Giving and getting email contact details on dating PPL sites

[Bazzwaldo]

Hi
New to all of this so bare with me
I have a few questions that seems fairly straight forward, I figure that dating sites like http://www.city-of-brides.net/ make money from the male during correspondence between prospective couples.
I figure also that giving or asking for personal email details is against the terms and conditions for these sites as in:

"You may not include in your Member profile as well as in your messages any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses.  Exchange of personal contact information must be done only through Us, in compliance with this Agreement, other rules, terms and conditions established by Us, and with applicable law."

So my question is, how long must one be on, for example http://www.city-of-brides.net/ before the financial harness is lifted, and at what stage is this bridge crossed?
I could imagne myself spending a small fortune on letters and getting nowhere (especially if the woman involved was being paid to communicate)
Do women on this site get paid to communicate?
Cheers in advance
Bazza

[Faux Pas]

Hi
New to all of this so bare with me
I have a few questions that seems fairly straight forward, I figure that dating sites like http://www.city-of-brides.net/ make money from the male during correspondence between prospective couples.
I figure also that giving or asking for personal email details is against the terms and conditions for these sites as in:

"You may not include in your Member profile as well as in your messages any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses.  Exchange of personal contact information must be done only through Us, in compliance with this Agreement, other rules, terms and conditions established by Us, and with applicable law."

So my question is, how long must one be on, for example http://www.city-of-brides.net/ before the financial harness is lifted, and at what stage is this bridge crossed?
I could imagne myself spending a small fortune on letters and getting nowhere (especially if the woman involved was being paid to communicate)
Do women on this site get paid to communicate?
Cheers in advance
Bazza

Chances are, yes, she has profited is some form or fashion.

Allow me to guess, you've found the woman of your dreams and you still haven't paid enough for her personal info? Trust me here, if she felt the same way about you, you would have long ago received her contact information. Forget her. Start your journey reading and asking questions here and learn. You'll save a lot of money and might even find yourself a real woman that is interested in you.

[Bazzwaldo]

Hi Faux Pas
Thanks for your input
To answer your question "you've found the woman of your dreams" thats a no, well not yet
This bit, perhaps I ... "haven't paid enough for her personal info?" well there in lays the question, can she furnish me with her personal details?
If so, at which stage?
I only ask as I have been totally innundated with introductory letters (now over 100)
Whilst 80% are from people sending sexy pictures of nubile lovers half my age (read, scammers), the remaining 20% actually have responded to the written content of my profile... in fairly intricate detail
Of this 20%, there are at least 7 that are from very lovely ladies within my age bracket, whom seem quite interested in me
My profile has only been active for 10 days
So my question is, who gives her permission to part with her personal details and at what stage?
Cheers
Bazza

[BillyB]

So my question is, who gives her permission to part with her personal details and at what stage?

The best answer was in your first post when you highlighted the small print. Members can't do it. They can do it. When? They keep you guessing. Did you read the thread below? Profiles are similar and much of the small print is the same word for word. Time to move on.


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=18991.0

[jone]

Understand the difference between PPL (Pay Per Letter) and PPC (Pay Per Chat) and Subscription sites.  The PPL and PPC sites get paid money for keeping you online.  Subscription sites get paid a monthly amount and then the contacts are free.  Moreover, you can immediately transfer to email and or Skype communication.

[LAman]

Understand the difference between PPL (Pay Per Letter) and PPC (Pay Per Chat) and Subscription sites.  The PPL and PPC sites get paid money for keeping you online.  Subscription sites get paid a monthly amount and then the contacts are free.  Moreover, you can immediately transfer to email and or Skype communication.

I ll agree with your analysis Jone. But to answer Romeo's question, there is not a definite timeline. Without steering the OP is a different direction, a few mail's maybe every 5-6 days, a few chats with girl and if she is interested you can pass her your contact info 'stealthly' during a conversation in chat. I have seen guys pay the gift(flowers) cost or phone conversation to send their contact info. It is very risky to go ppl route.

[jone]

Exactly LAMan.

When I used the PPC process to meet women, I would ship my email address to them the second or third time communicating.  I did it by breaking up the component pieces on each line (as many sites will block an email address).  Some chat gals feigned stupid - or claimed they couldn't see it.  They were lying.  If no interest on the part of the woman, I'd blow her off and go on to the next one.

Here is one big key to understanding PPL and PPC sites:  The new women are the ones most likely to be real. 

If a woman has been online for more than a couple of months, she is inattentive and sometimes has lost all interest in the process - or she has found someone else.  It does not stop Hairy Boris from running her profile and taking in all of the money there is to be found. 

[Faux Pas]

Hi Faux Pas
Thanks for your input
To answer your question "you've found the woman of your dreams" thats a no, well not yet
This bit, perhaps I ... "haven't paid enough for her personal info?" well there in lays the question, can she furnish me with her personal details?
If so, at which stage?
I only ask as I have been totally innundated with introductory letters (now over 100)
Whilst 80% are from people sending sexy pictures of nubile lovers half my age (read, scammers), the remaining 20% actually have responded to the written content of my profile... in fairly intricate detail
Of this 20%, there are at least 7 that are from very lovely ladies within my age bracket, whom seem quite interested in me
My profile has only been active for 10 days
So my question is, who gives her permission to part with her personal details and at what stage?
Cheers
Bazza

For the most part she does. If she is truly interested in you, she'd see that you got her contact info. There are a few chaps here on the forum that met their now wives on ADate. It's not impossible but, it is improbable. The reason for that is that the site is aggressively profit driven and many or most of the women are there for profit. Even a couple of those guys that married women from ADate will tell you that. There are sincere women there but, difficult to discern when paying per censored letter and chat are in play. The agency keeps you in a fog while picking clean your wallet

My advice is to quit throwing your money away there. They sell fantasies. Rather find one of the other sites where you have direct unfettered access to the women. Start the correspondence and introductions and get with it.

[Hammer2722]

Hi Bazz, I agree with others advice to give up on PPL and PPC sites. Here is a must read thread for you to use:
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[cc3]

I have the opposite experience of everyone here regarding PPL sites. I met my fiancee (not married yet due to all her registration records being lost in her Russian-barbarian destroyed hometown of Debaltseve) on line, on a PPL (aggregator) site three and a half years ago...in person, two years, nine months ago. I was sold (with her permission) her personal contact details after three paid letter exchanges...total expenditure: $62. We were intellectually in love through our nine months of email exchanges and, upon meeting physically, fell totally in love. She and her teen daughter are involuntarily displaced persons (IDP's) from Donbas and we currently reside together, very happily, in Lviv.

[ML]

I have the opposite experience of everyone here regarding PPL sites.

Yes, of course we all know it can happen.

With your luck, you should buy some lottery tickets also.

And since I have given you this 'investment' advice, please share your winnings.  :-))

[cc3]

Wilco.

[Patagonie]

Hi
New to all of this so bare with me
I have a few questions that seems fairly straight forward, I figure that dating sites like http://www.city-of-brides.net/ make money from the male during correspondence between prospective couples.
I figure also that giving or asking for personal email details is against the terms and conditions for these sites as in:

"You may not include in your Member profile as well as in your messages any telephone numbers, street addresses, last names, URLs or email addresses.  Exchange of personal contact information must be done only through Us, in compliance with this Agreement, other rules, terms and conditions established by Us, and with applicable law."

So my question is, how long must one be on, for example http://www.city-of-brides.net/ before the financial harness is lifted, and at what stage is this bridge crossed?
I could imagne myself spending a small fortune on letters and getting nowhere (especially if the woman involved was being paid to communicate)
Do women on this site get paid to communicate?
Cheers in advance
Bazza

They are just a go between, this is this type of smoke that you should cut first.
There is nothing behind, the only thing left, is your money ....
They have perhaps maximum 20 or 30 % of real girls' adresses (minus the ones who are married, have a BF, are dead, have changed of city .............since)
There is no prices, no services, nothing about meeting, just a full barrel of s...t

i was just searching some infos, it belongs to those affiliates ganga :
click here : http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/natasha-club-is-a-fraudualent-and-a-criminal-dating-site/

[Patagonie]

an other story of this ganga from the internet :
"OK, I have used Online dating Ukraine and Natashclub as they are the same agency / sites there are more linked to them. I did meet someone was cautious of the online scams (learnt from a mistake) etc. I sent flowers so knew she was real it cost just under 9 credits per letter.
I requested her details and got just and email address and that she was in Odessa. We decided to meet and I asked Online dating Ukraine to arrange a translator which they charged me $75 for and gave me a telephone number to sort it out myself!!! I thought fair enough $75 for translating our first meeting should be OK.
I sorted my own trip arranged the meeting, 20 mins before the meeting in Odessa I get a call advising me the translator charges $20 per hour!! NIce sting in the tail that was.
So my date does show and is light bubbly and happy to meet me and is beautiful. She eats like a horse ordering Sushi etc and that was the start of a gold digging experience that has cost me over $5000 in 8days!! an IPad and jewellery.
I am happy to go in depth on this if anyone wants to know more, but real women on ODK and NC yes. Scammers yes, site stupidly expensive yes. Should you avoid YES.
Dave"

[Boethius]

Dave doesn't sound too bright. 

[jone]

Hell, I always pay $20.00 per hour for translation services.  Seems fair to me.

[Boethius]

I wasn't referring to the translation fees.  I meant the $5000 shopping spree.  My better half wouldn't get that now!

[jone]

I know, Bo.  I was just havin alittle fun.

[Bazzwaldo]

Hey peoples
Thanks for your experience and valued input
I'll be looking through the suggested threads
I contacted them using connect4love@gmail.com yesterday and got this reply

There are 2 ways in getting contact info of the lady:

    Main procedure (recommendable). You need to open 15 replies from the lady to be able to request her contact details with no additional fee. Please go to her profile and press the button Request contact info which will appear after 15 opened replies.
    You can also apply for Expedite service: for 50 credits non-refundable fee we try to get lady's authorization to give you her contact details. If she says "no" then you just lose your 50 credits. That's why you should apply for this option if you're sure that the lady agrees to disclosure of her contact details to you and having at least 1 paid letter from her opened, as well as 50 credits on your account available.

If you are a US resident, you will also have to fill in the IMBRA form which is 40$ an administrative fee to proceed.


I hope other forum members benefit from the above information

The lady in question is 35 (and a right stunner) and is over 10 years younger than me
What piqued my curiosity with her is she:
1) sent a me smile (aparently this means she is interested in you)
2) She put my profile on her favourites list (not common from my limited experience as only 8 women have done this so far)
3) Initiated mail contact with me

The first 2 points are neither here nor there but her letter made mention of quite a few passages in my profile where as most "introduction letters" are just cut and paste dribble with my name at the top written by 20-29 glamours
I have had nearly 100 "introduction letters" and of them 7-8 have made serious intent on letting me know they have read it and are responding to me personally. Most of these women are more in my age bracket and also seem genuine

I see that she has sent another letter this morning, I haven't opened it yet as I'm curious to see what the forum suspects is going on

Cheers
Bazza

[LAman]

This sounds a lot like Natashaclub and First International.

[Faux Pas]

Hey peoples
Thanks for your experience and valued input
I'll be looking through the suggested threads
I contacted them using connect4love@gmail.com yesterday and got this reply

There are 2 ways in getting contact info of the lady:

    Main procedure (recommendable). You need to open 15 replies from the lady to be able to request her contact details with no additional fee. Please go to her profile and press the button Request contact info which will appear after 15 opened replies.
    You can also apply for Expedite service: for 50 credits non-refundable fee we try to get lady's authorization to give you her contact details. If she says "no" then you just lose your 50 credits. That's why you should apply for this option if you're sure that the lady agrees to disclosure of her contact details to you and having at least 1 paid letter from her opened, as well as 50 credits on your account available.

If you are a US resident, you will also have to fill in the IMBRA form which is 40$ an administrative fee to proceed.


I hope other forum members benefit from the above information

The lady in question is 35 (and a right stunner) and is over 10 years younger than me
What piqued my curiosity with her is she:
1) sent a me smile (aparently this means she is interested in you)
2) She put my profile on her favourites list (not common from my limited experience as only 8 women have done this so far)
3) Initiated mail contact with me

The first 2 points are neither here nor there but her letter made mention of quite a few passages in my profile where as most "introduction letters" are just cut and paste dribble with my name at the top written by 20-29 glamours
I have had nearly 100 "introduction letters" and of them 7-8 have made serious intent on letting me know they have read it and are responding to me personally. Most of these women are more in my age bracket and also seem genuine

I see that she has sent another letter this morning, I haven't opened it yet as I'm curious to see what the forum suspects is going on

Cheers
Bazza

You're being played

[BillyB]

I have had nearly 100 "introduction letters" and of them 7-8 have made serious intent on letting me know they have read it and are responding to me personally. Most of these women are more in my age bracket and also seem genuine

The ladies aren't sending you most, if not all, the letters. It's agency employees throwing them out and hoping one or a few of the ladies will get you hooked. Join some of the reputable sites we recommend and you'll learn you aren't as popular with the ladies but you will be dealing with real women.

The lady in question is 35 (and a right stunner) and is over 10 years younger than me
What piqued my curiosity with her is she:
1) sent a me smile (aparently this means she is interested in you)
2) She put my profile on her favourites list (not common from my limited experience as only 8 women have done this so far)
3) Initiated mail contact with me

The agency employees were successful in gaining your attention. I know some of these sites allow you to sign up without paying but you will have to pay when you open a letter. Did you invest any money in this company yet? If so, dump 50 credits on this lady to expedite the process in getting her contact info. You will also have to fork over $40 for that IMBRA fee. You really think the lady has the hots for you? I bet you won't get her contact info and you lose your money but it will help you move away from this agency faster. If you're really wise, you'll move on now. I know it's hard to move on when you believe your dream girl is writing you and you've got to take a chance to find out if she's really interested in you but at the agency you're at, she'll remain a dream.

[Bazzwaldo]

Hi
Again thanks for the input
"Did you invest any money in this company yet?"
Yes, in order to send her reply I had to buy credits:
From memory the options were:
10 credits  $20 US
55 credits  $60 US
100 credits $100 US

I opted for the 55 credits
Spent 7.75 to date
I haven't replied to her second letter yet (it appears I don't have to pay to reply)
She has since sent a third letter, I havent opened it as it now costs 8 credits to open
I must confess and say I am 99% sure I have been scammed, have no idea how to have my remaining money refunded

Later today I'm going to send a reply to the second letter (given its free) and tell "her" I'm suss, hide my email details and move on
Purchased credits using paypal, wondering if I can get partial refund????
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Bazza

[Faux Pas]

Hi
Again thanks for the input
"Did you invest any money in this company yet?"
Yes, in order to send her reply I had to buy credits:
From memory the options were:
10 credits  $20 US
55 credits  $60 US
100 credits $100 US

I opted for the 55 credits
Spent 7.75 to date
I haven't replied to her second letter yet (it appears I don't have to pay to reply)
She has since sent a third letter, I havent opened it as it now costs 8 credits to open
I must confess and say I am 99% sure I have been scammed, have no idea how to have my remaining money refunded

Later today I'm going to send a reply to the second letter (given its free) and tell "her" I'm suss, hide my email details and move on
Purchased credits using paypal, wondering if I can get partial refund????
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks for your help
Cheers
Bazza

Money refunded isn't going to happen. If you put enough time into emails and phone calls maybe you'll get half of it back. Forget it, move on and chalk it up to experience. If $60 bucks is going to break you or even make a difference, forget this pursuit. It's going to cost you much more than that when you actually find a woman you do want to marry. You got played by the fantasy sellers. Move on bruddah

[Bazzwaldo]

Hey Faux Pas
Agreed
Its not the money, its being played that stings my pride

Since I have buckleys chance of getting my money back I may as well use up the rest telling him/her the most amazing string of BS going
Cheers
Bazza