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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1325 on: May 16, 2019, 08:21:06 AM »
So..where's your £50?

May going and ANY new Tory leader who is a brextremist will not make an iota of difference..

Without the people having a say... Boris will not be able to take us out...






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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1326 on: May 16, 2019, 09:55:59 AM »
So..where's your £50?

May going and ANY new Tory leader who is a brextremist will not make an iota of difference..

Without the people having a say... Boris will not be able to take us out...

The people have had their say in the Referendum Mobers. Perhaps you didn't hear David Cameron say it was a once in a lifetime opportunity for the people of the UK to have their say and that the vote would be respected either way even if one side was  just a few votes over.

No Deal Brexit IS the only viable option left. All the other options have now been given time to make headway and have failed to do so and been discredited. Wait and you will see Mobers :)
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1327 on: May 16, 2019, 10:20:04 AM »
The people have had their say in the Referendum Mobers. Perhaps you didn't hear David Cameron say it was a once in a lifetime opportunity for the people of the UK to have their say and that the vote would be respected either way even if one side was  just a few votes over.

No Deal Brexit IS the only viable option left. All the other options have now been given time to make headway and have failed to do so and been discredited. Wait and you will see Mobers :)

Cameron was REAL smart ..

He walked away and the remainders realized it wasn't legally binding ..

Mrs May nor any successor cannot deliver what the majority of people - now - wiser -  do not want

It is noted your 'conviction issues got ducked ...as usual  :popcorn:

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1328 on: May 17, 2019, 04:30:04 AM »
Whilst the likes of Moby and his ilk will tell you that HNW people are flocking to get Irish passports because of Brexit,the reality, as told by an investment consultant dealing with these people talking on Sky News today,is that these people are applying for said passport because they fear a Labour Government.
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1329 on: May 17, 2019, 05:14:17 AM »
Seems that the manifesto'less' thebrexitparty.com are really going nowhere in real terms - poll from 3/4 days ago ..



Source: http://www.markpack.org.uk


Indeed: 'led by donkeys' and voted for by sheeple .. 

Other than getting out of Europe - ( 'no deal' scenario) which the HoC will block - and rightly so - as we simply cannot 'leave' without paying our commitments - there are a few howlers creeping out as to 'policy' of Farage and his questionable funding sources..

This is man who did not want :

1/ a no deal brexit

2/ wanted a second referendum - to 'silence' remainers ;)

3/ dodges his income from a VERY questionable source with alleged  links to ... the Kremlin !

Some folks are V easily misled ..

Farage' funding secrets revealed:








Mr Banks, through one of his companies, rented exclusive £4.4m Chelsea home for Mr Farage
Gifts included furniture, council tax, water and electricity bills
Banks provided a £30k car and £20k for a driver
Banks also leased private office for £1,500 a month and paid Mr Farage’s personal assistant
Hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent promoting “Brand Farage” in America
A company owned by Mr Banks, called Rock Services Ltd, leased a £4.4m three-bedroom Chelsea home with a garage for Mr Farage at an estimated rent of £13,000 a month in summer 2016.

Mr Banks also bought furniture and fittings for the house, including crockery, chairs and bathroom accessories and even even a shower curtain.

Mr Farage was also provided with a Land Rover Discovery, valued at £32,300, for his use.

Mr Banks paid £20,000 for a close protection driver and sought to raise a further £130,000 from unnamed supporters to cover Mr Farage’s security detail.

The revelations are contained in invoices, emails and other documents seen by Channel 4 News which lay bare Mr Farage’s financial reliance on Arron Banks to fund his lavish lifestyle after he announced he was standing down as UKIP leader following the referendum.

They further reveal that Mr Banks funded a private office space for Mr Farage at 40 Great Smith Street in Westminster, and paid the salary of a personal assistant.

Mr Farage continued to serve as a member of the European Parliament on a salary of €100,000 a year plus expenses.


THIS .. from a guy who told us he was 'retiring' from Politics as there was no money in it ;)














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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1330 on: May 17, 2019, 05:31:59 AM »
This is where the running scared bremoaners start  smear campaigns against Farage..just as the running scared Democrats did with Trump in the USA....even including the same alleged Russian links BS stories.: ))

Channel 4 is very well-known for it's anti-Brexit stance..supporters of Brexit refuse to talk with the channel at various rallies.

Chancers like Channel 4 preying on gullible bremoaners : )
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1331 on: May 17, 2019, 06:08:10 AM »
This is where the running scared bremoaners start  smear campaigns against Farage..just as the running scared Democrats did with Trump in the USA....even including the same alleged Russian links BS stories.: ))

Channel 4 is very well-known for it's anti-Brexit stance..supporters of Brexit refuse to talk with the channel at various rallies.

Chancers like Channel 4 preying on gullible bremoaners : )
The Fool is grasping at straws. And yes, there is a pattern being followed. Smear tactics, fake news, MSM connivance, it’s easily discernible.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1332 on: May 22, 2019, 12:21:46 AM »
Well,

Tomorrow is the vote for the Member of the EU Parliament elections and the polls re EU membership STILL show Remain is favoured ..

The brexitparty.com leader says he has no plan other than crashing us out of the EU and will reveal his manefesto, after..

Q: who in their right might would trust such nonsense?


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1333 on: May 22, 2019, 02:56:57 AM »
Well,

Tomorrow is the vote for the Member of the EU Parliament elections and the polls re EU membership STILL show Remain is favoured ..

The brexitparty.com leader says he has no plan other than crashing us out of the EU and will reveal his manefesto, after..

Q: who in their right might would trust such nonsense?
Yet again The Forum Fool is being downright devious here.
These are elections for the European Parliament. No manifesto required here. So Farage is doing nothing improper here by arguing for Brexit. Just as the Libdems are promoting the Remain cause.
When the time comes for a GE, there will be a manifesto presented by Nige.
See how circumspect with the truth MobyMoaner is?

The latest polls for this election put the Brexit Party in the lead with 37%.

Yet again, more dishonesty from this deviant liar.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1334 on: May 22, 2019, 03:00:53 AM »
Repeat post

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1335 on: May 22, 2019, 04:42:40 AM »
Polls STILL show REMAIN of LEAVE parties - much closer than I'd like - but 'Leave' seemed to think 52/48 was 'OK' last time ..


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/20/pro-anti-brexit-parties-neck-and-neck-eu-election-poll

Total anti-'Brexit' 37.5%

For 'Brexit' 36.3

Farage being investigated by the EU for non-declaration of 450k GBP - 600k USD of funding and the electoral commission visit thebrexitparty.com headquarters to get them to comply with funding principles ..  Donations of less than £500 do not need to be declared and Farage has a lot of 'paypal' friends all of a sudden ;)

WHO in the right mind trusts this guy ? 


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1336 on: May 22, 2019, 04:54:26 AM »
Following the smear campaign by the running-scared bremoaners ,the Electoral Commission did indeed visit the Brexit Party offices this week,and after seven hours investigation found errr absolutely nothing wrong.


Bremoaner Moby forgot to mention the last bit...surprise surprise..
« Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 05:01:44 AM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1337 on: May 22, 2019, 05:28:55 AM »
Ooops

sorry

forgot to mention that my pol does NOT include Labour voters ( 2:1  remain ) and any Tory voters still left are 60:40 'leave' - which make the 'difference MUCH larger

Some links to my posts :
Nigel Farage to be examined over £450,000 payment from Arron Banks[/b]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48354209]

Nigel Farage to be examined over £450,000 payment from Arron Banks


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48354209


European elections 2019: Electoral Commission reviewing Brexit Party funding


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48337499

What muppett believes this?:

"The move comes after the Brexit Party’s chair admitted he did not know whether its PayPal account was taking foreign cash, saying: “I don’t know what currencies people are paying in.”"

ANYONE dealing with Paypal across frontiers knows one can have accounts in USD, GBP, Euros but - NOT ( example -  Roubles ) - in Russia the default currency is USD)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/electoral-commission-brexit-party-donations-funding-review-headquarters-a8922086.html
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1338 on: May 22, 2019, 07:15:39 AM »
MobySome stuff 'brextremists' - including Farage / Boris et al  -  need to 'get' ;)


"From the point of view of Brexiters, no deal makes sense because, unlike the backstop, it would leave the UK completely free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world on terms of its own choosing. It also means control over immigration, and no interference by the European Court of Justice (ECJ). [ but we would still be - like TR and RU - a member of the Council of Europe and therefore the EC HR ]

But this line of thinking relies on a series of highly optimistic assumptions about how no deal would pan out. The argument of Tice and co runs like this. Once we’ve left, the EU will sit down with us to negotiate a trade deal. In the interim, article 24(5) of the WTO’s general agreement on tariffs and trade (GATT) will ensure that no new restrictions on trade are put in place.

The problem with this “logic” is that it’s simply wrong in law. The main aim of article 24 of GATT is to enable the adoption of an interim agreement necessary for the formation of a customs union (CU) or a free-trade area (FTA) within a reasonable period of time (10 years). This recognises that a CU or an FTA will take time to conclude, and may need to be implemented gradually. The interim agreement is intended to prevent an increase of tariffs or regulations in the meantime.

But if Britain crashes out without a withdrawal deal, there will be no negotiations and hence no agreement leading to a CU or an FTA. The EU has made it clear that, in the event of a no-deal outcome, it will expect to settle outstanding withdrawal issues with the UK (money, citizens’ rights and the Northern Ireland border) before even thinking about talking future trade arrangements. Which in turn means GATT article 24 won’t apply. So we would immediately find ourselves trading on WTO terms, with the tariffs and checks that those imply, and no 10-year cushion. And no other major trading nation trades purely on WTO terms.

British goods exported to the EU would be subject to tariffs. True, many of them are low (2-5%) but for agriculture they might be crippling, especially for small farmers (the average tariff on agri-food products is 22%, with dairy at 30% and meat often getting over 50%).

Tariffs on goods coming into Britain would still be maintained on a number of food and animals products, as well as cars, but these would be significantly reduced for things such as pork and poultry. This may lead to cheaper products for consumers but would be devastating for many family farms, unable to compete with agricultural products coming from the US and elsewhere. It would also mean a hard border in Northern Ireland to control the quality of goods going to the Republic of Ireland and thus into the EU.

There would be delays on goods crossing the border and associated costs. As part of the EU single market and customs union there are no customs checks or formalities. No deal, by contrast, would mean the introduction of a swath of documentary checks, as well as a number of physical checks on vehicles and goods.

These are, whatever the odd quote from an official in Calais might imply, not optional. Indeed, they happen at the UK border already for non-EU goods. This matters particularly for those manufacturing industries reliant on “just in time” supply chains, whose business models would simply not function in the event of delays at ports.

Take the car industry. Honda requires 350 trucks to carry 2m components to its Swindon plant each day. It says that just 15 minutes of customs delays would cost it up to £850,000 a year. Stockpiling parts to mitigate this would be hugely difficult and expensive.

And then there are services, a crucial area for the UK economy. The UK would be relying on the relevant WTO provision: the general agreement on trade in services (GATS), which contains very limited provisions. So, to take one example, the 750 UK-based TV channels that broadcast into the EU will have to cease doing so or move into Europe. UK companies establishing in Europe will have to deal with 27 different sets of rules instead of one. And they will have limited protection against discrimination, meaning reduced UK investment abroad and reduced job growth here: every job created abroad by UK companies creates 3.5 in the UK.

The WTO also says nothing about cooperation in the field of criminal justice. The close cooperation enjoyed by UK police and law enforcement agencies with their counterparts in the EU27 will cease. The UK will no longer have access to the EU databases sharing information about wanted people, nor will it have access to the European arrest warrant (for returning criminals to the UK). Rather, it will have to rely on arcane conventions from the 1950s and bilateral agreements with each EU state. They will be nowhere near as effective as EU law is now.

The no-deal slogan is appealing in its simplicity. And it ticks many political boxes for those who support it. But there needs to be honesty about the consequences."

Moby:
Little things like the Northern Ireland Border with the R of Ireland already being guaranteed to be OPEN by a 100 year old agreement ( Common Travel Agreement)  and the Good Friday Agreement mean that Farage and Co. simply cannot deliver what they promise - 'controlling' immigration / flow of goods


Source: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/21/clean-brexit-party-no-deal?

Note the source is NOT a Guardian journo

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1339 on: May 22, 2019, 03:27:58 PM »
Well,

Tomorrow is the vote for the Member of the EU Parliament elections and the polls re EU membership STILL show Remain is favoured ..

The brexitparty.com leader says he has no plan other than crashing us out of the EU and will reveal his manefesto, after..

Q: who in their right might would trust such nonsense?

Moby, any remain vote will be split tomorrow as neither the Greens, Lib Dems, Labour or your Change UK have been able to effectively become the lead force in the Remain camp.

If the opinion polls are correct then Farage and his Brexit Party on the other hand have managed to achieve the objective of becoming the lead force in the Leave camp. He will have managed to see off UKIP and take the lead role off them and do thereby becoming the main Brexit force whilst also taking Tory voters to his side.

Face it Mobers it's all over for you Remoaners :D
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1340 on: May 22, 2019, 11:46:15 PM »
Trench,

I voted tactically..Lib Dem.

The only thing you got right is that thebrexitparty.com  is that  a single issue partyis all they are..and they will fail..

The other parties outnumber them.. 
I'm still so confident that we will not exit without a deal, if at all, that my 50 GBP wager stands..

May will be gone and theBrexit party.com do not have a say in the HoC..

Think about it...

Any harder line Tory leader that tries to push through such a deal, without the public confirming will face humiliation.

They will compromise or perish on the Tory pire of Europe.



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1341 on: May 23, 2019, 03:08:24 AM »
Trench,

I voted tactically..Lib Dem.

The only thing you got right is that thebrexitparty.com  is that  a single issue partyis all they are..and they will fail..

The other parties outnumber them.. 
I'm still so confident that we will not exit without a deal, if at all, that my 50 GBP wager stands..

May will be gone and theBrexit party.com do not have a say in the HoC..

Think about it...

Any harder line Tory leader that tries to push through such a deal, without the public confirming will face humiliation.

They will compromise or perish on the Tory pure of Europe.

Oh dear your Change UK really don't stand much of a chance do they if their supporters like you are already going of to be Lib Dems. Looks like come a GE the Change UK MP's will have thrown away their seats lol.

Theresa May will hopefully/thankfully be gone soon and Boris Johnson looks highly likely to replace her. The Tories need s leader that is popular enough to win a GE and no one else in their party other than Boris can do that for them.

If the Brexit Party win big today that will feature big on Tory MP's minds as they will see that they MUST go for a No Deal Brexit or face losing as lot of their seats in a GE. The tide is turning massively in favour of leaving the EU with a No Deal Brexit and support for the Brexit Party demonstrates that :)
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1342 on: May 23, 2019, 04:00:36 AM »
Loads of meaningless words..

You are STILL ducking the wager..

We both know why...

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1343 on: May 23, 2019, 04:23:49 AM »
Shame British voters have not wised up, yet !...

BBC News - European parliament elections: The Brexit effect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48364626

''Fast-forward almost three years and here we are, it's European Parliament elections time - and although Eurosceptic parties are expected to make a strong showing at the polls, there's barely a peep amongst them (UK parties remaining the exception) about leaving the EU.''


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1344 on: May 24, 2019, 03:18:39 AM »
Some wonderful breaking news, Theresa May has finally just announced she is resigning as Tory PM effective 7th June, hooray!!! Bring on Boris and a No Deal Brexit! :D
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1345 on: May 24, 2019, 03:26:37 AM »
Trench proves what a Muppet he is..

Mrs May's replacement will find it harder to win support for what is no longer wanted by the Maj. of voters or MPs..

This is just the Tories tearing themselves apart..


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1346 on: May 24, 2019, 03:47:12 AM »
When Farage appears back on the political scene things start happening again...remainer PM resigns..bremoaners become increasingly more desperate in their various forum postings ; )))

I put my X for the Brexit party yesterday.: )
« Last Edit: May 24, 2019, 03:49:21 AM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #1347 on: May 24, 2019, 04:31:56 AM »
When Farage appears back on the political scene things start happening again...remainer PM resigns..bremoaners become increasingly more desperate in their various forum postings ; )))

I put my X for the Brexit party yesterday.: )
Good for you CB.
Sunday evening is going to be interesting.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1348 on: May 24, 2019, 05:08:29 AM »
Trench proves what a Muppet he is..

Mrs May's replacement will find it harder to win support for what is no longer wanted by the Maj. of voters or MPs..

This is just the Tories tearing themselves apart..

No, they'll see Farage and his Brexit Party up and coming and he's striking fear in the Tory Party that they'll lose all their seats in a GE if not by a Brexit MP taking their seat then by their running splitting the vote.

Theresa's EU deal plan has ended in failure, Labour are divided and their custom union plan has come to nothing. Tory MP's that are undecided will vote for a No Deal Brexit from fear of losing their seats. Any few remaining Tories that don't will be negated by Labour Leave revels that will vote with the Government. Either that or Boris will call a GE to gain as majority which he stands a good chance of getting as s last resort.

Game's up Mobers, prepare to ready yourself for Brexit! :cheesy:
No Deal is Ideal, It's a Free Britain we want :)

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1349 on: May 24, 2019, 06:52:20 AM »
So where's your fifty Quid?..

We BOTH know I'm right..

thebrexitparty.com will be like UKIP and the Greens..

Unable to muster more MPs than I have fingers on one hands.

There will not be a no deal brexit




 

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