tver dating agency "" lifetimepartners.com""

[fred29]

things are set to change sometimes .......

being very suspicious by nature , i always considered that agencies
are meat market .....

that the best way to get to know a russian woman is to go to russia ,
and let it happen when you know the country , the peoples , the way
they think and so on ......!!

but not long ago , i have found an agency , so being curious and
suspicious , i start digging on the web , to see if it was the the
usual ""fast bucks"" agency .....

all reports said a good and honest agency

being at the same time a bit shy with love things , i kept on looking
for about 2 weeks at a few profile before throwing myself in the water
....

so as they give the advice , i pickedup 4 girls and send a message
"are they still availlable"

the first one was still "on offer" , but was matched but she was to be
taken away ""very soon"" the whole story started at the beginning of
may , now it is end of may , she is still on the site as "on offer"
..........(not a very good sign.....!)

the second one moved to moscow , so since she lives and works in
moscow , they said "" difficult to get in touch with her"" which souds
to me like = sorry mate , she is gone !!!! but she is still on the
website as being from tver and "on offer" ( again , not a very good
sign....!!)

the third one was availlable and looking ; so i asked wat is next ??
ok , a letter , i did a letter and ask peoples of agency if they had
any ideas if the letter was good or just plainly boring ??? they
answered with "no, it was a very good letter , unusual in a good way
and better than most letters we get "

they also told me that they phoned that girl to read the letter on the
phone , funilly enough ,i talk about pizza on phone but about human
feelings face to face ........but if it is their way of doing !!!

then i have been waiting for a while ( a few days) then asked the
agency "" did she come ??"" not as an answer to the fact that i would
interset her or not , but more in the way "" did she come ??" or "did
she make any effort to know??"

no answer !!!!!!

so i started to dig a litlle deeper in the web , and soon was to
discover a few comments from past customers whom were saying basically
="" it used to be very good , but now it seems to be a bit akward ""

so after waiting 12 days , which not lot in absolute but that girl is
not supposed to have a job ( on website she is described as ""
currently non employed "" ) which in my thoughts is largely enough
time in a town of 600.000 hab. in russia (where most of times public
transport is quite good ) to have a few minutes to change your life
...........

the same 12 days would be a bit short in a town like moscow , because
of the size of the town and the hectic way of life there .........

so a new message = no answer.......!!!

so finished for finished , gone for gone , i send them a sarcastic and
a bit nasty message ( text of message = answer me even if you have to
tell me ""get lost"" ......!!)

the answer came as :

she is concerned with your age , which is something very weird , on
website , she is looking for someone under 50 , i am 44 , if i
remenber well 44 is BEFORE 50 .......!!! strange ......!!!

they could have said something like = she found you not attractive or
she puked when she had a peek at your photo or she took you as a
jerk.......!!!

no, they came with that story about age ......!!

so i had a look on website , she is still looking for UNDER 50 !!!

conclusion : something which has been good in the past may become not
really good anymore

AND NO LIFETIMEPARTNERS.COM MAY NOT BE SO GOOD !!!!!

[fred29]

hello !

as a complement to the first post , i made up the direct link , because we are now the last day of May , and things did not move a iota ....!!!!

http://www.lifetimepartners.com/golden.php?where=all&id=1203&page=1 
   
maria , that the one looking for someone under 50 , WHAT you're 44 ??? that's much too old ....!! ;-))

http://www.lifetimepartners.com/girls.php?where=all&id=1191&page=2&age=2

julia, that the one with already someone in her life , at least since the beginning of the month ....!!

http://www.lifetimepartners.com/girls.php?where=all&id=1184&page=2&age=2

anastasia , that the one who moved to moscow , if i still know how to read , it's written from Tver !!

[KenC]

OK Fred,
We get it, You're not too happy with LTP. What else?

As I see it, you have very little to complain about regarding LTP. Maintaining a huge data base as they do, I understand what a difficult task it is to keep everything current. I think your complaints are unreasonable and minor. With all the years of good reliable service and a sterling reputation, I wouldn't think your bad luck with a very minor sampling (4) is cause for anyone to change their opinion of LTP. With all the out and out scamming agencies available, I hate to see someone trash one of the good ones. Maybe your 44 is too old for her. She didn't like you regardless of what she said in her profile, deal with it and stop whining.
KenC

[fred29]

sorry about  whining .....!!

i was making the point that if i made the step towards ltp , it was just because i saw quite a few site saying  "" ooohhh , that agency ???? one of the best !!!!""

i really wonder what are the bad ones , then .......:-))

you are going to say blabla bla  , you may be right .....!!

but even the adress of their office is not right ......!!
and it is not a huge database , their office adress , no???

[KenC]

Fred,
Let us review what I think you said: You selected 4 women to contact at LTP. You only detailed 3. What happened to the fourth one?
#1 Was involved with someone else and was close to matching with him- Too bad for you. You were too late to make your move. No problem with LTP, but your timing was off.
#2 Moved to Moscow- From what you wrote, they told you it is difficult to contact her, but they didn't say it was impossible. Many women move to Moscow from Tver and occasionally come back from time to time. Again, the woman exists and your letter will be probably be forwarded. It will just take more time because of the circumstances. Very understandable.
#3 Thought your 44 years of age was too old for her regardless that she listed 50 as her age limit. Get over it. No slam to LTP what so ever.
#4 You gave no details.
By the way, I see no problem in LTP reading your letter via the phone. In fact, I would think that that would be a sign of very good service. They could have set your letter aside and waited for the woman to come in to pick it up. LTP is not perfect, but they have always been honest and sincere which is saying a lot. For all the deceptive, dishonest and unscrupulous agencies out there, your complaints are minor. Keep trying and quit complaining. This is not an easy process. Maybe it is you that is not up to the task.
KenC
 

[fred29]

yeah !!

what ever you say ....!!

but i have been to russia 30/40 times for work , i think  i have quite a good idea about there .....!!!

you may be right , may be i am a lonely fish into an ocean of success .....!!!

but was i was pointing out is just the fact that everybody should be EXTRA carefull , and not to believe anything or anybody , but to experience by themself

something wich has been good may become not so good , no??

think of your car , you change it sometimes , after all those years of driving ........!! why ???

[BC]

30 or 40 times in RU for work and starting to use an agency now?

hmm..

[fred29]

buon giorno , raggazzo ...!!

well, when i go to russia , it is for work , not for anything else ......!!

i thought may be i should give a try .....!!

ciao

[BC]

well, when i go to russia , it is for work , not for anything else ......!!

Wow.. that's either too much dedication to job (which women don't like anyway) or a job I would quit LOL..  Even guys that I know that go there, live in separate work camps (oil industry) came back with RU/KZ wives.. btw I found that airports are great places to meet women.  Best place is the luggage pickup carousel in RU or anywhere else for that matter.. I don't know why but no one seems to want to help young ladies with those heavy bags.  It will get you at least a big smile and if she speaks a little english you will immediately know, have an 'in' and maybe more...  40 trips should be worth at least a couple of nice dates 

[andrewfi]

Like the man says, he is shy about personal relationships. There are people who need agencies to sort this kind of thing out for them. Not you, not me, but perhaps folks like Fred.

That said.writing off an agency because one's four picks were no-go seems a tad hasty. Also, and don't beat me up for this... Those three girls we saw were not exactly the bottom of the barrel. Given their likely options, how interested would they be in a guy who needs an agency to mediate that which most guys can manage for themselves?

[Maxx2]

  Best place is the luggage pickup carousel in RU or anywhere else for that matter..

Hey I found that a good techique too! The best way is to hang a sign on you stating you are available and sit on the carousal rotate around. Got to watch for luggage being dropped on you though 

[jb]

Maxx,

I remember seeing you with that sign,,, TFF,,,in fact, that was the absolute funniest thing I've ever seen in the FSU...

[Rvrwind]

If my agency was to get written off that quickly for such a little thing I think I would have to pack up my tent & leave Tver!!!
Fred, LTP is well known & well respected & very honest. They do their best to for all their clients. I do agree that there listings sometimes get outdated but that is because they have not the skills to work the website themselves & must rely on a third party to make the changes as they report them, unlike myself who manages my own website & can add or renove a profile within' minutes.
If anything bad could be said about them at all, that & the glamour pictures are all that could be said to be bad & really that is nothing.
I work with LTP & have worked for them & truly they are an agency with high standards. Either you misunderstood the situation or you caught somebody on a bad day. Also when you pick the cream of the crop to meet, you better also be the cream of the crop & because you are 44, don't mean you look 44. I've seen guys 44-45 who look older than me & I have 10 years on you. Dating women here or meeting them is no different than anywhere else.
Just because you like some smokin'hotkova doesn't mean she sees in you what she wants. I am a competitor of LTP & can honestly say they are a straight up agency that will not screw you over if you are sensible & use a iota of common sense & good manners.

[Bruno]

If my agency was to get written off that quickly for such a little thing I think I would have to pack up my tent & leave Tver!!!
...
Also when you pick the cream of the crop to meet, you better also be the cream of the crop & because you are 44, don't mean you look 44. I've seen guys 44-45 who look older than me & I have 10 years on you.

Richard, maybe he can date one of your lady, these at http://www.tverangels.com/home/1017.shtml ... she seek a man from 250 to 35 year old... 

Yes, typing error are usual in internet site too... this don't mean that the site is bad... simply inform the webmaster if you find something strange...

Richard, if it is not a typing error, inform your lady that the maximum genetic life experency is around 150 year... asking someone over 150 is a unrealistic expectation... Jooking

[fred29]

hello richard ....!

i think some deserve a bit of clarification :

first , i don't have any problems with women , i just never tried agencies before , that is the reason of being like a school boy shy .....!!

i don't look my age , off-course , i am an average joe , i hardly get noticed in a crowd , that is the case for 99 % of peoples......!!

my job is a passion , so  yes , it takes me lots of times , but i am getting retired when 45 , which  next week .......!!!

yes , i never tried agenies before , and definitely am not fit for this kind of stuff ...!!

actually what made me mostly mad about , was the simple fact that i had to pressure to learn "sorry , she's not for you !!""  which i understand perfectly well , the only thing :for how long did they know ??? why not telling straight away , i am (supposed) grown-up so no problem , not everything i see , i can possess .....!!

in such a case , i would probably prefer to see a few typing mistakes , than a few weird things as mentionned and if LTP is in this buisness since so long and still hasn't find a way to deal with web-designer , may be something is not really good in their bizz-plan .....!!

sorry for whining once again , i was just here to share a few toughts .......!!!

[jb]

Fred,

Since I've been hanging around these boards I've seen LTP go through 3 ownership changes.  Each of these owners have been members of these discussion boards and have made significant contribrutions to the overall wealth of knowledge to the community.  All of the owners I've known about are very honest men.  I personally have no experience with agencies, I never used one, but Doc Woody was a friend of mine during the time he owned LTP.  He is still down in Florida trying to cure cancer as far as I know, but he sold out to Marc Dayton & Friends a few years ago, (correct me if I'm wrong Rvr).  While Marc may not be the most literate guy in the world, and doesn't fit the mold as webmaster, no one has ever said he was anything but sincere and honest in his efforts to bring two people together.

I think what happened is you just picked out some attractive girls who have other fish to fry.  These women have a life outside of the marriage agency, they are not sitting by the phone waiting for Prince Charming to ride into town.  Bad luck perhaps, but you selected  3 or 4 women who were not, for whatever reason, available to you.  Why don't you make a phone call to Marc and tell him about you problems?  I'm pretty sure he will set things right and maybe even give you some tips about which girls might be good for you to date while you are in town.

Rvr is correct, your problems with LTP are very minor, certainly not worth a thread of LTP bashing.

[KenC]

But jb,
Fred picked those puppies in the window and they damn sure better be available!
KenC

[fred29]

yes , if they are on , it would be better that they could be availlable !!!!

on and age difference , if you can read russian , you could know that on russian women forums ,, the number 1 complaints is guys writing but never coming for any reasons .... and then N°2 complaints is that (some)  agencies publish profiles with age requests  absolutely not in any meaning of what the girls wants......!!!

[Bruno]

i pickedup 4 girls and send a message "are they still availlable"

One little question, have you pay some fee for send your message... since it was directed to the agency, i don't think... and they have honestly reply to you they have no lie and say that women was fully availlable to you )... so, i conclude that they have make a good service related to your original message and all this for nothing...

Choice 4 other and continue the process... until you find some ready to communicate with you...

These women have a life outside of the marriage agency, they are not sitting by the phone waiting for Prince Charming to ride into town.

Here, JB is right... some lady are in several marriage agency but when they find the "Prince", they don't inform other agency... sometime, they keep the ads online until a real commitment is realised... sometime, they are so long seeking that they forget about these ads... one have a month relation but she is not yet married ( how much men have not relation with girl but continue seeking ), one is difficult to contact but it is not impossible, and the last one have not interest in your ( it can happen )... so where are the problem...

Other speak of minor problem but i don't see any problem !

[jb]

Wow, Fred~!

Did you ever think that maybe the girls fill out a simple questionare when they register with an agency and may later change her mind?

Women do that,,, a lot. 

From your posts I'm beginning to think you are not from the USA or the UK, perhaps the girls you selected are not interested in emmigrating to wherever you live.  Many girls who are interested in a foreign husband have a target country in mind when they sign up, it might not be your age, it may be your location that turned them off.  Without more data, it's hard to pin down your problem, but I don't think the problem is with LTP, but with the women you picked out.

[KenC]

OK Fred,
It is time to tell you the truth. These women are all available, just not available to you! They are not puppies that have no say in who is going to pick them, they are real live human beings that have a choice. And they didn't choose you! One woman had a relationship going on that she didn't want to forsake for your attention. One moved to Moscow and your appeal wasn't strong enough to make her move back. Or even schedule a trip back. A third one thought you looked too friggen old for her. If LTP is guilty of anything, it is of being too kind to you. Deal with the rejection and move on or don't. But don't come on here and act like a child looking to blame others for your set backs.
KenC

[fred29]

hello bruno ...!!

why should i pay for something i can do very easily when i go to russia = looking at girls that won't be for me ......!!!
may be it is not a problem  at all , i say only i am not fit for agencies , for a first try = no luck !!

jb , yes you're right , i am not from the USA , thru i've been living there for a while .....
but just for the fun of it , i recall that i wrote to that girl that i have been travelling quite a lot , and for me (if she would be interrested in me ) i just would have any predominant place to stay , and that it was in my thoughts something that should be decided together = basically anywhere in the world , including russia , on the only condition to have a break in the middle of winter to a warm and nice place like mauritius and st barth or south africa ......!!!

there is only 4 countries in the world where i have never been , so basically for me , home is where i feel good ....!!!

[jb]

Fred,

The object of marriage to the traditional Russian woman is to have a home and build a family life within it.  If you are a what we call a "Fiddle Foot", you are probably not marriage material for most Russian marriage minded women.

I now fully understand why these women do not want to meet you.

[fred29]

jb ...!!

thanks a lot !! really ....!!

now , i know , russian women are not for me ......no problems , plenty of fish in the sea....!!

but i still don't see where it should be a problem to decide together of where you want to build your sweet home ........!!!

kenc , what is the reason of a forum , if there is only the good aspect of thing on it ????
it is supposed to be a place of free expression , i never said i am an example ....!!
YES , may be there is nothing wrong with LTP , may be whereis something wrong with me , may be it is only the girls .......???? who knows...??

i just mainly saying  keep your eyes open

[Rvrwind]

Times they are a changing!!!
Fred don't take what some of these guys write too literally, sometimes they like to get newbies twisting in the wind, but behind all that bluster they are a bunch of good guys just trying to help.
That being said I may have to change my previous post to read LTP used to be.....
Why do I say that now? Well I'll tell ya' & don't take it as gospel as I want to hear from the owner as well as you likely will after I tell you what I was told today. This was told to me by an employee of LTP so it is not as though I heard it on the street. Now whether it was told to me to get my reaction, which it most certainly got one, a negative one or whether it is the truth, I don't know at ths point. I was not told it in confidence & was not told not to pass it around & in fact this person person went on at length to defend the decision of the owner & what it boiled down to is $'s & that is the bottom line.
I can sympathize but I personally think overall it is not a good move.
Aparently LTP has joined the A-web family!!
That makes two agencies in Tver that are hooked up with A-web, not the most reputable agency in the buisness, but most certainly one of the big 3.
I guess what I am wondering is if this is the future, that sooner or later even the most reputable are to the point that if they wish to continue doing buisness they have to allow themselves to be swallowed by the big guys & start resorting to their tactics & style to remain in buisness.
I alluded to this a long time ago on the other board that if men continued to do buisness with company's of less than stellar reputations, that those of us that are honest are going to die a slow death & all you will be left with is the A-webs. Well here is proof if what I am told is fact & I hope Marc or Dennis will clarify. Another well reputed & thought of agency joins the ranks of those less stellar. Is that perhaps to be the fate of us all. Remember its you guys, the clients, that make us or break us, well it seems another good one has been broken.