Parables to describe FSU countries

[Anathema]

None of which are universal.  Unlike in almost all other Western countries.  You did realize that didn't you (of course you didn't).

The U.S. is more regulated than it has been in the past, and is more regulated than many other Western countries.  That does not mean it is socialist, nor that such regulation means the end of the road for the U.S.

No, I just don't accept your version of reality.

Again, "on our way".  That pesky reading comprehension sure is getting in your way.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Don't get me wrong - the USA is a great country, and has achieved an incredible amount, but a nation of explorers it is not.  So many of your people seem content to stay at home forever, marvelling at their own country's wonders (which is fair enough), but never considering that there may be things in the rest of the world which are just as (or even more) marvellous.

You bring up being content as if it's a bad thing.  You are all over this board talking about how great your country is, yet seem to have a problem with people being content with their own. 


Over one third of American's have a passport.  That is far more than New Zealand's population.

I'd written that, but didn't have time to hit the "Send" key first!

That is what happens when you spell checking everyone.  You end up late to the party. 

[AC]

The US doesn't have colonies.   Nor does it have a strong union, or even left, culture.  What Americans consider "left" politically is right wing, or, at best, centrist, in most of the rest of the Western world.

Uh, no.  Absolutely untrue.  Barrack Hussein Obama is not only a Socialist, he is really a Communist at heart.  If he had his way this country would already be totally enslaved by the new, better PC version of Communism.

In some ways Russia is correct about the USA and NATO trying to impose certain values, which much of the World does not share with the new PC version of America.

[Boethius]

Barrack Hussein Obama is not only a Socialist, he is really a Communist

I doubt it, but if he is, it's irrelevant, as he has not implemented communist policies (absent any role of Congress).

[AC]

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At one point, the Brits controlled over half the world.  That has never been the case with the U.S.

We are currently involved in the affairs of over 200 countries around the World.  We have large military bases in strategic places around the World.  While what we are doing all over the place is crouched in PC language, I would say we are very much similar to the British Empire at their height.  In fact the government of the USA is modeled after an even older empire; the Roman Empire.

Why are we in over 200 countries?  No doubt to protect American interests.  Economic and Political interests.

[Boethius]

You bring up being content as if it's a bad thing.  You are all over this board talking about how great your country is, yet seem to have a problem with people being content with their own. 

Are you telling me you are content in a country which:


1.  Is practically socialist, and virtually on the road to collapse; and
2.  Is filled with nothing but fat, ball busting feminists, thereby requiring its manly men to search abroad for suitable mates.


How could that possibly be?

[AC]

He tried to have gun control, which the Soviets had, and he succeeded at having governmental control of healthcare.  Those are always the first two steps.  The third step is total control of the press, and considering that 95% of the press in the USA is left-wing, few people can clearly see or think for themselves. 

Take H. Clintons appearance in Iowa.  She makes a big deal of claiming to be for the "little person".  Not even remotely true.  No regular persons were allowed anywhere near her.  Only the press was allowed inside the building of her press conferences.  It's a totally controlled alternate version of reality, but like our Russian friends who believe their version of propaganda, most Americans believe the left-wing press version of reality.

[Boethius]

We are currently involved in the affairs of over 200 countries around the World.  We have large military bases in strategic places around the World.  While what we are doing all over the place is crouched in PC language, I would say we are very much similar to the British Empire at their height.  In fact the government of the USA is modeled after an even older empire; the Roman Empire.

Why are we in over 200 countries?  No doubt to protect American interests.  Economic and Political interests.

The US is still a relative baby in terms of empire.  Plus, it is not the only country involved in those 200 countries. 

[Boethius]

He tried to have gun control, which the Soviets had, and he succeeded at having governmental control of healthcare.  Those are always the first two steps.  The third step is total control of the press, and considering that 95% of the press in the USA is left-wing, few people can clearly see or think for themselves. 

Take H. Clintons appearance in Iowa.  She makes a big deal of claiming to be for the "little person".  Not even remotely true.  No regular persons were allowed anywhere near her.  Only the press was allowed inside the building of her press conferences.  It's a totally controlled alternate version of reality, but like our Russian friends who believe their version of propaganda, most Americans believe the left-wing press version of reality.

I don't think you can equate any of Obama's policies with communism, at least, not how it was practiced.


The US media is not primarily left wing.  It is mostly corporate owned, which also is not a good thing.

[AC]

Are you telling me you are content in a country which:


1.  Is practically socialist, and virtually on the road to collapse; and
2.  Is filled with nothing but fat, ball busting feminists, thereby requiring its manly men to search abroad for suitable mates.


How could that possibly be?

1.  Both parties are currently quite similar, at least the main-stream versions of each.  In fact I would say that the USA is actually a weird blend of fascism and socialism, which is what I posited to Larry up thread.

2.  No, most guys just take what they can get.  If it means being with a fatter, less feminine woman then they might find overseas; they don't really know any better.

 

[AC]

I don't think you can equate any of Obama's policies with communism, at least, not how it was practiced.

A primary tenet of Communism is total complete authoritarian control.  Submit or (in the Soviet Union) face a violent death in a Gulag, or at best economic ruin.

A current tenet of PC Marxism in the USA is the violation of Religious rights, which our country was founded upon.

It doesn't matter to the new government masters or to the screeching "Liberal" left-wingers that a gay couple could get services from 20 other service providers for their gay wedding for catering, flowers and photography -- no they are the bigots, who want to force the one rare religious person who owns a business but does not want to be involved in a gay wedding, to either do it (complete and total submission to a gov't authority, rather than religious freedom) or face total economic ruin.

It's a creeping lack of freedoms, and it's total control which is the final goal.

[LiveFromUkraine]

A primary tenet of Communism is total complete authoritarian control.  Submit or (in the Soviet Union) face a violent death in a Gulag, or at best economic ruin.

A current tenet of PC Marxism in the USA is the violation of Religious rights, which our country was founded upon.

It doesn't matter to the new government masters or to the screeching "Liberal" left-wingers that a gay couple could get services from 20 other service providers for their gay wedding for catering, flowers and photography -- no they are the bigots, who want to force the one rare religious person who owns a business but does not want to be involved in a gay wedding, to either do it (complete and total submission to a gov't authority, rather than religious freedom) or face total economic ruin.

It's a creeping lack of freedoms, and it's total control which is the final goal.

I take it you have no problem refusing service based on race either.  Do you consider that another lost freedom?

[AC]

I take it you have no problem refusing service based on race either.  Do you consider that another lost freedom?

Nice try.  Race is not a sexual practice.  Furthermore not wanting to do a wedding is a discretionary decision, it's not refusing service at the place of business.  Those are two distinct things.   

Also, when certain Churches have tried to force gay acceptance on black congregations, they have rejected this.  Most blacks don't like your comparison, but it doesn't stop certain low-brow low-IQ "liberals" from trying.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Nice try.  Race is not a sexual deviancy.  Furthermore when certain Churches have tried to force gay acceptance on black congregations, they have refused and rejected this.  Most blacks don't like your comparison, but it doesn't stop certain low-brow low-IQ "liberals" from trying.

No, you're talking about discrimination and discriminating people based on race or religion is the same.  If you want to do business, in the US, you cannot discriminate.  No one is making you or anyone else set up shop.  If you can't handle it based on your religious beliefs, you shouldn't be in business.


Most blacks, eh? This must be one of those fibs you are known to post.  I love how people try and hide behind religion in order to push their hatred yet be the first to break those beliefs when it suits their needs. 

[AC]

No, you're talking about discrimination and discriminating people based on race or religion is the same.  If you want to do business, in the US, you cannot discriminate.  No one is making you or anyone else set up shop.  If you can't handle it based on your religious beliefs, you shouldn't be in business.


 Most blacks, eh? This must be one of those fibs you are known to post.

Nope, wrong answer.  You should move to Cuba or somewhere where you can be told what do to by the authorities.  Religious freedoms are enshrined both in our Constitution and in our practice.  You really don't care about the ability of a gay couple to go to the many service providers who will do their ceremony, you just want to force the one rare one who won't do it, to either do it or face total economic ruin.

I suggest you join ISIS.  They have a similar totalitarian version of how they want the World to behave.

[Anathema]

The US media is not primarily left wing.  It is mostly corporate owned, which also is not a good thing.

Lol holy shit, you are more clueless than I originally thought if you actually believe that.  There is absolutely no denying that the majority of US media leans primarily to the left.  CNN themselves had controversy in 2013 when one of their anchors admitted the Obama administration threatened journalists that made Obama look bad.

In February of this year MSNBC came out and said they're moving away from their liberal slant.

There's numerous stories like that.  It's not a secret; liberals boast about it all the time.

The more you post, the more you show how little you know.

[LiveFromUkraine]

Nope, wrong answer.  You should move to Cuba or somewhere where you can be told what do to by the authorities.  Religious freedoms are enshrined both in our Constitution and in our practice.  You really don't care about the ability of a gay couple to go to the many service providers who will do their ceremony, you just want to force the one rare one who won't do it, to either do it or face total economic ruin.

I suggest you join ISIS.  They have a similar totalitarian version of how they want the World to behave.

Nope, you are wrong.  Just look at the businesses who tried to discriminate to see why.  I care about discrimination.  Hiding behind religion is just another way for hateful idiots to do so.


Again, no one is forcing anyone to open up a business.  They don't need to do so if they don't want to follow the laws.


I would say you would fit along with ISIS.  They tend to lie a lot as well.   Like I said, people like you hide behind religion only to break those beliefs when it suits your needs. 

[Larry1]

Lol holy shit, you are more clueless than I originally thought if you actually believe that.  There is absolutely no denying that the majority of US media leans primarily to the left.  CNN themselves had controversy in 2013 when one of their anchors admitted the Obama administration threatened journalists that made Obama look bad.

In February of this year MSNBC came out and said they're moving away from their liberal slant.

There's numerous stories like that.  It's not a secret; liberals boast about it all the time.

The more you post, the more you show how little you know.

Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, and West European leftists are more hard left than American leftists. They love their Human Rights Commissions and other totalitarian organs by which they enforce their will upon the rest of us. Quaint rights like freedom of expression be damned.

They remind me of that saying in the US in the 1930s that communists were simply liberals in a hurry.

[Boethius]

Lol holy shit, you are more clueless than I originally thought if you actually believe that.  There is absolutely no denying that the majority of US media leans primarily to the left.  CNN themselves had controversy in 2013 when one of their anchors admitted the Obama administration threatened journalists that made Obama look bad.

In February of this year MSNBC came out and said they're moving away from their liberal slant.

There's numerous stories like that.  It's not a secret; liberals boast about it all the time.

The more you post, the more you show how little you know.

Journalists may be more left wing than right, but you are the one who is clueless.  Lots of stories get buried because they don't suit corporate interests - the corporations who control various types of businesses, including media.   There are plenty of examples of stories that have been buried because Viacom (as one example) did not want to piss of a GOP dominated House.   


If you believe the journalist's views are relevant in that, then you are not very bright.


BTW, there is plenty of right wing media in the U.S.

[Boethius]

Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, and West European leftists are more hard left than American leftists. They love their Human Rights Commissions and other totalitarian organs by which they enforce their will upon the rest of us. Quaint rights like freedom of expression be damned.

They remind me of that saying in the US in the 1930s that communists were simply liberals in a hurry.

I can't speak for others, but that is not true in Canada.


Human Rights Commissions deal primarily with denial of services.  There are plenty of cases on hate legislation, and a good deal of case law in that area.  The leading cases are Zundel and Keegstra, with the latter being the seminal case

[AC]

Nope, you are wrong.  Just look at the businesses who tried to discriminate to see why.  I care about discrimination.  Hiding behind religion is just another way for hateful idiots to do so.

Again, no one is forcing anyone to open up a business.  They don't need to do so if they don't want to follow the laws.

Heil to "live from Ukraine the Kremlin" and his totalitarian version of how the World should be!!! 

You care so much about "discrimination" that you want to discriminate against a Christian exercising their rights, as enshrined in the United States Constitution the final authority on the laws of this land.

Nice try Einstein, but you should go back to grade school.  Then join ISIS.  They love haters.

[Anathema]

Journalists may be more left wing than right, but you are the one who is clueless.  Lots of stories get buried because they don't suit corporate interests - the corporations who control various types of businesses, including media.   There are plenty of examples of stories that have been buried because Viacom (as one example) did not want to piss of a GOP dominated House.   


If you believe the journalist's views are relevant in that, then you are not very bright.


BTW, there is plenty of right wing media in the U.S.

Lol ah, big bad corporations are the problem.  Right out of the liberal handbook.   

Give me a break. 

[Anathema]

Apologies to Larry.  This started out as a light hearted and funny thread that turned into another political shit fest.  I take responsibility for dragging it down that direction.

[AC]

Lol ah, big bad corporations are the problem.  Right out of the liberal handbook.   

It is classic, isn't it!  Let's replace those damn corporations with governmental control; after all the gov't really has our best interests at heart!  No really!

Meet up later at McDonalds corporation.  Send text messages for the invite on Samsung phone with ATT service.  Drive there in your Nissan. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Heil to "live from Ukraine the Kremlin" and his totalitarian version of how the World should be!!! 

You care so much about "discrimination" that you want to discriminate against a Christian exercising their rights, as enshrined in the United States Constitution the final authority on the laws of this land.

Nice try Einstein, but you should go back to grade school.  Then join ISIS.  They love haters.

You're not the sharpest tack.  Probably why you need to make up stories in order to sound more interesting.  Funny you fail at that as well.


You seem to be grasping at straws here.  No one is taking their religious rights away.  They don't need to open a business.  If they do, they need to follow the laws.   For some reason you think you can open up a business and only serve white males who lie about being in the service and make up stories about traveling to Ukraine.