vasectomy

[Gef]

Hi, just curious but has anyone here ever been in the unfortunate position of explaining his vasectomy to his lady and the procedure for its reversal and its chances of success? 
 I researched it and I have set up a conference call with a very good translator, Elena, to help me explain, more or less what I know about it and give her the chance to think it over before we meet again this Summer. But making a surgical procedure clear to someone that has no awareness of such a thing through a translator is going to be difficult. Whatever she decides that is best for herself, I would like for it to be an informed decision. I have no children.
( http://www.lenhenrikson.com/elena/ )

[BC]

Maybe have someone find such info on the net in Russian.  I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

[TheHorseman]

Hi, just curious but has anyone here ever been in the unfortunate position of explaining his vasectomy to his lady and the procedure for its reversal and its chances of success? 

I had a vasectomy three month after my son was born,,,, about the time I figured out what kind of mother his mom was going to make.  I ended up being Mr. mom.

Yes I have had this conversation with afew different Russian women.  It isn't really hard if you are there in person.  Just explain that you had a surjury to prevent having children, but that you can have children when you decide you want them with a doctors help.

I also looked into what it would take to have the reverseal done.  My doctor told me that it would be easier and cheaper just to have some sperm extracted and implanted.  If your do that, then you don't have to have it undone again, you don't end up with unexpercted children and if you find out after you get married that you really don't get along with this woman, you can't be traped into it from the get go.  Play a while, make sure that your complatable.  You can do the kid thing later.  Or you can back out easily.

It is always possible to just not tell them, then if you decide to have children make it seem like you didn't know, then go to the doctor and have him take care of you as would any man having trouble having children.  She doesn't need to know from the start.  And again you can't be trap into any from the start.  If she gets pregnant right away, you know it isn't yours.  The fact that you don't have any kids at the moment will add to your not knowing about it. 

Think about it a while before jumping in to anything.

[Bruno]

It is always possible to just not tell them, then if you decide to have children make it seem like you didn't know, then go to the doctor and have him take care of you as would any man having trouble having children.  She doesn't need to know from the start. 

Great... Starting a relationship based on a lie... good base for the futur !!!

If you need to hide something to your girlfriend, better stay alone... trust in a couple is based on honesty !

[TheHorseman]

I believe i said it is also Possible not to tell them.... I don't suggest lying, but as we all know (maybe not all of us) There are going to be a few things from both sides that won't get said...

By not telling the woman that you have had the vasectom you are not lying.  Is is still possible to have the surjury to correct it, and it is still bossible to have children.  Is it your choice. 

I agree that telling the woman is the best Idea.  As I said I have had that conversation with Russian women.  I have also had a woman tell me that she wasn't interested in having children only to have her change her mind months later.  Did she change her mind, or was she lying from the start. 

The man asked for thoughts on the subject, I just tried to provide him wiht options.  The next step is his.

[jb]

Gef said:

I have no children.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm very curious why a man with no children decided to get himself sterilized in the first place.  Whenever I read such inane statements I always ask myself the "why's and wherefore's".  In this case, I can't imagine why a normal healthy male would willingly take himself out of the pool of nationally available breeding stock, unless there is a good reason for choosing this most extreme method of birth control.   Usually we see men opting for a vasectomy after fathering several offspring and he's married to Ms. Fertile Myrtle who gets preggers whenever she gets anywhere near the bedpost.  Is there some physiological reason for this?  Does insanity, heart disease, physical deformities, or cancer run in your family genetics?   If there was a valid reason why you decided you didn't want to take a chance to impregnate a local woman, why now would you decide it's a good idea to impregnate a Russian one?  Maybe someone with a more keenly honed sense of logic can answer this one for me.

There's gotta be more to this story than meets the eye.

[Bruno]

I also looked into what it would take to have the reverseal done.  My doctor told me that it would be easier and cheaper just to have some sperm extracted and implanted. 

Not sure that it will work :

http://www.umm.edu/patiented/articles/what_reversal_surgery_vasovasostomy_restore_fertility_000037_9.htm

" Autoantibodies. In many cases in which vasovasostomy fails, the reversal procedure reopens the tubes but fertility is impaired because of autoimmunity. Autoimmunity is a condition in which important immune factors called antibodies attack the body's own cells, mistaking them for antigens (any foreign microinvader that the immune system perceives as a threat). The antibodies in this abnormal process are known as autoantibodies, or “self” antibodies, because they attack healthy tissues. In the case of autoimmunity after vasectomy, the autoantibodies attack the sperm.

After vasectomy, sperm continue to be produced but, instead of being confined to the reproductive passages, they leak out into the body. Once out of their natural habitat, the immune system perceives them as foreign invaders and develops antibodies to attack them.

The autoantibodies bind to specific parts of the sperm (e.g , the head or tail) and cause problems depending on the site of attachment. Sperm may stick together (agglutinate), fail to interact with the woman's cervix, or fail to penetrate the egg. Even after vasovasostomy, such antibodies often persist."

[jb]

My Gawd, what would we do without Bruno and Google?

[Michelangelo]

Also see...

http://www.vasectomyreversal.com/

[Michelangelo]

My Gawd, what would we do without Bruno and Google?

Google? It's great!  But I found my link the old fashioned way....saw the above on a billboard outside of Kansas City!

[Bruno]

My Gawd, what would we do without Bruno and Google?

So, i am not more on your "ignore" list ! 

And again you are back with these "Google"... Google is only a index for help find site... the value of the link come from who make the site, in this case, the Medical center from the university of Maryland... and these article was reviewed by : Harvey Simon, MD, Editor-in-Chief, Well-Connected reports; Associate Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School; Physician, Massachusetts General Hospital.

So spare me your sarcasm... read the article and post about the content of the article...

[Michelangelo]

My Gawd, what would we do without Bruno and Google?

The information provided by Bruno was very useful and helpful, JB.  But I recognize that your comments were friendly tease, cuz you are smart enough to know that...

This board is helped by people who explore and learn and share with others...

Let us all add to knowledge like this.  It's why we are here.

[TheHorseman]

Let us all add to knowledge like this.  It's why we are here.

That is exactly what I was trying to do.  There are always other options too. 

Stopping to think about it though,  jb has a point,,, why did he have a vasectomy in the first place.  I had mine because I didn't want to have anymore kids with the woman was with.... that proved to be one of the smartest moves I ever made.

[Admin]

Stopping to think about it though,  jb has a point,,, why did he have a vasectomy in the first place.  I had mine because I didn't want to have anymore kids with the woman was with.... that proved to be one of the smartest moves I ever made.

Will,

You will probably find that jb, more often than not, DOES have an important point in his posts - that, and his patented manner for delivering those points are what has endeared him to many on the board.

- Dan

[Sohkay]

jb wrote, "My Gawd, what would we do without Bruno and Google?"

The same thing we would do without jb! Keep right on going!

Oh, and jb, I forgot to tell you...there's a new Michael Moore film coming out next year! It's about the state of health care in the U.S. and it's called..."Sicko". I kid you not.

Now have some fun with that film title. LOL!

[Admin]

Oh, and jb, I forgot to tell you...there's a new Michael Moore film coming out next year! It's about the state of health care in the U.S. and it's called..."Sicko". I kid you not.

Now have some fun with that film title. LOL!

OK - as in the Homeland Security alert system, we will now have the individualized sick level threshold:

Level One (Yellow) - Mere fever

Level Two (Orange) - Getting Worse

Level Three (Red) - It's Catching

Level Four (Black) - Even Michael Moore couldn't help

- Dan

[Sohkay]

Dan,
The level three emoticons...is that sneezing, or are those other bodily fluids?
OK, I see now, they're sneezing.
Whew!

[JPjr]

Watch the cheeks blow up, they are hurling. Emoticons rule

[docetae]

This is something as european living in North America, I will never understand. why vasectomy is so common .... This is a surgery, not a pill ! My ex asked me several times to get this done and that was always a NO from me and will be always the same.

Nobody know what he will do or he will wants in ten years from now. So definitely, I consider vasectomy a barbaric demonstration of feminism.

[Louie]

I thought what JB said was hilarious! I didn't feel it was sarcastic at all, Bruno I hope you weren't offended

[Bruno]

I thought what JB said was hilarious! I didn't feel it was sarcastic at all, Bruno I hope you weren't offended

It was not the first time... these "argument" is used against me and my post without end by JB when he have no real argument himself.

[jb]

Well, I'm sure Dan understood my subtle point, I guess few others did.

In my own funny little way I was very gently pointing out just how utterly clownish, and trollishly, I thought the thread starter decided to start doing business on the RWD.  I'll grant you that Gef has posted 41 times before, but this one was the first of his posts to reach out and grab my full attention.  Everyone knows I'm a bit of a cynic anyway, and the opening post in this thread raised my BS decto-meter to full red alert.

Here we see a man who says he has no children, yet he has had the most severe and extreme form of surgical birth control, (just a few inches short of castration), performed upon his person, and if he did this willingly, I just have to ask why.  Somebody, please, enlighten me because several of our members seem not to find this to be odd behavior.

[jb]

Oh, and jb, I forgot to tell you...there's a new Michael Moore film coming out next year! It's about the state of health care in the U.S. and it's called..."Sicko". I kid you not.

I'll be sure to give that one a miss, just like his other trash films.

[ConnerVT]

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[Turboguy]

Personally with no real statistics to go on I think you might be surprised how often men with no kids do that but I would assume it is someone who has no interest in fatherhood and doesn't really like kids which would make me question why all of a sudden he wants a reversal.  From what I have heard since I have never done that they tell you to consider it perminant and to be sure it is what you really want.  I have to think that for everyone who does it and should not have there are 10 who did not and should have.