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Author Topic: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)  (Read 43563 times)

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1825 on: October 16, 2020, 08:12:51 PM »
In case you missed all the recent ads on the TV, as soon as Joe Biden gets elected, this epidemic will disappear. Bidens leadership will defeat this virus ASAP, and with as little to no social services deployment.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2020, 08:37:16 PM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1826 on: October 16, 2020, 09:00:16 PM »



The only current drug the FDA approves for emergency treatment right now is Remdesivir which was administered to Trump. A 30 country study involving 11,000 people has concluded and Remdesivir has shown no benefit to saving lives. There has never been a treatment created for any coronavirus in history and there still isn't. I doubt the vaccines will be successful but due to public pressure, they will be released and work will continue to find something better.


http://www.foxnews.com/health/four-coronavirus-treatments-remdesivir-hydroxychloroquine-flop-who-study
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1827 on: October 16, 2020, 11:53:54 PM »
WOW! Forget excess deaths, I can see how effective such disciplined lockdowns really worked in Europe!

Amazing.

I wonder if you could explain the above, please ? Who is 'forgetting' excess deaths ?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1828 on: October 17, 2020, 04:50:23 AM »
I wonder if you could explain the above, please ? Who is 'forgetting' excess deaths ?

Excess deaths?  Please focus on direct data.  I say that because some "excess deaths" could have resulted from the effects of lockdown  (e. g., stress, doctor visits curtailed resulting in adverse effects such as cancers not being detected, etc.). 

Please examine more directly connected data.   I don't follow Euro data, so I depend upon Europeans and news media.   The news media tells me that concurrent with the virus resurgence in Europe, the CFR has not declined. 
That contrasts with the US where the case fatality rate is declining.  True?

Such is what I hope a RWD member from EU would explain rather than focus on the US problem simply for fodder to criticize Trump.  It seems to me Europeans have more to be concerned about than Trump.   

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1829 on: October 17, 2020, 05:39:16 AM »
Gator,

In Italy, cases are way up, around 10k per day, which is 40% above back in March.  Deaths have risen as well from a low of 10 or less per day to '50s.  Positivity is around 7% with 150 thousand tests per day, three times the amount of daily tests than in March when the positivity rate was over 20%. Currently, 6000 in hospitals and 600 in intensive care.

As discussed before, CFR is still quite a 'fuzzy' figure that declines with more tests taken.  I haven't seen anyone able to use it outside monitoring very local performance, i.e., hospital or city, maybe province/state.

In any case, our 'second wave' is definitely 'here' with masks mandated, gatherings restricted, and closure of restaurants and bars between 10 and 11 pm.  Schools and businesses remain open.  Unless deaths really go up, I expect no country-wide lockdowns as in March.  Extra hospital and intensive care capacity left unused after the first wave is being reactivated.

The big difference will be that this time 'round is that a second wave was expected, testing is way up, helping to isolate folks quickly, PPE is available in quantity, systems are in place to help prevent infections among the most vulnerable, doctors and nurses have more experience dealing with an influx of patients and managing their care along with a long break to recover emotionally and physically from the first wave.

Overall, cautiously optimistic.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1830 on: October 17, 2020, 05:50:58 AM »
I can only wonder if this European surge is because of irresponsible, lack of their respective leadership. Maybe even its citizens are simply selfish bastards?!? I dont know because their lockdown programs was apparently so successful , although I wouldnt really know because I dont live there to coherently discuss the matter with anyone who does.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2020, 05:52:50 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1831 on: October 17, 2020, 10:28:54 AM »
GQ,

Hard to pinpoint, but coincides exactly with vacation (August) and the beginning of school (15 September).  More use of mass transit and plenty of young folks partying etc. along with complacency. 

Hopefully, the new measures will start having effects in the coming weeks.  Folks do seem to be getting with the program, masks in all open places, and even in cars if anyone other than immediate family is inside.

We'll see..


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1832 on: October 20, 2020, 06:35:22 AM »
Daily COVID infections are increasing in Europe and the same is expected for the US in the near future.  This sounds bad, yet two charts prepared by the NYTimes show becoming infected the is not as harmful based on hospitalizations and deaths. 

First, number of patients currently hospitalized. 





Second, deaths.





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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1833 on: October 20, 2020, 06:37:30 AM »
NYTimes presented a third chart  showing part of the uptick in number of cases is due to the nation doing more tests and is smarter about where to find infections.




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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1834 on: October 21, 2020, 12:42:35 PM »
The liberal press continue to accuse Sweden of atrocities and consider it a disaster zone, yet its one of the few European countries currently on the UK Government approved travel corridor. i.e. its safe to visit and return without quarantining. Facts are funny things.

http://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-corridors

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1835 on: October 21, 2020, 07:24:50 PM »


A 28 yo volunteer involved in AstraZeneca and Oxford Universitys coronavirus vaccine trial has died. It's possible it may not be a vaccine related death.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/volunteer-astrazeneca-coronavirus-clinical-trial-dies
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1836 on: October 22, 2020, 05:53:55 AM »
Here's a clue BillyB.. Was the taking the placebo?... VERY possibly ;)

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #1837 on: October 22, 2020, 01:44:09 PM »
 


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