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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2975 on: February 13, 2020, 11:36:38 PM »
Pound is soaring up to 1.20 against the Euro at the mo and pushing upwards ;)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2976 on: February 14, 2020, 12:33:24 AM »
 Get back to us when it is 1.34 to the Euro and 1.60 to the USD...


2016 levels.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2977 on: February 14, 2020, 01:30:51 AM »
Her back to us when it is 1.34 to the Euro and 1.60 to the USD...


2016 levels.

Once we exit the transition period it will be there, better even :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2978 on: February 14, 2020, 02:17:52 AM »
Once we exit the transition period it will be there, better even :)

'Sure' we will..

Minus major employers who will be announcing they are off.


BoJo is already 'running' the nation into the ground...

1/ Chancellor forced to resign...because he and his team will question spending money we do not have


2/ The best, most respected N.Ireland Sec replaced...the guy who got both sides talking... because he KNOWS BoJo's deal is unworkable and said so


3/ Clumate Summit expert replaced with a guy who is a denier..


At least when this all goes PEAR SHAPED...and it will...BoJo can fire Cummings...
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2979 on: February 15, 2020, 01:57:11 PM »
'Sure' we will..

Minus major employers who will be announcing they are off.


BoJo is already 'running' the nation into the ground...

1/ Chancellor forced to resign...because he and his team will question spending money we do not have


2/ The best, most respected N.Ireland Sec replaced...the guy who got both sides talking... because he KNOWS BoJo's deal is unworkable and said so


3/ Clumate Summit expert replaced with a guy who is a denier..


At least when this all goes PEAR SHAPED...and it will...BoJo can fire Cummings...

Appears other member states are looking to see how we will do and will jump to if there is evidence of a better life outside the EU:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1242391/Brexit-news-EU-collapse-UK-trade-success-Angela-Merkel-Germany-warning-latest-news

And that evidence is already coming in!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1241752/euro-to-pound-exchange-rate-dollar-GBP-Sterling-brexit-coronavirus

What did I tell you Mobers! :D
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2980 on: February 15, 2020, 02:48:49 PM »
Appears other member states are looking to see how we will do and will jump to if there is evidence of a better life outside the EU:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1242391/Brexit-news-EU-collapse-UK-trade-success-Angela-Merkel-Germany-warning-latest-news

And that evidence is already coming in!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1241752/euro-to-pound-exchange-rate-dollar-GBP-Sterling-brexit-coronavirus

What did I tell you Mobers! :D

I told YOU to stop reading the Express if you wanted to read real news .. not what Domiinc Commings and co. want the brain dead to read..

Is the UK   the Euro  project ? 


'Thank you'





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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2981 on: February 16, 2020, 06:01:56 PM »
I told YOU to stop reading the Express if you wanted to read real news .. not what Domiinc Commings and co. want the brain dead to read..

Is the UK   the Euro  project ? 


'Thank you'

Looks to me like Germany is worried, they look like they might lose out on the top spot of strongest European economy to the UK. Germany has been weighed down by dealing with the problems in Greece and still continues to do so. That and now it will have to help carry most of the rest of the EU an even bigger burden. Meanwhile the UK look set to soon become burden free of the EU, not weighed down anymore by hefty membership fees. If import taxes are levelled under WTO or similar terms then that could hit the German car industry hard. We meanwhile are not so reliant on the EU economies that we can adapt more readily. This will become even more so after we leave the transition period and will mean we will be better placed by not tying ourselves to one market that if it tanks then ours would too.

Fancy the UK beating Germany to strongest European economy Mobers? :)
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2982 on: February 17, 2020, 02:52:12 AM »
Trench,

You are as clueless about economic inter relationships as you are the ladies.

IF Germany pulls in her horns and has to make savings....where DO you think will be her first stop, especially if the UK's stance in negotiations means an end to just in time stock movements, complex import taxes and re export taxes.....?


The Muppet in you is strong


Best you worry about the UK economy and well as any downturn in Germany's

There'll be lots of redundancies in Swindon, Bridgend and the City of London.

Where will those tax £ come from?...an increase in retail expenditure....?


Don't expect any relief from insecurity to last....


Realisation that no deal has been done WILL focus attention on the UK...and it's precarious position, alone.




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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2983 on: February 19, 2020, 12:03:09 PM »
The UK Govt appeased the NUMPTIES, today ...

Visas for those who have well paid [ +20 points]  job offers [ +20 points] , in certain fields ( but not agricultural ones !) [ +20 points]  speak English,[ +10 points]  will achieve the magic 70 points barrier



BUT


If you are in the seasonal agriculture, hospitality, elderly care, construction or health-care sectors and need labourers - FORGET it ..


The  govt lied about the numbers of 16-164 year old who are economically inactive .... NOT a good start


Who drives wealth .. the entrepreneurs and businesses or lazy voters  - like  Trench ?


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2984 on: February 19, 2020, 12:25:55 PM »
That sounds like the Canadian model.  However, agricultural workers, carers, etc., who wouldn't qualify under the points system can get temporary foreign worker visas.  This is also a path to citizenship, just longer.


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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2985 on: February 19, 2020, 03:40:19 PM »
The UK Govt appeased the NUMPTIES, today ...

Visas for those who have well paid [ +20 points]  job offers [ +20 points] , in certain fields ( but not agricultural ones !) [ +20 points]  speak English,[ +10 points]  will achieve the magic 70 points barrier



BUT


If you are in the seasonal agriculture, hospitality, elderly care, construction or health-care sectors and need labourers - FORGET it ..


The  govt lied about the numbers of 16-164 year old who are economically inactive .... NOT a good start


Who drives wealth .. the entrepreneurs and businesses or lazy voters  - like  Trench ?

For the health sector they also only need less salary to qualify around £22.5k rather than the £26.5k.

It makes good economic sense for employers to get people of the dole to do the unskilled jobs rather than constantly import East Europeans because UK employers are too lazy to bother with the minimal training needed when they can get them already oven baked without any bother from Eastern Europe.

When you consider how much this move is likely to reduce the social security bill to the government/taxpayer it makes good sense.

My only reservation with today's announcement is:

1). It may allow too many skilled workers into the country.

2). The 6 month visa free for tourists may let in people into the country who then won't leave and drop anchor babies, etc. I am hoping that when it gets to it more thought, changes and restrictions to the more risky countries will be made.
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2986 on: February 19, 2020, 03:57:13 PM »
For the health sector they also only need less salary to qualify around £22.5k rather than the £26.5k.

THAT will not help care homes ... This is legislation dreamt up of the Trench electorate ..a recipe for DISASTER


It makes good economic sense for employers to get people of the dole to do the unskilled jobs rather than constantly import East Europeans because UK employers are too lazy to bother with the minimal training needed when they can get them already oven baked without any bother from Eastern Europe.


Shows how much Trench knows .. Trench personifies the lazy UK worker .. workers from other EU countries get the jobs because :

They work harder

They are smarter


When you consider how much this move is likely to reduce the social security bill to the government/taxpayer it makes good sense.

Oh, please tell us how you worked this one out ?     :popcorn:  Industry suffers, tax receipts go DOWN ....  I KEEP reminding you .. EU workers pay £2600 more in annual taxes than UK workers


My only reservation with today's announcement is:

1). It may allow too many skilled workers into the country.

No cap - that's about the only smart thing in this new regime ... Wages might fall in high paid jobs


2). The 6 month visa free for tourists may let in people into the country who then won't leave and drop anchor babies, etc. I am hoping that when it gets to it more thought, changes and restrictions to the more risky countries will be made.


?? Please explain
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2987 on: February 19, 2020, 04:03:07 PM »
THAT will not help care homes ... This is legislation dreamt up of the Trench electorate ..a recipe for DISASTER



Shows how much Trench knows .. Trench personifies the lazy UK worker .. workers from other EU countries get the jobs because :

They work harder

They are smarter


Oh, please tell us how you worked this one out ?     :popcorn:  Industry suffers, tax receipts go DOWN ....  I KEEP reminding you .. EU workers pay £2600 more in annual taxes than UK workers


No cap - that's about the only smart thing in this new regime ... Wages might fall in high paid jobs



?? Please explain

Your not liking it, I can tell that Mobe but it's going to be the reality that you'll have to get used to. I think you'll find it works out better than you think. Hopefully they will introduce a cap, I think that will soon prove necessary once these reforms are brought in, that and more work done on the visa free idea.

Overall though great to be losing freedom of movement :D
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2988 on: February 19, 2020, 04:14:09 PM »
Your not liking it, I can tell that Mobe but it's going to be the reality that you'll have to get used to.

Ironically, for my Russian colleagues - the new regime is better - no caps ...  You should be VERY afraid ;) 

I think you'll find it works out better than you think.

As you do not employ people - you've not got a scooby do...   it's a f'n disaster waiting to happen  - a sop to the Daily Mail reader and yet ANOTHER reason to look at other places to locate a biz


Hopefully they will introduce a cap, I think that will soon prove necessary once these reforms are brought in, that and more work done on the visa free idea.

You're 'right' - a lot of smart people are on their way, next year ... I can assure you of that ;)


Overall though great to be losing freedom of movement :D

You can't afford to import a wife from outside the EU  - so you'll be crying, soon
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2989 on: February 19, 2020, 04:24:36 PM »
Ironically, for my Russian colleagues - the new regime is better - no caps ...  You should be VERY afraid ;) 

As you do not employ people - you've not got a scooby do...   it's a f'n disaster waiting to happen  - a sop to the Daily Mail reader and yet ANOTHER reason to look at other places to locate a biz


You're 'right' - a lot of smart people are on their way, next year ... I can assure you of that ;)


You can't afford to import a wife from outside the EU  - so you'll be crying, soon

I assure you I can afford to import a wife Moby and by the humane route also ;)

Soon a cap will be introduced once the uni crowd realise they are being screwed over, there will be outcry and changes will be made. I think they may already intend to change this nearer the time but they need to keep business onside till we leave the EU and this was the way off doing it.
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2990 on: February 19, 2020, 11:13:41 PM »
I assure you I can afford to import a wife Moby and by the humane route also

I assure you - you can't - based on what YOU tell us and the law .. are you lying to us ..?

Soon a cap will be introduced once the uni crowd realise they are being screwed over, there will be outcry and changes will be made. I think they may already intend to change this nearer the time but they need to keep business onside till we leave the EU and this was the way off doing it.

There will not be caps until shortages in many occupations are filled  :popcorn:

You are one of the clueless voters this govt is claiming to appease ... the govt keep proving they aren't interested in what those who employ people say ..

"“Several aspects of the new system will be welcomed by business, particularly abolishing the cap on skilled visas, introducing a new post-study work visa for overseas students, and reducing the minimum salary threshold from £30,000.

“Nonetheless, in some sectors firms will be left wondering how they will recruit the people needed to run their businesses. With already low unemployment, firms in care,  construction, hospitality, food and drink could be most affected.

“Firms know that hiring from overseas and investing in the skills of their workforce and new technologies is not an ‘either-or’ choice – both are needed to drive the economy forward.

“So careful implementation across all UK nations and regions will be required. A regularly reviewed shortage occupations list, with promises of further flexibility, will be vital for the effectiveness of the new system. Above all, the government must work with employers and employees – especially smaller firms – to ensure they have the time to adapt to new policies and practices.”

Apart from the drop from the planned £30 k min salary - it appears the govt is NOT listening to biz





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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2991 on: April 17, 2020, 01:58:29 AM »
Oh the irony ..

At a time when jobs are a premium .. the UK Fruit growers desperately needed workers .. 

I DID say that UK workers are generally lazy ..  that 'we' needed E.Europeans  ...    Trench told us they took jobs from the British ))))

Kenneth Clarke ( Tory MP retired ) has it bang on ..

Almost 3 million unemployed and we can't get any of them to pick fruit & veg? Where are all these hard working people who voted for Brexit? Sat at home shaking their heads saying "bloody foreigners coming over here to put food on our plates" probably.


The farmers chartered flights to being in workers from Romania

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364

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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2992 on: April 17, 2020, 11:32:21 AM »
Oh the irony ..

At a time when jobs are a premium .. the UK Fruit growers desperately needed workers .. 

I DID say that UK workers are generally lazy ..  that 'we' needed E.Europeans  ...    Trench told us they took jobs from the British ))))

Kenneth Clarke ( Tory MP retired ) has it bang on ..

Almost 3 million unemployed and we can't get any of them to pick fruit & veg? Where are all these hard working people who voted for Brexit? Sat at home shaking their heads saying "bloody foreigners coming over here to put food on our plates" probably.


The farmers chartered flights to being in workers from Romania

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364

It takes time for people's mindset to change Mobe. We always used to do fruit picking ourselves only about a decade or so ago before East Europeans were allowed to come here to do so. UK farmers should also try and modernise and get machinery in to the job efficiently where possible this isn't the dark ages anymore.

Essentially, it takes a while for someone being on the dole to come to the point of accepting what there is readily available but perhaps for some not enticing. Some people are status obessed and there is a big come down for them. A person having done a semi professional career as a consultant this or that in some marketing or other nonsense Micky mouse career normally takes a while to accept that is gone and likely won't be coming back anytime soon. A lot of Millennials are this way minded as it has come to be an expectation of theirs. Given time though and the right motivation though they can come around. The right motivation usually comes in the form of it being better to just doing whatever you need to get the money in rather than be a poor person. One rung up from the bottom of the ladder is always better than the bottom of the ladder.

Myself if it came to it I would rather do fruit picking than work in a supermarket. Much easier to keep two or more meters apart, far less people and so far less riskier.
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2993 on: April 17, 2020, 10:58:48 PM »
This wins a prize for BS excuses..

It takes time for people's mindset to change Mobe. We always used to do fruit picking ourselves only about a decade or so ago before East Europeans were allowed to come here to do so. UK farmers should also try and modernise and get machinery in to the job efficiently where possible this isn't the dark ages anymore.

Trench, I realise you're an expert in nothing, so entertain us and explain why fruit picking is still labour intensive ? .....


Essentially, it takes a while for someone being on the dole to come to the point of accepting what there is readily available but perhaps for some not enticing. Some people are status obessed and there is a big come down for them. A person having done a semi professional career as a consultant this or that in some marketing or other nonsense Micky mouse career normally takes a while to accept that is gone and likely won't be coming back anytime soon. A lot of Millennials are this way minded as it has come to be an expectation of theirs. Given time though and the right motivation though they can come around. The right motivation usually comes in the form of it being better to just doing whatever you need to get the money in rather than be a poor person. One rung up from the bottom of the ladder is always better than the bottom of the ladder.

Er, most of that 3 million just went ON to the dole... did they forget work ethic, already ?


Myself if it came to it I would rather do fruit picking than work in a supermarket. Much easier to keep two or more meters apart, far less people and so far less riskier.

So NO valid riposte ..

Conclusion: If this had happened next year... we'd have food shortages and rotting fruit .. [ no visas to work for manual labour ] ALL because of 'Brexit' and Brits with a 'mindset' like you ..
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2994 on: April 21, 2020, 02:04:19 AM »
Er, most of that 3 million just went ON to the dole... did they forget work ethic, already ?

Mobe, professional people like to be seen as professional. Employers very much like professional people to be seen as professional. Working in a non professional job is not seen as professional. Employers that are employing professionals don't want to see non professional jobs on a CV. If there is a gap that will need explaining and it's still preferable to be off work, doing some professional related training or development work than to put down a non professional job. Some know that if they take on such non professional work and put it on a CV then they can kiss goodbye to finding professional jobs in the future and being seen in the professional light. A student may get away with a non professional job on their CV while chasing their first professional job but a personal that has been a professional will very likely not. While it shouldn't matter I can see that it doesn't look good on a CV as it looks like the person wasn't good enough to find a professional role plus it's not seen as relevant to professional roles and detracts as such.
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Re: Brexit bad
« Reply #2995 on: April 21, 2020, 02:17:15 AM »
Mobe, professional people like to be seen as professional. Employers very much like professional people to be seen as professional. Working in a non professional job is not seen as professional. Employers that are employing professionals don't want to see non professional jobs on a CV. If there is a gap that will need explaining and it's still preferable to be off work, doing some professional related training or development work than to put down a non professional job. Some know that if they take on such non professional work and put it on a CV then they can kiss goodbye to finding professional jobs in the future and being seen in the professional light. A student may get away with a non professional job on their CV while chasing their first professional job but a personal that has been a professional will very likely not. While it shouldn't matter I can see that it doesn't look good on a CV as it looks like the person wasn't good enough to find a professional role plus it's not seen as relevant to professional roles and detracts as such.

Interesting to read salary man tell someone who runs biz what an employers look for )))
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« Reply #2996 on: April 21, 2020, 06:47:12 AM »
As always Moby the Oirish blagger gets it hopelessly wrong.

The reality is over 33,000 people in the UK,90 % of whom were Brits, applied for fruit-picking work,but only 125 were successful in obtaining work.

Of course if the Oirish blagger had read down the article far enough he'd have seen that...although his reading comprehension skills are known to be lacking somewhat.

The reason for the low success rate is because farms insist their fruit-pickers live in caravans on site at £50  per week each..four people staying in one caravan..so each caravan earns the farmer £200 a week for four to five months.

I thought i'd better spell  that out..because we all know moby is dodgy with his Arithmetic.

Local Brits don't wish to leave their homes and families and live in a caravan with three other people for four to five months unsurprisingly and told the farmers this..so didn't get the jobs.

The farmers prefer to employ foreigners and make money from the caravans  at £200  a week each caravan ,rather than employ the local workforce who can drive or even walk from their homes.

This is the reality lefty divvy Moby doesn't talk about...nothing to do with so-called lazy Brits,it's about exploitation from farmers.

Who would have thought moby would be busted yet again ?...ho hum.

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2997 on: April 29, 2020, 04:51:47 PM »
Indeed CB, it's those extortionate practices that the EU has caused to proliferate. CB' explanation is a true and unpleasant description of what goes on. Here is another from Italy:

 http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/features/eastern-european-care-workers-italy-thrust-uncertainty-200424120138957.html

Turns out Ukrainians under the tourist visa free regime HAVE been using that scheme as an entry way into EU member states to work illegally. A level playing field my arse, the EU deliberately let in Ukrainians they know will end up working illegally in member states in exploitative, unsafe situations whilst undercutting local and putting them out of work causing misery and poverty all around. That is why we voted out of the EU Mobers to get away from that irresponsible, illegal, damaging nature of the EU.

Some of these people are now illegally stuck in the EU jobless and homeless, unable to return or claim benefit. The stupid woman in the article having been lucky to get out hasn't got the sense up top to learn her lesson and wishes to go back and illegally work again, breaking the law again, without any respect to countries national boundaries or immigration law, shame on her.
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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2998 on: April 29, 2020, 11:50:53 PM »
Indeed CB, it's those extortionate practices that the EU has caused to proliferate. CB' explanation is a true and unpleasant description of what goes on. Here is another from Italy:

 http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/features/eastern-european-care-workers-italy-thrust-uncertainty-200424120138957.html

Turns out Ukrainians under the tourist visa free regime HAVE been using that scheme as an entry way into EU member states to work illegally. A level playing field my arse, the EU deliberately let in Ukrainians they know will end up working illegally in member states in exploitative, unsafe situations whilst undercutting local and putting them out of work causing misery and poverty all around. That is why we voted out of the EU Mobers to get away from that irresponsible, illegal, damaging nature of the EU.

Some of these people are now illegally stuck in the EU jobless and homeless, unable to return or claim benefit. The stupid woman in the article having been lucky to get out hasn't got the sense up top to learn her lesson and wishes to go back and illegally work again, breaking the law again, without any respect to countries national boundaries or immigration law, shame on her.

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1/ I chose not to have the pleasure of reading CB's posts

2/ You still haven't learned how to post links from mobile sites ... Some of us use desktops and do not want striped down pages 

hink: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/eastern-european-care-workers-italy-thrust-uncertainty-200424120138957.html ( see the difference ?)

Read and learn why AMP is bad for real news

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/open_source_insider_google_amp_bad_bad_bad/

3/ I do not support the use of or doing illegal work on a non-legal ( tourism only ) permit  ...  If employers are daft enough to risk fines and 'employees'  getting their arses kicked out .. that is their concern ...   The UK has plenty of cases of such visa abuse from non EU nations and leaving the EU will simply bring about the same issues re EU citizens ...

You are the prime example of a whinging, lazy  Brit - earning a poxy  existence - you claim your choice - while bemoaning others for ' taking the food from your mouth' ...

We'll be back, EU ..and as a certain 'gentleman' couldn't accept my offer to 'bury the hatchet' .. Don't trust a clueless Californian 'business owner' who cannot even quote me, honestly ..

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Re: Brexit good, bad or indifferent?
« Reply #2999 on: April 30, 2020, 12:50:59 AM »
Funny.. when it comes to drug use, the dealers are blamed.  When it comes to illegal or immigrant workers, the workers are blamed.

Are the farmers mentioned above hiring all these immigrants Brits?

Why is that?  Are the Brits not willing to pay more for their fruits and veggies?

In Italy, the predominately eastern European women taking care of the many elderly in their own homes are providing a lower cost (but usually not exploitive or unsafe) service that in many cases would fall on the government.

So yes, there is a trade-off and also economic risk for workers that are not 'on the books'.  Those that are on the books and cannot work get unemployment checks during the crisis.

Remember the visa-free regime is reciprocal.  As of 30 January 2021 that reciprocity is gone and you'll likely have to get a visa for UA visits unless you also let them in visa-free for 90 days ;)

You might end up with folks from the EU working in the UK illegally instead of legally and even that might be considered 'tolerable' if folks there don't want to pick fruit and veggies.


 

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