Russian news

[2tallbill]

Do men fall from the top of foreign consulates very often?
One man did story below.

Man, 63, falls to his death from Russian Consulate in NYC
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/man-63-falls-death-russian-consulate-nyc-article-1.2864098

[2tallbill]

Merkel takes a page from the American democrats and blames Russia for
interfering in their elections and creating false news. I'm not sure how they
can affect German news agencies maybe you can read the article below and
explain it.


Merkel warns of possible Russian interference in German vote
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33144429/merkel-warns-of-possible-russian-interference-in-german-vote/#page1

[Brasscasing]

Merkel takes a page from the American democrats and blames Russia for
interfering in their elections and creating false news. I'm not sure how they
can affect German news agencies maybe you can read the article below and
explain it.


Merkel warns of possible Russian interference in German vote
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33144429/merkel-warns-of-possible-russian-interference-in-german-vote/#page1

She shouldn't be too worried. If the Russians are tinkering it'll be in the frumpy frau's favor. She's Russia's best asset. An effective useful idiot for Putin and no doubt the Kremlin will have more need of her in the near future.

Brass

[msmob]

If the Russians are tinkering it'll be in the frumpy frau's favor. She's Russia's best asset. An effective useful idiot for Putin and no doubt the Kremlin will have more need of her in the near future.

Brass

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The Kremlin will be relying on the 'German Russians' and the far-right to punish Merkel .. is probably a more accurate assessment...



The 'useful idiot' (Merkel) has been a forthright supporter of continued sanctions against Vladimir Putin's government in Russia.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/05/russia-refugee-germany-angela-merkel-migration-vladimir-putin

[alex330]

Real smart move for the economy on Russia's part...

LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia


Amid a tense stand-off and attempt at negotiations, Russia’s communications regulator Roskomnadzor has started to enforce a proposed block of LinkedIn in the country, after the social network failed to transfer Russian user data to servers located in the country, violating a law instituted in Russia requiring all online sites to store personal data on national servers.



http://techcrunch.com/2016/11/17/linkedin-is-now-officially-blocked-in-russia/

[JayH]

More to come?

Putin is preparing to ban Facebook and Twitter in Russia

 http://www.amn.com.ua/blogy/putyn-gotovytsya-zapretyt-facebook-y-twitter-v-rossyy/

[alex330]

Yes, Russia is cutting themselves off from the rest of the World with the new laws aimed at housing and controlling the data in country.

[BillyB]

Yes, Russia is cutting themselves off from the rest of the World with the new laws aimed at housing and controlling the data in country.

Another theory is they're cutting their people off from the world. Don't want them to get facts outside of Russia in the case that Russia goes to war with Ukraine in a few years from now. Would look less suspicious cutting off social media now instead of during the war.

[mhr7]

Banning Facebook and Twitter is hardly cutting themselves off from the rest of the world. There are thousands of sites that provide news and information including Google, which has complied with Russian law. There are also many forms of communication with the rest of the world besides social networking sites. I'm not defending the law but let's not overstate the importance of Facebook and Twitter. Less than 1% of the Russian population was on LinkedIn.

[jone]

Banning Facebook and Twitter is hardly cutting themselves off from the rest of the world. There are thousands of sites that provide news and information including Google, which has complied with Russian law. There are also many forms of communication with the rest of the world besides social networking sites. I'm not defending the law but let's not overstate the importance of Facebook and Twitter. Less than 1% of the Russian population was on LinkedIn.

I agree with you, mhr7.  Moreover, the use of VK and Odnaklassniki provide acceptable social networking standards.  Lucky for the Russians VK is no longer owned by some West leaning copy catter. 

Google can operate within Russia and, aside from surfing trends, does not reveal too much personal information.  Facebook and Twitter, however, do have much more personal information available for FSB perusal. 

Efforts at controlling the internet is just one more instance of the Rodina trying to make sure that it has complete control over its inhabitants.

[alex330]

Banning Facebook and Twitter is hardly cutting themselves off from the rest of the world. There are thousands of sites that provide news and information including Google, which has complied with Russian law. There are also many forms of communication with the rest of the world besides social networking sites. I'm not defending the law but let's not overstate the importance of Facebook and Twitter. Less than 1% of the Russian population was on LinkedIn.

Linkedin is pretty important for many of the offshore Russian developer as far as networking.


Facebook is not only for social activities anymore. It is the largest marketing platform in the world. That will severely affect business for many.

[SANDRO43]

Lucky for the Russians VK is no longer owned by some West leaning copy catter.

For the past few days I've  been getting this when trying to access VK :

This site can’t be reached
vk.com’s DNS address could not be found.

[Anotherkiwi]

For the past few days I've  been getting this when trying to access VK :

This site can’t be reached
vk.com’s DNS address could not be found.

Works fine for me.

[msmob]

Lucky for the Russians VK is no longer owned by some West leaning copy catter.

Yeah right, now it is effectively controlled by the state ....

[papakota]

Real smart move for the economy on Russia's part...

LinkedIn is now officially blocked in Russia


Amid a tense stand-off and attempt at negotiations, Russia’s communications regulator Roskomnadzor has started to enforce a proposed block of LinkedIn in the country, after the social network failed to transfer Russian user data to servers located in the country, violating a law instituted in Russia requiring all online sites to store personal data on national servers.



http://techcrunch.com/2016/11/17/linkedin-is-now-officially-blocked-in-russia/

Linkedin works fine. Probably my Russian ISP didn't block it for some reason. Interestingly enough, it works under W10 and it doesn't under Ubuntu Linux. Well, I run a few servers under Linux, incl. DNS server (BIND9), so it's different. I don't understand what's the problem to keep personal information about Russians in Russia. I sent a message to Linkedin that I could help them, but I got no reply.

[alex330]

Linkedin works fine. Probably my Russian ISP didn't block it for some reason. Interestingly enough, it works under W10 and it doesn't under Ubuntu Linux. Well, I run a few servers under Linux, incl. DNS server (BIND9), so it's different.

Residential versus IP blocks allocated to a hosting company would make sense if I understand you correctly.

[papakota]

Residential versus IP blocks allocated to a hosting company would make sense if I understand you correctly.

Frankly, I don't know. I have a dual boot computer. Right now I'm on Windows 10 and I can get to Linkedin. B

[papakota]

Residential versus IP blocks allocated to a hosting company would make sense if I understand you correctly.

Frankly, I don't know. Right now I'm on Windows 10 and I can get to Linkedin fine. When I boot into Linux, I can't get to Linkedin and I see a warning page of Roskomnadzor. But I use my own DNS server on Ubuntu. Maybe that's why.

[JayH]

Frankly, I don't know. I have a dual boot computer. Right now I'm on Windows 10 and I can get to Linkedin. B

Funny how consistent you are in not getting the point of the topic.Topic after topic you simply don't understand.

This is not about any technical issue --it is about free speech and the access to information in Russia .

That removal is  very BAD NEWS FOR RUSSIA AND RUSSIANS

[msmob]

When I came across this thread, I thought that JayH was being OTT, so I tried to view a profile of someone I knew on LinkedIn - using a Russian IP
''Your IP address is: 37.112.63.123
Your IP Address Location: Bryansk in  Russian Federation
ISP of your IP: JSC ER-Telecom Holding''

I got this message

''
В соответствии с требованиями законодательства доступ к запрашиваемому Интернет-ресурсу
закрыт.
Интернет-ресурс запрещен к распространению судом и/или внесен в один из списков:
Федеральный список экстремистских материалов http://www.minjust.ru/nko/fedspisok/
Единый реестр доменных имен, указателей страниц сайтов в сети «Интернет» и сетевых адресов,
позволяющих идентифицировать сайты в сети «Интернет», содержащие информацию,
распространение которой в Российской Федерации запрещено http://eais.rkn.gov.ru/
Реестр доменных имен, указателей страниц сайтов в сети «Интернет» и сетевых адресов,
позволяющих идентифицировать сайты в сети «Интернет», содержащие информацию,
распространяемую с нарушением исключительных прав http://nap.rkn.gov.ru/ ''

Part of the translation

[THIS] Internet resource is prohibited and / or included in one of the lists:
Federal List of Extremist Materials http://www.minjust.ru/nko/fedspisok/

''Федеральный список экстремистских материалов
Статьей 13 Федерального закона от 25.07.2002 № 114-ФЗ «О противодействии экстремистской деятельности», пунктом 7 Положения о Министерстве юстиции Российской Федерации, утвержденного Указом Президента Российской Федерации от 13.10.2004 № 1313, на Минюст России возложены функции по ведению, опубликованию и размещению в сети Интернет федерального списка экстремистских материалов.
Информационные материалы признаются экстремистскими федеральным судом по месту их обнаружения, распространения или нахождения организации, осуществившей производство таких материалов, на основании представления прокурора или при производстве по соответствующему делу об административном правонарушении, гражданскому или уголовному делу.
Федеральный список экстремистских материалов формируется на основании поступающих в Минюст России копий вступивших в законную силу решений судов о признании информационных материалов экстремистскими.
При этом наименования и индивидуализирующие признаки информационных материалов включаются в федеральный список экстремистских материалов в строгом соответствии с резолютивной частью решения суда.
Обжалование решений судов о признании информационных материалов экстремистскими осуществляется в порядке, предусмотренном законодательством Российской Федерации.
Законодательством Российской Федерации установлена ответственность за массовое распространение экстремистских материалов, включенных в опубликованный федеральный список экстремистских материалов, а равно их производство либо хранение в целях массового распространения.''

So, linkedin is an extremist site or one that is used to disseminate material that is prohibited in Russia ?!

I can't help thinking that the likes of JayH have a point here...

Not that it isn't a cinch to get another nations IP address or better still have access to a PC in another country..

Certainly seems a bit big brother..

If any one who believes the Kremlin have a serious point to 'protect' their citizens ..I'd be grateful... This poster saw the UK govt. try to ban the opinion of extremists who are now Politicians - because of their links to the IRA... it simply didn't work...  I am against such stunts by any govt.

[papakota]

Again, the Russian government didn't want to close down Linkedin. It's a purely technical issue of obeying a Russian Federal law that requires personal information about Russian citizens to be kept on servers that are located in Russian Federation. Free speech has nothing to do with it. This whole issue can be solved in a matter of days. It's like a law in the US that prohibits buying alcohol if you're under 21 yo. Here it's 18 yo. Does that mean that Russia is more liberal than the US? No. It's just a law. Every country tries to protect its citizens, sometimes in a wrong way.

[alex330]

Again, the Russian government didn't want to close down Linkedin. It's a purely technical issue of obeying a Russian Federal law that requires personal information about Russian citizens to be kept on servers that are located in Russian Federation. Free speech has nothing to do with it. This whole issue can be solved in a matter of days. It's like a law in the US that prohibits buying alcohol if you're under 21 yo. Here it's 18 yo. Does that mean that Russia is more liberal than the US? No. It's just a law. Every country tries to protect its citizens, sometimes in a wrong way.

Yes, I read the law and process to learn more about it. Appears it started out to block kiddie porn or sites deemed vulgar. There is daily list each ISP much download daily to update it's files of blocked websites. Sounds like a simple DNS block from what you tell me, which I imagine most Russians who are pretty technical can get around anyways.


The issue would seem that personal data from non Russian citizens would need to be housed on Russian servers, not something many people are very comfortable with.

[msmob]

Again, the Russian government didn't want to close down Linkedin. It's a purely technical issue of obeying a Russian Federal law that requires personal information about Russian citizens to be kept on servers that are located in Russian Federation. Free speech has nothing to do with it.

Hmm, you living in Russia - you'll remember when Turkey's President wouldn't say 'sorry' for shooting down a Russian Jet that DID for a few seconds - fly over TR airspace - never mind that the Turks did / do the same basis re Greece / Cyprus - that RU media was all over him like a rash for blocking Twitter, etc.,

'Sorry',  but now he's had his false flag 'coup' and has used this to get rid of Political opposition - I'd don't read reports of righteous indignation from Kremlin ( mates of Kremlin ) controlled  media outlets...


Plenty of UK firms use servers based in the Indian sub-continent - that are supposed to be operation to EU regulations of Data protection - so NO - I cannot understand, nor agree with the Kremlin's stance... and certainly don't buy the laws reasoning as being the genuine reason.

Example: If I am popular on a social media site ... 3,000 plus followers - I must reveal my true identity or risk a fine or worse.... It's all getting very Orwellian


 

[papakota]

Sounds like a simple DNS block from what you tell me, which I imagine most Russians who are pretty technical can get around anyways.

The issue would seem that personal data from non Russian citizens would need to be housed on Russian servers, not something many people are very comfortable with.

Russia is not to blame that some stubborn and silly Linkedin CTO's don't want to obey the law of a country in which their web site operates. It's not the question how to bypass the block. Here in W10 it works fine. No need to do anything. Even on Linux, I'm pretty sure I could've found a way to bypass the block, but I don't need Linkedin that much now in my life. Why even bother?

The issue is that some guys here present it as a political action of a Russian government to disallow people in Russia to use that social network. Whereas it's a purely technical issue that can be resolved at the spot.

Why personal data of non Russians must be kept in Russia? It can be kept elsewhere. And I don't see any problem that my data was kept in Russia, even before I became a Russian citizen. Russians keep their data on US servers and no one complains. Why it should be any different the other way around? I haven't heard of a single case when Russian government misused personal data of foreign nationals. Also almost all the data are in profiles that are publicly accessible. Except for e-mail addresses maybe. Don't see much of a risk here anyhow.

[papakota]

And I disagree that I must apply for a tourist visa to enter the US. Who cares in the US about that? Why someone in Russia must care about your opinion about Russian law? You don't get it. It's not that information must be kept on government servers, it could be kept on my server. The server that my company owns as long as it's physically in Russia. What's the problem if my company were to keep your personal information? After all, some company in India or in the US keeps your information and it doesn't bother you. How is it different?