My story of Russian women with pics

[Muzh]

When did i say i don't want to take financial responsibility of my future kids?

 just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south.

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. 


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 who said anything about polygyny?

I had the intention to be with her , but not to get married. In response to mies, i knew about the visa laws, i was planning on getting a work permit to remain in russia. I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage...


 It looks like i will need to get married if i want to remain in UK with my future wife, so i just need to make sure i choose a good woman.

You just wanted to play the field. At your age, there's nothing wrong with that. However, I can see Mies POV and tend to agree that you are using Ukrainian girls' misery to take advantage of the situation so you can play the field. That is very scumbaggish.


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You are definitely skipping your meds, you are the pure definition of a bat crazy woman. Lord help the man that married you, and puts up with you.

Ah yes. All that talk about respecting women, yadda, yadda, yadda.


What a peach.


I only hope you grow out of this douche bag, young, narcissistic stage and become a more reasonable and responsible man.


Just hoping.

[mendeleyev]

Mies:

I am not against international dating and marriage, naturally. But Ukraine is at war. This is an objective reality. In some alternative reality a foreign citizen brags about his plans of a sex tour to Ukraine.

He says he doesn't believe in marriage, and yet chooses girls who are looking for marriage. He does it so that he doesn't need to spend money, using the good old story "if I meet the right girl..."

People in Ukraine are not just financially vulnerable. They are emotionally vulnerable. To take advantage of this is a predatory behavior, not a mere financial exploitation of favorable exchange rate.

Bingo.

  1,000,000


I find it repulsive when sex tourists come to the FSU. As the AIDS epidemic continues, perhaps those who come just for a cheap thrill will be able to take home a lifetime souvenir.

[Muzh]

Mies:

Bingo.

  1,000,000


I find it repulsive when sex tourists come to the FSU. As the AIDS epidemic continues, perhaps those who come just for a cheap thrill will be able to take home a lifetime souvenir.

Mendy, don't say that. Not even joking.

[dragonkid]

Seems pretty self-explanatory to me. 


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You just wanted to play the field. At your age, there's nothing wrong with that. However, I can see Mies POV and tend to agree that you are using Ukrainian girls' misery to take advantage of the situation so you can play the field. That is very scumbaggish.


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Ah yes. All that talk about respecting women, yadda, yadda, yadda.


What a peach.


I only hope you grow out of this douche bag, young, narcissistic stage and become a more reasonable and responsible man.


Just hoping.

I am from the UK, we pay child support regardless if we are married or not. What i meant was i have assets which i don't want to share, simple as that. So i should that a woman's bs because she is a woman? No thanks, mies is actually crazy, keeps coming up with drama to feed her anger towards western men. It is her own fault that she got used and abused all those years ago. I have no time, or patience for anyone's bullshit. if i don't like someone i say it plainly to them.

[mies]

I am from the UK, we pay child support regardless if we are married or not. What i meant was i have assets which i don't want to share, simple as that. So i should that a woman's bs because she is a woman? No thanks, mies is actually crazy, keeps coming up with drama to feed her anger towards western men. It is her own fault that she got used and abused all those years ago. I have no time, or patience for anyone's bullshit. if i don't like someone i say it plainly to them.

Any other fictional stories you want to tell me about my past? 

[BillyB]

All these girls put no fight against flying to see me and coming to my apartment, i lost all respect for them. It feels like fsu women are like most women, they are all sluts if you know what to say.

Remember saying that? I've always wondered what you been saying to those girls to get them to sleep with you so easily. What are the magic words? Seems to me you're having a hard time getting Mies, an FSU woman, to even respect you.

[mies]

If you keep pushing your luck, I may try to see that people in Ukraine (and women in dating scene in Russia) will find out about your intentions and existence. Starting from Antidate blacklist, and social networks in Ukraine. Is is probably in your best interest to stay under radar, and stay away from Ukraine.

[mies]

Remember saying that? I've always wondered what you been saying to those girls to get them to sleep with you so easily. What are the magic words? Seems to me you're having a hard time getting Mies, an FSU woman, to even respect you.

1) He probably tells them he wants to find a good girl and have children. Every girl thinks "I am a good girl" and in "I want to have children" she sees "MARRIAGE" written all over it.  That's why his "I don't believe in marriage" comes as a bit of a shock after sex.
2) He avoids bad girls because they immediately decode his bs. He targets good girls because they are more gullible if you say the right words (see (1))

Exhibit one. Dk's pants on fire:

i am chatting to a few more girls, physically these girls are great, but i am still drawn to my ex. I feel like i want to slam dunk it this summer, find myself a good girl, but these girls like 99% of fsu girls are not my type emotionally. I just dont trust anyone, i fucked around with too many fsu women who have foreign guys already but kept them a secret, married fsu women.Maybe because i haven't given them a chance, initially i never gave my ex a chance, so it might be my fault.

1) They are not going cold on me, i got meets already planned with the girls below
2) I am comparing all the new girls to my ex
3) Guys here think it is normal to send money to their girls i dont
4) you assume too much, i fish girls perfectly, they are not interested in what i have , just me as a person and a better life in the UK
5) i am simply just not interested anymore in fsu women for something long term, unless they can better my ex, which i doubt. All these girls put no fight against flying to see me and coming to my apartment, i lost all respect for them. It feels like fsu women are like most women, they are all sluts if you know what to say.

What i perceive a good woman differs to what a good woman is for yourself.

Obviously you should stop lying, you never read my thread, as i met one girl not many. I had the intention to be with her , but not to get married. In response to mies, i knew about the visa laws, i was planning on getting a work permit to remain in russia. I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south. It looks like i will need to get married if i want to remain in UK with my future wife, so i just need to make sure i choose a good woman.

Also, I am pleased to see that "children topic" was a correct guess:

[Maxx2]

Obviously you should stop lying, you never read my thread, as i met one girl not many. I had the intention to be with her , but not to get married. In response to mies, i knew about the visa laws, i was planning on getting a work permit to remain in russia. I wanted to have kids and to remain with her, just without the marriage, i found and still find marriage illogical. it offers nothing to men, just financial obligation when things go south. It looks like i will need to get married if i want to remain in UK with my future wife, so i just need to make sure i choose a good woman.

DK called me a liar (not that I care) and then he posts these three contradictory statements? So who's the liar?



Exhibit one. Dk's pants on fire[/size]: [/size]

Quote from: dragonkid on March 27, 2016, 04:21:17 PMi am chatting to a few more girls, physically these girls are great, but i am still drawn to my ex. I feel like i want to slam dunk it this summer, find myself a good girl, but these girls like 99% of fsu girls are not my type emotionally. I just dont trust anyone, i fucked around with too many fsu women who have foreign guys already but kept them a secret, married fsu women.Maybe because i haven't given them a chance, initially i never gave my ex a chance, so it might be my fault.




Quote from: dragonkid on March 28, 2016, 03:30:46 PM1) They are not going cold on me, i got meets already planned with the girls below
2) I am comparing all the new girls to my ex
3) Guys here think it is normal to send money to their girls i dont
4) you assume too much, i fish girls perfectly, they are not interested in what i have , just me as a person and a better life in the UK
5) i am simply just not interested anymore in fsu women for something long term, unless they can better my ex, which i doubt. All these girls put no fight against flying to see me and coming to my apartment, i lost all respect for them. It feels like fsu women are like most women, they are all sluts if you know what to say.

What i perceive a good woman differs to what a good woman is for yourself.

[Anotherkiwi]

... I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin, somebody who wants to get married. This will take a lot of effort, first i need to learn the language, second i need to network with people in those areas,

Why on earth would you want to become a Member of Parliament (Duma) in Russia? Your chances of finding a virgin there would be about as high as the Pope becoming a Rastafarian.

If you're serious about anything in this proposed trip of yours, you could start by calling the region you wish to visit by its correct name - the Caucasus.  You might at least then end up in the right part of the country.

[southernX]

MIES I am not against international dating and marriage, naturally. But Ukraine is at war. This is an objective reality. In some alternative reality a foreign citizen brags about his plans of a sex tour to Ukraine.

He says he doesn't believe in marriage, and yet chooses girls who are looking for marriage. He does it so that he doesn't need to spend money, using the good old story "if I meet the right girl..."

People in Ukraine are not just financially vulnerable. They are emotionally vulnerable. To take advantage of this is a predatory behavior, not a mere financial exploitation of favorable exchange rate.

Bingo.

  1,000,000


I find it repulsive when sex tourists come to the FSU. .

+ 10000
 mies has nailed it totally imo

SX

[JayH]

+ 10000
 mies has nailed it totally imo

SX

+1.

Really --25 yo arrogance, ignorance,stupidity etc plus his Muslim attitude to women-  = not much.

[lyndontom]

i am now spending an hour a day via skype learning russian. I am eager to go to the caucus parts of Russia and meet a virgin, somebody who wants to get married. This will take a lot of effort, first i need to learn the language, second i need to network with people in those areas, third i need to have £5k a month disposable income minimum to really iron out my future relationship, probably get a place big enough for us and her family which is not cheap in london.

I am going to russia in july, i have some people i will meet. Nothing serious really, i don't want to live in the future, more to do with living in the present. And enjoying what i can do now. Keep my head down, enjoy the process, and have my end goal insight.

     
DK, why would you choose to make what is already a difficult endeavour as ridiculously unrealistic for yourself as possible?

Does anyone else find it somewhat hypocritical/disturbing that a man (presumably) not a virgin, should expect his wife to be one?

Sorry DK, as a fellow young(ish) Brit I don't want to hammer you, but you're really not doing yourself any favours here...I think you need to gain a sense of perspective and not be in such a rush to find something when you really quite clearly have no idea what it is you want. The more seasoned posters here will continue to pull your inconsistencies and egotistical outlook to bits.
 

[Trenchcoat]

What I learnt from when I was over there (in the Ukraine) is that it is a very poor country, sure a few our richer than others there but most are pretty poor. 1k a month in British Pound would be wealthy compared to many Ukrainians income never mind 5k. The good exchange rate obviously skews the perception, but I think most stuff is generally cheaper out there at any rate - a meal for two is about £4 where outside the 1980s could you get that in the UK, lol. Coming back here of course a reasonable salary is helpful as we wouldn't be getting stuff at Ukraine prices yet even here there is the welfare state as a safety net/financial aid to supplement income in worse case scenario. 5k per month is nice but probably no real need to head for the stars on that one, moderate income, i.e able to support a family will do, though of course London is not cheap.

Language wise many know English from the six years they spent learning it at school, plus emphasis is put on learning it out there. Still handy to learn Ukrainian/Russian but not essential in the early days I think. Best just to get out there and jump in look for someone perhaps by which ever method suits. My own personal preference is to not talk about money too much with a girl, such as the one I met. I think few decent girls ask that much and letting on how wealthy you may be has the danger of attracting girls after you for your money rather than wanting to be with you whatever. Money talk or displays of wealth, expensive gifts etc is just a mistake I feel.

[Trenchcoat]

me too :-)

Here is an experiment conducted in Moscow. First part of the video how Russian men react when visually non-Russian male mistreats Russian/Slavic woman. Second part of the video, starting at 1':55" how the "Caucas men" react when phenotypically Russian male harasses the "Caucas woman". The experiment had to be ended when one of the "Caucas men" made a credible threat to kill the offender of a female. Almost every Caucas male in the video threatened the "offender" with a physical violence or death, some referred to a woman they didn't know as "she is my sister".

Not really a reliable social experiment since the people involved are different and markedly so. The first guy looks like Niko Bellic (Grand Theft Auto, lol) the second guy looks like a student. Hilarious extremes, for sure there is no telling for sure who would be the better fighter but I think most guys would look at the skinhead guy and think, 'my chances of this escalating into a fight is high and my chances of getting creamed are also high so perhaps not make matters worse'. The second student looking guy looks less likely to escalate into a fight, more likely to back down and even if not less likely to handle himself well in a fight unless he is martial arts trained.

[mies]

What I learnt from when I was over there (in the Ukraine) is that it is a very poor country, sure a few our richer than others there but most are pretty poor. 1k a month in British Pound would be wealthy compared to many Ukrainians income never mind 5k. The good exchange rate obviously skews the perception, but I think most stuff is generally cheaper out there at any rate - a meal for two is about £4 where outside the 1980s could you get that in the UK, lol. Coming back here of course a reasonable salary is helpful as we wouldn't be getting stuff at Ukraine prices yet even here there is the welfare state as a safety net/financial aid to supplement income in worse case scenario. 5k per month is nice but probably no real need to head for the stars on that one, moderate income, i.e able to support a family will do, though of course London is not cheap.

Language wise many know English from the six years they spent learning it at school, plus emphasis is put on learning it out there. Still handy to learn Ukrainian/Russian but not essential in the early days I think. Best just to get out there and jump in look for someone perhaps by which ever method suits. My own personal preference is to not talk about money too much with a girl, such as the one I met. I think few decent girls ask that much and letting on how wealthy you may be has the danger of attracting girls after you for your money rather than wanting to be with you whatever. Money talk or displays of wealth, expensive gifts etc is just a mistake I feel.

I think it is better to talk about money with the FSUW girl, and be very honest, not to give her any false expectations. Explain to her that 1K/mo in London and 1k/mo in Kyiv are very different things, and with 1K in London life will be much more modest than in Kyiv with the same amount of money.
While living in Ukraine it is difficult to understand the structure (and amount) of basic expenses in UK, or USA. I am remembering joke about bankers in NYC on a subway, comparing their meager incomes and complaining how expensive the life in the city is. Basically unless you are making 1mln you are a pauper. (that's what the joke said).

Financial side is as important as all others. If you tell her "I am making $2000/mo" is very different than saying "I am making $2000/mo but after i pay my bills i have $200 of disposable income left."

The woman may be accustomed to certain things, which are cheap and basic in Ukraine (concerts, theaters), but not that cheap in some Western country.
The quality of LSO or MET is better than of some Ukrainian orchestra, but it costs more too. Same with theaters, cafes, anything that has to do with finer and pleasant things in life. It may happen that by moving to UK (USA) the woman (or rather you, for her) will be able to afford less things in life, nor more. And no one wants that to happen. Why would anyone want to marry if this will make their life less enjoyable and more struggle? If you are not honest about the financial side, the reality upon arrival to Western country may hit her hard.

If you are honest and tell that certain things you won't be able to afford, some girls would lose interest in communication, but isn't this the objective? To find the woman who does not care about the money.

[mies]

Not really a reliable social experiment since the people involved are different and markedly so. The first guy looks like Niko Bellic (Grand Theft Auto, lol) the second guy looks like a student. Hilarious extremes, for sure there is no telling for sure who would be the better fighter but I think most guys would look at the skinhead guy and think, 'my chances of this escalating into a fight is high and my chances of getting creamed are also high so perhaps not make matters worse'. The second student looking guy looks less likely to escalate into a fight, more likely to back down and even if not less likely to handle himself well in a fight unless he is martial arts trained.

You are missing the point. In the experiment they picked 2 couples:
- Muslim-looking guy with a Russian girl. not a single Russian person defended the girl.
- Russian guy and a Muslim girl. In all but one cases the girl was defended. And the guys who came to her defense weren't big or rich or otherwise privileged. Usually several unrelated Muslim guys jumped in.

Domestic violence is very common in Russia. You can read statistics. This may be the main reason why no one cared what the guy said or did to a Russian girl.

The point of the video was to show that perhaps going after the girl from Caucasus region is not the smartest unless you know the rules of the game. I've heard Syria has very favorable currency exchange rates. They have many women who were scarves, and they have some Christians there too. Why not try Syria instead of Chechnya or Dagestan?

[BillyB]

If you are honest and tell that certain things you won't be able to afford, some girls would lose interest in communication, but isn't this the objective? To find the woman who does not care about the money.

In my correspondence with ladies, I  told them I live an average American life. A few of the ladies stopped writing me and didn't respond to my messages. Some responded telling me they were looking for a more financially wealthy man. They did me a favor. I was left with women that were more willing to build a life with me instead of gold diggers who felt entitled to a life of luxury.

I understand the reason men hype themselves up is to catch women but many don't understand they aren't going to catch the right woman. If a guy does catch the right woman, she won't be happy when she finds out he lied and it may end badly.

[alex330]

I think it is better to talk about money with the FSUW girl, and be very honest, not to give her any false expectations. Explain to her that 1K/mo in London and 1k/mo in Kyiv are very different things, and with 1K in London life will be much more modest than in Kyiv with the same amount of money.
While living in Ukraine it is difficult to understand the structure (and amount) of basic expenses in UK, or USA. I am remembering joke about bankers in NYC on a subway, comparing their meager incomes and complaining how expensive the life in the city is. Basically unless you are making 1mln you are a pauper. (that's what the joke said).

Financial side is as important as all others. If you tell her "I am making $2000/mo" is very different than saying "I am making $2000/mo but after i pay my bills i have $200 of disposable income left."

The woman may be accustomed to certain things, which are cheap and basic in Ukraine (concerts, theaters), but not that cheap in some Western country.
The quality of LSO or MET is better than of some Ukrainian orchestra, but it costs more too. Same with theaters, cafes, anything that has to do with finer and pleasant things in life. It may happen that by moving to UK (USA) the woman (or rather you, for her) will be able to afford less things in life, nor more. And no one wants that to happen. Why would anyone want to marry if this will make their life less enjoyable and more struggle? If you are not honest about the financial side, the reality upon arrival to Western country may hit her hard.

If you are honest and tell that certain things you won't be able to afford, some girls would lose interest in communication, but isn't this the objective? To find the woman who does not care about the money.

Excellent advice from Mies. One many men do not take into consideration.

[jone]

Muzh,

I know that Mies means well with that post, but, the type of guys she's targeting should not even dream of going over to Eastern Europe to look for a woman.  Unless you are making at least over $100,000 a year, this endeavor is not for you.  Go look at the Walmarts of America, instead.

I hate to be so rude, but the idea of raising a family and providing for an Eastern European wife on an income of less than that is not being fair to yourself or your future spouse and dooms you to failure even before you get on a plane.

[mies]

Muzh,

I know that Mies means well with that post, but, the type of guys she's targeting should not even dream of going over to Eastern Europe to look for a woman.  Unless you are making at least over $100,000 a year, this endeavor is not for you.  Go look at the Walmarts of America, instead.

I hate to be so rude, but the idea of raising a family and providing for an Eastern European wife on an income of less than that is not being fair to yourself or your future spouse and dooms you to failure even before you get on a plane.

I am not saying that the man has to provide all that to a woman. But no woman in FSU sits at home and dreams of making her life worse by marrying a WM. If the WM thinks otherwise - he is mistaken. Also, if a person (woman or man) has certain illusions, and then (s)he realizes those had no bases, (s)he will not feel happy.
Not all women have hobbies that I described, targeting females from smaller towns is probably a good idea for men who live in smaller towns in the West. If you meet a woman from a big city, with a university degree, and a job, then probably she will have some or all of the hobbies that I described (more on it below).

In my correspondence with ladies, I  told them I live an average American life. A few of the ladies stopped writing me and didn't respond to my messages. Some responded telling me they were looking for a more financially wealthy man. They did me a favor. I was left with women that were more willing to build a life with me instead of gold diggers who felt entitled to a life of luxury.

woman living in FSU may not consider certain hobbies as "luxury" because in FSU they are not luxury. Here is an example (real life story). I spoke to a woman in Ukraine. She is in her late 30s, lives in the capital, wants to get married and have children (never been married before), bought apartment through mortgage, has a stable, non-stressful job with average income and good vacation schedule. She says she doesn't target rich men, she wants to find a stable good man, average income is fine. She doesn't plan to work if marries to a Westerner, because she wants to have children. She says she is low-maintenance and likes simple healthy things in life: gym, swimming pool, horse-riding classes, she has some health issues (not serious) and needs regular massages, she likes cafes, dining out at least once a week, she likes symphonic music, museums, also romantic walks in the parks, reading books and all that classic "good girl"'s list. I tell her: here are the cities in which you can live this sort of life, and this is how much the man must be making in order to afford all of that. She didn't believe me!! She said that's not true. She said she makes less than $1'000/mo, and she can afford all of that plus 2 vacations abroad per year. She is not rich, her income is not high, and she lives in a poor country. If the man lives in a developed Western country, and has average income, he should be able to afford all of that too. Especially if he lives in EU, because EU countries are socialistic and everything is affordable for people (or something along those lines).

The logic of an FSU woman is "I can afford it from my salary, I make much less than a WM, he can easily afford it as well, and more than that, I will not be a financial burden to him, my needs are very modest."

[msmobyone]

If the man lives in a developed Western country, and has average income, he should be able to afford all of that too. Especially if he lives in EU, because EU countries are socialistic and everything is affordable for people (or something along those lines).

Mies,

Many EU nations have right of centre govts. and in the current economic crisis they are drastically cutting back on social funding. State pensions funding are running at a deficit-which means constant borrowing and is not sustainable.

Your vision of life in the EU is fast changing.

Many EU citizens 'blame' immigrants' for this - even though legal immigration - normally - brings young contributors to society.

 

[mies]

Mies,

Many EU nations have right of centre govts. and in the current economic crisis they are drastically cutting back on social funding. State pensions funding are running at a deficit-which means constant borrowing and is not sustainable.

Your vision of life in the EU is fast changing.

Many EU citizens 'blame' immigrants' for this - even though legal immigration - normally - brings young contributors to society.

I know that. Some/many FSU women may not know it. Judging by their expectations. I loosely quoted the dialogue which actually took place, fairly recently.

[jone]

I am not saying that the man has to provide all that to a woman. But no woman in FSU sits at home and dreams of making her life worse by marrying a WM. If the WM thinks otherwise - he is mistaken. Also, if a person (woman or man) has certain illusions, and then (s)he realizes those had no bases, (s)he will not feel happy.
Not all women have hobbies that I described, targeting females from smaller towns is probably a good idea for men who live in smaller towns in the West. If you meet a woman from a big city, with a university degree, and a job, then probably she will have some or all of the hobbies that I described (more on it below).

woman living in FSU may not consider certain hobbies as "luxury" because in FSU they are not luxury. Here is an example (real life story). I spoke to a woman in Ukraine. She is in her late 30s, lives in the capital, wants to get married and have children (never been married before), bought apartment through mortgage, has a stable, non-stressful job with average income and good vacation schedule. She says she doesn't target rich men, she wants to find a stable good man, average income is fine. She doesn't plan to work if marries to a Westerner, because she wants to have children. She says she is low-maintenance and likes simple healthy things in life: gym, swimming pool, horse-riding classes, she has some health issues (not serious) and needs regular massages, she likes cafes, dining out at least once a week, she likes symphonic music, museums, also romantic walks in the parks, reading books and all that classic "good girl"'s list. I tell her: here are the cities in which you can live this sort of life, and this is how much the man must be making in order to afford all of that. She didn't believe me!! She said that's not true. She said she makes less than $1'000/mo, and she can afford all of that plus 2 vacations abroad per year. She is not rich, her income is not high, and she lives in a poor country. If the man lives in a developed Western country, and has average income, he should be able to afford all of that too. Especially if he lives in EU, because EU countries are socialistic and everything is affordable for people (or something along those lines).

The logic of an FSU woman is "I can afford it from my salary, I make much less than a WM, he can easily afford it as well, and more than that, I will not be a financial burden to him, my needs are very modest."

My take on what income a man should have to bring a woman from Eastern Europe to the US stands.  Anything less and he is playing with fire.

[fathertime]

Muzh,

 Unless you are making at least over $100,000 a year, this endeavor is not for you.  Go look at the Walmarts of America, instead.

I hate to be so rude, but the idea of raising a family and providing for an Eastern European wife on an income of less than that is not being fair to yourself or your future spouse and dooms you to failure even before you get on a plane.

AT LEAST 100K a year, or don't even bother?  That is a rather restrictive statement.  What qualifies you to make such a blanket statement?


  Outside of ritzy areas of big cities here in the states, 100k can go a very long way.  Why would getting married REQUIRE 100K OR MORE?  Obviously a certain amount of money is normally necessary to go through the process, but many men don't need a salary of 100k or more, to attract, and create happiness/family for their lady. You make it sound like all Eastern European ladies need to be pampered like princesses.  I'm sure that isn't the case. 


Fathertime!