Is it usual for Ukrainian Women to be inaffectionate when starting relationship?

[treadmilldude]

Dude!!


First mistake was letting the crab crowd you cared about their opinions.


Second mistake was to apologize for caring about their opinions.


So Dude, go to Belarus and have fun. Maybe you'll get lucky and find the woman of your dreams. And if it doesn't work out, try again. Sometime the chase is the best part.


Final thoughts. Never, and I mean never pay for any letters or any type of communications with a babe using an agency.


Go have fun, and I'm not being sarcastic. 

Both of those points are valid points Muzh. You are right and I have already taken them to heart.

Interesting that in the last 12 hours, I have received a few PM's expressing quite negative, nasty opinions of Billy. I was under the assumption he is well-liked and respected here. I still think he is, generally, but evidently, and unbeknownst to me, affection for Billy here at RWD is not universal, he does have a fairly sizeable number of detractors. I have only been here for a month, I have no idea why so many members here do not like Billy. I have not had a chance to read many of his threads, nor will I waste my time reading his threads.

Billy, I gave you my exact biographical data to allow you to pull my profile up on Mamba in less than 5 seconds. In less than 5 seconds Billy, with the info. I have given you, you will find me on Mamba. I gave you my exact biographical data to be able to pull up my VK profile in less than 5 seconds. In less than 5 seconds Billy, with the info. I have given you, you will find me on VK. And you will find a crap load of pictures of me showing my "abs" you so badly want to see and every other "muscle group" in my body that evidently you are dreaming about seeing. If you don't have (10) seconds to spare, then that is your problem, not mine dude. Spend a little less time obsessing over hundreds of posts of mine (who in the world goes to RUA and reads all of my posts there? Weirdo. Too much time on his hands.) on RUA and RWD and I am sure you can find the requisite 10 seconds to find me on Mamba and VK.

I also find it a little odd that a man that "claims" to be heterosexual is begging me for these half nude pictures in extremely specific, peculiar poses. Sounds to me like some gay fetish you have Billy. No, I will skip sending you the gay pictures with the strange erotic poses. But you have a crap load of half nude pics of me on Mamba and VK, so I hope that will be enough jerk-off material for you for the next few days.

These dudes who have PM'ed me in the last 12 hours about you are correct, you really are a douchebag. True, a lot of guys on RWD think you are a great guy. But there is a pretty significant number of guys on this board that, LOL, do not feel that way about you and do not like you even a tiny bit. They do not like you even a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit Billy. They know you way better than I do.

Now that I have given you my very personal biographical data (which I now completely regret doing, big mistake on my part), we will see if, suddenly, the entire board finds out my identity. We'll see if you are as honorable a man as you say you are Billy. Time will tell if you are an honorable man.

Whereas you have been continuously caustic and maleficent in your treatment of me, I do not regret saying many nice, kind, sweet things about you and your Wife. I am a nice guy and I enjoy giving compliments to people. It's who I am, I am a nice person.

[treadmilldude]

You have sent no pictures and little info about yourself. I'm not going to Google search for your profiles at agencies and social sites. If you want me to find you, sent me direct links and I'll vouch that you're the bodybuilder you say you are that has lots of FSU women friends.


You wrote your last post to me 2AM Texas time. When do you sleep? Bodybuilding takes lots of time. You got the money to write women and if you're buying expensive nutrients and steroids, you must have a job. With what you spent at ADate and with the cost of using other agencies, it's easy to assume you spent over 10K over the 2 years you been writing women. Somebody has to pay for it.


Every week it seems you have a new favorite girl you dream of marriage with. The girls you were talking about on the other forum are not the same girls you are talking about on this forum so the girl you're dreaming to be married to now may not be your favorite next week. You haven't gotten on a plane since you started 2 years ago and it could be years before you do get on a plane. If you want people to read about your favorite girl everyday for the next few months or years, don't you think it's fair to us that you verify you are the person you say you are? You're a bodybuilder with a six pack and Schwarzenegger body and if you send me the pick in the pose I ask with the sign that I asked for, I'll vouch for you that you're real. You've been a member of the anobolicboard for over 10 years. If you give me your handle, I can verify that the way you write here is the way you've always written. Don't worry that the handle has your real name. I won't give it to anybody and I don't have a reputation for trying to destroy people's private lives. Those people get banned here.




Two quotes, one here and one at the other forum that you made months ago. Which forum helped you get off ADate?



Dragonkid has been around long enough to see the photos. For some reason he thinks everybody else here is blind and will believe it when he tells them I attract overweight girls. He should learn to build some credibility first so his lies will be more effective.

Ahhhhh, so comforting and reassuring.

[BillyB]

Billy, I gave you my exact biographical data to allow you to pull my profile up on Mamba in less than 5 seconds. In less than 5 seconds Billy, with the info. I have given you, you will find me on Mamba. I gave you my exact biographical data to be able to pull up my VK profile in less than 5 seconds. In less than 5 seconds Billy, with the info.

The little data you gave me was not enough to effectively find you anywhere. It could've taken you 1 second to cut and paste links to your profiles into the PM you sent me if you really wanted to be found but instead you wanted to keep things mystery that has to be solved. I never disclose what is said in PM's but if you want to disclose what you gave me to the forum, maybe they can find you and verify you are who you say you are. People are thinking you're playing us or living in an endless fantasy world communicating with women you'll never visit. I know a woman in real life that has an online relationship for a man that's lasted 7 years. Both live in the States but they never met. She insists they love each other. These things happen. I'm not ruling out that you're into these online relationships too and rotate to new girls when the old girls get tired of it.

Spend a little less time obsessing over hundreds of posts of mine (who in the world goes to RUA and reads all of my posts there? Weirdo. Too much time on his hands.) on RUA and RWD and I am sure you can find the requisite 10 seconds to find me on Mamba and VK.

Doesn't take but a few seconds to search for words like "AnastasiaDate", "Body builder", ..etc with your name to compare it with what you're saying here. The time I spent on the other forum is a good investment since it will save time here when I don't read your postings. If you do leave us for another forum, I'm sure you'll thank them too for saving you from ADate like you thanked us and the previous forum.

I also find it a little odd that a man that "claims" to be heterosexual is begging me for these half nude pictures in extremely specific, peculiar poses. Sounds to me like some gay fetish you have Billy. No, I will skip sending you the gay pictures with the strange erotic poses. But you have a crap load of half nude pics of me on Mamba and VK, so I hope that will be enough jerk-off material for you for the next few days.

Trying to deflect the reason why I want to see the photos? If you said your pinky was crooked, I'd be asking for a photo of that pinky holding a sign. You claim got a six pack and a body like Schwarzenegger. If you are on that forum that gives out advice on steroids for the last 10+ years, you may indeed be buff.

These dudes who have PM'ed me in the last 12 hours about you are correct, you really are a douchebag. True, a lot of guys on RWD think you are a great guy. But there is a pretty significant number of guys on this board that, LOL, do not feel that way about you and do not like you even a tiny bit. They do not like you even a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit Billy. They know you way better than I do.

A tear runs down my cheek. They probably hate me because I treat them the same way they treat me and it doesn't feel good. I'm a nice guy to everybody that's nice to me. I show respect to those who are respectable. I bite when I'm bitten. You should be happy you have friends that like you enough to protect you from all that is bad. What else was in that gossip? What other posters do we need to guard against here?

[treadmilldude]

I gave you my name, Age, city and State - 5 seconds you will find me on Mamba. You will also find me in 5 seconds on VK. There are very few Texas Men on Mamba and VK. There are even fewer still that look like bodybuilders. You'll find me, spend 10 seconds Billy. The rest of your post, I have not even read nor will I. You are obsessed with me for some odd reason. I am not obsessed with you.

Very disappointing how you treat newbies, Billy. You are not kind or welcoming at all to newbies like myself. Believe it or not, you were a newbie at one point as well. 

[treadmilldude]

I right now make a $5 bet with this board that when I (hopefully) bring Olya and Veronica back to the States to live with me, and I post some really cool pictures of the 3 of us together, Billy will have some pretty nasty things to say about the three of us. Take pot shots at little Veronika who is not even old enough to defend herself from you, Billy. Pot shots at one of the sweetest girls on the planet, Olya. I am already prepared for it, so it will not come as any surprise to me. I have been warned about you through PM by several well-respected vets here. Oh well, mean people are always gonna be mean. Nice people are always gonna be nice. Focus on the nice people.

My Grandfather gave me a pearl a couple years before he died from Cancer. "I don't have time to hate people who hate me. Because I am too busy loving people who love me". When you take your pot shots at my future family and I, Billy, it is just gonna roll off my back like water off a duck's back.   

[treadmilldude]

Dude!!


First mistake was letting the crab crowd you cared about their opinions.


Second mistake was to apologize for caring about their opinions.


So Dude, go to Belarus and have fun. Maybe you'll get lucky and find the woman of your dreams. And if it doesn't work out, try again. Sometime the chase is the best part.


Final thoughts. Never, and I mean never pay for any letters or any type of communications with a babe using an agency.


Go have fun, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Good advice.

[JayH]

Anyone feeling a pull on their leg ?

Please don't tell me that it took  this long to work that out !

[dragonkid]

Don't worry about Dragon Kid his just throwing his toys out of his pram as the pain of me hitting the nail on the head of his botched/bs explanation of his work background sunk in. Women see it too, only being a guy at his age he thinks he can talk his way around it rather than the better path of just telling it straight (or at least putting it straight) which would make a better go off the situation. For all the women may know he could live of benefit in some council flat. Anyway, he'll be back with gusto soon with his cut price Ralph Lauren shirt from some bargain basement outlet store that we all do in the vain hope of impressing the girl, lol.

No seriously though, dragon kid, at least check out the advice you have been given, without doing so how can you judge its worth? See what EM site is like, give a  more straighter version of what you do, see its effects, try then judge its worth based on the results - others can often see what you can't from the outside looking in rather than from the inside looking out.

Yawn..... Don't worry about me, i will be fine in life. Last message is regarding remortgaging my house. I don't even want to fight amongst people on here. I wasn't going to reply (didn't reply to your attack on the other thread), anyways, thanks for your advice, i might check out EM sometime. But the name throws me off, sounds like models hired to talk to people, and for now, i am a member of ukraine/russian cupid for a year, i am not going to force things to happen anymore, just go and meet some people, have some fun . i really appreciate all the help given to me on here, really experienced guys that know what they are talking about, some of who just try and put you down , but you always have jealous people in life

[Gator]

I right now make a $5 bet with this board that when I (hopefully) bring Olya and Veronica back to the States to live with me, and I post some really cool pictures of the 3 of us together, Billy will have some pretty nasty things to say about the three of us. Take pot shots at little Veronika who is not even old enough to defend herself from you, Billy. Pot shots at one of the sweetest girls on the planet, Olya.

I will take that net.  I have known BillyB for many years, and I don't recall Billy taking potshots at wives or their children, nor any woman involved with a member.  OTOH, a number of people have fired cannons at BillyB regarding his wife (and his fiancée from a prior relationship). 

But before we start placing bets, you need to take a number of steps, starting with getting onto a plane to Belarus. 

[GoodOlBoy]

Interesting that in the last 12 hours, I have received a few PM's expressing quite negative, nasty opinions of Billy. I was under the assumption he is well-liked and respected here.

Chester the molester?... LOL 

[Miquel Westano]

Chester the molester?... LOL 

No one's feelings one way or the other about Billy have a thing to do with the rude comments DK made.  Personally, I think Billy is fine.  His private life is none of my business, and he has always been polite to me.   

This is the second cheap shot this guy has taken at a member based on physical appearance.  I would love to see the reactions if someone started criticizing other members looks, their wife or girlfriend's looks, or their kid's physical appearance.

Bottom line this is the second time he has had a hissy fit and turned it into a personal attack based on appearances.  DK is rude.  And nobody's opinion of Billy changes that. 

[msmobyone]

Yawn..... Don't worry about me, i will be fine in life. .. i am a member of ukraine/russian cupid for a year, i am not going to force things to happen anymore, just go and meet some people, have some fun . i really appreciate all the help given to me on here, really experienced guys that know what they are talking about, some of who just try and put you down , but you always have jealous people in life

DK

You are taking things way to personal 

Enjoy learning and making mistakes... 

[Trenchcoat]

So anyway back to me,  lol. Well I'm back now and things seem to be decent with this girl, she's contacted me a fair bit and vice versa, I'm pretty sure she is genuine about forming a relationship. There are/were good signs on holiday, she has since said it takes her a while to get used to me/people but we did by the end. I thought she got more comfortable as it went along not that it was real awkward at the beginning but perhaps not totally at ease.

Anyhue, my main concern and something that still vexes me is where to go from here. We seem to get on perfectly and she seems happy to be with me & interested in me as I am in her. Yet I would feel uneasy about a second meeting if I/we were still unsure about where we stood on affection with each other. I left pushing it (only mentioned it to her once at the end) when with her as I didn't wish it to risk messing up the good time we were having.  I obviously don't wish to p*ss her off now with it either seeing as we are making some progress and seem well matched. However, the thought of doing another platonic meeting  is uneasy for me as while I love her company I'm into this for relationship and would wonder when it might pick up. So just wondering on the best way to broach the subject with her?

[Faux Pas]

So anyway back to me,  lol. Well I'm back now and things seem to be decent with this girl, she's contacted me a fair bit and vice versa, I'm pretty sure she is genuine about forming a relationship. There are/were good signs on holiday, she has since said it takes her a while to get used to me/people but we did by the end. I thought she got more comfortable as it went along not that it was real awkward at the beginning but perhaps not totally at ease.

Anyhue, my main concern and something that still vexes me is where to go from here. We seem to get on perfectly and she seems happy to be with me & interested in me as I am in her. Yet I would feel uneasy about a second meeting if I/we were still unsure about where we stood on affection with each other. I left pushing it (only mentioned it to her once at the end) when with her as I didn't wish it to risk messing up the good time we were having.  I obviously don't wish to p*ss her off now with it either seeing as we are making some progress and seem well matched. However, the thought of doing another platonic meeting  is uneasy for me as while I love her company I'm into this for relationship and would wonder when it might pick up. So just wondering on the best way to broach the subject with her?

From here you start building on a relationship. Dating, discovery, daily contact and more trips to Ukraine. What would you do if she lived across town from you? Because of the economical differences you are able to upgrade to a quality woman you may not have been able to date at home however, there are no short cuts in building and developing a relationship. You're not picking out a sofa at Ikea. Neither is she. Now it's boy meets girl

[BillyB]

So just wondering on the best way to broach the subject with her?

Right now asking or demanding an increase of physical affection would be awkward. We don't have the ease of dating a woman overseas every few days like we do at home. A first meeting should be the meeting to really figure each other out. That didn't happen. If I were you, I would tell the lady goodbye. I would tell her all what I like about her but feel there is no physical chemistry between us. It would be easy for me to do because I know there are girls out there I will have no doubt they like me. It's not too late for you to say goodbye and if she really likes you like you think she does, she'll find a way to bring you back to her. Let her tell you how she'll keep you a happy man. The other option is you need to make a second visit to learn if she's capable of getting affectionate with you.

[Trenchcoat]

Right now asking or demanding an increase of physical affection would be awkward. We don't have the ease of dating a woman overseas every few days like we do at home. A first meeting should be the meeting to really figure each other out. That didn't happen. If I were you, I would tell the lady goodbye. I would tell her all what I like about her but feel there is no physical chemistry between us. It would be easy for me to do because I know there are girls out there I will have no doubt they like me. It's not too late for you to say goodbye and if she really likes you like you think she does, she'll find a way to bring you back to her. Let her tell you how she'll keep you a happy man. The other option is you need to make a second visit to learn if she's capable of getting affectionate with you.

I think a second visit is on the cards, I'm thinking Odessa, like Kiev direct flights from London. It's touristy beach resort in summer so would 've best to go then I'm thinking. Plus I don't want to leave the relationship too long in email/Skype mode. Being a more relaxed place than Kiev might help, I think she was warming to me quite well in the last day or so, so perhaps a bit more time together. The main thing is how to suggest to her about affection and how things stand. I know I can't demand it and it might be a little awkward but I need to know if she thinks it's likely on second visit. She's pretty genuine I think so just think of that now makes me think she would perhaps be likely to if she hinted at it.

I don't fancy the power play idea off telling her it's off, that might back fire badly with her thinking I was not that into her, etc which is not the case. My only thought is that if she showed little affection second time round that or other women may have to come into play, that would be another trip though so although she's good company it would be a bummer.

Has helped talking it through here actually, I thinking what I'll do is subtlety moot out the idea over the course of the following correspondence. If I don't get a strong enough signal that she is going to be more affectionate second time round I'll add on some extra days onto trip maybe time it with a AFA tour or something as while I'm willing to be reasonable if it looks like she's stringing me along its not really on. I can accept it can take a little while to get to know someone but if the relationship doesn't move forward I'll have no choice other than to give her back seat. Not what I want to do but only logical thing so hopefully she'll come around and it won't be necessary as I really like her.

[fathertime]

The main thing is how to suggest to her about affection and how things stand. I know I can't demand it and it might be a little awkward but I need to know if she thinks it's likely on second visit

. My only thought is that if she showed little affection second time round that

 If I don't get a strong enough signal that she is going to be more affectionate second time round

Hey Trenchcoat.   


I've read your account and yes at least to me it is on the strange side.  I handled a similar situation differently, so I'm going to make suggestions using that experience as a guide.


I think YOU have to take the lead big time, after all you are not there to be a platonic friend.  Create the vibe, move in close, don't ask...steal the kiss...If some reason she rebuffs, ask why....  I would have done this on the first trip for sure, but getting past that, I think it is time to pin your ears back and go for it...the onus is entirely on you to escalate this.


Good luck,
Fathertime! 

[Trenchcoat]

Hey Trenchcoat.   


I've read your account and yes at least to me it is on the strange side.  I handled a similar situation differently, so I'm going to make suggestions using that experience as a guide.


I think YOU have to take the lead big time, after all you are not there to be a platonic friend.  Create the vibe, move in close, don't ask...steal the kiss...If some reason she rebuffs, ask why....  I would have done this on the first trip for sure, but getting past that, I think it is time to pin your ears back and go for it...the onus is entirely on you to escalate this.


Good luck,
Fathertime!

Think there is something in this, the time certainly wasn't right in the first few day I think. We got on well but there was that physical distance. For example at end if the day she would barely look at me walking out the lift. Last couple of days she turned around looked at me and smiled so had become more warmer/used to me. Yeah it's not great for me being in a bit if an oddball situation but the rest is all right and I think she's coming along, I hope. So I'm thinking that her body posture will be more open to some affection next time so making move in more at ease. Though I think Ill stick with idea of sounding her out subtly beforehand in communication so she's on the level with an idea of the lines I'm thinking along.

[BillyB]

I think YOU have to take the lead big time, after all you are not there to be a platonic friend.  Create the vibe, move in close, don't ask...steal the kiss...If some reason she rebuffs, ask why....  I would have done this on the first trip for sure, but getting past that, I think it is time to pin your ears back and go for it...the onus is entirely on you to escalate this.

I agree Trenchcoat should take the lead and use suggestions by guys here on how to do that with FSU women but I don't think he should ask her why if she rebuffs him. What will he get out of the question? A promise from her that she'll open up more on the 3rd and 4th vacation he takes her on? Trenchcoat should not pressure her to improve physical affection. He should evaluate if she improves in that area on her own. If she doesn't improve, he needs to find a woman that will fulfill his needs.

[lyndontom]

I think a second visit is on the cards, I'm thinking Odessa, like Kiev direct flights from London. It's touristy beach resort in summer so would 've best to go then I'm thinking. Plus I don't want to leave the relationship too long in email/Skype mode. Being a more relaxed place than Kiev might help, I think she was warming to me quite well in the last day or so, so perhaps a bit more time together. The main thing is how to suggest to her about affection and how things stand. I know I can't demand it and it might be a little awkward but I need to know if she thinks it's likely on second visit. She's pretty genuine I think so just think of that now makes me think she would perhaps be likely to if she hinted at it.

Trenchcoat, I'm not aware of any direct flights to Odessa from London. I've travelled twice from Manchester via Istanbul and once from Kharkov (via Kiev). The Istanbul one leaves Manchester at 23.40 and arrives at 09.30 which I found suited me (despite being a little tired the following day) because it meant flying through the night and cutting out wasted time spending a day flying to Ukraine. A direct flight would be nice!


I agree with Fathertime; I think a second visit is in order to put the matter to bed (no pun intended) one way or another. I was in a similar situation previously and had to force the issue, but I'm glad I did because it allowed me to move on. The girl has sent me messages since I returned home explaining her lack of affection, that she still likes me, etc. I'm content with the stage at which I decided to draw a line under it because I felt we'd spent enough time together and I had to move on to other options. If I regret anything, its that I didn't take action sooner and use the time more wisely, but that is only with the benefit of hindsight.


I've never done an AFA tour and having seen the videos of them have no intention of ever doing one, but I'm sure summer in Odessa is not a bad place to have to bring a solid Plan B into play!

[lyndontom]

I agree Trenchcoat should take the lead and use suggestions by guys here on how to do that with FSU women but I don't think he should ask her why if she rebuffs him. What will he get out of the question? A promise from her that she'll open up more on the 3rd and 4th vacation he takes her on? Trenchcoat should not pressure her to improve physical affection. He should evaluate if she improves in that area on her own. If she doesn't improve, he needs to find a woman that will fulfill his needs.

BillyB sums up the point I was trying to make in my previous post better than I was able to about my situation. When we exchanged texts after I returned home - she asked why I had gone cold on her and left our final date rather quickly - I saw no real need to discuss the situation at length. She got defensive and we were never going to agree on the matter. Sometimes there's no point kidding yourself that the situation can be resolved; by all means give her a reasonable timeframe to warm to you in the affection-showing stakes but there comes a point beyond much doubt when it's better to move on.

[jone]

Trenchcoat,

I had a woman that I had met briefly.  While we were together, I used the various descripitons included here.  I linked her arm and held the door open for her.  I made sure that she knew that I respected her.  But about an hour into our time together, I just took her hand.  For the next two hours we walked hand in hand, talking and learning about each other.  At the end of the day, when it was time to part, I already had her hand and swung into her for a kiss.

I could tell, at that moment, that she was making her decision.  She knew that if she didn't kiss me that she would lose me.  The hestitation was palpable.  But she eventually made her decision and we kissed.  Lightly at first and then with some emotion.  I knew then that she wanted a relationship and would be committing herself to more intimate interaction.

It was the decision to kiss that was the turning point.  Once that bridge is crossed, everything else falls in line, at least it did with this woman.

[ML]

I already had her hand and swung into her for a kiss.

That move is illegal in 37 countries.

[Trenchcoat]

Trenchcoat, I'm not aware of any direct flights to Odessa from London. I've travelled twice from Manchester via Istanbul and once from Kharkov (via Kiev). The Istanbul one leaves Manchester at 23.40 and arrives at 09.30 which I found suited me (despite being a little tired the following day) because it meant flying through the night and cutting out wasted time spending a day flying to Ukraine. A direct flight would be nice!


I agree with Fathertime; I think a second visit is in order to put the matter to bed (no pun intended) one way or another. I was in a similar situation previously and had to force the issue, but I'm glad I did because it allowed me to move on. The girl has sent me messages since I returned home explaining her lack of affection, that she still likes me, etc. I'm content with the stage at which I decided to draw a line under it because I felt we'd spent enough time together and I had to move on to other options. If I regret anything, its that I didn't take action sooner and use the time more wisely, but that is only with the benefit of hindsight.


I've never done an AFA tour and having seen the videos of them have no intention of ever doing one, but I'm sure summer in Odessa is not a bad place to have to bring a solid Plan B into play!

Ah, yes your right, my bad on the flight, there all at least one stop or more, overlooked that one  Still there's one from London that's not too bad for me, just one stop over of a couple of hours so should be able to get connecting flight ok and not too long a wait.

Helpful knowing there are others been in a similar situation  It is a strange one, there is warmth there and I think she is warming to me, she smiles a lot to me, simile eyes, etc but then at the same time she mostly walks at least a foot away most of the time, we sat fairly close sometimes so I don't think she's real anti physical space. If there were not the positive signs I would off course move on I know when there is no mileage in something and there's lots of girls out there. She's a lovely girl though and I think we would go very well together in a committed relationship. Like you say though there is the spending time on a girl that I don't want it to run on if she is not serious about getting into a relationship as that is what I thought we joined that site for. I can take it if we met and there was nothing there, these things happen it would be a bummer but that's just the way it goes. I can take a bit of waiting, but after four days then leaving without gotten a bit more affectionate its a bit of a downer in that regards even if the date was very good in all other respects. I'm happy to give her a second chance so long as she's aware that I'm looking towards a greater measure of affection, so if she goes she goes knowing that as in fairness the first date I did state that I wasn't expecting anything to any take pressure off so maybe I shouldn't off. Yeah but that's mainly it, are meet up was good but end of the day I don't really want a repeat of being in a hotel room wondering about affection and why its not happening with the days going by again.

[lyndontom]

Seems like you have your head screwed on mate and I'm sure you can trust your intuition on whether to pursue it further or move in a different direction.