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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #650 on: December 07, 2018, 11:20:32 PM »
More delusional dreams - without any basis in fact - from TC

It will be better, tariffs can benefit a country like the UK by leveling thd playing field and making it feasible to produce goods at home for the home market. That makes us more productive which means the gov brings in more tax revenue plus tariff revenue - it can pay down its debt. More jobs at home are created as a result rather than those jobs being abroad then shipping the goods in. People have been taught to be very anti tariff/free trade but not all countries benefit from that, some are better off with tariffs.

More jobs will NOT be created at home., they will be lost and investment in the UK falls away - I've yet to see you counter why Brexit supporters would rather build electric cars in Singapore- which - guess what? - just did a tariff free deal with the EU - rather than invest in the UK ?   I can tell you - they are full of it .. THEY will make more money - YOU won't ....



Take Trump for example

 take him as far away as possible - given his clueless comments on 'Brexit'


, now like him or loathe him he is a businessman with decades of experience.

He's stiffed more creditors and banks and had cos go bankrupt ... THAT sort of 'businessman' ?


He is pro-tariff for a reason - he sees that the US like the UK doesn't benefit that well under Free Trade. The effect in thd US is much thd same as the UK, cheap imports are bought, stopping goods & hence jobs being produced at home. If more jobs are created at home through protectionist tariffs then wages rise to pay for potentially slightly more expensive goods.

DUH, TC aren't you aware that 'Trampu' is seeing  iconic firms targeted by counter sanctions invest OUTSIDE the US - they are fed up with the EU et al targeting them - every time a daft US President tries and fails in a tariff war ?
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #651 on: December 08, 2018, 03:51:17 AM »
More delusional dreams - without any basis in fact - from TC

More jobs will NOT be created at home., they will be lost and investment in the UK falls away - I've yet to see you counter why Brexit supporters would rather build electric cars in Singapore- which - guess what? - just did a tariff free deal with the EU - rather than invest in the UK ?   I can tell you - they are full of it .. THEY will make more money - YOU won't ....



 take him as far away as possible - given his clueless comments on 'Brexit'


He's stiffed more creditors and banks and had cos go bankrupt ... THAT sort of 'businessman' ?


DUH, TC aren't you aware that 'Trampu' is seeing  iconic firms targeted by counter sanctions invest OUTSIDE the US - they are fed up with the EU et al targeting them - every time a daft US President tries and fails in a tariff war ?

And yet the US economy, jobs figures, etc has improved since Trump came to office, go figure, lol.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #652 on: December 08, 2018, 04:07:34 AM »
And yet the US economy, jobs figures, etc has improved since Trump came to office, go figure, lol.

It was already improving, - as was all other western economies - regardless of leadership ...
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #653 on: December 08, 2018, 10:53:06 AM »
It was already improving, - as was all other western economies - regardless of leadership ...

You would say that, lol, face it Mobers you've been caught out! As you no doubt know many US blue collar workers  (or unemployed blue collar workers) voted for Trump - a rich guy and not at all of their natural persuasion because they were fed up of seeing their jobs constantly float abroad and continually being laid of often for lenthy or indefinate periods. Trump promised to bring back and protect those jobs through ending free trade deals and bringing back tariffs.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #654 on: December 08, 2018, 12:16:03 PM »
You would say that

Do you doubt my stat ?  More fool you ...

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #655 on: December 10, 2018, 01:41:47 AM »
A REALLy important day, today .. the BIG vote

A great start to the day

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #656 on: December 10, 2018, 07:53:00 AM »
So, NO big vote - sorry - it is tomorrow - Tuesday ... well ..NO ..it's not ..

Mrs May now realises she'll LOSE so is hoping to persuade more folks to change their minds.. by delaying it ....

It really is time for this woman to quit and let the nation decide - and I do not mean letting Labour screw things up even more


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #657 on: December 10, 2018, 01:38:18 PM »
So, NO big vote - sorry - it is tomorrow - Tuesday ... well ..NO ..it's not ..

Mrs May now realises she'll LOSE so is hoping to persuade more folks to change their minds.. by delaying it ....

It really is time for this woman to quit and let the nation decide - and I do not mean letting Labour screw things up even more


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46509288


Think you'll just find that the default of a 'No Deal' Bexit has just come into play ;D It's 'the' only way Theresa May has left to go :D

Looks like the Brexiteers have played a good game of check-mate!
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #658 on: December 10, 2018, 10:50:52 PM »
Think you'll just find that the default of a 'No Deal' Bexit has just come into play ;D It's 'the' only way Theresa May has left to go :D

Looks like the Brexiteers have played a good game of check-mate!

There you go - again - with 'thinking'..

I REALLY do not know how to get you to understand ... they will never be a hard border with the Rep of Ireland .

THAT is why I've always told you this won't happen

In the mean time the GBP gets another good kicking ..18 month low ...
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #659 on: December 11, 2018, 06:09:43 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46515969

She and her team made the decision because the option of a horrendous defeat was more grim than the humiliation of delay.

Trench thinks this means more likelihood of the UK crashing out without a deal  ;D

They why is M
rs May desperately running to Brussels to get a 'crumb' from them ?

The game has changed and the people no longer trust Politicians
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #660 on: December 11, 2018, 11:59:56 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46515969

She and her team made the decision because the option of a horrendous defeat was more grim than the humiliation of delay.

Trench thinks this means more likelihood of the UK crashing out without a deal  ;D

They why is M
rs May desperately running to Brussels to get a 'crumb' from them ?

The game has changed and the people no longer trust Politicians

Because she wants to show that every avenue has been exhausted so people later dint turn around and say 'you could have gone back to brussels'.

Crucially it looks like she isn't going to get anything significant enough from Brussels.

Following on from her meetings today she has asked her cabinet to work on preparing for 'No Deal'.

If you consider all the possibilities then 'No Deal' is the easiest and perhaps only route forward:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

General Elections and further referendums ate unlikely to solve the problem. Theresa May in any case is likely to win a vote of no confidence since the DUP still say they will support her in a confidence vote. Brussels isn't interested in any further negotiations and the Brexiteers would be very much against such negotiations/entention to leaving the EU.

So 'No Deal' is looking the only viable way forward :D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #661 on: December 11, 2018, 12:16:34 PM »
Because she wants to show that every avenue has been exhausted so people later dint turn around and say 'you could have gone back to brussels'.

VERY few folk buy that ....  The FACT is she new she'd lose and is hoping for a crumb from the EU to help her survive

Crucially it looks like she isn't going to get anything significant enough from Brussels.

OMG - we agree on something

Following on from her meetings today she has asked her cabinet to work on preparing for 'No Deal'.

DUH, we've been spending billions on this scenario for months - and the govt has been pilloried by the Public Accounts Committee - not enough realistic progress

If you consider all the possibilities then 'No Deal' is the easiest and perhaps only route forward:


Wrong

You even go on to quote the VERY link that busts your 'logic'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399



So 'No Deal' is looking the only viable way forward :D

Sighs - no matter how often this is explained to you - it ain't going to happen ...  It is counter to the promise of the govt that nothing will happen to create a hard border with the Rep of Ireland ...It is unworkable and WHY it didn't take too much brain-power to predict this mess

We'll get an extension and the very worst case scenario will be a VERY soft 'Brexit' or ( better still ) none at all



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #662 on: December 11, 2018, 01:29:54 PM »
Sighs - no matter how often this is explained to you - it ain't going to happen ...  It is counter to the promise of the govt that nothing will happen to create a hard border with the Rep of Ireland ...It is unworkable and WHY it didn't take too much brain-power to predict this mess

We'll get an extension and the very worst case scenario will be a VERY soft 'Brexit' or ( better still ) none at all.

They can't do soft Brexit, i.e any sort of customs union or continue in the EU because:

a). The public voted to Leave the EU

and b) and more crucially,

b). Brexiteers will regard this as the last straw and jam full letters for a leadership election.

There WILL have to be a hard border in NI despite any promises made. The DUP have rejected her Chequers/EU deal AND they have rejected Customs Union/remaining an EU Member. They have embraced the idea of the UK leaving the EU. If as we expect the Chequers/EU deal will fail then they will have no other choice but to accept that no deal was possible and hence a hard border. After all that was not Theresa's choice so it's not something she pushed for. Personally I don't see why NI think they shouldn't have a hard border if the rest of the UK does. Any agreements made previous such in the peace process obviously don't stand if it is not possible to deliver on them.

Personally I think the DUP on the quiet accept that the no deal/hard border way is what is going to happen and they are not wishing to oppose that.

Are you SURE you don't want to come back Mobers? If you come back on bended knee we would be gladly :welcome: you back as a dear friend :D Surely preferable to ambling around like an extra on an Irish Famine production! all impoverished in tatty rags which if there is a hard border I can see Rep of Ireland struggling somewhat. Unless of course they decide they would prefer to be in our union :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #663 on: December 12, 2018, 07:41:02 AM »
Well the Tories have called a motion of no confidence in Theresa May. I think this is a silly move on the face of it if it is all/mostly the Brexiteers. At this point it takes away part of the hold over Theresa May that Brexiteers hold by having this as the threat/whip hand over her. Either way this may play out badly for them and reduces their ability to check her moves. I'm not even confident they will get the necessary votes needed to trigger a leadership election this evening. If they do then they will have to hope on getting a staunch Brexiteer like Boris Johnson in.

If Theresa May remains as leader they can only hope that enough time will be eaten up to make 'No Deal' the only option in addition to it being the default option.

There is of course a potential up side to this if Theresa wins the vote shortly.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #664 on: December 12, 2018, 11:20:25 AM »
TC..you still post clueless

The EU and the UK govt have promised no hard border in Ireland

Before you hit the reply button....think of those words and figure out what I have been telling you...or any other person clueless person about this border... all along

There cannot and will not be a  ' hard brexit'
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #665 on: December 12, 2018, 11:25:32 AM »
The 'brextremists' have finally got 48 members to try to unseat Mrs May?))

IF they win...which I doubt, they will simply force a vote in no confidence in the govt.

If they fail to get a Brextremist leader...and worse still Mrs May  wins...that is it re challenging her for another year and that also means her 'deal might result in a parliamentary vote of no confidence...

Your wet dream is doomed

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #666 on: December 12, 2018, 12:09:13 PM »
Not very knowledgeable regarding this, but . . .

Was listening to some discussion of last deal that Ms May was working on.

Seems it involved a Brexit, but . . .
leaving the border completely open between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Now it occurred to me that, if this proceeds, it will eventually lead to a re-unification between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

So UK shrinking further ??
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #667 on: December 12, 2018, 12:29:39 PM »

Now it occurred to me that, if this proceeds, it will eventually lead to a re-unification between Ireland and Northern Ireland.



ML, .

The DUP hold 10 seats and prop up Mrs May's right of centre govt.

N.Ireland voted REMAIN and the feeling is now 70/30 in favour of remain

Bizarrely, the DUP want to LEAVE - but know they might lose seats BIG time in a general election

There is NO, repeat NO  majority support  for a 'united' Ireland in N.Ireland... given the UK spends SO much more - proportionally - on N.Ireland citizens - compared to the rest of the UK.

Example : Free visits to the Doctors in the 'north' (UK) - 50 - 80 Euros in the 'South' ( Rep. of Ireland )

As you know, house prices in Eire are daft - due to the govt policy of not building social housing and private landlords cashing in ( buy to let )

You have TOTALLY misread the situation

The problem is that the near 100 year old Common Travel Agreement allows UK/ EIRE nationals to live / work as they please and this is enhanced and strengthened by the Good Friday Agreement

EVEN the DUP no not seek a 'hard border' and 'no deal'..  they REFUSE to accept that their good be 'customs controls' between N.I and the rest of the UK - it is a circle that just cannot be squared



You need to understand that 'my' people were planted in the North to 'Britify' 400 + years ago  it and they feel more British than any other part of the UK ....  it's a lot like Crimea - 'un-natural' ....

Ironically, an argument for rejecting any closer ties with the South used to be the absolute control the R.Catholic Church held over govt policy ... Now, Eire has a gay leader, will reduce the arduous abortion laws and has become MUCH more progressive than 'my' people - many of whom are stuck in the dark ages .

Now, the Scots might demand another referendum if the UK 'Brexits' in any manner ...so the UK could get smaller




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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #668 on: December 12, 2018, 12:51:00 PM »
Hey, I already admitted I was not knowledgeable about it.

But, even as such, I still think my instincts are right in that it could lead to a re-unification of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

It doesn't matter that NI is more 'British' than elsewhere and doesn't even matter the political parties or religions involved.

All I know is that when there are restrictions (or at least difficulties, delays, paperwork) regarding travel and commerce between certain regions . . . and lack of such restrictions between other regions . . . that there will eventually develop close connections between the regions with lack of restrictions.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #669 on: December 12, 2018, 02:19:39 PM »
Well the news just in is that Theresa has won the confidence vote by 200 votes. So she won't have to face another confidence vote by her party on her leadership for another year as a minimum. That should take us well beyond Brexit leave date.

So the Brexiteers have shot their bolt if they were all Brexiteers that were the 48 letters. They won't be able to weild the fear of a confidence vote against her in present entanglements. The only upside for them is that Tory Remainers are also blocked now from replacing her :D . My biggest fear was that had she lost some ghastly Remain MP like Anna Soubry would become PM in a leadership contest. Remainers now will not be able to call a vote of no confidence in Mrs May if she decides to default to the 'No Deal' when her Chequers/EU bill gets defeated :)
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« Reply #670 on: December 12, 2018, 02:25:44 PM »
She won by 83 votes - meaning 117 of her own party have come out and will do all they can to ruin her 'Brexit Deal'


I'm just wondering when Labour and the other opposition parties will man up and put this govt out of it's misery

May's 'deal' has NO chance of getting the support it needs and it's time for the people to decide





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« Reply #671 on: December 12, 2018, 02:51:24 PM »
She won by 83 votes - meaning 117 of her own party have come out and will do all they can to ruin her 'Brexit Deal'


I'm just wondering when Labour and the other opposition parties will man up and put this govt out of it's misery

May's 'deal' has NO chance of getting the support it needs and it's time for the people to decide

Well we both agree that May's deal can't get the votes it needs, I'm happy enough with that :)

However she DOES have the votes needed to survive a no confidence vote. Corbyn knows that so he knows  that unless there is any change, basically the DUP in propping her gov up there is no point in manning up to a vote.

The DUP have said they reject the deal but crucially will support her in a no confidence vote under a no deal scenario, lol. That means it's going to be 'No Deal' - it's just a matter of time before we get to that as the new government position :)

As far as more Referendums and General Elections go those are off the table. It would just cause more bother for May than she needs and likely solve nothing. The Brexiteers have lost their stick with which to guide her to no deal but equally the Remainers are now blocked from removing her. Odds are she will take the easier less conteoversial route and follow along the now short path to 'No Deal' Brexit ;)
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« Reply #672 on: December 12, 2018, 05:44:00 PM »
Now, the Scots might demand another referendum if the UK 'Brexits' in any manner ...so the UK could get smaller

There's no way Theresa will allow a second Scottish Referendum. She's too busy with Bremit,  she won't want the complexit increased and she has probably had he fill off elections, votes & referendums, lol.

Furthermore, she will know once the UK leave the UK the SNP will struggle to convince voters of the soundness of the case to leave the UK. Essentially Scotland would have to reapply to join the EU, there would be issues over whether to use the Pound or Euro, AND they would likely face hard border issues that are now facing NI. So leaving the EU hamelin to strengthen the UK as all these regions of the UK are dependent on a close relationship with England. England is the real powerhouse of tge UK :D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #673 on: December 12, 2018, 05:44:33 PM »
The issue is proving to be the catastrophe predicted.

Simple solution -- go back to the people and vote again.

What should have happened --those who promoted Brexit so hard should have had an actual detailed plan and put that to the vote.

Instead -- right out of the Trump playbook of empty rhetoric supported  by Russian money and trolls intent on causing trouble in the west eg lets scare the hell out of people with the we are being taken over by -fill in whatever colour/creed/nationality/ethnic group that invokes the most fear-who will take all our jobs,be criminals etc etc and appeal to the moron uneducated ( that includes clowns like TC who must have got his "qualification" in a wheaties packet )  fringe.

What did happen-the promoters of Brexit abandoned any role in actually executing it and were/are happy to stand back and fire shots at those stuck with the problem.

Go vote again-- this time with people understanding what it actually means to leave -- and the short and long term costs. :popcorn:

It was every bit as a dumb decision as the US making Trump & Co President!


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #674 on: December 12, 2018, 06:41:58 PM »
It's not that simple Jay to 'go vote again' - the moment that gets put in the motion it comes into conflict with the first vote - it challenges it's authority and whether any referendum has any validity. That's before you even get to the 'what question(s) to have on the ballot, lol. There are literally loads of choices now to be pit to voters from both Brexit & Remain camps, i.e Stay in EU, customs union, Norway agreement, EFTA, EEA, Canada Plus, Leave on WTA terms, etc, etc to name but a few.

Even if one of them won enough votes in a referendum there is likely NOT a majority in Parliament to deliver on it. That is before you get to cries of the legitimacy of a second referendum, the questions that should or shouldn't have been put to voters on it, etc.

If the same question is put your voters as on the first then people will ask why the other questions were not there and why the first referendum was not honoured so why should the second.

What is ludicrous is many Remainers don't realise the insanity of what they are doing in pressing so ardently for a second referendum. THERE IS JUST AS MUCH CONFUSION AMOUNG THE SECOND REFERENDUM CROWD IF NOT MORE THAN  THERE IS IN THE CURRENT BREXIT SITUATION. There solution of a second referendum offers no logical way out. It just digs the hole deeper. What's funniest is that those proposing a second referendum don't see this they are so he'll bent in their aim of getting a second referendum. I tell you though if they did get one the divisions would all immediately open up and thd quarrelling would begin over what should be on the second referendum.

Hillary Benn (Labour Remain) was on the BBC NEWS today again pressing for a second referendum. However, when it got to what question(s) to put on thd ballot he would go no further than to say it would need to be decidedone what questions to put on the ballot, lol. Yeah that is putting it mildly - there is no consensus on that from MP's nor the people, there never will be because as Mobe's favourite saying goes its a circle that can't never be squared.

The ONLY way out of this Brexit situation is to let it go to 'No Deal'. It is the default of both the UK and the EU, it is near now just over 3 months away so will solve this Brexit situation. The legislation had been passed for a No Deal Brexit so it's a one and only choice that HAS been approved by parliament and respects thd referendum.
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

 

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