What does Putin want?

[AC]

I can't view any video on this computer. The point is not that there are nazis, of which there are in all western countries as well as in Russia. The point is that they are actively used by the puppet Kiev regime and indirectly supported by western countries. They are not used or supported in Russia.

Hmmm.  Well it is true that the USA did have a history of working with fascists and Nazi's from WWII, as a way to neutralize the influence of the Soviet Union.  This history causes much confusion.  Here's an article you may like.


http://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret/


excerpt

"There’s not very many Americans that really even know that the Waffen SS was a multinational force. That’s been kind of kept out of the received history. Otherwise people would know that there were Ukrainian Nazis, Hungarian Nazis, Latvian Nazis, and they were all involved in the mass murder of their fellow citizens, if they were Jewish, or even if they were co-nationalists that were on the other side of the issue of the war. They were just mass murderers, across Eastern Europe. And that history, those facts aren’t even well-known. A lot of people didn’t even know this phenomenon even existed".

[Boethius]

I know that.  But don't you also have Russian citizenship?

[SANDRO43]

I can't view any video on this computer.

Because it's not vaccinated and doesn't drink fluoridated water .

[The Natural]

Hmmm.  Well it is true that the USA did have a history of working with fascists and Nazi's from WWII, as a way to neutralize the influence of the Soviet Union.  This history causes much confusion.  Here's an article you may like.


http://fpif.org/seven-decades-nazi-collaboration-americas-dirty-little-ukraine-secret/


excerpt

"There’s not very many Americans that really even know that the Waffen SS was a multinational force. That’s been kind of kept out of the received history. Otherwise people would know that there were Ukrainian Nazis, Hungarian Nazis, Latvian Nazis, and they were all involved in the mass murder of their fellow citizens, if they were Jewish, or even if they were co-nationalists that were on the other side of the issue of the war. They were just mass murderers, across Eastern Europe. And that history, those facts aren’t even well-known. A lot of people didn’t even know this phenomenon even existed".

Yes, but all this can be cunningly explained away by you know who....haha.

Because it's not vaccinated and doesn't drink fluoridated water .

Well, water here is actually not fluoridated and I doubt it is in Italy either. Anyways, let's not go there. This is about what Putin wants, not what we want 

[Boethius]

More Ukrainians fought for the Red Army than ever fought with/for the Germans.  Yes, UPA killed Jews.  But there were also Jews among their ranks.  It is far more complex than simple minds can acknowledge.
Plus, the Bolsheviks killed more Soviet citizens than Ukrainian or Baltic Nazis ever did.

[SANDRO43]

Well, water here is actually not fluoridated and I doubt it is in Italy either.

Correct, but we ARE vaccinated, I still bear the scar on my left arm for a smallpox vaccine injection from the early 1950s, and I can watch videos .

[AC]

Yes, but all this can be cunningly explained away by you know who....haha.

Well, water here is actually not fluoridated and I doubt it is in Italy either. Anyways, let's not go there. This is about what Putin wants, not what we want 

I think that Putin wants all of E. Ukraine and a land corridor to Crimea, and I think he may get it.  He may get it because of the historical weakness and ineptitude of the Obama administration.

In regards to fascist links unfortunately the truth is that they are there, but it's called political expediency.  It's a pragmatic way to try to influence the region with certain persons, and then they try to minimize those same persons who they just worked with. 

It's a dirty business, but don't think that the Russians have not been doing the same stuff, and likely to a greater degree.

[Doll]

I think that Putin wants all of E. Ukraine and a land corridor to Crimea, and I think he may get it.  He may get it because of the historical weakness and ineptitude of the Obama administration.

 

What does " Obama administration" have to do with Ukraine, Russia and Europe? It is the other half of the Globe.

[fathertime]

What does " Obama administration" have to do with Ukraine, Russia and Europe? It is the other half of the Globe.

The US administration certainly doesn't give to sheets about the regular people of Ukraine....it is mostly about indirectly increasing our influence/wealth globally, in small steps....in this case, depending on how far we take it, it may wind up being a big misstep on our part. 


Fathertime! 

[Doll]

Trying to confront Russia is a huge mistake. So far at the cost of Ukraine 

[Boethius]

Nobody was "trying to confront" Russia.
 
Ukrainians were fed up with a corrupt president and his gang.  They protested against him.  The Russian government decided it should be able to decide Ukraine's fate. 
 
Why do you hate Ukrainians so much that you don't think they, as a nation, should be entitled to set their own course?

[Muzh]

Trying to confront Russia is a huge mistake. So far at the cost of Ukraine

Who is trying to confront Russia? Name one single country confronting Russia?

[jone]

I believe that the American PEOPLE do not much care about the people in Ukraine.  But they do have a sense of justice of which they believe that Russia has violated.

[Boethius]

Russia is still trying to dictate Ukraine's relations with the EU.
 
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/eu-postpone-ukraine-free-trade-pact-2016-314326

[lordtiberius]

Trying to confront Russia is a huge mistake. So far at the cost of Ukraine

What do you think of Kadyrov?

[Doll]

Why do you hate Ukrainians so much that you don't think they, as a nation, should be entitled to set their own course?

To say with no reason I hate any nation is trolling or worse.

[Doll]

What do you think of Kadyrov?

I don't think about him.

[Boethius]

To say with no reason I hate any nation is trolling or worse.

You have justified Russia's actions in Ukraine, consistently.  You have claimed the troubles in Ukraine were orchestrated by the U.S., rather than a desire by Euromaidan activists, who are, after all, Ukrainian nationals, to change the corruption in Ukraine.   If that doesn't demonstrate a disdain for Ukrainians, then what is it?

[Doll]

Boe, I thought you were smart enough to not put tho9ught that I've never had in my brain
I was so wrong.
Your inferences are dumb

[Boethius]

It is the way I see it.
 
By suggesting that Ukraine's current position was orchestrated by the U.S., which you have indeed implied, even stated, you have discounted the Euromaidan activists who protested for months, and even died, because they desired a change in their country.   The position discounts the role of Ukrainians in their own country, as if they don't see what is happening and are all stupidly manipulated by a foreign power which, frankly, doesn't really care about Ukraine's future.  Ukraine is not some geostrategic prize for the U.S., no matter what conspiracy theorists or paranoid Russians care to believe, or what cr@p the latter's propaganda machines feed the populace.  If it were true, Ukraine would have been firmly ensconced in the U.S. orbit a decade ago.
 

[Doll]

US President Barack Obama revealed the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and admitted that the United States “had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine.”


US President Barack Obama’s recent interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakiria reveals the United States’ involvement in the Ukrainian crisis from its outset and that the country worked directly with Ukrainian right-wing fascist groups, experts told Sputnik.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-coup-obama-admits-that-us-brokered-a-deal-in-support-of-regime-change/5429142

​Obama openly admits 'brokering power transition' in Ukraine
http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-power-transition-ukraine/

[Doll]

[Boethius]

As I have posted numerous times, all Obama stated was that the US brokered a transition in power in Ukraine.  That happened when it was clear Yanukovych would lose his office.
 
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2015/02/01/pres-obama-on-fareed-zakaria-gps-cnn-exclusive/
 
That doesn't mean the U.S. was involved in the outset,or  that it orchestrated Euromaidan, or regime change in Ukraine.  Do you really believe that if the U.S. had wanted a particular outcome in Ukraine, it would not have happened before?  They could have trained some diaspora Ukrainian from Central Ukraine, had him obtain Ukrainian citizenship, and funded a campaign to make him president.  Or a local they had hand picked, and they could have done that anytime after Ukraine declared independence.  They could have done the same with political parties, all for less than $50 million.   
 
It was never the intent of the United States to create a crisis in Ukraine, and they didn't.  If you read what Obama actually stated, rather than some Russian Jew's anti American conspiracy site (all from the comfort of Canada), you would see there is nothing which indicates the U.S. was involved in the Ukrainian crisis at the outset.
 
Now you see, this is why I say you have a disdain for Ukrainians.  You assume it was not them who were protesting and dying on Maidan, it was all U.S. orchestrations, and they were too stupid to know it, or not die in hails of Yanukovych ordered bullets.

[cc3]

Nobody was "trying to confront" Russia.
 
Ukrainians were fed up with a corrupt president and his gang.  They protested against him.  The Russian government decided it should be able to decide Ukraine's fate. 
 
Why do you hate Ukrainians so much that you don't think they, as a nation, should be entitled to set their own course?

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[cc3]

It is the way I see it.
 
By suggesting that Ukraine's current position was orchestrated by the U.S., which you have indeed implied, even stated, you have discounted the Euromaidan activists who protested for months, and even died, because they desired a change in their country.   The position discounts the role of Ukrainians in their own country, as if they don't see what is happening and are all stupidly manipulated by a foreign power which, frankly, doesn't really care about Ukraine's future.  Ukraine is not some geostrategic prize for the U.S., no matter what conspiracy theorists or paranoid Russians care to believe, or what cr@p the latter's propaganda machines feed the populace.  If it were true, Ukraine would have been firmly ensconced in the U.S. orbit a decade ago.

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