What to search for in a dating site?

[JayH]

Frankly, the thought of some keyboard romeos descending on vk.com - or using it as 'verification' doesn't thrill me with enthusiasm.

THEY use the site to find old friends and join group on stuff that interests them ... not to be pestered

I am not exactly on the list that agrees with Moby---- BUT--

His comments are 100% correct here.
I have said it before and I will repeat it--the advise to use VK is total crap.FULLSTOP.
The same people keep repeating it here.
The fact is--you are far more likely to get contact broken & prevented than accepted.
It is like blundering into someones world uninvited-- and more specifically in a totally unwanted way--  fcs THINK ABOUT IT  !!
As for checking--most people I see here are incapable of understanding the information at hand- so will get it wrong anyway.
For those advising use it--have a good look at some of the posters on this site-I would not want them on any social media site I was present on-- so why promote the idea.This thread alone has enough alarming comment in itself.
If you must look-- do no more than look-in other contact methods-if she agrees-then fine.
I can list 100 reasons why you should not be jumping at her on VK( & /or other social media sites)-like I said-think about it.

[2tallbill]

Pretty elusive, Moby.

 I think many forum users would make use of this software to review the VK database.  And, considering the number of scammers that have contacted forum users, I think this is a valuable service that the forum can provide:  Advising members how to do a sophisticated check of the VK dataset.

I agree it would be a neat tool to have, however If you don't join an agency that
restricts exchanging contact information then you probably won't need to search
the database. If she says her name is Anna Sexipoppa from Omsk and her birthday
is Feb 14 1984 then you can find the girl easy enough.

If you talk to her on the phone and on Skype every day then it's very unlikely that
she is a scammer.

The tool would be best for the guys who want to use websites that most of us tell
guys to avoid.

[jone]

Au Contraire, Mon Ami,

Scamming has moved off the PPL and PPC sites and moved over to the more traditional subscription sites.  Last night I looked at three possible scammers on a subscription site, found that one was real and two were fakes.  It was a valuable tool (and adds to your arsenal) in making sure that your correspondent is who she says she is.  Obviously, you don't ask for her VK profile the first time you talk to a lady?  Or do you? 

[2tallbill]

Au Contraire, Mon Ami,

Scamming has moved off the PPL and PPC sites and moved over to the more traditional subscription sites.  Last night I looked at three possible scammers on a subscription site, found that one was real and two were fakes.  It was a valuable tool (and adds to your arsenal) in making sure that your correspondent is who she says she is.  Obviously, you don't ask for her VK profile the first time you talk to a lady?  Or do you?

No, I don't but those scammers aren't going to want to talk on the phone or chat by
Skype either. They eliminate themselves. No, I don't ask for a girls VK profile, that
early but if she says her name is Veronica Verycutesmile and she's from Tver I might
look her up.

[jone]

Bill,

There are scammers who do wish to talk on the phone or on Skype.  It is simply a numbers game and they will do whatever they choose to do to make money.  If they have a hot prospect, a Skype call is perfectly legitimate.  What they won't do is spend a lot of time on a relationship.  But then, you wouldn't want to spend ANY time on a relationship if you know that the person is not legitimate.

I may sound cynical, but you and I have both been around the block and scamming appears in many formats.  Having the above application simply adds to your arsenal for a quick ID check.  Sophisticated scammers are putting up more than one VK or FB account with the same pictures.  One of the things this application does is points out more than one VK account.  Including, sometimes, the woman's boyfriend's account (because they have the same pictures.)

[msmobyone]

 Having the above application simply adds to your arsenal for a quick ID check.

No, it doesn't. Jone..

I challenge you to find SC's profile  on vk using the tool - she is using the photo in my profile.

Beel is bang on .. Many vk profiles are just  folk pretending to be something they wish they were ..

[David1963]

Scamming is a business big and small.  There are large businesses built around scamming (Anastasia, etc.).  Small businesses, individual ladies and husband wife teams.  They make money off phone calls, gifts and dates.  It is a big business taking money from lonely or desperate men.  Often men who are seeking something that is out of their league.

This scamming business is also just as big in the FSU as it is here in the US.  (Did this slip by anyone?)

The first step is to do research, finding this forum is proof that you are doing some research.
Listening to successful people on here and taking their advice would be step 2.

It's tough to find a good way to communicate with someone you don't share a language with.  I chose to use an agency that I found through recommendations from successful people (Kherson girls).
Even with a good agency, there are still scammers, good-time girls and pro daters.

All this other BS about online checking and crap is worthless unless you are ready to go visit, meet them in person with planned follow up visits to date them.

If you are looking specifically to find someone out of your league, go to Asia.  The FSU ladies might marry you but will leave once they find a better deal here.
 

[ML]

If you are looking specifically to find someone out of your league, go to Asia.  The FSU ladies might marry you but will leave once they find a better deal here.

And the Asia gals won't ?

Any statistics or even logic to back that up ?

[David1963]

And the Asia gals won't ?

Any statistics or even logic to back that up ?

Yep, seen it happen a number of times.

Asian is no sure bet either.  China, Vietnam and Thialand are the best bet.  Try and find ones without a local network of relatives, they would be less likely to leave.

You could do like one guy I know and keep her locked up in the house and scare her by not letter her answer the door because there are bad people out there.

[msmobyone]

You could do like one guy I know and keep her locked up in the house and scare her by not letter her answer the door because there are bad people out there.

I'm reading your posts re Asian ladies and hoping your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek ..

[jone]

No, it doesn't. Jone..

I challenge you to find SC's profile  on vk using the tool - she is using the photo in my profile.

Beel is bang on .. Many vk profiles are just  folk pretending to be something they wish they were ..

Sorry, Moby,

I am calling BS on you.  On one side, you claim to have pulled five VK references to the OPs correspondent.  When challeged for the source, you reference, in obscurity, without revealing how you accomplished it, a newspaper article.  In other words, you did not wish to share your method for obtaining these VK references above.  So, I went and actually found the Facial Recognition Software.  And used it.  It revealed women from a subscription service website as scammers.  I am happy to share my results with anyone that would challenge me .... oops.  I already did!

So, then you come back on the forum and claim that the application I'm using cannot find your girlfriend.  (Why would I want to find your girlfriend?  Is there something I should know?)  As if to say, the software doesn't work.  So, you refuse to share your method for obtaining the Op's correspondent.  And when challenged on it, still do not reveal it.  And then when someone comes up with a method for discovery, you say that method doesn't work.  But, again, you can't be bothered by it.

You are talking out of both sides of your .....

Either you found the woman, and can share how you did it.  Or you didn't find the woman and were lying to us above because you couldn't make the software work.  Either way, you were misleading the forum for your own aggrandizement.

[jone]

Why should the forum not be aware of an application that allows you to ascertain, when first meeting a woman, if she is legit or if she is using someone else's pics?  I would think that the forum would rejoice at such an offering.  Instead, I have three long time members saying that it is intrusive.

Social media is offered for, well, social activities.  It is not meant to be hidden.  It is meant to be looked at.  And to be able to understand who a woman is (or is not) as you are making  first contact is something that almost all of us would like to do. 

As for the three long time members, one is married, one is in a long time relationship, and the third one, to me, seems hypocritical (because I know that he actually uses methods to determine who women are, just as the software does).

We try and give our membership every tool possible to make good connections and with legitimate women.  If an application allows a forum member to be more productive, then I think it should be shared.

[msmobyone]

Sorry, Moby,

I am calling BS on you.  On one side, you claim to have pulled five VK references to the OPs correspondent.  When challeged for the source, you reference, in obscurity, without revealing how you accomplished it, a newspaper article.  In other words, you did not wish to share your method for obtaining these VK references above. 

Your 'call' is somewhat incorrect .. I made it VERY clear why I wasn't keen to 'spill' - leaving it to those who had brains to find it ... hoping they would 'get' why I didn't share....

So, I went and actually found the Facial Recognition Software.  And used it.  It revealed women from a subscription service website as scammers.  I am happy to share my results with anyone that would challenge me .... oops.  I already did!

Have you ever known a lass who was listed on a 'scammers' site who wasn't a scammer, Jone ? I have... penny dropping,yet ?

So, then you come back on the forum and claim that the application I'm using cannot find your girlfriend.  (Why would I want to find your girlfriend?  Is there something I should know?) 

It would indeed appear I was generous in my estimation of your grey matter's efficiency.. I subsequently, tested the software with known friends -and sensible privacy settings  - they weren't found...

My t'other half was an example.. I know that if you tried - you'd fail ..

That you would read more into my  simple words makes you the sort of guy I worried about ..

As if to say, the software doesn't work.  So, you refuse to share your method for obtaining the Op's correspondent.  And when challenged on it, still do not reveal it.  And then when someone comes up with a method for discovery, you say that method doesn't work.  But, again, you can't be bothered by it.

The clue to your convoluted response was above....
 

You are talking out of both sides of your .....

Either you found the woman, and can share how you did it.  Or you didn't find the woman and were lying to us above because you couldn't make the software work.  Either way, you were misleading the forum for your own aggrandizement.

I found 5 plus profiles using the op's  photo from a profile... I am willing to share that with him - privately.

So, this software is unlikely to find the 'sensible' lady - not allowing searches by her tel. number  / email address - hence my - subsequently -  revising it's 'usefulness'..

[Willby]

I am not exactly on the list that agrees with Moby---- BUT--

His comments are 100% correct here.
I have said it before and I will repeat it--the advise to use VK is total crap.FULLSTOP.
The same people keep repeating it here.
The fact is--you are far more likely to get contact broken & prevented than accepted.
It is like blundering into someones world uninvited-- and more specifically in a totally unwanted way--  fcs THINK ABOUT IT  !!
As for checking--most people I see here are incapable of understanding the information at hand- so will get it wrong anyway.
For those advising use it--have a good look at some of the posters on this site-I would not want them on any social media site I was present on-- so why promote the idea.This thread alone has enough alarming comment in itself.
If you must look-- do no more than look-in other contact methods-if she agrees-then fine.
I can list 100 reasons why you should not be jumping at her on VK( & /or other social media sites)-like I said-think about it.

Yeah! Totally agree! I  tried to find  a Slavic girl on vk. They do accept but seems like for amount, you know... Not for relationships. So dropped this idea. Now i am struck in heandshetoday.com   and... had already a few calls and planning to come to see some girls from Kiev

[Shadow]

Yeah! Totally agree! I  tried to find  a Slavic girl on vk. They do accept but seems like for amount, you know... Not for relationships. So dropped this idea. Now i am struck in heandshetoday.com   and... had already a few calls and planning to come to see some girls from Kiev

Using VK is about the same as tring to date by using Facebook.

[Willby]

Au Contraire, Mon Ami,

Scamming has moved off the PPL and PPC sites and moved over to the more traditional subscription sites.  Last night I looked at three possible scammers on a subscription site, found that one was real and two were fakes.  It was a valuable tool (and adds to your arsenal) in making sure that your correspondent is who she says she is.  Obviously, you don't ask for her VK profile the first time you talk to a lady?  Or do you?

I don't. It's forbidden. But after the first date we can do whatever we want to do. See i met her on heandshetoday.com
Yeah, I know you're guys are against those dating sites. But where else can I find a Slavic girl? So I had already a few calls. I liked some of them. Can even post her pic.

[Willby]

H, everyone! Recently I have read the article about Russian Kim Kardashian. This one has all those curves, you know... So what do you think - it's national or just an individual thing? By the way, she lives now in the USA.
I met a few Ukrainians in my life. They seemed sweet and looked good. Actually this is one of the reasons why i'm struck on heandshetoday - it is full of them! Just wanna find a hot one and be happy no matter what.
Now i'm moving slowly. i wish it were faster, you know all this stuff...
but some of girls are devine.

[2tallbill]

I don't. It's forbidden. But after the first date we can do whatever we want to do. See i met her on heandshetoday.com
Yeah, I know you're guys are against those dating sites. But where else can I find a Slavic girl? So I had already a few calls. I liked some of them. Can even post her pic.

Willby, several very experienced forum members have given you advice but you
are determined not to follow it. You asked where else can you find a Slavic girl,
and I provided a link that has many sites to find them but obviously you didn't
look at the link or you wouldn't be asking the question.

Since you are ignoring the advice, I am going to write this for the other newbies
reading this thread and you can continue ignoring whatever I say.

The girl is 20 old. I always advise meeting girls who are at least 25 years old because
20 year old girls don't know what they want and change their minds as often as they
change their underwear. They rarely have the life experience for an international
marriage (or a local marriage in my opinion).

20 year old girls are like bread you put into the oven for 15 minutes. The bread looks
firm and tasty on the outside but it's not finished on the inside yet.

My next piece of advice is to NEVER post a photo of a girl you plan to meet in the FSU
on a public forum. Most of the people here wish you the best and will try to help you
however, there are men (a$$holes) here that have nothing better to do than to cause
you grief. You don't want one of those men here to find and contact that girl and spoil
things for you. 

If you are determined to meet that girl with this agency then make a backup plan that
doesn't involve that agency.

In my opinion here is what will happen. You will go to the girls city and pay $150-250
to meet her with an agency translator who may or may not charge an additional fee.
She will probably get a commission of $50 to $100 for meeting you. The minute you
want to meet her alone or with your own translator she stops getting commissions
and she will lose interest and refuse. If you agree to meet with her and her translator
they will milk you for a lot of money and in the end you won't get the girl.

Phone calls are $3 per minute or $180 per hour. She will want to make many phone
calls. $180 an hour is far too much money for the FSU for a service like this and is
much too tempting for an agency to act badly.

If you are determined to ignore the advice of the experienced members here who
have extensive experience finding, meeting and dating women from the FSU then
go ahead.

For those who are reading this who want to know what to do.

Read this link from beginning to end about good sites and how to make a backup plan
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Udachi!

Bill

[dragonkid]

Willby, several very experienced forum members have given you advice but you
are determined not to follow it. You asked where else can you find a Slavic girl,
and I provided a link that has many sites to find them but obviously you didn't
look at the link or you wouldn't be asking the question.

Since you are ignoring the advice, I am going to write this for the other newbies
reading this thread and you can continue ignoring whatever I say.

The girl is 20 old. I always advise meeting girls who are at least 25 years old because
20 year old girls don't know what they want and change their minds as often as they
change their underwear. They rarely have the life experience for an international
marriage (or a local marriage in my opinion).

20 year old girls are like bread you put into the oven for 15 minutes. The bread looks
firm and tasty on the outside but it's not finished on the inside yet.

My next piece of advice is to NEVER post a photo of a girl you plan to meet in the FSU
on a public forum. Most of the people here wish you the best and will try to help you
however, there are men (a$$holes) here that have nothing better to do than to cause
you grief. You don't want one of those men here to find and contact that girl and spoil
things for you. 

If you are determined to meet that girl with this agency then make a backup plan that
doesn't involve that agency.

In my opinion here is what will happen. You will go to the girls city and pay $150-250
to meet her with an agency translator who may or may not charge an additional fee.
She will probably get a commission of $50 to $100 for meeting you. The minute you
want to meet her alone or with your own translator she stops getting commissions
and she will lose interest and refuse. If you agree to meet with her and her translator
they will milk you for a lot of money and in the end you won't get the girl.

Phone calls are $3 per minute or $180 per hour. She will want to make many phone
calls. $180 an hour is far too much money for the FSU for a service like this and is
much too tempting for an agency to act badly.

If you are determined to ignore the advice of the experienced members here who
have extensive experience finding, meeting and dating women from the FSU then
go ahead.

For those who are reading this who want to know what to do.

Read this link from beginning to end about good sites and how to make a backup plan
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Udachi!

Bill

Save your time he is working for that site, he posted a few times on other threads what site he is using.

[2tallbill]

H, everyone! Recently I have read the article about Russian Kim Kardashian. This one has all those curves, you know... So what do you think - it's national or just an individual thing? By the way, she lives now in the USA.
I met a few Ukrainians in my life. They seemed sweet and looked good. Actually this is one of the reasons why i'm struck on heandshetoday - it is full of them! Just wanna find a hot one and be happy no matter what.
Now i'm moving slowly. i wish it were faster, you know all this stuff...
but some of girls are devine.

I did a search of girls between the ages of 18 and 40 years old. ONLY 2 of the girls
has advanced English. That's because you don't need $180 per hour to have a call
with a girl with advanced English.

It's the money that the agency pays in commissions that ensures that there will
be gorgeous girls who look divine and want to talk with you.

[2tallbill]

Save your time he is working for that site, he posted a few times on other threads what site he is using.

,
There are 12 guests reading this thread as I write this, and many more will read
this over time. This advice is for them. The majority of the people who come to
the forum to read and learn but don't participate. They come across these sites
where everything seems too good to be true and now they know why and how and
what to do.

Udachi!

Bill

[Shadow]

For USD 20 per month I can provide you with a local phone number in Kiev.
For USD 40 per month you get unlimited calls added to it.

That means that if you can get a girl to it for 4 hours a day calling some men, 5 days a week (she can answer mail for one hour without getting too much work stress) it will bring in over USD 15.000 per month. Letīs say you split 70/30 with the girl, she still gets USD 5000.

No idea who this girl will marry, but your income will have to beat what she makes on these phone calls....

PS: Be sure to take the phone numbers of these girls, we might set up a competitor. 

[BillyB]

H, everyone! Recently I have read the article about Russian Kim Kardashian. This one has all those curves, you know... So what do you think - it's national or just an individual thing? By the way, she lives now in the USA.

Do you have a link to that article? Kim has Armenian roots. Although Russia had control over Armenia for a long time, Kim looks more Persian than Slavic/Russian. If you like big butts and curves like Kim has, Slavic women aren't for you.

By the way, she lives now in the USA.

She was born in America.

[Maxx2]

In my opinion here is what will happen. You will go to the girls city and pay $150-250
to meet her with an agency translator who may or may not charge an additional fee.
She will probably get a commission of $50 to $100 for meeting you. The minute you
want to meet her alone or with your own translator she stops getting commissions
and she will lose interest and refuse. If you agree to meet with her and her translator
they will milk you for a lot of money and in the end you won't get the girl.

That is exactly what happened to a friend of mine in Ukraine. He quoted me the same exact numbers too. $20 and hour for translator....

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Rex <> wrote:
hello Maxx, Please get me out of here, haha. I think this Country forgot its name is Ukraine, not Paris, France.And these girls are nutz. Never in my life have I seen a 61" 95 lb woman eat like a horse. And they have no regard for the cost, it is nothing to them to order $100+ USD bottles of wine, added to their 3 or 4 course lunch. And if you say something then you are cheap and they want nothing to do with you.Ukraine sure has changed in the ten years I have been here.
I am halfway through my visit here and cannot wait to get home and delete my agency account. I have met a couple really nice ladies, some real dogs, and have had some no shows or they come the few days late. I cannot wait to tell you about the two I met that want a 'man' so badly but are already married to their work. Really unbelievable.
I arrive home on the late evening of the 22nd of March so plan on a long conversation the next evening or thereabouts.
Met the owner of a local agency and she spent a lot of time going over several ladies with me, met two of her ladies, interesting stories there.
we will speak soon.
Rex




On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:59 AM, Rex a <> wrote:
Good Morning Maxx,
Couple more examples, again at lunch or dinner. Common for them to order an appetizer platter which from the menus in English that I have seen say they are suitable for up to 8 persons,, well the platter can be about 1500 rph +/- we are a table of three so if we devour it there is not much room to eat more. But then the salad comes, the main course and the desert. Or like the 54 year old, she has an appetizer, salad, then her main course comes and she is so stuffed she doesnt touch it, not one bite of her grilled fish at 850 rph +/-, yep gets thrown away untouched. Funny how soups are a common staple here yet not one girl has ever ordered a soup ?? I have them all the time as the only I eat at the meal.







seems so, and the worse part is, you are having lunch, they are speaking with the waiter in what we do not understand so we do not know it until the check comes.</blockquote>
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[BillyB]

seems so, and the worse part is, you are having lunch, they are speaking with the waiter in what we do not understand so we do not know it until the check comes.

Another reason to avoid agency girls who have plenty of experience milking all they can out of a guy. Your friend should know that he is on a date with a lady to figure her out. Just because she accepted a date with him doesn't mean she respects him and his money. He has a menu and he can see the prices. He should not let the woman dictate the order in a 5 star restaurant he didn't pick on a first date. There is no reason for a lady to order a $100 bottle of wine unless she hates the guy she's on a date with.

Usually there is a menu outside of the door of expensive restaurants. Most of the guys at the forum aren't Donald Trump so if you can't afford what is on the menu, tell the lady you don't want to eat there. You don't have to give her a reason and if she can't respect your wish, she doesn't like you so it's best to end the date before you spend $400 to feed her one meal. These girls are pros at separating money men from their money. Don't be stupid and let a person, who is sometimes half your age, take advantage of you.