Ukraine v Russia Travel

[chivo]

Wiz,

let me put in simple terms for you. its not a big deal, again 1000 times, repeat after me..."its not a big deal".

if you get a 1 yr multi entry visa you can come and go with the same ease as Ukraine, just hop on a plane and wow...youre there. the process is ...now read this carefully....ABSOULTELY EASY, invitation and all. and if you want to just pop over getting cheap fares are all over the internet for a weekend trip, especially to Moscow and Piter. and for the weekend it means you dont even have to register, which would be the hardest part about it, yet not hard at all.

again bottom line to all who can breakdown English normally. it is not a big deal with regards to getting a visa. its not some time consuming process only special legislation from the government will provide.

go to Ukraine as i said if thats what you desire. again a 100 frigging times, its about dealing with a visa...and a 100 times ITS NOT A BIG DEAL. as evidenced by other posters who happen to agree and done it...understood!!

you yourself said you do planning before you come, why cant the visa be part of that planning? it has NEVER...do you understand NEVER been a problem for me and many others as their posts can attest to. its a very MINOR part of the whole process.

now as far as my political views, if you read other posts, my opinion was asked about why i hold certain beliefs, and therefore it was given.

again so YOU can understand. i know a visa is required to Russia. the discussion is about whether its a big deal or not and it isnt. its not about one country requiring it and another not. its about it being a BIG problem....and its NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats it.

it takes more money is agreed, but the cost difference in nothing as me and OTHERS besides me have pointed out, the invitation and all that is involved is SIMPLE...repeat after me SIMPLE. maybe not for you, but for anyone else who can add 2+2. not incredibly time consuming and not difficult. an extra issue YES!!!, but again for the millionth time not a BIG deal.

i would also suggest you go back and reread some of your previous posts and you tell me if youre consistant with what you say here. funny how you "seem" to take the high road when convenient. maybe Alzheimer's is starting to kick in, who knows?

hopefully you can understand the difference. if not i know a good translator here who knows martian.

RVR,

next time you head to Moscow give me a heads up. i know youre in Tver so youre not that far away. id be interested in coming up and checking it out there too. im sure we will be in touch. again let me know if/when you come to Moscow...the beer is on me . peace out.

Chivo

[coco]

Chivo,

Did you use to post on the old RWG?

[PeeWee]

ROFL! Dating yourself with that one Rvr! 

 As far as the Russia vs Ukraine goes I think that they are both going through growing pains and will continue to do so for many years to come. There are good and bad people in both countries. If you prefer one over the other then that is a personal choice and it is exactly how you should handle it. My wife is Russian so that causes me to lean in that direction. Other ladies are from Ukraine so I am sure that their husbands lean in that direction. When I was searching I was open to pretty much any of the FSU countries. Visa/No Visa, longer travel/shorter travel were little things. The important thing is to find someone that is right for you and you for her. Everything else are just details.

 For some the visa is no big deal for others it is. Another personal choice. Just like the WOVO vs WMVM. It ultimately boils down to "What works for you?"

Ken

Good advice. I have only focused on Russia and have not once search a profile for Ukraine women. One Belarus, one Latvia. Vladavostok, Moscow, and Astrakhan which means all other FSU have been spared from having to deal with me. I had been thinking Russian women all of the way. Honestly and without knowing thing one about Ukraine I had early on biased myself into thinking that for some reason Ukaine was the poor sister to Russia. Loaded with scammers just looking for a way out. So I avoid Ukraine. I realize that is wrong thinking but as a result I never looked there.

Peewee

[Jet]

Anybody who wants to travel to Russia needs to get an invitation first and then apply for a Visa, which of course requires planning, time and more money.

Is that simple for you?

If that is not an advantage of Ukraine over Russia when comes to travelling there then I am from planet Mars.

To be honest wiz,
I'd rather make a phone call to New York, print up a form, drop it, my passport, and a check into a fed-ex envelope two weeks before my trip, and have the flexibility of SEVERAL different non-stops daily, than to get stuck with long layovers and oddball connections taking me hundreds of miles out of the way and wasting precious hours that I could be spending on the ground "in country".  :noidea:
THAT to me is the advantage of travel to Russia over Ukraine - at least when travelling from the states...

[DonAz]

I am surprised that with all of the potential pitfalls, minefields, and hazards that can befall anyone in this adventure that something as insignificant as a visa would determine where you would go to find the right Lady.

DonAz

[BillyB]

I am surprised that with all of the potential pitfalls, minefields, and hazards that can befall anyone in this adventure that something as insignificant as a visa would determine where you would go to find the right Lady.

DonAz

Why stop with the visa issues? Visa or not, a lot of men won't write to any woman past Ukraine or Russia period. I thought most men were expanding their dating pool? Unless money is an issue, why short yourself?

My ticket to Uzbekistan is almost twice as much to Moscow and it's about a 24 hour trip each way. When I travel, I do spend a few hundred dollars to go through England/Armenia than through Russia because I don't want the hassle of trying to get two visas to go to Uzbekistan. The reason I would need a visa going through Russia is because I would have to leave Moscow's SVO2 international airport onto another to go onto Uzbekistan. Going through Armenia I don't need a visa since I don't leave the aircraft.

[DonAz]

Why stop with the visa issues? Visa or not, a lot of men won't write to any woman past Ukraine or Russia period. I thought most men were expanding their dating pool? Unless money is an issue, why short yourself?

My ticket to Uzbekistan is almost twice as much to Moscow and it's about a 24 hour trip each way. When I travel, I do spend a few hundred dollars to go through England/Armenia than through Russia because I don't want the hassle of trying to get two visas to go to Uzbekistan. The reason I would need a visa going through Russia is because I would have to leave Moscow's SVO2 international airport onto another to go onto Uzbekistan. Going through Armenia I don't need a visa since I don't leave the aircraft.

Billy-B~ You make a very good point and I completely agree with you. The point I was making is that in  the search, the visa limitations that some guys place on deciding where to go, does not make much sense to me.

I did not place ANY  limits as far as location is concerned.  I would have gone anywhere. Yulia just happens to be Russian and happens to be the woman I fell in love with. Could have happened anywhere, including here.

DonAz

[Bruno]

I did not place ANY  limits as far as location is concerned. 

If it not a problem of making limits... i have go to both country and some other... but in case of choice, for the same final result, people choice by reflex the more easy way, the more cheap way... of course, we speak of equal quality. So, it is a choice problem...

How much people visit lady to other side of Russia ( vladivostock by example ) ? Almost nobody... not easy to travel but this is compensate by a other advantage, these side of country is almost virgin of wife hunting man... not a big difference... Again, a problem of choice...

Some choice the usual easy way and find gold... a few, more adventurous, use non usual or more difficult way but they have more chance to find diamond... Some here speak over wife who are real jewel but they in find these jewel in some forget repubic or in middle or Siberie...

Like everything in the life, the return is almost always proportional to the investment...

Russia is more easy now but i remember the iron curtain periode, where i need register to police for go outside the city and receive a authorization ( sometime with a obligate "guide" )... each street outside city was controled by militia... this time is past, it is already more easy now and russia project to become more easy in the future, like Ukraine...

[Bruno]

Last news... Moldova follow the way of Ukraine...

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/prnt.html?NewsID=8807931

CHISINAU, May 25 (Itar-Tass) - Starting from 2007, Moldova will cancel visas for citizens of the European Union, the USA, Canada, Switzerland, Japan, Norway and Israel. A bill on that was approved by the Moldovan parliament.

According to the minister for foreign affairs and European integration, Andrei Stratan, the cancellation of visa requirements will contribute to a favourable decision of the European Union on the simplification of visa procedures for Moldovan citizens.

In June 2006, Moldova will hold negotiations with Brussels on the simplification of visa procedures for Moldovan citizens visiting EU countries.

It is believed that losses the Moldovan budget will suffer from the abolishment of the visa regime for the above listed countries will pay off through a flow of investments and the development of tourism in the country.

[PeeWee]

I am surprised that with all of the potential pitfalls, minefields, and hazards that can befall anyone in this adventure that something as insignificant as a visa would determine where you would go to find the right Lady.

DonAz

huh. That is what I was wondering about too. I stop at Red Star Travel. Give to them my passport and in about 2 days time I have my passport back with one visa included within.  It's more trouble for me to arrange for a haircut with my barber than it is for me go get a Russian visa.
Peewee