Russia says Canada's decision to send troops to Ukraine "deplorable"

[fathertime]

Moby, threads go off track all the time.


LT, I think all four countries are sabre rattling to a degree.  China has also chimed in, saying the North Pole doesn't belong to any of the four nations, and belongs to everyone.  So, who knows?

I agree with China on this one....no individual nations should try to control the north pole and it's potential resources to the exclusion of other nations.   


Fathertime! 

[msmobyone]

I agree with China on this one....no individual nations should try to control the north pole and it's potential resources to the exclusion of other nations.   


Fathertime!

 

There you go again, missing the Chinese hypocracy in the South China Sea - clue :Spratly's

[fathertime]

There you go again, missing the Chinese hypocracy in the South China Sea - clue :Spratly's

I've been on that case for a long time so I'm not missing it.  That said, I do agree with their stance regarding the North Pole and the polar regions in general.   


Fathertime!   

[Belvis]

Right now Russia is winning the information war. Propaganda or not, they are winning and the West isn't working as hard to educate people to change their minds.

If Russia is winning then logical conclusion follows that they exploit the truth rather than propaganda.  West also says the truth sometimes in spite of hypocrisy culture.
Recent public performance of George Friedman about what's going around Ukraine and strategy of US there:


Short info about George Friedman: he is the Chairman of Stratfor, a company he founded in 1996 that is now a leader in the field of global intelligence.  From Wiki: Barrons' Jonathan Laing has called Friedman "one of our favorite experts on geopolitics," saying, "His judgments tend to be more nuanced and long-term than those of the press or Wall Street."

I think Friedman's statements complies almost fully with Russian views on the conflict.

As for Canadian military instructors the  situation looks symmetrical. Russia sent her aides to create regular army of rebels, West is sending their instructors to train Ukrainians. Ukrainians kill each other as result of Anglo-Saxon/Russia global confrontation on the Ukrainian soil.

[mendeleyev]

Short info about George Friedman: he is the Chairman of Stratfor, a company he founded in 1996 that is now a leader in the field of global intelligence.

(Yawn) Friedman is in general an idiot loudmouth. He loves to hear himself talk.

I think Friedman's statements complies almost fully with Russian views on the conflict.

Actually, I do not think that you do, Belvis. You agree with the parts of his talk that were not edited out. Any guess as to why this was so heavily (and poorly from a technical perspective) edited?

Ukrainians kill each other as result of Anglo-Saxon/Russia global confrontation on the Ukrainian soil.

Still haven't yet traveled yet to the East, have you? No, they are killing Russian occupiers and if the Russians keep coming, may our sovereign and Orthodox King grant more victory to Ukrainians over their Russian enemies. Sadly, I am forced to pray for more zinc caskets to be shipped in waves back to Russia. May God grant peace as no one wants the fighting aggressors to continue.

[mendeleyev]

I understand Russia's desire for a buffer zone. But when you steal territory from a country that you wish to be "neutral" and when you threaten other neighbors sovereignty like Belarus and Kazakhstan, then it proves that you haven't a frackin' clue about what constitutes a buffer zone.

What Mr. Putin understands, but cannot allow to happen, is that Ukrainians look to Poland and the Baltics, and there they seen more stable economies, fairer justice systems, and the rooting out of systemic corruption. They they turn to the big Bear on the border, and only the mentally retarded would fail to see the lack of a future by remaining in Russia's shadow. Putin could create a much larger economic bloc, and even deal a serious blow to the EU dominance. But he would have to come clean, to allow more freedoms, and to take a stand against corruption. As he benefits from the current system however, he is a dinosaur that cannot change, but faces extinction if he does not.

[Belvis]

(Yawn) Friedman is in general an idiot loudmouth. He loves to hear himself talk.

My guess is you view everybody who does not share your point as idiots. In any case the idiots may say aloud what the establishment feels shy of.

You agree with the parts of his talk that were not edited out. Any guess as to why this was so heavily (and poorly from a technical perspective) edited?

I would appreciate if you say more specifically what you meant. For example, cite Friedman's phrase I should not agree with.

No, they are killing Russian occupiers and if the Russians keep coming, may our sovereign and Orthodox King grant more victory to Ukrainians over their Russian enemies. Sadly, I am forced to pray for more zinc caskets to be shipped in waves back to Russia. May God grant peace as no one wants the fighting aggressors to continue.

Pretty strange for a Christian to pray for  more zinc caskets. Have you  fallen under the influence of some sect? Either way we did not see here in Russia the flow of zinc caskets.  A few hundreds of dead Russian volunteers and a few tens of dead Russian regulars are completely lost in total homicide statistics. So changing  traffic rules has much more effect on death-rate in Russia than your prays.

[sleepycat]

So changing  traffic rules has much more effect on death-rate in Russia than your prays.

Probably changing the drinking habit in Russia will have even more of an effect on the death rate...

[msmobyone]

Pretty strange for a Christian to pray for  more zinc caskets.

I think you need to re-read his words - you are either mistaken or twisting them ..Neither does you much credit...

It is indeed sad when two Orthodox Christian leaders are stating 'God is with them' ...

[lordtiberius]

Give me a break.

You sideways attack on Christianity on the whole would be more effective if it weren't obvious you are an enemy to Christianity.  Or perhaps you feel both sides are wrong? And good Christians never get mad or are allowed to express anger?  Who needs the Russians when they have allies with no moral compass?

[Anathema]

As for Canadian military instructors the  situation looks symmetrical. Russia sent her aides to create regular army of rebels, West is sending their instructors to train Ukrainians. Ukrainians kill each other as result of Anglo-Saxon/Russia global confrontation on the Ukrainian soil.

It's not symmetrical. There would be no need for all the training if Russia hadn't invaded. One thing caused the other.

Volunteers or otherwise, I hope they stack Russian bodies to the sky.

[AC]

What Mr. Putin understands, but cannot allow to happen, is that Ukrainians look to Poland and the Baltics, and there they seen more stable economies, fairer justice systems, and the rooting out of systemic corruption. They they turn to the big Bear on the border, and only the mentally retarded would fail to see the lack of a future by remaining in Russia's shadow. Putin could create a much larger economic bloc, and even deal a serious blow to the EU dominance. But he would have to come clean, to allow more freedoms, and to take a stand against corruption. As he benefits from the current system however, he is a dinosaur that cannot change, but faces extinction if he does not.

Very well said.   

[AC]

I was just joking but you're right.  Sad but true.

Unfortunately I don't think the majority of the west cares.  Outside of our little niche community, the majority of Americans (for example) couldn't find Ukraine on a map, let alone care about the country or people there.

The politicians are too busy masturbating to their  campaigns.  They're not going to be pushing for war heading into an election.

I don't think education is going to change anything.

While this is certainly true today, I believe the situation is going to heat up dramatically in 2017 and then suddenly Americans will be scrambling to look at maps and figure out where Ukraine is.

[mendeleyev]

Belvis:

My guess is you view everybody who does not share your point as idiots.

It is ironic that those who disagree with my views on this conflict just happen to be idiots. Coincidence, perhaps? But I digress.

George gave an opportunity evaluate a report that he authored last year on the annexation. He had just traveled to Moscow where he held court for a couple of days, listening to the Russian version of that event. He returned home, wrote a one-sided report, and then was dumb enough to allow me to chime in.

I chimed in. I chimed in so hard that his peeps declined to publish my evaluation. I was not totally surprised, to be frank.

So, yes, he is sometimes, not always, a numbskull who likes to hear himself talk.

[lordtiberius]

Belvis:
It is ironic that those who disagree with my views on this conflict just happen to be idiots. Coincidence, perhaps? But I digress.

Hilarious!

Lol funny

[lordtiberius]

US Troops closer to Russian borders.  The Americans in the former Soviet Union.  The 173rd Airborne in Lvov, Ukraine.

[Boethius]

L'viv.  ( Львів)

L'vov (Львов) is Russian.

[Donhollio]

I was just joking but you're right.  Sad but true.

Unfortunately I don't think the majority of the west cares.  Outside of our little niche community, the majority of Americans (for example) couldn't find Ukraine on a map, let alone care about the country or people there.

 There are lots of Americans that can't find the US on a map! Anathema always enjoy the Canuck stereotypes. But please when you say niche pronounce it properly, it's neech, not nitch! Don't get me going on the foyer either! 

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/50-incorrect-pronunciations-that-you-should-avoid/



http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?foyer002.wav=foyer

 

[Anathema]

Hahaha good to see you here, Don.  You know I can't talk about my northern neighbors without giving you all some shit.

You all do good work.  You make Lord Bieber proud. 

[Boethius]

(Yawn) Friedman is in general an idiot loudmouth. He loves to hear himself talk.[

Actually, I do not think that you do, Belvis. You agree with the parts of his talk that were not edited out. Any guess as to why this was so heavily (and poorly from a technical perspective) edited?

I listened to the whole talk, which is here.





I don't think Mr. Friedman is an idiot, his talk was quite good.  I didn't watch Belvis' clip, but I did read his comments, and I agree with you, his speech does not support the Russian view of the conflict.  I disagree with his analysis on language, as language is not really an issue in Ukraine.  Neither is whether someone is Russian or Ukrainian, contrary to what the Russian media portrays.  However, Mr. Friedman is right about Ukraine asking for US help, and that the US has stood in where Europe has again failed.   That is not what the Russian position is.

[Boethius]

Listen from 49:00, Belvis.  I doubt that reflects the Russian position.

[msmobyone]

L'viv.  ( Львів)

L'vov (Львов) is Russian.

or Lwów in Polish ... as it was 'stolen' from Poland in the The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact .... 

[Belvis]

Listen from 49:00, Belvis.  I doubt that reflects the Russian position.

I did not say about Russian position. My fault, I should express more clearly. I said about Russian views on US position, about what we think as to US motivation and involvement in Ukraine affairs.
I don't think Friedman has magic ability to forecast Russia, if even Mendy who lives years in Moscow does not catch the basic mentality of Russian politics. However I suppose Friedman reflects the views of the American political establishment, at that not masked or screened views.

[Muzh]

I did not say about Russian position. My fault, I should express more clearly. I said about Russian views on US position, about what we think as to US motivation and involvement in Ukraine affairs.
I don't think Friedman has magic ability to forecast Russia, if even Mendy who lives years in Moscow does not catch the basic mentality of Russian politics. However I suppose Friedman reflects the views of the American political establishment, at that not masked or screened views.

In a few words, can you describe "the basic mentality of Russian politics?"

[Belvis]

In a few words, can you describe "the basic mentality of Russian politics?"

OK, but don't ask to elaborate 

The basic mentality can be represented as erratic fluctuation between messianic urge to change the world and struggle with feeling of insecurity.