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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1600 on: July 18, 2019, 03:05:57 AM »
John Major has no power to do anything, neither does that other silly woman who is also again threatening high court action should Boris end the Parliamentary session. Boris is taking an entirely legal and constitutional route which he is entitled to do should he/when he becomes PM. So John Major, etc will fail he stands zero chance of stopping Boris, it's either all talk or he is once again going to prove how incompetent he is just when he was last in office and got a huge boot out in 97 from the electorate. They were sick to death of him and voted Labour in with a landslide victory. Major is a fool and it's hilarious that he wishes to take action against a new PM when he failed so utterly miserably as PM, he is really in no place to criticize Boris.



Dear Trench, you live in a parqllel universe

1/ John Major won an election against all oods - so I'd not be too quick to write him off

2/ The 'silly woman' Gina Miller - raised an important legal issue, before - and has done so, again

3/ To cap it all the 'nasty' civil service have produced a report pointing out the financial folly of a 'no deal' Brexit..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889

No-deal Brexit will cause UK recession, says fiscal watchdog


'Thanks' but *I* seek a govt that looks after my tax - not one that will jump off a cliff - even  when it is clar it's 'plan' is not what the majority want

My 200 bet not tempting enough for you ?
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1601 on: July 18, 2019, 06:58:04 AM »
Dear Trench, you live in a parqllel universe

1/ John Major won an election against all oods - so I'd not be too quick to write him off

2/ The 'silly woman' Gina Miller - raised an important legal issue, before - and has doneso, again

3/ To cap it all the 'nasty' civil service have produced a report pointing out the financial folly of a 'no deal' Brexit..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889

No-deal Brexit will cause UK recession, says fiscal watchdog


'Thanks' but *I* seek a govt that looks after my tax - not one that will jump off a cliff - even  when it is clar it's 'plan' is not what the majority want

My 200 bet not tempting enough for you ?

200 bet is it now Mobers? You'll have to seek help for that gambling addiction of yours, lol.

Well it seems that its mostly foreigners that are wanting us to be forced into staying in the EU despite a democratic mandate to leave. Myself, well I was born in the UK and only carry one passport, a UK passport ;) I'm not backed by wealthy financiers and used as a puppet like Gina Miller to single handedly decide the fate of the country against the democratic wishes of the majority that voted in the Referendum.

I see more fear stories are circulating like they did during the referendum that will no doubt turn out to be unfounded as the referendum fear stories were if we voted to leave. Yet more remaining Remoaners in the establishment to clear out me thinks.

Well John Major won the 92 election as Neil Kinnock blundered with his 'roar red' idiocy at the last moment and scared of those considering voting Labour or just not voting Tory. In addition Kinnock had the same underlying problem of all his votes being concentrated in too few constituencies. Had there been a truely PR system Kinnock would have won the General Election even if it would mean forming a government with the Lib Dems. By 97 Blair was able to appeal to voters in other constituencies and the effect of years of recession that Major had done nothing to sort out helped give Labour a landslide victory. In 92 Major was kind of unknown so the electorate thought to give him a chance as a more softer alternative to Thatcher. The guy during his premiership priced his incompetence in epic proportions, 'never again' please Johny.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1602 on: July 18, 2019, 10:32:13 AM »
I'm getting no takers, Trench - so I upped the 'bait' ...

Well done on dodging the forecast from a govt body ;)

'Foreigners' ? The poll of polls prove otherwise - unless immigrants make up 55% of the population ...



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1603 on: July 18, 2019, 12:57:40 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49030225


MPs have backed a bid to stop a new prime minister suspending Parliament to force through a no-deal Brexit.


You were saying, Trench ?

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1604 on: July 19, 2019, 01:25:45 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49030225


MPs have backed a bid to stop a new prime minister suspending Parliament to force through a no-deal Brexit.


You were saying, Trench ?

Utterly ridiculous! For Remoaners to keep blocking the path to what was decided in a democratic referendum vote is totally unacceptable. I believe that Boris will percevere though. If Boris does not succeed then Farage will!
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1605 on: July 19, 2019, 01:34:07 AM »
Utterly ridiculous! For Remoaners to keep blocking the path to what was decided in a democratic referendum vote is totally unacceptable. I believe that Boris will percevere though. If Boris does not succeed then Farage will!

Aha ! I knew that would get your attention ..

Blocking Parliament ..like that is 'demoocratic'


Face it, the vote was over 3 years ago and the electorate - a majority not including you - realise it was a silly idea, now

It becomes clearer that you know I've been right and why you wouldn't bet



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1606 on: July 19, 2019, 08:23:12 AM »
Aha ! I knew that would get your attention ..

Blocking Parliament ..like that is 'demoocratic'


Face it, the vote was over 3 years ago and the electorate - a majority not including you - realise it was a silly idea, now

It becomes clearer that you know I've been right and why you wouldn't bet

Mobe, we were forced to wait two years as that is how long the article 50 process stipulated. Beyond that the EU threw in a clanger in the shape of the backstop agreement that they must have known would sink May's chances of getting a deal done. The mandate has been given by the electorate and must not be ignored, us leavers are here to stay.

With Parliament now blocking Johnson from doing what he must do and calls of no confidence votes from Remoaners in the party it looks like a General Election is now back on the cards as a measure to sort this all out.

In fact that would be a way for Boris to suspend Parliament that it would not be possible to stop :D If he waits/negotiates it out till towards the end of September he'll be able to suspend Parliament over the 31st October by calling a General Election date thereafter.

If it gets called before he'll have to get into an arrangement with the Brexit party. Farage will have most scope here to pull candidates or the whole party. The best bet I think would still be the above where Boris calls an election to suspend Parliament over the 31st. It could allow coming to a head and we'll just have to see what happens as it happens, but I think you'll find Mobers that Leave aren't done yet. Stopping a General Election, I would love to see Gina Millar and the rest of the Remoaners stop that one, lol.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1607 on: July 19, 2019, 09:27:20 AM »
The good news just keeps on coming - though not for the likes of Trench
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49044966

"Chancellor Philip Hammond has indicated he may vote to bring down the next PM to stop a no-deal Brexit."

This is the TORY Economic minister - he has constantly told us of the damage 'Brexit' is doing and ANOTHER Tory waking uip to the lemming-like, damaging dogma of 'no deal' ..

Trench, with every day your stance becomes increasdingly more apparent as the daft one ..

Time to revise your numbers ... There are LOTS of Tory MPs - 27 (?)  who will not support financuial suicide


 
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1608 on: July 19, 2019, 01:47:54 PM »
The good news just keeps on coming - though not for the likes of Trench
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49044966

"Chancellor Philip Hammond has indicated he may vote to bring down the next PM to stop a no-deal Brexit."

This is the TORY Economic minister - he has constantly told us of the damge 'Brexit' is doing and ANOTHER Tory waking uip to the lemming-like, damaging dogma of 'no deal' ..

Trench, with every day your stance becomes increasdingly more apparent as the daft one ..

Time to revise your numbers ... There are LOTS of Tory MPs - 27 (?)  who will not support financuial suicide

The Chancellor is for Remain, but he will not be Chancellor much longer when Boris gets in. They likely won't call a vote of no confidence unless it looks like Boris is closing in on No Deal and only then if they think there is a good chance they will keep their seats. You just don't like it Mobe that I have made it aware that not all avenues to No Deal/Suspending Parliament are cut off. With the summer recess and all the breaks Boris should've able to hold off till nea r enough October then announce a General Election for a date after a Credit on the 31st October :D Boy I would love to see your face of that happened, you could post it up here!  Would be like most Remoaners I would guess, a look of sheer disbelief, priceless :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1609 on: July 19, 2019, 01:56:58 PM »
The Chancellor is for Remain, but he will not be Chancellor much longer when Boris gets in. They likely won't call a vote of no confidence unless it looks like Boris is closing in on No Deal and only then if they think there is a good chance they will keep their seats. You just don't like it Mobe that I have made it aware that not all avenues to No Deal/Suspending Parliament are cut off. With the summer recess and all the breaks Boris should've able to hold off till nea r enough October then announce a General Election for a date after a Credit on the 31st October :D Boy I would love to see your face of that happened, you could post it up here!  Would be like most Remoaners I would guess, a look of sheer disbelief, priceless :)

Trench, like all aspects of your life, you post a lot but never deliver on anything

You talk the talk, but are too scared to bet on your convictions..

1/ Hammond will resighn rather than 'allow' Boris the chance to sack him ..

2/ MPs now realise having a 'leave' PoV is more likely to lose them a seat in most cases ... but you don't believe the polls ;)


3/ What 'you've been told ...  :ROFL:  Fact is that there are more REMAIN than Leave supporters in the two Houses and Boris will have even less MPs to rely on with very by-election that comes along ..

4/ IF the EU believe that there's a chance of the UK forgetting the whole thing - then we'll even get Macron's support ...

It's time you woke the govt. ( as is ) is supported by 160k members and a LOT of their own MPs might even choose to bring down the govt - rather than allow a 'no deal' stunt from Boris ..

Do the numbers, Trench.. 

 

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1610 on: July 20, 2019, 07:11:43 AM »
Trench, like all aspects of your life, you post a lot but never deliver on anything

You talk the talk, but are too scared to bet on your convictions..

1/ Hammond will resighn rather than 'allow' Boris the chance to sack him ..

2/ MPs now realise having a 'leave' PoV is more likely to lose them a seat in most cases ... but you don't believe the polls ;)


3/ What 'you've been told ...  :ROFL:  Fact is that there are more REMAIN than Leave supporters in the two Houses and Boris will have even less MPs to rely on with very by-election that comes along ..

4/ IF the EU believe that there's a chance of the UK forgetting the whole thing - then we'll even get Macron's support ...

It's time you woke the govt. ( as is ) is supported by 160k members and a LOT of their own MPs might even choose to bring down the govt - rather than allow a 'no deal' stunt from Boris ..

Do the numbers, Trench..

Only need to wait a few more days Move and we'll find out if Boris is our new PM :D

I'm hoping he will be and things can really start moving on all this stuff. I'm confident he'll sort you Remoaners out and things will start moving the right way towards Brexit :)

Just looking at the EU building in Brussels the other day and thinking what an ugly, cold and bureaucratic building it looks. Will be good to soon not be a part of that.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1611 on: July 20, 2019, 07:36:53 AM »
What? ..No 'witty' riposte ?

Boris is going to find pushing a 'no deal' agenda in houses where it is abundantly clear he can't win and he is too scared to call a GE..

Yours and his wet dream is a gonner ..

Sooner he fails, the better .. 


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« Reply #1612 on: July 20, 2019, 05:16:10 PM »
What? ..No 'witty' riposte ?

Boris is going to find pushing a 'no deal' agenda in houses where it is abundantly clear he can't win and he is too scared to call a GE..

Yours and his wet dream is a gonner ..

Sooner he fails, the better ..

You've got to have a wet dream to have a wet dream come true Mobe ;D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1613 on: July 21, 2019, 12:42:04 AM »
You've got to have a wet dream to have a wet dream come true Mobe ;D

Naturally, I was talking in metaphor  :wallbash:

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« Reply #1614 on: July 21, 2019, 09:45:43 AM »
Naturally, I was talking in metaphor  :wallbash:

Naturally, so was I :D
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« Reply #1615 on: July 21, 2019, 10:02:58 AM »
Naturally, so was I :D

Ah, so I've got it 'wrong' Boris isn't going to tell the EU that they must re-open negoiations - or there#'l be a 'no deal' 'Brexit' and he'll try to suspend Parliament ?

THAT - I hope it is clear, now - are his 'wet dreams' ...

They are not going to happen and THAT is why you're ducking my bet ..



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« Reply #1616 on: July 21, 2019, 12:55:41 PM »
Ah, so I've got it 'wrong' Boris isn't going to tell the EU that they must re-open negoiations - or there#'l be a 'no deal' 'Brexit' and he'll try to suspend Parliament ?

THAT - I hope it is clear, now - are his 'wet dreams' ...

They are not going to happen and THAT is why you're ducking my bet ..

Boris has already been blocked from suspending Parliament with the amendment that has just gone through. That leaves him with the option of going up to late September then calling a General Election which will suspend Parliament over the 31st October. Brexit then happens by default :D

Odds are if Parliament will be suspended that way then the Brexit Party will not run in the General Election as its mission will have been achieved. How's that for a wet dream Mobers?
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« Reply #1617 on: July 21, 2019, 04:13:24 PM »
Boris has already been blocked from suspending Parliament with the amendment that has just gone through. That leaves him with the option of going up to late September then calling a General Election which will suspend Parliament over the 31st October. Brexit then happens by default :D

Odds are if Parliament will be suspended that way then the Brexit Party will not run in the General Election as its mission will have been achieved. How's that for a wet dream Mobers?

Muppet ..

FAR more likely is a defeat for Boris in the form of a vote of no confidence - THEN a Gen.election ..

I'm pretty sure the EU would wait for the outcome ..

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« Reply #1618 on: July 22, 2019, 04:12:15 AM »
Geeting ready for our very own 'Trampu' ..'Boris'

Resignations from Govt ministers all over the place this am ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49069880


Just one of the quotes:
"Sir Alan has long been a vocal critical of the ex-foreign secretary, once describing himself as Mr Johnson's "pooper scooper" at the Foreign Office, clearing up mess he had created.

Most recently, Sir Alan attacked his former boss over the resignation of Sir Kim Darroch, the British ambassador to the US, who stepped down after comments criticising President Trump's administration were leaked.

Sir Alan said Mr Johnson - by failing to give his support to the ambassador - had "basically thrown our top diplomat under the bus".

He has also previously said Mr Johnson was "the last person on Earth who would make any progress in negotiating with the EU at the moment." "

Remember, these are the ruling Conservative Party resignations ..


Pols from yesterday show Labour - fractionally ahead of the Tories and the Libd dems and Brextremists parties neck and neck -- with a substantial Green Party support..

Hard to predict how this would translate into seats.. but once again .. REMAIN out-weighs 'Leave'

Hopefully, we'll have a vote of no confidence and Boris we be one of the shortest serving PMs ..

You'd have lost your 200, Trenchie..





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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1619 on: July 22, 2019, 01:40:26 PM »
Geeting ready for our very own 'Trampu' ..'Boris'

Resignations from Govt ministers all over the place this am ..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49069880


Just one of the quotes:
"Sir Alan has long been a vocal critical of the ex-foreign secretary, once describing himself as Mr Johnson's "pooper scooper" at the Foreign Office, clearing up mess he had created.

Most recently, Sir Alan attacked his former boss over the resignation of Sir Kim Darroch, the British ambassador to the US, who stepped down after comments criticising President Trump's administration were leaked.

Sir Alan said Mr Johnson - by failing to give his support to the ambassador - had "basically thrown our top diplomat under the bus".

He has also previously said Mr Johnson was "the last person on Earth who would make any progress in negotiating with the EU at the moment." "

Remember, these are the ruling Conservative Party resignations ..


Pols from yesterday show Labour - fractionally ahead of the Tories and the Libd dems and Brextremists parties neck and neck -- with a substantial Green Party support..

Hard to predict how this would translate into seats.. but once again .. REMAIN out-weighs 'Leave'

Hopefully, we'll have a vote of no confidence and Boris we be one of the shortest serving PMs ..

You'd have lost your 200, Trenchie..

Mobe, the British Ambassador dug his own grave by being anything other than 'diplomatic'. He should have known in this day & age that emails can be exposed and not to write anything undiplomatic. The fact that he is undisciplined enough to not be on the ball on that shows he just held his position due to priveledge and not skill. Best he went it certainly is not down to Boris to save the inept.

The cabinet resignations of remaining Remoaners does Boris a favour. They are purging the party of themselves and leaving it an easy task for Boris to not have to be seen to consider them in the new cabinet. I would like Boris to have complete Leave cabinet. Send a clear message to the Remoaners in the party to bugger off. Better to see the back off them so they stop putting their oar in an unhelpful manner to Brexit. Time to have a reckoning I think and I think Boris will do better than some people think :)
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« Reply #1620 on: July 22, 2019, 07:45:18 PM »
Most recently, Sir Alan attacked his former boss over the resignation of Sir Kim Darroch, the British ambassador to the US, who stepped down after comments criticising President Trump's administration were leaked.

Sir Alan said Mr Johnson - by failing to give his support to the ambassador - had "basically thrown our top diplomat under the bus".


Your ex ambassador was relieved because Trump said he won't work with him. Throw the ambassador or your nation under the buss. Your nation is more important than that ambassador. Keep in mind, after 2 + years of Comey/Mueller investigations, the conclusion is NO Americans colluded with Russia yet your ambassador told your politicians he still suspects Trump is dealing with the Russians. His job is to give accurate info back to your government and he is talking conspiracy theory crap.
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« Reply #1621 on: July 22, 2019, 10:02:22 PM »
Mobe, the British Ambassador dug his own grave by being anything other than 'diplomatic'.


What he wrote in 2017 was completely accurate ...  That it was leaked suggests that 'someone' had an aim to cause trouble..

He should have known in this day & age that emails can be exposed and not to write anything undiplomatic.


it was his appraisal of the situation ... not inaccurate ..

The fact that he is undisciplined enough to not be on the ball on that shows he just held his position due to priveledge and not skill. Best he went it certainly is not down to Boris to save the inept.

Given Boris' ineptness when he was foreign Sec - that shows how much attention you pay to news ..

The cabinet resignations of remaining Remoaners does Boris a favour. They are purging the party of themselves and leaving it an easy task for Boris to not have to be seen to consider them in the new cabinet. I would like Boris to have complete Leave cabinet. Send a clear message to the Remoaners in the party to bugger off. Better to see the back off them so they stop putting their oar in an unhelpful manner to Brexit. Time to have a reckoning I think and I think Boris will do better than some people think :)

A reckoning ? So you DO want to accept my 200 bet ..?

There will NOT be a 'no deal brexit'

Boris will preside over a 'working' majority of two - until Brecon alects a Lib Dem - than it will be ONE ..

Ooops ... a tory MP has been charged with criminal offences - sexual assault ..http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-49072464


Finally, these resignations mean that IF Boris tries to push through  'no deal' scenario .... they will not vote with the govt .... 

A vote of no confidence will ensue and even the DUP cannot save him...

Even under corbyn, Labour are still polling higher and with the Lib Dems and Greens - let alone the SNP and PC .. he will not be able to form a govt ...

As, predicted - your wet dream ain't happening ... 
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1622 on: July 22, 2019, 10:10:04 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but with Boris now as PM, is the only way to stop a NO Deal Brexit through a vote of No-confidence?
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« Reply #1623 on: July 22, 2019, 10:48:04 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but with Boris now as PM, is the only way to stop a NO Deal Brexit through a vote of No-confidence?

He hasn't been officially announced as winner, yet !

But I'm 'correcting' you ..

Here's an article from a pro leave author ..



http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/how-much-bother-will-the-gaukeward-squad-cause-boris-johnson/


Remainers /  anti 'no deal'  are different animals .. Boris WILL have to compromise with the latter and IF we leave at all - it will be WITH a deal

Boris has no majority in the house for a 'no deal' scenario and MPs can keep tripping him up ..

The EU know this and can play 'hard ball'

The optimum compromise would be a public vote on any deal Boris can get ..





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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1624 on: July 23, 2019, 12:24:33 AM »
Of course I am no UK expert and would not choose to be.   But I read in two publications tonight that the Tory MPs who are holding out for a deal before leaving have already stated that they will not force a Vote of No Confidence, which, unless there are mass defections, would be needed to stop a no-deal Brexit.

Indeed, even the article in the Spectator (directly above) has opined that the Tory MPs won't force a vote of No-Confidence.

The ascension of Boris to the PM slot is a statement in and of itself.

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