My story of Russian women with pics

[Maxx2]

"I don't believe in marriage"

A lot of people lose years of their life teaming up with the wrong people. I've thought of the quality of life years I've lost when watching video. It is not just a woman thing. Older men who are still "young" physically as well as young women approaching middle age or nearing the end of their child bearing years that have wasting their time involved with someone who is not serious about life. Such a shame. I had a friend yesterday tell me his Ukrainian wife had moved out on him the day before. It had been a dead marriage for years. In fact I think it never was a true marriage except for a while in his mind. Not to be hard on the woman here but she seems to be one of those who is incapable of love. I met them and lived as a neighbor for a while so I do know them. Some people should have warning signs on them.

You know mies, this place and the people we meet through it are sure good material for psychological studies!

[Trenchcoat]

You are missing the point. In the experiment they picked 2 couples:
- Muslim-looking guy with a Russian girl. not a single Russian person defended the girl.
- Russian guy and a Muslim girl. In all but one cases the girl was defended. And the guys who came to her defense weren't big or rich or otherwise privileged. Usually several unrelated Muslim guys jumped in.

Domestic violence is very common in Russia. You can read statistics. This may be the main reason why no one cared what the guy said or did to a Russian girl.

The point of the video was to show that perhaps going after the girl from Caucasus region is not the smartest unless you know the rules of the game. I've heard Syria has very favorable currency exchange rates. They have many women who were scarves, and they have some Christians there too. Why not try Syria instead of Chechnya or Dagestan?

Experiment may be putting across a point but unfortunately it's not really valid as they did not keep the controls (the other variables) the same or even similar in both experiments. Most men will weighup the situation first, some may not/or go in regardless of what head is telling them, sure it's not very heroic but it can be the choice between continuing a good life or a painful end trying to defend a stranger in a situation that may become worse because of your intervention. Remember the public here have no idea this is an experiment, they will/should be considering the chances the guy may have a knife. Now either one of them could have, the second more clean cut guy many might figure less so, not just on clothing/physical look but also on demeanour & vibe he gives off. Add to this surroundings, first guy is often around the side, in corners, second guy in the middle of mall exposed 360 degrees by people and in view. Second guy could easily run off and not feel cornered, and can be seen more easily by more people who may get involved if things escalate. First guy could feel cornered in a 'fight or flight response' and so feel more urge to fight if challenged feeling there is no other way out. They would really need to rerun experiment with guys with more common variables for it to really demonstrate what you described.

[mies]

Experiment may be putting across a point but unfortunately it's not really valid as they did not keep the controls (the other variables) the same or even similar in both experiments. Most men will weighup the situation first, some may not/or go in regardless of what head is telling them, sure it's not very heroic but it can be the choice between continuing a good life or a painful end trying to defend a stranger in a situation that may become worse because of your intervention. Remember the public here have no idea this is an experiment, they will/should be considering the chances the guy may have a knife. Now either one of them could have, the second more clean cut guy many might figure less so, not just on clothing/physical look but also on demeanour & vibe he gives off. Add to this surroundings, first guy is often around the side, in corners, second guy in the middle of mall exposed 360 degrees by people and in view. Second guy could easily run off and not feel cornered, and can be seen more easily by more people who may get involved if things escalate. First guy could feel cornered in a 'fight or flight response' and so feel more urge to fight if challenged feeling there is no other way out. They would really need to rerun experiment with guys with more common variables for it to really demonstrate what you described.

we can do all sort of things, sample size at least 100, add there somewhere White test, Chi-squared, ATT effect, run Probit on hypothetical "Dragonkid" (foreign male) being assaulted while dating a Caucasus girl in headscarf, and so on.
We may also do an independent survey/questionnaire to answer the question how likely are Muslim men (and women) vs. Russian/non-Muslim men (and women) to perceive the person of the opposite group has a knife (I suspect the perception will be skewed in both groups, plus many of the young men may in fact have knives.) We can get curious and ask a Russian focus group whether Dk looks sufficiently white and evaluate the risks of him being attacked by Russian NeoNazi.

Or we can skip all that, save ourselves much time and resources, and ask any random Muslim person from Caucasus region (or elsewhere) how and whether they would react in a situation like this one. Perform in-depth interviews with subject matter experts 

Just out of the curiosity, how can you form a control group for this particular experiment if you wanted to do it "the proper" way?

[Shadow]

Any experiment of such kind will get the results those who make the experiment wish to obtain.

[Bee Farmer]

Maybe you feel you have to lead with your wallet to make up for something else....but it sure isn't necessary to make 100K minimum salary to be qualified to give it a go with a woman from E. Europe.

It depends.

If a man is going to lead with his wallet, then I agree that $100K income is likely necessary.  He has to have the money to walk the walk.

If a man is going to lead with the quality of his character, I think he can get away with $50K a year, especially if the cost of living is low in his area.

(In my area, median household income is $45K.  Median home values are are about $130K.  It's a middle class rural area a short drive from a city of 750K people.  When I bought my first home, I paid cash, and back then I had never made more than $45K in a year prior to that.   I drive vehicles a few years old, and have never had an auto loan. 
You can have an average lifestyle for my area on $50K a year, and $75K a year is above average lifestyle.  I have a lifetime membership to a $70M athletic facility, and the local colleges and community foundations offer several symphony/orchestra concerts through the summer, usually free or low cost.)

If a man is divorced, he likely needs the $100K income because he is unable to lead with the quality of his character.  What can he offer a lady except his wallet?  How can a lady trust his promises...when he made the same promises to the lady before her, and then broke those promises?  A man is only as good as his word, and a divorced man has already shown that his word is not worth anything.

[Shadow]

  A man is only as good as his word, and a divorced man has already shown that his word is not worth anything.

In the name of gender equality I would like to bring up it may not have been his decision or doing.

[GuppyCaptain]

If a man is divorced, he likely needs the $100K income because he is unable to lead with the quality of his character.  What can he offer a lady except his wallet?  How can a lady trust his promises...when he made the same promises to the lady before her, and then broke those promises?  A man is only as good as his word, and a divorced man has already shown that his word is not worth anything.

Farmer, this is outright trolling, right? You know April Fools Day is long gone, don't you?

[Bee Farmer]

In the name of gender equality I would like to bring up it may not have been his decision or doing.

Whether or not the other person does not do what they promised does not relieve the man of the obligations he promised to do.  He made these promises unconditionally.  (At least the vows in USA ceremonies make unconditional promises.)

Farmer, this is outright trolling, right? You know April Fools Day is long gone, don't you?

I'm not trolling.  I'm serious.  I would never consider getting married to someone who was divorced.  How could you trust them?  They made the same promises to someone else, and they didn't keep them.  The 'forsaking all others until death do us part' eliminates any possibility for future relationships with anyone else.

If you're not willing to make that kind of commitment to someone, then you have no business getting married.
And if you do make that commitment, you need to keep it, regardless of how the other person treats you.

That is what people of integrity do.

As Orwell said, "In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act."

[Shadow]

Whether or not the other person does not do what they promised does not relieve the man of the obligations he promised to do.  He made these promises unconditionally.  (At least the vows in USA ceremonies make unconditional promises.)

That means if your wife hands you divorce papers you will kill the both of you? I see no other option...

[BillyB]

I would never consider getting married to someone who was divorced.  How could you trust them? 

You're religious so you do understand everybody has flaws? That's what your church should be teaching. Your church also should be teaching you God forgives and so should you. If not and you're looking for perfection, you'll have to wait till you get to Heaven.

[LiveFromUkraine]

You're religious so you do understand everybody has flaws? That's what your church should be teaching. Your church also should be teaching you God forgives and so should you. If not and you're looking for perfection, you'll have to wait till you get to Heaven.

I have found the majority of overly religious people to be hypocrites.  Our Bee Farmer is a great example when it comes to judging others.


I learned this at a young age and it put me off of religions in general.  I have my beliefs, but they are not specific to any religion.

[BillyB]

I have found the majority of overly religious people to be hypocrites.  Our Bee Farmer is a great example when it comes to judging others.

I read Bee Farmer the same way. He will use Bible teachings to make the point he wants such as say divorce is bad and not acknowledge other Bible teachings. But if someday he is divorced and is trying to convince a woman with his same views to marry him, he will talk about forgiveness is divine to convince her he deserves a second chance in life. I'm not surprised he views everybody here as an outcast. But he should remember has sinned too and will be judged as harsh as he judges others.

[GuppyCaptain]

I'm not trolling.  I'm serious.  I would never consider getting married to someone who was divorced.  How could you trust them?  They made the same promises to someone else, and they didn't keep them.  The 'forsaking all others until death do us part' eliminates any possibility for future relationships with anyone else.

How can I put this nicely........YOU'RE CRAZY 

[GuppyCaptain]

......and extremely naive.

[TigerPaws]

Whether or not the other person does not do what they promised does not relieve the man of the obligations he promised to do.  He made these promises unconditionally.  (At least the vows in USA ceremonies make unconditional promises.)

Not necessary true Farmer, marriage is a legal contract and there is no established verbiage which must be said. A couple is free to say anything they want and not all marriages are performed in the U.S.

We have had culturally appropriate marriage ceremonies in 8 countries because we thought it would be fun and it was, plus I figure if she married me all over the world in different cultures and faiths then the possibility of divorcing me is damn near impossible.    

[TigerPaws]

Whether or not the other person does not do what they promised does not relieve the man of the obligations he promised to do.  He made these promises unconditionally.  (At least the vows in USA ceremonies make unconditional promises.)

I'm not trolling.  I'm serious.  I would never consider getting married to someone who was divorced.  How could you trust them?  They made the same promises to someone else, and they didn't keep them.  The 'forsaking all others until death do us part' eliminates any possibility for future relationships with anyone else.

If you're not willing to make that kind of commitment to someone, then you have no business getting married.
And if you do make that commitment, you need to keep it, regardless of how the other person treats you.

That is what people of integrity do.

As Orwell said, "In a time of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act."

Interesting "I'm not trolling.  I'm serious.  I would never consider getting married to someone who was divorced.  How could you trust them?  They made the same promises to someone else, and they didn't keep them.  The 'forsaking all others until death do us part' eliminates any possibility for future relationships with anyone else"

I specifically looked for a Lady who had been divorced and we have been married for almost 16 years, we have been together for over 18 years now. Additionally my wife was raised in a Muslim household, well half a household, her mother and grandmother were Muslim and her father was a fairly high official in the Soviet Communist Party. Yes my Lady is an Agnostic as am I.

Not everyone is governed by religious beliefs and not everyone is an Atheist, some simply do not care about a belief system.

The belief that one system of beliefs is better than another is personification of Hubris.

[Vaughn]

Farmer, this is outright trolling, right? You know April Fools Day is long gone, don't you?

Bee Farmer takes an incredibly complex issue and boils it down to a sweeping judgment.

I vote Troll.

[Larry1]

Bee Farmer takes an incredibly complex issue and boils it down to a sweeping judgment.

I vote Troll.

Farmer, this is outright trolling, right? You know April Fools Day is long gone, don't you?

But you don't weigh in the balance the fact that B F'er is willing to provide both medical and psychological diagnoses to members at no charge.

[dragonkid]

When i was in russia i was stopped by two officers (White russians), asked me for my papers. I left them at my place, so i showed them copies on my phone, they ended up going through my phone, i knew because of the smirk on their faces. They saw my ex photo of bite marks on her neck, us two together, and photos of other girls, they probably thought i was a sex tourist. They were friendly, let me go without asking for a bribe, foolishly i got out my wallet to show them my ID, and instantly i knew i fucked up because i had money in it.

Divorced women, or a woman from a divorced family is a huge red flags. I wouldn't say i would never date someone like that, but it would be a red flag for me. That is why i want to go for a more traditional woman, who is saving herself for marriage.

[LAman]

But you don't weigh in the balance the fact that B F'er is willing to provide both medical and psychological diagnoses to members at no charge.

Hmmmm, here ..........I thought that was normal for RWD. Irregardless for whether it is good, bad, accurate or inaccurate diagnois...as long as the members here can have their say in 'any' matter being discussed.

[Slumba]

A man is only as good as his word, and a divorced man has already shown that his word is not worth anything.

A good guess is that 90% of the people on this site are divorced.

What does it say about a person who continues to post on a forum where he doesn't have any respect for any of them?

BTW, I do have a positive suggestion for you, one you can implement inside of two months (assuming you are able to walk well, I remember you broke your foot a while back):

Go on the St. Nicholas procession.

You can fly to Russia in June, have enough time to find a buddy or two to go with you, and participate in the spiritual life of Russian people.

Maybe even meet a girl there; if not, it is something that will show you are serious about faith and not a lightweight  like the rest of us on this forum.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/velikkoretsky-procession/

There is a video in English, from RT.com , at the bottom of the page, describing it.

[Shadow]

Divorced women, or a woman from a divorced family is a huge red flags. I wouldn't say i would never date someone like that, but it would be a red flag for me. That is why i want to go for a more traditional woman, who is saving herself for marriage.

While obviously not adhering to the same standard.....

[Willby]

I think any woman that wants to move to your country will expect you to improve her standards of living prior. You need to realise that these women want a better life. Some women are in different financial situations, my ex could find rich men, but they were too old (40-50's russians), she needed a man that was stable, loved her, and was some what attractive. My ex and a few others i know are i very good financial situation. I never showered my ex in gifts, i bought her flowers twice, and her mum some vodka. My ex never liked me buying her the flowers, told me not to spend anything till we were married. I read a few stories of girls asking guys to buy them stuff, i even got a message from a girl hinting that i should send her a gift as women's day was approaching, those are the women you abort.

Yeah, this is a sort of technique they use to get use of you... However, I am ok if I send a few flowers and next time she will agree to meet up and hang out with me in Kiev. Listen, I know all this stuff... But still, we all know and we all use dating sites cause admit Russians, Ukrainians are really hot. I'm currently struck on heandshetoday.com
I love those girls! So can't just shake them Lol!

[dragonkid]

While obviously not adhering to the same standard.....

[Gator]

In this thread we have the sighting of TIGER PAWS and VAUGHN, two members of RWD's unofficial Hall of Fame. 

I point this out because few here will recognize the two of you, and certainly don't know of your long, loving and continuing marriages to incredible FSU wives.   

Thanks guys for revisiting us after such a long absence. 

Dragonkid, many of us here have been around the block. You have had some success, yet you have just begun the journey.  I suggest you evaluate the advice you receive her and not dismiss it simply because it does not fit your model.  YOU ARE NOT AS PRECOCIOUS AS YOU MAY THINK.  In other words, you are far from infallible, and this journey is replete with pitfalls.