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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #125 on: May 15, 2018, 02:43:33 AM »
Because Russian sees itself as a belligerent, against Western interests, I believe that Ukraine will receive special attention from the West in that it is occupying the furthermost eastern border areas confronting Russia.
One man finally said the truth. Ukraine is viewed in West as a hammer against Russia, and Ukrainian political elite is trying to exploit this status. Though many young Ukrainians prefer to escape the life in the hammer according to polls. If depopulation of Ukraine will continue with the current rate, who will fight to return Crimea back to Ukraine (after Russia evaporated somehow)?

Funny thing:  I had breakfast with a gal from Moskva this weekend.  She pulled out the new 2000 note Ruble pictures.  She showed me the back of the bill which is an engraving of a bridge.  She immediately told me that it was the bridge being built between Krim and the Russian mainland.  Then she went on to say how important Krim is to the Russian psyche.  I had to laugh to myself.  Because when I looked at the engraving, it is not the Kerch Strait Bridge, but instead is the Russky Bridge in Vladivostok.  I would have thought that a good Muscovite would have known the difference.


Good story, thanks. Even Moscow blondes want to keep Crimea in Russia, that is a strong indicator of the mood :) Tomorrow first cars will pass over the bridge, and the rail will link Crimea with Russia in the next year.

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #126 on: May 15, 2018, 03:35:23 AM »
How did you know she was blonde?
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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #127 on: May 15, 2018, 03:38:22 AM »
How did you know she was blonde?

Duh !! :popcorn:
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #128 on: May 15, 2018, 06:17:27 AM »
Putin is driving KAMAZ truck on the Crimean bridge!


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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #129 on: May 15, 2018, 06:55:41 AM »
did he take his shirt off
is he making Russia GREATTTTTT!!!

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #130 on: May 15, 2018, 07:36:19 AM »
Really nice of the Russians to link Russia and Ukraine AND to pay for it all ;)
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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #131 on: May 15, 2018, 10:09:35 AM »
then explain the complete reorganization of Russian military post-crimea
which has been reorganized from top to bottom as a blitzkrieg attack force striking out from
the southern military district in Rostov
instead of a counter-NATO force...

guess what"
thanks to "where's my iphone" app, I know the position of several Russian brigades in the southern military district
the gift that keeps on giving...

When I was stationed in Ft. Bragg, there was a paratrooper unit always ready to be dropped anywhere in the world in 24 hours. It was never used when I was in the military. Russia may have a unit ready for blitzkrieg on Ukraine but it may never be used. These military unit are an option a president can use. Russia's high speed military units job now is to intimidate and discourage Ukraine from retaking control of East Ukraine just by being stationed near the border.
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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #132 on: May 15, 2018, 11:25:01 AM »
really?
ever suddenly see the US military reorganize itself to invade Mexico?
this is what Russia had been doing since 2015
totally new org chart


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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #133 on: May 15, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »
How did you know she was blonde?
Breakfast on weekend is especially delicious with a blonde. Though I don't insist on  :)

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #134 on: May 15, 2018, 05:06:11 PM »

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #135 on: May 15, 2018, 06:23:03 PM »
google Putin's watch collection
it's worth more than the net worth of 1,000 average Russian families
how does he acquire 10 million USD of swiss watches on such a small salary

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #136 on: May 15, 2018, 06:49:48 PM »
I think he invested in Whitewater (on a tip).
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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #137 on: May 15, 2018, 07:07:43 PM »
that would pay for 2-3 rolexes only he has hundreds

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #138 on: May 15, 2018, 07:28:47 PM »
really?
ever suddenly see the US military reorganize itself to invade Mexico?
this is what Russia had been doing since 2015
totally new org chart

Putin has been reorganizing his military to be stronger even before Ukraine. He's fond of the USSR glory days and would like to bring back those memories.
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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2018, 07:31:21 PM »
youre right thanks for telling me


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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #140 on: May 15, 2018, 07:58:23 PM »
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said the new bridge “will definitely be handy for the occupants when they have to urgently leave our Crimea.”
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2018, 08:51:22 PM »
boy that's telling them!
did Poroshenko happen to mention a date by any chance
glad it's all been settled

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #142 on: May 16, 2018, 06:04:26 AM »
Russia will not ask for anyone's permission to build infrastructure on its territory. This was the response to the US, which condemned the opening of the Kerch Strait bridge between Russia and Crimea.
The US State Department accused Russia of flouting international law by building a bridge to "occupied" Crimea without the permission of the government of Ukraine.
“As one could predict, Washington is not happy with that. But Crimea is Russia,” the Embassy of Russia in the USA said in the statement on Tuesday. “We shall not ask for anybody’s permission to build transport infrastructure for the sake of the population of Russian regions.”

http://www.rt.com/business/426875-russia-needs-no-us-permission/

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #143 on: May 16, 2018, 07:21:00 AM »
and Russia will ask no one's permission when it invades its neighbors
because Russia is "stalnoy"

is that all you Russians care about?
looking strong
did you ever take a good look around in your Russia?
did you like everything you saw?
but hey, Russia is strong......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2018, 01:52:09 PM »
google Putin's watch collection
it's worth more than the net worth of 1,000 average Russian families
how does he acquire 10 million USD of swiss watches on such a small salary


Well, everyone needs a hobby.  Besides invading other countries and killing your political opponents/dissidents.



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Re: Prospects for Crimea return
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2018, 06:37:03 AM »
Doll is one of those people that cannot understand the difference between  de facto and de jure....
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Ukranian Military Dolphins Die on Hunger Strike
« Reply #146 on: May 21, 2018, 10:46:07 PM »
Not sure how true this one is as another source mentioned they escaped at one point. So might be a tall tale or poor living conditions...


"The trained animals refused to not only interact with the new Russian coaches, but refused food and after what time perished "



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Putin admits Russia staged the ‘referendum’ to annex Crimea
« Reply #147 on: July 17, 2018, 12:49:04 AM »
In the current climate of confused uncertainty  -- a few interesting points came out of Trump-Putin meeting .
For some that still believe to nonsense spewed by the Kremlin -eventually the reality is admitted.


With Trump on his side, Putin admits Russia staged the ‘referendum’ to annex Crimea



It is devastating that the only positive thing to be said about the Helsinki Summit on 16 July is that US President Donald Trump did not, as feared, ‘recognize Crimea as Russian’.  At least, not publicly.  Trump was unable or unwilling to mention even one of the grave crimes which the regime of  Russian President Vladimir Putin has committed over recent years.  In fact, according to Trump, the low in US-Russian relations was not because of its interference in the US presidential elections, confirmed by all US intelligence services, Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea and military aggression against Ukraine, the downing by a Russian Buk missile of Malaysian airliner MH17, the use of radioactive polonium and nerve gas against perceived enemies on British territory, war crimes in Syria and much more.  No, it was because, the man tweeted, of “many years of US foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!,"

It is for US citizens to consider whether their President should reject US intelligence in favour of a former KGB agent’s assurances.   They might also wonder how, on the eve of the fourth anniversary of the downing of MH17,  Trump should have been waxing effusive about a new dawn in US-Russian relations and totally silent about the murder of 298 passengers.  Since Trump has cast doubt on Russia’s proven involvement in that crime earlier, the silence was not unexpected.  That doesn’t make it any the less disturbing.

Trump’s failure to mention Russia’s aggression against Ukraine as a cause of the worsening in Russia’s relations with the entire democratic world was also deeply worrying.  Putin’s lip service to the fact that Trump had not overturned the USA’s correct condemnation of Russia’s annexation was scarcely enough when he went on, unchallenged, to try to justify its actions.

Putin claimed that “we consider that we held a referendum in strict compliance with international law, with the UN statute.  For us, for the Russian Federation, this question is closed. That’s all”.

Putin was clearly feeling particularly emboldened by the gift that Trump bestowed upon him through this ‘summit’, and did not even bother to hide behind his customary subterfuge.  Even after admitting that the soldiers without insignia who had seized control of Ukrainian territory were Russia, Putin has always tried to claim that the so-called ‘referendum’ was the initiative of ‘the Crimean people’.  No longer, it would seem, thanks to US President Trump  - it was us all along.


Whatever “UN statute" Putin had in mind, there is nothing at all in ‘international law’ to allow one country to “hold a referendum” on the sovereign territory of another country. Trump may not know that, or not care, but it is of relevance, since Russia is still pushing a narrative about a supposed ‘referendum’ that is as false as the cosmetic ‘elections’ which Joseph Stalin used to take over Eastern Europe after the Second World War.


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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Putin admits Russia staged the ‘referendum’ to annex Crimea
« Reply #148 on: July 17, 2018, 09:06:43 AM »
US President Donald Trump did not, as feared, ‘recognize Crimea as Russian’.  At least, not publicly.  Trump was unable or unwilling to mention even one of the grave crimes which the regime of  Russian President Vladimir Putin has committed over recent years.

Putin was clearly feeling particularly emboldened by the gift that Trump bestowed upon him through this ‘summit’, and did not even bother to hide behind his customary subterfuge. 


More liberal anti Trump articles that will rot the brain. I posted the transcript of the actual words said and questions asked in the Trump thread. No journalist translation of English to English in that transcript. Trump was never asked by a journalist about Crimea but Putin was. Putin said Trump's view of that never changed and that Trump believes it was illegal for Russia to take Crimea.

In the current climate of confused uncertainty  -- a few interesting points came out of Trump-Putin meeting .
For some that still believe to nonsense spewed by the Kremlin -eventually the reality is admitted.


It is for US citizens to consider whether their President should reject US intelligence in favour of a former KGB agent’s assurances.   


There's nothing to consider. Trump already said Obama did nothing to stop election meddling and the hacking of emails. Translation: That means Trump admits those events happened. As far as trusting our intelligence agents, Trump is going after EVERY Russian that Mueller has indicted. Hopefully Mueller will indict Putin and we'll see how brave Trump gets.

interference in the US presidential elections,

Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea and military aggression against Ukraine,

downing by a Russian Buk missile of Malaysian airliner MH17,

the use of radioactive polonium and nerve gas against perceived enemies on British territory,

war crimes in Syria and much more.

All these things happened on Obama's watch. Why didn't Obama and the world do something significant back then? What do you want from Trump? To start a war? That was Obama's and the Western World's responsibility back then. When the crime is happening, you stop it if you feel evil should be confronted. Years ago I recommended dropping troops in Crimea but I was radical compared to everybody else's suggestion. They got their way with sanctions and it didn't work. It's over. There wasn't a leader with enough balls to stop the Crimea takeover. Russia got away with things so we move forward. Personally, I think Trump will be duped like Obama was when dealing with Putin since he knows American presidents are on term limits and can't hold a grudge for very long after they've been deceived. We can only hope Trump isn't going to be duped as much as Obama.
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