The Russian/Syrian connection thread

[wallm]

Are we heading for World War 3 and who would win? From Russia and US tensions over Syria to North Korea’s nuclear tests
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/ww3-world-war-three-russia-usa-north-korea-who-would-win/

OMG! We are all going to die.

Let us not get excited over a British tabloid article.
 
Putin is a thug but he isn't stupid. He knows nobody will win a WWIII.

I did see that Russian TV is telling their citizen to get ready for war and prepare by storing water, food and iodine to head off radiation sickness. Let us think about the source of this sensationalism. It isn't as if the state owned TV has credibility. It is kind of like Global Times in China making proclamations.

Just the same I am prepared to survive unless Putin drops a nuke on top of my head. Or perhaps I should find those speculated bunkers under Denver International.

[msmob]

Dear Beel


Quoting from UK tabloids, again ?


Sadly, they do sway idiots in the same way Pravda did ...

[fathertime]

Israel called for a military strike and was quite firm on Iran's presence in Syria AFTER the call with Putin.

Israel probably benefits from turmoil in syria, they seem to perpetuate when they can get away with it.  In my opinion, Israel shouldn't expect compliance with their attempts to govern who is in Syria and who isn't.   That would be like Canada telling us that we may not associate with Germans, or Russians, etc etc. 

Fathertime!   

[fathertime]

Are we heading for World War 3 and who would win? From Russia and US tensions over Syria to North Korea’s nuclear tests
http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2070034/ww3-world-war-three-russia-usa-north-korea-who-would-win/

Our nation is being run by an impulsive idiot, with confidants like Bolton, you just never know.   Obviously all life on the planet loses if nuclear weapons are used.  Trump seems most interested in making his mark somehow.   

[DaveNY]

According to a few UK domestic and foreign media sources British special forces operating in Syria been captured by the Syrian Army? Maybe they're not British special forces only British troops or maybe only militants of some nationality somehow allied with the UK or US or NATO?

Maybe they're just militants on their own? Anyway several media sources including media owned and operated by Russia, that'd be Sputnik, say some group of militants have been captured by some military group probably affiliated with the Syrian government. Could the story be anymore vague?

http://sputniknews.com/military/201804121063460158-british-forces-syria-ghouta/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5605357/British-special-forces-soldiers-captured-Syria-Irans-official-news-agency-reports.html
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13970122001526

One of the sources for this story, the Fars News Agency has published stories in the past claiming a time portal had been invented. From the link below - "In April 2013, the agency carried a story claiming a 27-year-old Iranian scientist had invented a time machine that allowed people to see into the future. A few days later the story was removed, and replaced with a story quoting an Iranian government official that no such device had been registered."

Fars also published a series of articles that suggested U.S. security policy was being driven by an "alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda" The report said that proof was found in a Federal Security Service report carried out by Edward Snowden. The report said that the United States government had been secretly run by a "shadow government" of space aliens since 1945.

In this case Fars is simply copying stories that have been in some less than reliable American media outlets for decades. Not too original.   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fars_News_Agency

[BillyB]

The report said that the United States government had been secretly run by a "shadow government" of space aliens since 1945.

Out of all the nations in the world to choose from, why did the aliens choose the USA?

According to a few UK domestic and foreign media sources British special forces operating in Syria been captured by the Syrian Army? Maybe they're not British special forces only British troops or maybe only militants of some nationality somehow allied with the UK or US or NATO?

If true, maybe Syria will use those guys as bargaining chips? Maybe they will put those guys at Syrian bases Trump is most likely to attack to discourage an attack.


Syria has already moved their most valuable military hardware at Russian controlled bases since Trump let them know they're getting bombed.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/syria-warplanes-russia-base/index.html

[msmob]

The USA has been wrong on Syria from the beginning of the Obummer debacle almost 8 years ago. That idiot, and I apologize to idiots everywhere for lumping him into their fine brotherhood, wouldn't know foreign policy if it passed him on the street.

I know this is from a long time ago, but JUST found it and although Mendy and I concur on many things, I cannot agree here

Obama was quite right to suggest a no fly zone as ASSad was putting down Syria's version of the Arab Spring by simply bombing areas that were historically Suni - the protests were PEACEFUL

He could and would have acted but for the spineless British MPs who  - frightened after the Iraq debacle - narrowly voted down Cameron's request for Britain to support the implementation of the zone

That, in combination of China and Russia's blocking such a zone is the MAJOR reason why SO many Syrians have died and why so many factions have evolved

[alex330]

Obviously all life on the planet loses if nuclear weapons are used. 

Nah, old wives tales. Not enough nukes on the planet to wipe us out.

[msmob]

Well, that's sorted then...

RT has the facts..

http://www.rt.com/news/424047-russian-mod-syria-statement/

Is this the same Mod that told us on 21st July 2014 that flt MH17 was shot down by 2 Ukrainian 'fighter aircraft' that couldn't have own as high or fast as their prey....

[BillyB]

Obama was quite right to suggest a no fly zone as ASSad was putting down Syria's version of the Arab Spring by simply bombing areas that were historically Suni - the protests were PEACEFUL

Suggesting something without enforcement is silly. Obama made it clear a long time ago he wasn't going to get deeply involved in the Syrian war so Russia took the lead. If Russian planes bomb civilians they call terrorists, American fighter planes won't do anything about it.

[BillyB]

Apparently there is enough evidence something happened that Russia is claiming it is a staged event by a foreign power. But they still claim no chemical traces were found. They say they have evidence it was a staged event but won't supply it. Syria has taken over the town. Russia is aiding in the evacuation of civilians. Of course they(the evidence) will be evacuated before any International inspectors show up.


When Assad takes full control of Syria, I'm sure he's going to be torturing a lot of civilians for their lack of support.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-syria-chemical-attack-fabrication-by-foreign-power/ar-AAvQbDL?ocid=spartanntp

[msmob]

Suggesting something without enforcement is silly. Obama made it clear a long time ago he wasn't going to get deeply involved in the Syrian war so Russia took the lead. If Russian planes bomb civilians they call terrorists, American fighter planes won't do anything about it.

BillyB

You may actually have the attention span of a Goldfish

Implimenting a no fly zone has stopped Saddam further gassing Kurds...

[BillyB]

BillyB

You may actually have the attention span of a Goldfish

Implimenting a no fly zone has stopped Saddam further gassing Kurds...

Try rational thinking sometimes. It works. Saddam didn't have the backing of Russia nor did he have the protection of Russian veto power at the UN. Obama should've claimed the skies before Russia entered the war so that a no fly zone could be enforced. Now Russia owns lots of the Syrian sky and there would be no way to enforce a no fly zone. The rebels and ISIS couldn't fly anything anyway since Russia owns the skies so a no fly zone would ground only Russian and Syrian planes and make it more difficult for them to win a war. You think they'll go for a no fly zone?

[msmob]

 Saddam didn't have the backing of Russia nor did he have the protection of Russian veto power at the UN.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1409853/Russia-threatens-to-veto-Iraq-resolution.html

"America's campaign to obtain United Nations backing for military action against Iraq has virtually collapsed after Russia signalled it would veto any new Security Council resolution threatening force against Saddam Hussein's regime."

Obama should've claimed the skies before Russia entered the war so that a no fly zone could be enforced.

Er, that WAS the plan  ..British MPs let him down and 'bang' - no coalition... 

Now Russia owns lots of the Syrian sky and there would be no way to enforce a no fly zone.

Which IF you had bothered to either properly read my posts or knew what you were talking about re world affairs - WAS my point ... Russia moved in AFTER the west coalition fell apart ..

Try rational thinking sometimes. It works.

You actually can't see any irony in this?  REALLY  ?   ))

Before posting again , pick up a history book

[BillyB]

It's official, UK is to blame for the staged chemical attack after a complete and thorough investigation by Russia. Russia promises if Syria is attacked, more refugees will be heading to Europe. Translation: Civilians will get severely punished and pushed out of the country if Assad is attacked. Europe will have to supply them homes, food, and medical care.

http://nypost.com/2018/04/13/russia-claims-britain-staged-chemical-attack-in-syria/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1409853/Russia-threatens-to-veto-Iraq-resolution.html

"America's campaign to obtain United Nations backing for military action against Iraq has virtually collapsed after Russia signalled it would veto any new Security Council resolution threatening force against Saddam Hussein's regime."

Hello, anybody home? In your link the USA was asking UN backing for a war on Iraq, not a no fly zone. Russia benefited from Iraq violating UN resolutions. They didn't want Saddam to leave. YUUUUGE different between asking for war over a no fly zone.

Er, that WAS the plan  ..British MPs let him down and 'bang' - no coalition... 

So Obama has a scapegoat why he couldn't get a no fly zone going in Syria to save lives and prevent chemical weapons attack?

[msmob]

Hello, anybody home? In your link the USA was asking UN backing for a war on Iraq, not a no fly zone. Russia benefited from Iraq violating UN resolutions. They didn't want Saddam to leave. YUUUUGE different between asking for war over a no fly zone.

YOU told us that Saddam's Iraq didn't have protection ..  I demonstrated you  were clueless -  Russia constantly pointed out that UN resolution 668 did not cover a NFZ


Once again, you should address the face you see in the shaving mirror, BillyB

So Obama has a scapegoat why he couldn't get a no fly zone going in Syria to save lives and prevent chemical weapons attack?

OMG, the penny might actually be dropping

[fathertime]

It is practically a given that the US is going to say this, but lets see the real evidence.  I'm still firmly of the belief that strategically it would be too big a blunder for Assad to have done this, so therefore he wouldn't.    So USA, where is your evidence? The US would rather make a pronouncement, without rebuttal because I don't think the assertion would stand up. 

I'd also speculate that whoever did release gas did it in such a way that it would look like it was Assad.  For example, a Syrian regime aligned Plane flying overhead dropping something other than a chemical weapon, while people on the ground detonate the chemical weapon at the same time.  That is a simplification of one scenario, but I'd say that sort of thing is more likely than Assad suddenly slitting his own throat by supposedly dropping chemical weapons, when he already has the war won. 


U.S says Syria government was behind chemical weapon attack

WASHINGTON/UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States on Friday blamed the Syrian government for a deadly chemical weapons attack this month and slammed Russia for failing to stop its ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
As the prospect of U.S.-led military action that could lead to confrontation with Russia hung over the Middle East, the White House accused Syria of staging a toxic gas assault on April 7 that killed dozens of people in Douma, near Damascus.

“We have a very high confidence that Syria was responsible and, once again, Russia’s failure to stop them and their continued (lack of action) on this front has been part of the problem,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said.

U.S. intelligence shows a Russian claim that the attack was faked was false, Sanders said. “Our intelligence tells us otherwise. I can’t go beyond that,” she told reporters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria/u-s-says-syria-government-was-behind-chemical-weapon-attack-idUSKBN1HJ0ZS 


Fathertime! 

[BillyB]

YOU told us that Saddam's Iraq didn't have protection ..  I demonstrated you  were clueless -  Russia constantly pointed out that UN resolution 668 did not cover a NFZ

No I didn't tell you that. We're talking no fly zone, not full scale war to change an entire government. You changed the discussion to show Saddam had Russian protection to prevent a full scale war. Since you care so much about the Syrian civilians, open your arms and get ready to welcome them. Russia is going to make their lives hell in Syria to the point there will be another wave of civilians fleeing to Europe. That is how Russia will get their payback on UK.

[BillyB]

I'd also speculate that whoever did release gas did it in such a way that it would look like it was Assad.

There was no release of chemical weapons. The official position from the Russian and Syrian governments is there are no traces of chemical weapons. Russia can't disprove the photos and videos exist so they are claiming it was staged at the direction of the UK. Russian isn't supplying evidence how they come to that conclusion. They don't even have photos and videos of their own investigation to show they did it.

[fathertime]

There was no release of chemical weapons. The official position from the Russian and Syrian governments is there are no traces of chemical weapons. Russia can disprove the photos and videos exist so they are claiming it was staged at the direction of the UK. Russian isn't supplying evidence how they come to that conclusion. They don't even have photos and videos of their own investigation to show they did it.

Since I live here in the USA, I"d like to see the USA back up their statements with fact.  I'm not casting stones at Russia/Syria, at this time, my infinitesimal role is to cast the first stones at the oft-lying government that represents me, which at this time is the the Trump led US government.

Fathertime! 

[BillyB]

Russia says they have the evidence and if they really cared about proving Assad is innocent and stopping the bombing that is soon to happen, they should release the evidence. If UK really did stage the event, I want to see the proof. I am willing to change my mind on this issue but I'm not stupid. If Russia has the evidence they claim to have, show the world and change our minds. If UK is the villain here, Russia needs to prove it.

[tfcrew]

[DaveNY]

Trump has ordered the US military to strike targets in Syria. France and the UK joined in on the strikes.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/04/13/politics/trump-us-syria/index.html

[alex330]

I"d like to see the USA back up their statements with fact. 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/12/syria-attack-experts-check-signs-nerve-agent


http://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/04/11/open-source-survey-alleged-chemical-attacks-douma-7th-april-2018/


Graphic video below -

[alex330]

Why would Assad suddenly partake in an outrageous event like this, in order to keep Trump in Syria, to a far greater extent?  Makes no sense at all.

"At the same time, ground forces had been trying, without success, to break into Douma, the last opposition stronghold at the gates of Damascus (the other two strongholds in the Ghouta district had been recaptured during the previous fortnight). Douma’s resident militia, Jaish al-Islam, had . The grand prize of reclaiming one of the last substantial chunks of the capital to remain outside state control had remained elusive"


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/12/syria-attack-experts-check-signs-nerve-agent