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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1800 on: August 10, 2019, 08:02:10 AM »
The only way opposition parties will defeat Boris will be if the Brexit Party runs candidates against most Tory candidates in a General Election or they all get together in election pacts.

So far it looks like at least Labour will reject an Election pact. Boris has to go for an Election date after the 31st October to stand any hope of the Brexit Party not running. There's no way that no deal can be avoided on the 31st unless Boris & the Tories want it so which they don't :)

As Boris states, Corbyn or anyone else stating otherwise is just a political stunt. I don't actually believe that Corbyn really cares he's aim is just to lay into the Tory leadership with anything.

We've already had the referendum, now everone is fed up and just wants it done. I'm pretty sure in about three weeks we'll get our General Election announcement for an election after the 31st and hopefully the Brexit Party won't run full out in it and we'll shutyiu up for good Mobers :D

Lots of hot air ...and daftness..

Boris cannot deliver 'a no deal' Brexit ... It doesn't matter wo calls an election.. the brexitprty.com do not trust Boris, either ;)

Labour  remainers / those against a no deal exit are FAR more likely to vote for a  party representing an electoral pact ..

All that remains now is

1/ waiting for the big lie that will b the last roll of the dice

2/ Trench to admit the very reason he voted 'leave' in June 2016 was based on his not appreciating that HE should leave the UK  - based on his criteria of not  supporting those who don't contribute  :rolleyes:





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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1801 on: August 10, 2019, 08:45:09 AM »
Lots of hot air ...and daftness..

Boris cannot deliver 'a no deal' Brexit ... It doesn't matter wo calls an election.. the brexitprty.com do not trust Boris, either ;)

Labour  remainers / those against a no deal exit are FAR more likely to vote for a  party representing an electoral pact ..

All that remains now is

1/ waiting for the big lie that will b the last roll of the dice

2/ Trench to admit the very reason he voted 'leave' in June 2016 was based on his not appreciating that HE should leave the UK  - based on his criteria of not  supporting those who don't contribute  :rolleyes:

So your telling me he can't call an election for after the 31st October with Britain leaving under default with No Deal? Funny that seems exactly what he is going to do and can do, lol

I don't wish to contribute to the wrong decisions this country makes such as taking in asylum seekers and women getting free housing just for getting pregnant. Would you like to be putting in loads of work all day with the fruits of your labour going to them while being excluded from free housing yourself for not falling into one of those groups?

And people talk of equality and not discriminating in this country!
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1802 on: August 10, 2019, 11:08:36 AM »
I don't wish to contribute to the wrong decisions this country makes such as taking in asylum seekers and women getting free housing just for getting pregnant. Would you like to be putting in loads of work all day with the fruits of your labour going to them while being excluded from free housing yourself for not falling into one of those groups?

And people talk of equality and not discriminating in this country!


A bit rich coming from someone who openly admits that he works the minimal number of hours per week to get by and wants to contribute nothing to society that doesn't benefit him in return. There are foreign citizens here that contribute substantially more than you in more ways than one.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1803 on: August 10, 2019, 02:22:12 PM »

A bit rich coming from someone who openly admits that he works the minimal number of hours per week to get by and wants to contribute nothing to society that doesn't benefit him in return. There are foreign citizens here that contribute substantially more than you in more ways than one.

At least I cover myself in terms of contribution, the ones I mentioned don't. Most East Europeans either send the money back home out the country or are greedy and try and do too much work, depriving local people of work. Also some East Europeans get paid cash in hand to avoid paying any tax, their Employers too.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1804 on: August 10, 2019, 03:08:07 PM »
If they are working for criminals, that's one thing.  Those types of "employers" would be doing the same without East Europeans.


East Europeans sending money home are still spending money in the UK, on shelter, food, transportation, clothing.  So, an overall plus to the economy.  They also tend to be young, so aren't costing much in terms of social services.


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1805 on: August 11, 2019, 02:03:35 AM »
At least I cover myself in terms of contribution, the ones I mentioned don't. Most East Europeans either send the money back home out the country or are greedy and try and do too much work, depriving local people of work. Also some East Europeans get paid cash in hand to avoid paying any tax, their Employers too.

Please send us proof of your 'contention'..

In the meantime, I'm still waiting for you to explain how govt depts stats are 'lies' when they bust you ...

FACT: EU/EEA migrants are net contributors ...you voted 'leave' out of ignorance or stupidity ..
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1806 on: August 11, 2019, 02:53:02 AM »
Please send us proof of your 'conention'..

In the meantim, I'm still waiting for you to explain how govt depts stats are 'lies' when they bust you ...

FACT: EU/EEA migrants are net contributors ...you voted 'leave' out of ignorance or stupidity ..

Mobe, stats can be twisted to whatever the user of those stats want, they essentially can mean very little to nothing under that context.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1807 on: August 11, 2019, 03:02:30 AM »
If they are working for criminals, that's one thing.  Those types of "employers" would be doing the same without East Europeans.


East Europeans sending money home are still spending money in the UK, on shelter, food, transportation, clothing.  So, an overall plus to the economy.  They also tend to be young, so aren't costing much in terms of social services.


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Funny thing is Boe ever since they came in a decade or so ago there has been massive cut backs in all services provided by the government both local and national. All government services are under strain, all are under pressure of too many people needing access to their services and too little funding which is constantly being cut back further year on year. Councils are having to amalgamate, lay off staff, charge the higher rate of council tax between the two or three etc of them upon amalgamation. Every local authority service is facing cut backs and layoffs in its departments, All emergency services and gov departments are facing cut backs. Homelessness has been rising fast, etc, etc.

All of this has happened since East Europeans came here, which speaks for itself. If such a system worked the gov would be getting the money it needs, fact is that it doesn't. They use our services but don't put in the money they should. After Brexit I think we'll see quite a change in all of that. Other West European countries are likely to take note and follow us upon seeing how things are much better outside the EU.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1808 on: August 11, 2019, 03:03:49 AM »
Mobe, stats can be twisted to whatever the user of those stats want, they essentially can mean very little to nothing under that context.

FACT - EU/EEA nationals paid 2300 more in tax than ave UK workers..    Live with your misconscptions and earn to deal with them !

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1809 on: August 11, 2019, 03:06:14 AM »
Now Trench is 'blaming' austerity on EU/EEA nationals - rather than the world-wide financial crash ?




Funny thing is Boe ever since they came in a decade or so ago there has been massive cut backs in all services provided by the government both local and national. All government services are under strain, all are under pressure of too many people needing access to their services and too little funding which is constantly being cut back further year on year. Councils are having to amalgamate, lay off staff, charge the higher rate of council tax between the two or three etc of them upon amalgamation. Every local authority service is facing cut backs and layoffs in its departments, All emergency services and gov departments are facing cut backs. Homelessness has been rising fast, etc, etc.

All of this has happened since East Europeans came here, which speaks for itself. If such a system worked the gov would be getting the money it needs, fact is that it doesn't. They use our services but don't put in the money they should. After Brexit I think we'll see quite a change in all of that. Other West European countries are likely to take note and follow us upon seeing how things are much better outside the EU.

Admit it, Trench you're just a racist and a clueless one at that ..

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1810 on: August 11, 2019, 09:42:03 AM »
Now Trench is 'blaming' austerity on EU/EEA nationals - rather than the world-wide financial crash ?




Admit it, Trench you're just a racist and a clueless one at that ..

Now, now, cheer up Moby old chum, no need to resort to negative thinking there's good news in for you today:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-49308970

Appears next time you're in the good o'l Uk you're be treated to seeing Brexit coins in use. What's more they won't be commemorative but in mass circulation meaning you could get to handle them all the time! :D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1811 on: August 11, 2019, 09:53:24 AM »
Now, now, cheer up Moby old chum, no need to resort to negative thinking there's good news in for you today:

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-49308970

Appears next time you're in the good o'l Uk you're be treated to seeing Brexit coins in use. What's more they won't be commemorative but in mass circulation meaning you could get to handle them all the time! :D

Nothing 'negative'about my observation - other than your stance ...

1/ You tell us how much you earn and it's your choice..

2/ You voted 'leave' because you THOUGHT that EU/ EEA citizens were a drain' - when it is clear they are not ..



The irony of you not'getting' these' insane electoral promises - many of which are recycled policy - never ceases to amaze..

Yup - those who sought Brexit - really aren't that smart - other than those worried about new EU / EEA tax legislation that would have outed their tax dodges ..




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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1812 on: August 11, 2019, 11:56:10 AM »
Trench is lazy. The other irony is that he's a racist/xenophobe yet wants to 'import' a foreign wife.  :cluebat:

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1813 on: August 11, 2019, 01:26:12 PM »
Funny thing is Boe ever since they came in a decade or so ago there has been massive cut backs in all services provided by the government both local and national. All government services are under strain, all are under pressure of too many people needing access to their services and too little funding which is constantly being cut back further year on year. Councils are having to amalgamate, lay off staff, charge the higher rate of council tax between the two or three etc of them upon amalgamation. Every local authority service is facing cut backs and layoffs in its departments, All emergency services and gov departments are facing cut backs. Homelessness has been rising fast, etc, etc.

All of this has happened since East Europeans came here, which speaks for itself. If such a system worked the gov would be getting the money it needs, fact is that it doesn't. They use our services but don't put in the money they should. After Brexit I think we'll see quite a change in all of that. Other West European countries are likely to take note and follow us upon seeing how things are much better outside the EU.

So you are blaming conservative government austerity policies  on the EU and East European  immigrants instead of blaming the elected officials responsible?

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1814 on: August 12, 2019, 12:23:46 PM »
Reuters just came out with new odds for Brexit.

Seems that the greatest likelihood is a free trade deal with Brexit:  40%

No Deal Brexit moves into second place with a 35% likelihood.

Remain is sucking the furthermost mammary from the front of the cow:   25%

The straw poll was taken from industry experts.   To read the whole shebang, go to Reuters.  Too tired to keep posting links here that no one reads.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1815 on: August 12, 2019, 12:35:25 PM »
"NI new orders and business output drop fastest in UK"

New orders and business output in Northern Ireland fell at the fastest rate of any UK region in July, according to Ulster Bank's Purchasing Managers Index.

The bank surveys firms across the private sector regarding employment levels, new orders and exports.

It is considered to be a trusted barometer of private sector activity.

Business activity in Northern Ireland's private sector slowed last month for the fifth month in a row.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49300730


So much for 'Golden Ages' ..

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1816 on: August 12, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
Reuters just came out with new odds for Brexit.

Seems that the greatest likelihood is a free trade deal with Brexit:  40%

No Deal Brexit moves into second place with a 35% likelihood.

Remain is sucking the furthermost mammary from the front of the cow:   25%

The straw poll was taken from industry experts.   To read the whole shebang, go to Reuters.  Too tired to keep posting links here that no one reads.

Trust me Jone, it's 100% for a No Deal Brexit now, all the way :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1817 on: August 12, 2019, 05:10:53 PM »
"NI new orders and business output drop fastest in UK"

New orders and business output in Northern Ireland fell at the fastest rate of any UK region in July, according to Ulster Bank's Purchasing Managers Index.

The bank surveys firms across the private sector regarding employment levels, new orders and exports.

It is considered to be a trusted barometer of private sector activity.

Business activity in Northern Ireland's private sector slowed last month for the fifth month in a row.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49300730


So much for 'Golden Ages' ..

We're not backing down Mobe, we're pushing ahead with No Deal Brexit whatever the cost.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1818 on: August 12, 2019, 09:19:15 PM »
I'm half Asian. Trench has never said anything bad to me. Gave me a compliments a few times. If Trench is racist, then I hope you'd all be racist to me.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1819 on: August 12, 2019, 09:45:49 PM »
Reuters just came out with new odds for Brexit.

Seems that the greatest likelihood is a free trade deal with Brexit:  40%

No Deal Brexit moves into second place with a 35% likelihood.

Remain is sucking the furthermost mammary from the front of the cow:   25%

The straw poll was taken from industry experts.   To read the whole shebang, go to Reuters.  Too tired to keep posting links here that no one reads.

We read..it's just that your 'experts' are anything but..

You might want to read on GATT rules for a clue...

Example... Boris says on Nov 1st...in a 'no deal', we left scenario, that he can simply announce EU goods will "coninue to be tariff free and the EU would reciprocate")))

Boris will cave or be gone...

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1820 on: August 12, 2019, 09:47:33 PM »
I'm half Asian. Trench has never said anything bad to me. Gave me a compliments a few times. If Trench is racist, then I hope you'd all be racist to me.

Silly BillyB proves he didn't read what Trench posted....

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1821 on: August 13, 2019, 12:47:46 AM »
We read..it's just that your 'experts' are anything but..

You might want to read on GATT rules for a clue...

Example... Boris says on Nov 1st...in a 'no deal', we left scenario, that he can simply announce EU goods will "coninue to be tariff free and the EU would reciprocate")))

Boris will cave or be gone...

Best not post like Trench

Looks like we're first in line to do a trade deal with the US so no need to worry about trade deals with the EU ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

All looks like it's coming apart for you Remoaners Mobe.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1822 on: August 13, 2019, 02:22:21 AM »
Looks like we're first in line to do a trade deal with the US so no need to worry about trade deals with the EU ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49325620

All looks like it's coming apart for you Remoaners Mobe.


Muppet,

Answer these two questions..

1/ Do YOU understand GATT trade rules on trade deals?

2/ Do you understand how many times LESS trade we do with the US ..as opposed to the EU?  ..not withstanding the US is in Mega protectionist mode...and we do not want US style healthcare..

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #1823 on: August 13, 2019, 11:33:55 PM »
Good morning, Trench..

The first in many Block Boris' Bollox plans kicked in, yesterday...

An attempt to stop him suspending Parliament to run down the clock and stop debates...

BBC News - Brexit: Legal bid to stop Westminster shutdown goes to court
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49320773


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« Reply #1824 on: August 14, 2019, 03:12:34 AM »
Good morning, Trench..

The first in many Block Boris' Bollox plans kicked in, yesterday...

An attempt to stop him suspending Parliament to run down the clock and stop debates...

BBC News - Brexit: Legal bid to stop Westminster shutdown goes to court
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49320773

Yes but they crucially can't stop a suspension of Parliament through holding a General Election :D This is just to stop Boris suspending Parliament through closing one Parliamentary session and opening another, nothing can be done on the GE suspension of Parliament as it's the given constitutional default and entirely democratic.

So I'm not bothered if they win or fail. If the win it makes the odds of Boris going for a GE greater, if they fail it gives him another option to play with.

At some point we are almost certain to have a GE anyway in the next few Months as Boris can't go on without on e as he looks set to lose his majority.

He will also be down to 2.5 - 3 years left which is not much time to give post Brexit a good sounding, so better he renews his mandate then amble on with Theresa May's poor election outcome.

I for one will enjoy seeing many arch Remoaner MP lose their seats in the forthcoming GE. Bye, bye Yvette Cooper :cheesy:
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