyond the Black Sea and into the Mediterranean.  But someone on the pro-Ukrainian side will  cheer lead for Merkel and her supporters.

If and WHEN this deal falls apart, will the German people hold the Russian speaking German chancellor accountable?  NSA should release her phone records.  Maybe Huilo is on speed dial.

[fathertime]

1) Germany just doesn't want/need a war at its border.
2) Germany NEEDS to sell their shit and Europe is NOT buying that much.
3) Germany would rather use their money to subdue monetarily the rest of Europe rather than spend it in useless things like an army.
4) France wants their billions for the Mistral
5) France is still bending over, as in BOHICA, to Germany.

Because they orchestrated it. I refer you back to my original question:

Why was Merkel content to sit in Munich doing nothing until the very day the POTUS made known he was seriously considering sending lethal aid to Ukraine, Then all of a sudden the frumpy frau's out the door doing her Neville Chamberlain impression faster than a pi$$ed off RW txting her mother running interference for Putin?

If you figure that one out let me know. Because from where I stand it was diplomatic sabotage pure and simple.

Brass

If indeed Germany and France are representing the EU and they are doing things to get us to pipe down and stay out, then maybe we should do I as they want.  It is on the continent they reside on, it is their neighbor.  They probably have the more to lose if/when the bombs start flying.  If you read what many of the voices of Europe are saying, it is often for us to stay out....(Shadow and The Natural) come to mind. 


Is it possible that Europe doesn't want US intervention as it will result in a less desirable outcome?   I can see why Obama is hesitant to do too much because it doesn't seem like he has important European support, among other things.


Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Russian media in link below says they may receive the ships as early as next week. Probably why Hollande was smiling the most during the peace talks. This ceasefire may hold for some weeks if each of the countries  involved have interests in completing objectives. If France does send those ships to Russia, it would basically mean the West has armed Russia more than Ukraine.


Hollande "I'm against arming Ukraine because it'll make Russia escalate so I'll arm Russia because doing the opposite will make Russia de-escalate. Duh"

Interesting if true.  If those warships get delivered it will be very, very telling.


Fathertime!   

[Muzh]

If indeed Germany and France are representing the EU and they are doing things to get us to pipe down and stay out, then maybe we should do I as they want.  It is on the continent they reside on, it is their neighbor.  They probably have the more to lose if/when the bombs start flying.  If you read what many of the voices of Europe are saying, it is often for us to stay out....(Shadow and The Natural) come to mind. 


Is it possible that Europe doesn't want US intervention as it will result in a less desirable outcome?   I can see why Obama is hesitant to do too much because it doesn't seem like he has important European support, among other things.


Fathertime!

You see? That's the whole problem.


The Europeans did it in 1916 and 1940.


To all this time the USA was neutral and felt it was their problem.


Tell me, what happened?

[lordtiberius]

We have a strange situation in Germany.  Gerhard Schroeder's successor (FM Steinmeier) is more hawkish on Russia than Schroeder's rival (Merkel).

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/politics/66222.html

[Muzh]

We have a strange situation in Germany.  Gerhard Schroeder's successor is more hawkish on Russia than Schroeder's rival.

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/politics/66222.html

Damn.


Putler is more hawkish on Russia than Gerhard Schroeder.

[sleepycat]

Vova, will you pay me? Pleaseeeeeeeee

Dear patriotic Russian serf citizen,

You will be remunerated in Roubles for your selfless efforts in speaking up for the Motherland.
Please be informed that the option to be remunerated in the evil fascist US Dollars is no longer available.
I would also like to commend you on your sacrifices to the Motherland of eating less and using beetroot as makeup substitute.

Your President-For-Life
V. PUTIN 

[Gator]

Dear patriotic Russian serf citizen,

You will be remunerated in Roubles for your selfless efforts in speaking up for the Motherland.
Please be informed that the option to be remunerated in the evil fascist US Dollars is no longer available.
I would also like to commend you on your sacrifices to the Motherland of eating less and using beetroot as makeup substitute.

Your President-For-Life
V. PUTIN

    You forgot Doll is prepared to eat dirt.

[AC]

Heh, and more to come.

Absolutely true.  I just don't really know what it will take for the West to wake up.   

[JayH]

Keep pushing JMc-- keep on going!!  Ukraine needs your help.


STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON RUSSIA-UKRAINE CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT

“Some will use this deal as excuse to delay sending defensive lethal assistance to Ukraine. But as long as Vladimir Putin negotiates peace while sending in tanks, that need still exists. As a wide range of national security experts and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have concluded, providing defensive lethal assistance to Ukraine is not inconsistent with the search for a political solution, it is an essential component to achieving it. Nothing about this deal has changed that.”

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=fad86867-0b5e-4514-97a6-9605f040dce4

[lordtiberius]

Politics is a zero sum game Jay.  You have to take power from someone else.  That is why it is OK to criticize Obama, Merkel, Hollands and Cameron for abandoning Ukraine when McCain was saying long before you were singing his praises we need to arm Ukraine.

[Doll]

   You forgot Doll is prepared to eat dirt.

I will but do you remember I am in the USA? We will do it together.

[Doll]

Dear patriotic Russian serf citizen,

You will be remunerated in Roubles for your selfless efforts in speaking up for the Motherland.
Please be informed that the option to be remunerated in the evil fascist US Dollars is no longer available.
I would also like to commend you on your sacrifices to the Motherland of eating less and using beetroot as makeup substitute.

Your President-For-Life
V. PUTIN

Thank you, Vova, I'll take rubles.
Ура, товарищи!

[Doll]

 


You're very welcome, Doll!

Vladimir
 

[Boethius]

He is evil personified.

Meanwhile, some background -

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/13/ukraine-service-personnel-killed-minsk-ceasefire

[Doll]

Украинский президент Петр Порошенко осмотрел в пятницу, 13 февраля, представленную военную технику украинского и иностранного производства. Об этом сообщает пресс-служба главы государства. Речь идет о британских бронированных автомобилях Saxon, специализированных машинах скорой помощи, средствах противобатарейной борьбы, радиоразведки, беспилотных летательных аппаратов и машин управления.

«Глава государства отметил, что вся техника должна быть направлена в зону проведения АТО [антитеррористической операции] быстрее», – говорится в сообщении пресс-службы украинского президента.

Порошенко вновь прокомментировал прошедшие в Минске переговоры в «нормандском формате» с участием лидеров России, Украины, Германии и Франции. «Твердой уверенности, что минские договоренности будут работать, нет ни у кого. Но особенностью вчерашних договоренностей является то, что переговоры проводились не в рамках трехсторонней контактной группы, а непосредственно президентами Украины, Франции, канцлером ФРГ и президентом России», – отметил он.

На фоне этого заявления украинский лидер также подчеркнул, что украинские военные будут иметь высокий уровень обеспечения. «Время пренебрежения обороноспособностью государства ушло в прошлое. Защитник страны будет обеспечен всем необходимым для победы», – пояснил он.



http://top.rbc.ru/politics/13/02/2015/54de06689a79479ef1f8d6f4