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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2500 on: November 19, 2019, 05:03:46 AM »
Trench,

You have had so many knockout punches that I can only assume you are nailed to your perch and 'pining for the Fiords ' !..

You have been consistently wrong and will be, again.

Well just checked out who is standing in my constitutency on the constitutency tracker out today on the BBC website. There's a Brexit Party candidate standing so I'll be voting for him :D

There's no Lib Dum candidate as they have stood aside in favour of PC as it's in Wales. Looks like their agree is the one who polled more than the other in the last GE stands while the other stands aside. That said I noticed that the previous Lib candidate is standing as an independent so lessening the effect of the election pact, so much for that hey Mobers.

That said adding the two's previous share together would only come to around 15 percent of the vote in my constitutency so I don't think we'll be seeing any PC victory here. The Tory candidate came second last time but polled only half as much as Labour. I don't think Labour will get as many votes this time (though I could be wrong) but odds are they will still take the seat. Even if the Brexit Party stood aside I think the Tories would be hard pressed to take the seat here, though there might be an outside chance with Boris at the helm.

No UKIP candidate from what I can see, think there day is done and better off staying out of this one.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2501 on: November 19, 2019, 05:09:39 AM »
Trench, The Tory Party is the new UKIP / thebrexitparty.com   

Wales is now a REMAIN country ...  ;)



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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2502 on: November 19, 2019, 03:26:43 PM »
Trench, The Tory Party is the new UKIP / thebrexitparty.com   

Wales is now a REMAIN country ...  ;)

Well new poll out on the BBC poll tracker:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197

Tories up another point, now on 40 percent, Labour up a point as well and now on 29 percent.

But oh dear me, your Lib Dums are slipping further Mobe, down on 15 percent. Quite a slide from a few weeks ago when it was neck a neck with Labour on around 25 percent. It looks like it's already all over for them and voters are deserting then for Labour.

What about you Mobe, still voting dum? or are you caring a bit of Corbynitus ;D

Meanwhile the Brexit Party slips to seven percent, looks like voters continuing to move from there to the Tory Party to give Boris Johnson's deal a chance.

Looking like its going to be a Tory majority Mobe.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2503 on: November 19, 2019, 08:57:20 PM »
Arithmetic not your strong point Trench?

Brextremists 48 percent


Labour, Remain parties 52 ..




Sound familiar ?




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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2504 on: November 20, 2019, 02:56:11 AM »
Arithmetic not your strong point Trench?

Brextremists 48 percent


Labour, Remain parties 52 ..




Sound familiar ?

Seems that arithmetic is even less yours, Mobers.

Labour are on the fence so can't really be said to be one way or the other, so should be discounted from the Remain parties side.

More importantly even taking the figures as you have given them because your Remain parties are made up of several parties and the vote split more between them the first past the post system will mean the Tories will get more seats as a result giving them a majority.

I would start practicing readying that passport of yours if I were you Mobers ;D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2505 on: November 20, 2019, 05:13:36 AM »
Seems that arithmetic is even less yours, Mobers.

Labour are on the fence so can't really be said to be one way or the other, so should be discounted from the Remain parties side.

More importantly even taking the figures as you have given them because your Remain parties are made up of several parties and the vote split more between them the first past the post system will mean the Tories will get more seats as a result giving them a majority.

I would start practicing readying that passport of yours if I were you Mobers ;D

As always you post clueless

Labour seek a 2nd referendum on any deal

IF - as I suspect the Tories fail to get a working majority - they will NOT form the next govt ..

YOU should be getting ready to pretend you've got yet another prediction wrong - your track record is 2 x fails on 'leave' dates and 1 x fail on the legality of proroguing Parliament ..




 
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2506 on: November 20, 2019, 05:54:03 AM »
As always you post clueless

Labour seek a 2nd referendum on any deal

IF - as I suspect the Tories fail to get a working majority - they will NOT form the next govt ..

YOU should be getting ready to pretend you've got yet another prediction wrong - your track record is 2 x fails on 'leave' dates and 1 x fail on the legality of proroguing Parliament ..

Here is a:

Reality Check: That's not right - Mr Johnson's deal was supported by 285 Conservative MPs, 19 Labour MPs and 25 independents.

For you Mobe from the BBC website. There are still likely to be done Labour Leave rebel MP's in the new Parliament.

The Tories are currently polling 11 points ahead of Labour, that is huge. If they keep that lead to the Election day then they will highly likely get enough seats for a majority government. Game over for Remoaners like you then Mobe ;)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2507 on: November 20, 2019, 06:19:37 AM »
Muppet,

Boris 'deal' was allowed a second reading ...

As we BOTH know - it would have been 'edited' ( subject to amendments ) that would have rendered it rather different ..


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2508 on: November 20, 2019, 06:58:14 PM »
Muppet,

Boris 'deal' was allowed a second reading ...

As we BOTH know - it would have been 'edited' ( subject to amendments ) that would have rendered it rather different ..

Just three weeks to go now Mobers until you're put out of your misery ;D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2509 on: November 20, 2019, 10:55:49 PM »
Another example of Trench being corrected and pretending he hasn't noticed..


Indeed!, our election process is just over a month....certain  other nations take note...

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2510 on: November 20, 2019, 11:20:34 PM »
Another example of Trench being corrected and pretending he hasn't noticed..


Indeed!, our election process is just over a month....certain  other nations take note...

I know it's too long really, most people are fed up and bored with it long before election day.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2511 on: November 21, 2019, 05:55:40 PM »
Well the party Election manifestoes are out.

The Lib Dums have trashed their Electoral credibility in theirs by stating they will legalise recreational marijuana use. Thus wishing to spread the stench of weed down everyone's lungs whether they wish it or not. Not least to say about the mental health & cancer problems it causes. No doubt you'll be happy voting for this though Mobers?

The Labour manifesto meanwhile wishes to bring back council estate hell to this country and all the social and economic degredation that comes with it rewarding those that don't look to work and push out kids with free housing, the whole lot of which is paid for by the state, i.e taxpayer.

So where will you be casting your vote Mobers now that the election manifestoes are out? Hmmnn?
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2512 on: November 21, 2019, 06:01:13 PM »
I am voting Green in my Constituency as the Lib Dems stood down.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2513 on: November 22, 2019, 12:24:31 AM »
I am voting Green in my Constituency as the Lib Dems stood down.

Ah, a forced turncoating to the Greens hey Mobe, saves you voting or the pot smoking Lib Dums at least. Still can't think they will have much of a chance of taking the constitutency your in, unless you're in Brighton of course.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2514 on: November 22, 2019, 12:36:37 AM »
I have a SERIOUS dilemma.

NO WAY will I give the 'leave' supporting Tory lass my vote. She is among the prettier Candidates))

The sitting ( with a v.narrow Maj) Labour MP is a lovely chap, but a Europhobe, like JC.

The Green candidate is a MEP and v.smart.

This is really a Tory seat...the Labour chap is simply v.hard working...but STILL a secret Europhobe. 


If I vote Green...I risk letting in the Tory..If I vote Labour.. and Labour win a Maj. God help the UK, but can he do as much damage as leaving the UK?


He SAYS he will hold a second referendum..but I do not trust him to support remaining.

I wish I was in Cheltenham...at least I could vote Lib Dem and KNOW the Tory will be gone.


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2515 on: November 23, 2019, 03:00:17 PM »
I have a SERIOUS dilemma.

NO WAY will I give the 'leave' supporting Tory lass my vote. She is among the prettier Candidates))

The sitting ( with a v.narrow Maj) Labour MP is a lovely chap, but a Europhobe, like JC.

The Green candidate is a MEP and v.smart.

This is really a Tory seat...the Labour chap is simply v.hard working...but STILL a secret Europhobe. 


If I vote Green...I risk letting in the Tory..If I vote Labour.. and Labour win a Maj. God help the UK, but can he do as much damage as leaving the UK?


He SAYS he will hold a second referendum..but I do not trust him to support remaining.

I wish I was in Cheltenham...at least I could vote Lib Dem and KNOW the Tory will be gone.

Ah, so in with the gays now then Mobe ;D

Well no doubt better than being with the Liberal not so Democrats which didn't impress the audience last night.

Looking like Remainers are fighting an increasingly lost cause here to me :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2516 on: November 24, 2019, 12:48:26 AM »
Trench, Jo Swindon was honest ....her policy is to kick Brexit into touch...I understand you cannot see that the last referendum was 3.5 years ago ...

We have had  a new, more REMAIN leaning Parliament..

Your conclusions and predictions..When have your been correct? )
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2517 on: November 24, 2019, 03:39:12 AM »
Trench, Jo Swindon was honest ....her policy is to kick Brexit into touch...I understand you cannot see that the last referendum was 3.5 years ago ...

We have had  a new, more REMAIN leaning Parliament..

Your conclusions and predictions..When have your been correct? )

Mobe, we had to wait 2 years for the Article 50 process to be complete plus time on top to trigger Article 50. So that time was unavoidable. We shouldn't be asked again because of mandatory time we were made to wait.

The other 9 months on top was because of dispute over the proposed deal. It makes sense if the deal is not good enough as it was not just to sign it to save time and bother.

Swinson is being punished by the electorate for undemocratically saying she will ignore the democratic will of the people of the 2016 Referendum. She will hopefully be punished more in the coming polls for her dope pushing.

Right now her poll rating make her want to be PM laughable.

Now that humble pie is toasting away for you quite nicely Mobers ;)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2518 on: November 24, 2019, 06:16:21 AM »
You say the Lib Dems are being 'punished' yet they have 50 percent more MPs )

Try answering my Q re when you have got anything right re predictions..!
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2519 on: November 24, 2019, 01:11:59 PM »
You say the Lib Dems are being 'punished' yet they have 50 percent more MPs )

Try answering my Q re when you have got anything right re predictions..!

This one will be correct. Boris will get a majority and get his Brexit Bill passed by the 31st January. We're building a new Britain here Mobers!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50532000

The UK will be much stronger in the old when this is done including its citizens. We'll be able to make trade deals with other countries and keep immigration to the UK down. The pound will also be back up against other countries giving us good deals when abroad, especially in places such as Ukraine, etc.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2520 on: November 24, 2019, 01:26:59 PM »
Well, I certainly hope yet another prediction of your will be proven wrong as leaving the EU will make us much worse off and fail to improve a single thing.

Only really stupid and clueless 'nationists' believe as you do.

Brexit is a wet dream for those betting on the GBP crashing...only Muppets cannot see this.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2521 on: November 24, 2019, 04:28:08 PM »
Well, I certainly hope yet another prediction of your will be proven wrong as leaving the EU will make us much worse off and fail to improve a single thing.

Only really stupid and clueless 'nationists' believe as you do.

Brexit is a wet dream for those betting on the GBP crashing...only Muppets cannot see this.

Well Mobers just checked the bbc poll tracker and the Tories are up yet another point to 41 percent. This seems to be at the expense of the Brexit Party who are down one point to 6 percent. The rest are unchanged, however this may be on data before the election debates and manifesto releases took place so those may yet to be factored in.

Anyway, it looks like it's going the way I am saying it will ;)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2522 on: November 24, 2019, 10:15:20 PM »
Your Arithmetic is STILL your weak point Trench..

The clearly 'Breixt' parties are on the same 47 percent....

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2523 on: November 25, 2019, 12:20:53 AM »
Your Arithmetic is STILL your weak point Trench..

The clearly 'Breixt' parties are on the same 47 percent....

Yes but the first past the post system will likely mean the Tories getting more seats/representation than the present 41 percent, quite likely over 50 percent of the seats. It's looking unlikely that the Brexit Party will get any seats unless they can do a green party and get most of their votes in one or two constitutencies. They are still on double the Green Party at 6 percent to the Green Party's 3 percent.

So at this point every point the Tories go up mean the chance of them forming a majority government get greater. I would like to see them get just a few over the 326 needed as being too strong in number can be a problem also I think as it means that a government can get its way on too much of its policy, even bad policy which of course Brexit is not ;D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2524 on: November 26, 2019, 02:22:52 AM »
Yes but the first past the post system will likely mean the Tories getting more seats/representation than the present 41 percent, quite likely over 50 percent of the seats. It's looking unlikely that the Brexit Party will get any seats unless they can do a green party and get most of their votes in one or two constitutencies. They are still on double the Green Party at 6 percent to the Green Party's 3 percent.

So at this point every point the Tories go up mean the chance of them forming a majority government get greater. I would like to see them get just a few over the 326 needed as being too strong in number can be a problem also I think as it means that a government can get its way on too much of its policy, even bad policy which of course Brexit is not ;D

Trench,

The Tories will not win an overall majority and new voters are more likely to vote Green..

What you seek and what will happen - are - as usual not going to please you - or me ;)



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