Russian news

[2tallbill]

Russians Violating New START Arms Treaty
Moscow tried to deceive inspectors on missile cuts, U.S. says
BY: Bill Gertz

read all about it here
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russians-violating-new-start-arms-treaty/

[2tallbill]

Russia vs NATO: Putin’s military might could overrun NATO forces in 60 hours

read all about it here
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russia-vs-nato-putins-military-might-could-overrun-nato-forces-in-60-hours-defense-official-warns/news-story/abcacd7437387f2b8baf2d44820548f1

[2tallbill]

Note, the headline seems titillating but the story is not. They were reaching for a headline

Vladimir Putin reveals bedroom secrets in private conversation after not realising microphone is on

read all about it here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-reveals-bedroom-secrets-8146757

[Boethius]

Interesting interview with dissident artist Petr Pavlensky


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/11/russian-artist-petr-pavlensky-i-saw-the-machine-from-the-inside

[krimster2]

Penis Riot!

[Boethius]

French news, with a Russian background. 


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/11/england-and-russia-fans-clash-in-marseilles-ahead-of-euro-2016-g/

[krimster2]

Pravda reports that the fists of peace loving Russian sports fans have been attacked by the faces of British hooligans

[Boethius]

    It does appear, from reports, that the Russian hooligans were the first to attack, at least over the past two days.

[JayH]

   It does appear, from reports, that the Russian hooligans were the first to attack, at least over the past two days.

British hooligans have been in battle with any and everyone since they arrived 3 days ago.
The Brits were having a lively time singing to Russians!!
"England fans singing the Putin-khuilo (Putin is a dickhead) song"


Shameful scenes as Russian fans charge at England supporters inside the stadium after final whistle

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/video-shameful-scenes-as-england-and-russia-euro-2016-game-ends-in-shocking-crowd-


Russian hooligans hunt down England fans in sickening street battles in Marseille

Shocking scenes of violence have broken out again in Marseille as England and Russian fans have fought running battles in the streets.

A gang of 20 or so Russian fans all clad in black have been hunting the English in horrifying scenes - with one man filmed being punched and kicked on the ground as French police watched.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/england-russian-fans-fight-running-8166177

[TigerPaws]

Nuland to Congress: We Spend $100 Mil a Year Trying to Destabilize Russia (Video)Nuland’s opening statement was full of scare mongering about the supposed threat to peaceful civilization from Moscow. She did provide some telling facts. She said the US had already spent $600 million on “security assistance” to Ukraine – so on top of other billions in handouts from the IMF, most of which was stolen by oligarchs, that’s money going directly to killing kids in Donbass. (Warning, the foregoing link is very graphic. And there are many even worse images of Kiev’s terror victims I will not link to.)
http://republicbroadcasting.org/video/nuland-to-congress-we-spend-100-mil-a-year-trying-to-destabilize-russia-video/

[cc3]

Go troll somewhere else...or are you too busy beating up Brits in France?

[TigerPaws]

Go troll somewhere else...or are you too busy beating up Brits in France?

I could say the same about you.

So who is right?

[AkMike]

CC3 !

[krimster2]

"Nuland to Congress: We Spend $100 Mil a Year Trying to Destabilize Russia "

not all what was said in the video.
No... we spend money on things like Radio Free Europe so people in the FSU can here something besides how the CIA shot down flight MH-17 from RT, etc..  US AID has supported projects in Ukraine like energy efficiency by replacing inefficient street lighting with more efficient energy saving ones, by restructuring Ukraine's education system to more closely parallel Europe's, by building a Swine Flu testing lab in Odessa, etc.  only Putinites would call that "destabilizing Russia", BTW, if someone like you was in Russia right now freely expressing their opinion in opposition to their government, they would end up where Magnitsky did, or as Nemtsov, so it's nice being able to criticize your government, just don't dare do that in Russia, ponnelle?

[TigerPaws]

CC3 !

Are you certain? Who is right and or who is wrong?

Is there truly any right or wrong? Or is everything from a certain point of view?

[Boethius]

Hmm, let's see.

A bunch of Muscovites tied to the FSB and ultranationalist parties go to Donetsk, start a war with Russian funding, Russian weaponry, and Russian troops, and then Ukraine is to blame for "killing residents of Donbas". 

Yup, that sounds like it is "right from a certain point of view".

[Boethius]

not all what was said in the video.

Yes, the only thing she discussed vis a vis the US and Russia re Donbas was the effect of sanctions.  Nothing else in the video was remotely close to what the link stated was in that video.

[Boethius]

Nuland to Congress: We Spend $100 Mil a Year Trying to Destabilize Russia

Except she didn't say this.

)Nuland’s opening statement was full of scare mongering about the supposed threat to peaceful civilization from Moscow.

So "peaceful" it had invaded three of its neighbours, all unprovoked.

She said the US had already spent $600 million on “security assistance” to Ukraine

Except she didn't say this.

– so on top of other billions in handouts from the IMF, most of which was stolen by oligarchs, that’s money going directly to killing kids in Donbass.

Kids killed in Donbas are killed by the terrorists controlling the region.  You know, like the foreign ones they shot out of the sky.

[TigerPaws]

Hmm, let's see.

A bunch of Muscovites tied to the FSB and ultranationalist parties go to Donetsk, start a war with Russian funding, Russian weaponry, and Russian troops, and then Ukraine is to blame for "killing residents of Donbas". 

Yup, that sounds like it is "right from a certain point of view".

You are correct once again (apparently this is normal) "right from a certain point of view". Everything is viewed from a certain point of view.

Right and wrong are simply concepts depending on a persons point of view. Is it murder to kill 25 innocent people to get to 1 who is guilty? Is it right to allow thousands to die in order to keep a secret? Is it genocide to firebomb a city killing tens of thousands for no military gain, simply to see if it could be done?

Everything is a matter of perspective to someone, so what is right and what is wrong?

[Boethius]

LOL.  As if you are any different.   But please, continue gossiping about me in chat.  I suppose I should be flattered, but I don't really care, one way or another.

Normal countries do not interfere directly in the government of independent countries by means of violence.  And normal people don't cheer such actions on. 

[TigerPaws]

LOL.  As if you are any different.   But please, continue gossiping about me in chat.  I suppose I should be flattered, but I don't really care, one way or another.

Normal countries do not interfere directly in the government of independent countries by means of violence.  And normal people don't cheer such actions on.

Normal countries? Every major Power/Country/Empire on Earth interferes either directly or indirectly into the affairs of other Nation States. So what makes what is and has been happening now any different?

Please enlighten me as to which major world or regional power has not interfered in the affairs of others?

Violence is nothing more than interference by a more overt means, so what is "normal"?   

[Boethius]

Indirect interference is a fact of life.    Invading a country and killing tens of thousand of people, or hundreds of thousands, or millions is not.

For you to post that the US is responsible for the death in Donbas borders on treason. 

Yes, Euromaidan was instigated by Ukrainian oligarchs (not the US) for their own self interest.  But it grew beyond that.

Now please tell me, if you wish to quote history, would you rather be aligned with an imperfect country that gave us:
(a) the Magna Carta and the rule of law, or
(b) the ideals enshrined in the first amendement, or
(c)  the jailing of dissidents, including writers, poets, historians, and journalists, authoritarian and at times, totalitarian government, the cult of leader, and bureaucratic corruption like those in the worst third world hellholes.

Hmm, such a tough decision.

[TigerPaws]

Indirect interference is a fact of life.    Invading a country and killing tens of thousand of people, or hundreds of thousands, or millions is not.


For you to post that the US is responsible for the death in Donbas borders on treason. 


Yes, Euromaidan was instigated by Ukrainian oligarchs (not the US) for their own self interest.  But it grew beyond that.

Now please tell me, if you wish to quote history, would you rather be aligned with an imperfect country that gave us:
(a) the Magna Carta and the rule of law, or
(b) the ideals enshrined in the first amendement, or
(c)  the jailing of dissidents, including writers, poets, historians, and journalists, authoritarian and at times, totalitarian government, bureaucratic corruption like those in the worst third world hellholes.


Hmm, such a tough decision.

Well someone need to school you on the facts of history and the world as it is today. Unlike you I do not live in a fantasy world of what my opinion of right or wrong is.

Today the Rule of Law is a fantasy, as Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger once said:
"The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer."

People are killed without being charged with a crime, the U.S. Government calls this Extra Judicial Killings. Take Anwar al-Awlaki the first acknowledged American Born citizen to be specifically targeted and executed without formal charges by the U.S. Government.   

You speak of Rule of Law, where was the Law in his case? What about the people on the night of November 14^th 1940, the Luftwaffe attacked Coventry. 568 people were killed in the raid (the exact figure was never precisely confirmed), with another 863 badly injured and 393 sustaining lesser injuries.

Winston Churchill knew the exact time, place and strength of the attack, yet he made no effort to protect his own people in order to keep a secret.

The U.S. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) has been running secret operations into over 73 countries. Everything from kidnappings to targeted assignations and providing targeting for covert air strikes.

The U.S. along with several EU countries toppled Qaddafi in Libya which has led to untold death and destruction. 

The list of such actions is long and mostly classified.

In every society throughout history there has been and is corruption, so what else is new. Nothing can be or will be done about it.

In Vietnam the U.S. lost 58,220 U.S. military fatal casualties KILLED IN ACTION. For what? Evidence has come out that the original Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 2, 1964 NEVER happened.

What I want or do not want is irrelevant we live in the world as it is and I owe allegiance to no one except my wife and our daughter.

 

[Boethius]

Extremes are just that.  Extreme.  Let's look at life everyday.  In the UK or the US, a citizen can sue the government and can change laws because of that.  That is non existent in Russia today.


As someone with Ukrainian blood, I know my history.  I know exactly what awaits my people under Russian rule.  It's never been pretty, and that continues to today.  So, I'll take my chances with the help from the imperfectly ruled Brits, the EU, or the Americans.

[TigerPaws]

Extremes are just that.  Extreme.  Let's look at life everyday.  In the UK or the US, a citizen can sue the government and can change laws because of that.  That is non existent in Russia today.

As someone with Ukrainian blood, I know my history.  I know exactly what awaits my people under Russian rule.  It's never been pretty, and that continues to today.  So, I'll take my chances with the help from the imperfectly ruled Brits, the EU, or the Americans.

Your hatred of Russia comes across loud and clear but as I understand it you do not live in Ukraine. If I am wrong please correct me? 

The U.S. and by default the EU is just as much at fault for the issues facing the people of Ukraine. Ukraine is a pawn in a much larger regional strategy, being strategically located and offering the possibility of forward operating bases for western operations into the Middle East and beyond.

So both Russia and the U.S./EU made a play for power and both lost, as usual the people suffer. While you may fear the possibility of Russian oppression there will be no western salvation, so where dose that leave the people?