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« Reply #2650 on: December 13, 2019, 04:13:09 AM »
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Must you ALWAYS be such an IDIOT ?

 I did not want Labour to win - any more than Boris

I wanted a hung Parliament and ..

NO Brexit

Back in 'yer box...!

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« Reply #2651 on: December 13, 2019, 05:46:52 AM »
Sterling hits a 19 month high as the remainers are  routed.

Keep an eye out for Moby's next predictions and forecasts..then  bet against them ; )))

The Oirish blagger is the most clueless muppet I've come across in my life ; ))
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Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #2652 on: December 13, 2019, 08:10:37 AM »
The next step will be claims of Russian interference in the UK elections.  Just wait for it.

It was fun to watch the twitter response last night, it reminded me of the meltdown when Trump was elected.
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« Reply #2653 on: December 13, 2019, 09:15:30 AM »
Just for Mobers..... he must be feeling peckish after that spanking last night. 😆😆
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« Reply #2654 on: December 13, 2019, 09:29:05 AM »
It worked out better for Boris in the Front End Loader than it did for Dukakis in the Tank.
Winston Churchill.  “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

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« Reply #2655 on: December 13, 2019, 09:50:07 AM »
So has that awful Soubry woman. Good riddance to that sour faced old bag.

This one?



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« Reply #2656 on: December 13, 2019, 10:25:11 AM »
This one?
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« Reply #2657 on: December 13, 2019, 10:31:26 AM »
 
You guys have been busy celebrating.   :)

Congratulations UK, and best wishes. 

More work to be done, yet the financial markets are expressing their approval. 

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« Reply #2658 on: December 13, 2019, 10:39:04 AM »
Yes! Congrats to the UK! I hope this decision will spur what many of you had hoped for your country.


It was actually interesting to read back to the first 2 pages of this thread. Lot's of *opinions* as to why Brexit can, or will, never happen. Reminded me of the US 2016 pre-election sentiment as to why Trump can, and never will, be elected as POTUS.


Congrats again! Make hay going forward!
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« Reply #2659 on: December 13, 2019, 10:53:24 AM »
I learned from the best, but don't worry I will never reach your excessive level of stupidity

Given the inability to acknowledge  your howlers......that IS funny..!

This is a super forum to observe irony passing over lots of heads

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« Reply #2660 on: December 13, 2019, 10:58:21 AM »
Yes! Congrats to the UK! I hope this decision will spur what many of you had hoped for your country.


It was actually interesting to read back to the first 2 pages of this thread. Lot's of *opinions* as to why Brexit can, or will, never happen. Reminded me of the US 2016 pre-election sentiment as to why Trump can, and never will, be elected as POTUS.


Congrats again! Make hay going forward!

Ifor going fed is begging nationso for trade deals and taking it up the ass. ..

The UK will be that country...

Only those WITH a clue can understand. .




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« Reply #2661 on: December 13, 2019, 11:16:23 AM »
Ifor going fed is begging nationso for trade deals and taking it up the ass. ..

The UK will be that country...

Only those WITH a clue can understand. .

Ah, and as history especially the most recent history has shown us, that isn't you.

It's damn near a wonder of the world why your head doesn't collapse being so full of misinformation. You sir, were 100% wrong. Have you checked the markets today?

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« Reply #2662 on: December 13, 2019, 11:59:16 PM »
Ah, and as history especially the most recent history has shown us, that isn't you.

It's damn near a wonder of the world why your head doesn't collapse being so full of misinformation. You sir, were 100% wrong. Have you checked the markets today?

'Misinformation' - as you seem to need to prove your stupidity - is believing boris taking us out of the EU is 'smart' ..

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« Reply #2663 on: December 14, 2019, 12:11:27 AM »
I did not want Labour to win - any more than Boris

I wanted a hung Parliament and ..

NO Brexit

Moby,
I realize that you aspiration didn't come to pass. Since of what happened
what is your realistic desire for things as it stands now?

NOTE: I am not poking you with a stick, I am honestly asking for your
realistic opinion on what:
1. What you would want the new majority to do (realistically)
2. On what you think will actually happen.

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« Reply #2664 on: December 14, 2019, 12:22:48 AM »
Moby,
I realize that you aspiration didn't come to pass. Since of what happened
what is your realistic desire for things as it stands now?

NOTE: I am not poking you with a stick, I am honestly asking for your
realistic opinion on what:
1. What you would want the new majority to do (realistically)
2. On what you think will actually happen.

I hope that Boris and those that want a hard 'brexit' will fall out and it will be as 'soft' as to make v.little difference

Boris will now has the Scots and N.Irish TOTALLY out of step with his aspirations and I suspect the veery Union is at stake (

Leaving the EU is simply bringing that day closer

I do NOT want corruption and violence to escalate in N.Ireland or Scotland .. but London ignores such opposing viewpoints at it's peril

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« Reply #2665 on: December 14, 2019, 12:33:55 AM »
I hope that Boris and those that want a hard 'brexit' will fall out and it will be as 'soft' as to make v.little difference

Boris will now has the Scots and N.Irish TOTALLY out of step with his aspirations and I suspect the veery Union is at stake (

Leaving the EU is simply bringing that day closer

I do NOT want corruption and violence to escalate in N.Ireland or Scotland .. but London ignores such opposing viewpoints at it's peril

Thank you for replying, I know that you are busy these days

What do you think will happen?
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« Reply #2666 on: December 14, 2019, 03:32:29 AM »
Well Boris has now confirmed he is opposed to a second referendum on Scottish Independence :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50789771

Just as well too, the last Scottish Independence Referendum was only in 2014 so not that long ago and Boris has other matters to sort.

It's good that he is not immediately going to hold a Scottish Independence Referendum. The SNP wants one as they know time is running out. We will leave the EU officially now on the 31st January and then be in a transition period for a year or whatever. After each of these the SNP fortunes begin to wane. Their more moderate voters will see that leaving the UK will mean then a dilemma of whether to apply to join the EU or not, and many will not want the trouble. Their supporters will be hopelessly split between the different courses of action. In joining the EU all new members joining have to accept the Euro so no option for Scotland to keep the Pound then.

So there would then be two currencies in use between Scotland & England. Scots were not thrilled by the prospect of possibly ending up with the Euro at the last Independence Referendum but then it was uncertain if this would have been the case.

Scots would also likely have customs issues at the English border if they left the UK. More of an ordeal for them than it is worth. If they join the EU after an Independence vote then they would be stuck out almost like a far out island of the EU with an independent England stuck between the Scotland and the rest of Europe.

The long and short of it is that while the SNP are emphatic over their current General Election successes the writing is already on the wall for them. They are highly likely to do very badly at future Scottish Parliament & General Elections after a successful UK withdrawal from the EU. Only if the UK dies very badly after leaving the EU might they do well and the odds of the UK doing very badly  now we have a deal/future trade deal with the EU is slim. Essentially very little will differ if consequence with EU trade but we will be able to strike trade deals with the US, a huge market with a lot of potential.

It's very likely that despite Labours poor situation at the moment they will recover after Brexit and be reunited. Labour are very likely to retake a lot of their old Labour seats they list to the SNP in Scotland after Brexit as Scottish voters begin to see the hopelessness of the SNP cause and the sense in coming together on social concerns under one party as before.

Once we leave the EU the Remain argument the SNP relied upon will also disappear as it becomes a largely redundant issue. For Boris the focus with Scotland etc should be on making the Union work better by being more inclusive of the various nations of the UK, ie Scottish, Welsh or Irish historical figures of note on UK bank notes, acknowledgement of English, Scottish, Welsh or NI status on the UK passport/English, Scottish, Welsh, NI own version of the UK Passport, etc.

The Union can work well with all parts working together rather than being hostile to each other as under the SNP. The victory of Brexit and leaving the EU will likely bring Scotland closer to the Union not further apart.

The next Scottish Parliament election is due to be held on 6 May 2021 - should prove interesting ;)
« Last Edit: December 14, 2019, 03:41:42 AM by Trenchcoat »
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« Reply #2667 on: December 14, 2019, 06:32:46 AM »
'Misinformation' - as you seem to need to prove your stupidity - is believing boris taking us out of the EU is 'smart' ..

I don't have a dog in that hunt and do not give one shit whether you believe leaving is smart or insane. You were wrong, weren't you? You're wrong with most of your predictions. Even a broken clock is right 2 times a day but you're not. The Limeys have voted and the results are in, accept it. Or do you not accept democracy anymore? Just the news of the victory has strengthened the pound in the markets. Opps! that wasn't your prediction either was it? I see your ilk protesting the results in London. I suppose you'll be donning the black mask and leading NI antifa brigade?

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« Reply #2668 on: December 14, 2019, 08:10:46 AM »
Another interesting point regarding Scottish Independence is that the SNP only got 45 percent of the popular vote in Scotland in this General Election. That's based on matters as well as Independence, mainly Brexit. That's also though well short of the 50 percent the SNP would need to become independent in a Scottish Independence Referendum. Brexit would most likely have helped them raise the popular vote slightly as most of Scotland generally voted Remain. So the SNP could be said not particularly have gained a mandate at this time to be granted a second Scottish Independence Referendum.
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« Reply #2669 on: December 14, 2019, 08:26:11 AM »
I noticed that most of the Scottish campaigning was done on Remain, not on a referendum.  I thought Sturgeon was disingenuous to state, after the election, that the people were really voting for the referendum, not to remain.   Her prospects do not look particularly good as there is no immediate vehicle, going forward, to attach dis-union to*.

I think, for the next couple of weeks, people will need to get their bearings and accept that Brexit is happening before some huge campaign for independence begins.   Many of the people pointing (like one member here on this forum) how tragic the vote was because it will mean the breakup of the UK.   But, for the immediate future, it isn't happening and things need to settle in to the new reality.  The sky is not falling.   (Unless you're talking about that recent James Bond film in Scotland.)

* Wonder if the Scots could hold an 'Advisory Referendum'?   You know.   Non-binding.   Now there's an idea!
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« Reply #2670 on: December 14, 2019, 10:41:08 AM »
The Lefties in the UK that don't like it when they lose
(just like the lefties in the USA). In the photo below the
silly protesters are crying that democracy is dying
because the minority didn't win, in an election supposedly
to free themselves of unelected officials in the EU and of
laws imposed on them by those same unelected officials.

Could they be more ironic?



'Not my prime minister', protesters march in London against Johnson
http://news.trust.org/item/20191213183240-g4w1z


London protesters against UK's Boris Johnson clash with police


Only after winning do the cross dressing photos come out.  ;D
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« Reply #2671 on: December 15, 2019, 10:01:04 AM »
Beel

Why must you prove you are cluelesstill about the election

1/The Tories 'won' with 45 percent of the vote  ..why I hate the first past the post system in GB  N. Ireland is the only part of the UK with proportional representation

2/ Many staunch left leaning seats went to the Tories in the Midlands and North

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« Reply #2672 on: December 15, 2019, 10:49:25 AM »

Many of the people pointing (like one member here on this forum) how tragic the vote was because it will mean the breakup of the UK.   


You would think after a 250-yr string of breakups (the sun never sets....), Brits would understand and accept.     

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« Reply #2673 on: December 15, 2019, 11:56:15 AM »
The loss of quite a few Labour heartland seats in the North does demonstrate that Brexit really was an issue that cuts across the old political spectrum. Those few MP's in the Labour Party that were in favour of Leave tended to be on the far left of the party. Those MP's in favour of Remain in the Tory Party tended to be on the far left of the Tory Party while the Tory Leavers tended to be in the right.

The fact that Labour heartland seats fell shows us that there were many people up North who were still voting Labour but wanted to Leave the EU at the 2017 General Election. This time around they either stayed at home or those that could bring themselves to do so at least this once vote Tory. This shows that not all Labour voters had previously jumped ship to vote for UKIP in the previous General Elections. That the Labour Party underestimated the strength of Labour Leave voters and sifted too much towards a Remain stance in backing a second referendum. I blame Labour Remain MP's for doing that in keep pushing JC towards that and telling him he was wrong. It appears they lost worse than they would have done this time by doing that. On the up side at least that mistake helps ensure a now straight path to Brexit :)

Labour though now has a real problem on its hands. Basically it is lacking a candidate with much real potential and who hasn't tarred themselves with the Remain brush. In that respects it's looking like they could already be looking at another General Election defeat in 5 years time. Unless leaving the EU did just so happen to prove very bad which I don't think there is much likleyhood off then those Labour Leave areas those Labour Leave voters are likely to stay home again. It may depend on the stance the next Labour leader takes on the EU but if it's anything towards a customs union or rejoining the EU it's another likely defeat for Labour. Similarly if Labour voters don't feel they can trust a Labour leader because they were ardently Remain then that could have similar effect.

At the meeting moment I can't see that any of the candidates have the background nor ability to do well. JC might want to hold on after all, lol.
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« Reply #2674 on: December 15, 2019, 12:29:04 PM »
..why I hate the first past the post system in GB  N. Ireland is the only part of the UK with proportional representation

You have forgotten that during May 2011 there was a voting referendum!

It concerned whether or not to replace the current 'first-past-the-post' system with the 'alternative vote' (AV) method. The proposal was rejected by 68% of voters on a national turnout of 42%.

Do you also reject the outcome of this referendum? Stop whinging about other people's majority decision!

 

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