Kid or no kid

[wallm]

Does Sole Custody mean the father has no visitation rights?
I am communicating with a few women. One of them is widowed with a 2 year old. Another one has 18 year old and divorced. Another one has a 4 year old and divorced.
There are some women in the 30s and 40s who have no children and most of them want a child.
I will talk to these two divorced women with kids who may be trouble.
Damn, they are spectacularly beautiful. I have to think with my brain and not with my d**k.
Yes, I know these women will not look like their professional photos but close is good enough. 
Seriously though,  I am not looking at looks alone. Compatibility and chemistry are critical. I will be getting my ass over there in September to find out.

[Hammer2722]

Does Sole Custody mean the father has no visitation rights?
I am communicating with a few women. One of them is widowed with a 2 year old. Another one has 18 year old and divorced. Another one has a 4 year old and divorced.
There are some women in the 30s and 40s who have no children and most of them want a child.
I will talk to these two divorced women with kids who may be trouble.
Damn, they are spectacularly beautiful. I have to think with my brain and not with my d**k.
Yes, I know these women will not look like their professional photos but close is good enough. 
Seriously though,  I am not looking at looks alone. Compatibility and chemistry are critical. I will be getting my ass over there in September to find out.

What dating site are you using? Hopefully not a pay-per-letter/pay-per-chat?

[jone]

Oh, man, you better read the forum before going down the road too far.    While I cannot comment on your 'widowed' woman, that is one of the top methods used to snare guys for a scam.  A widowed woman has needs and no means.  She is in the perfect position to 'ask for help'.

[BillyB]

Does Sole Custody mean the father has no visitation rights?

Sole custody is giving all the decision making to one parent but the father may be allowed to visit. Every case can be different. You have to ask the woman who's telling you that what she thinks it means. Does she mean the kid is in her possession 100% of the time but the father is involved in their life or does it go further than that by meaning the father is out of the kid's life and lost all his legal rights. The bottom line is you need to ask the ladies if they someday move to another country, can the father of their child prevent the child from moving. If they say "no", you have to decide whether or not to trust the answer. If they say "yes", they'll probably be explaining they have a reasonable or difficult ex to deal with.

[jone]

I am thinking that many of these women have no idea how to get their child out of the country.  Unless I hear a well thought out answer that demonstrates knowledge of the system, I was very, very cautious.  And one more thing.  These women have lived in a country whereby everything can be bought.  Including false documents.  I have heard many stories of women getting their children out of the country by lying.  To me, it would mean that the entire relationship was built on a lie.  No can do.

[JayH]

I am thinking that many of these women have no idea how to get their child out of the country.  Unless I hear a well thought out answer that demonstrates knowledge of the system, I was very, very cautious.  And one more thing.  These women have lived in a country whereby everything can be bought.  Including false documents.  I have heard many stories of women getting their children out of the country by lying.  To me, it would mean that the entire relationship was built on a lie.  No can do.

I thought I made this exact point above-- but it needs repeating-
that many of these women have no idea how to get their child out of the country""

and this-
Unless I hear a well thought out answer that demonstrates knowledge of the system"

What many believe is the 'sole custody""POINT BEING ALL THAT IS REQUIRED-THAT IS NOT THE CASE WHEN IT COMES TO LEAVING THE COUNTRY-that is another matter altogether.I have heard this issue answered both ways by people I would expect to know! So-until I can see proof-I would look at a worst case scenario on this-mainly because all the anecdotal evidence I have heard is in the negative.

Stories abound about what has taken place in the past in the system-but I would not place too much faith in doing some things of the past now. Regardless of what some say-it really is a new Ukraine unfolding now.

[wallm]

What dating site are you using? Hopefully not a pay-per-letter/pay-per-chat?

I am using fdating, luckylovers.net, ukrainedate.com so far.

[Boethius]

I don't know about elsewhere, but in Ukraine, it does not matter whether or not the father has any form of custody.  It does not matter even whether or not the parents were married.  He can object at any point before a child is removed, and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way.

[southernX]

Oh, man, you better read the forum before going down the road too far.    While I cannot comment on your 'widowed' woman, that is one of the top methods used to snare guys for a scam.  A widowed woman has needs and no means.  She is in the perfect position to 'ask for help'.

Again while this has proved true for some blokes

My wife was widowed at an early age     there are always exceptions & again it comes back to you setting your requirements that are acceptable to you , then making due discovery as best you can from each contact , & a dash of gut instinct thrown in 

SX

[Anotherkiwi]

While I cannot comment on your 'widowed' woman, that is one of the top methods used to snare guys for a scam.  A widowed woman has needs and no means.  She is in the perfect position to 'ask for help'.

My wife was widowed at an early age 

Leaving aside war widows, I still remember a beautiful young woman who worked with me in the first proper job I had.  I was absolutely horrified to find out that she was a widow at the age of 24, her husband having died of complications from diabetes.

[Trenchcoat]

I am about to begin my journey on finding a wife. I am 51, divorced with an 18 year old son. I am debating what to do about women with kids. The primary concern I have is language. I would think a kid with limited English skills will have difficulty assimilating into the US Education system. What has your experience been? I would have no objection to a lady with adult children. I just wonder about someone in her late 30s with a child who is 9-10 years old. Coming here to new culture, different language, etc has to be awfully tough on the kid. If the kid is 4 years old, it would be a lot easier to start learning the language before Kindergarten.

Also, I see a lot of these women are highly educated. Doctors, lawyers, economists, etc. But they lack fluency in English. How do they cope with jobs when they get here to the US? For example, a doctor in Ukraine or Russia will have to go through the USMLE exams etc to even get a residency here, essentially starting over. With English skills problem, it could near impossible to become one here. That has got to be difficult for them to cope with.

Thanks for your feedback.

Feed into my recent thread on what to do if the girls English is not good, some helpful advice on there on the situation. Basically, its a fair amount of time and money invested in English lessons along the way and perhaps a harder time assimilating into the new culture, all in all a harder task. I think children, particularly the more younger adapt more easily, they taken to pick languages up more quickly and have more time to devout to learning the language over a number of years and in informal situations. As Adults will rarely get much chance to learn out of the classroom for extended periods.

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

That said, there are men that are serious about these women but the stakes are considerably higher for them, there is the risk that the women just wants 'in' to their country and is using them as a 'mule' for a green card or similar. There then is the divorce risk, should a woman divorce with a child, even if it was not yours you may still be deemed liable as having taken on that responsibility by a court and taken for all its worth, i.e women gets your home in its entirety signed over to her, etc - well in the UK anyway, US probably somewhat similar. So the man has to think carefully about whether this is really a good idea, many later get cold feet for good reason and decide it is not. I think you would really need to find a woman who feels very vulnerable that she needs a man to lean upon, avoid the more independent minded woman that seem too strong, stand too well/cope easily on their own feet - they are more likely to see you as prey.

[JayH]

Feed into my recent thread on what to do if the girls English is not good, some helpful advice on there on the situation. Basically, its a fair amount of time and money invested in English lessons along the way and perhaps a harder time assimilating into the new culture, all in all a harder task. I think children, particularly the more younger adapt more easily, they taken to pick languages up more quickly and have more time to devout to learning the language over a number of years and in informal situations. As Adults will rarely get much chance to learn out of the classroom for extended periods.

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

That said, there are men that are serious about these women but the stakes are considerably higher for them, there is the risk that the women just wants 'in' to their country and is using them as a 'mule' for a green card or similar. There then is the divorce risk, should a woman divorce with a child, even if it was not yours you may still be deemed liable as having taken on that responsibility by a court and taken for all its worth, i.e women gets your home in its entirety signed over to her, etc - well in the UK anyway, US probably somewhat similar. So the man has to think carefully about whether this is really a good idea, many later get cold feet for good reason and decide it is not. I think you would really need to find a woman who feels very vulnerable that she needs a man to lean upon, avoid the more independent minded woman that seem too strong, stand too well/cope easily on their own feet - they are more likely to see you as prey.

I said it before-- so in case you or anyone else missed it-- you are a complete and utter moron.
Your warped ideas and values -plus the paranoi about spending ANYTHING- let alone being "scammed" into spending a dollar-- all doom you to fail in every way.

If you did ever manage to hook up with a girl-- god help her.

[treadmilldude]

Feed into my recent thread on what to do if the girls English is not good, some helpful advice on there on the situation. Basically, its a fair amount of time and money invested in English lessons along the way and perhaps a harder time assimilating into the new culture, all in all a harder task. I think children, particularly the more younger adapt more easily, they taken to pick languages up more quickly and have more time to devout to learning the language over a number of years and in informal situations. As Adults will rarely get much chance to learn out of the classroom for extended periods.

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

That said, there are men that are serious about these women but the stakes are considerably higher for them, there is the risk that the women just wants 'in' to their country and is using them as a 'mule' for a green card or similar. There then is the divorce risk, should a woman divorce with a child, even if it was not yours you may still be deemed liable as having taken on that responsibility by a court and taken for all its worth, i.e women gets your home in its entirety signed over to her, etc - well in the UK anyway, US probably somewhat similar. So the man has to think carefully about whether this is really a good idea, many later get cold feet for good reason and decide it is not. I think you would really need to find a woman who feels very vulnerable that she needs a man to lean upon, avoid the more independent minded woman that seem too strong, stand too well/cope easily on their own feet - they are more likely to see you as prey.

Very disappointed in you writing this Trenchcoat. You have no idea how disappointed I am in you writing this advice for sex tourists looking for sex in the FSU (not a relationship that will lead to marriage and possibly children, but strictly and only sex). RWD is NOT a discussion board for sex tourists. In fact, I feel the majority of men here (at least I hope the men have the same utter contempt for sex tourists that I have) feel the exact same I do about sex tourists - they should be banned and kicked off of RWD permanently. Not a temporary ban, but a permanent ban.

There was no good reason for you to write that paragraph at all Trenchcoat. It was a ridiculous paragraph you wrote. If a Western Man is like myself, looking for a loving, caring, wonderful FSU woman to get to know, earn her confidence and trust, and eventually win her heart, enough so that she will say YES to my Marriage proposal and move to my country to start a life and a family with me, then your paragraph is a total waste. It provides men like me who are not sex tourists, but rather are in search of a Wife and future Mother of my Children, absolutely no assistance at all in the endeavor we are pursuing.

I was wrong about you. I never took you for a sex tourist Trenchcoat. But you are not the first person I have been wrong about in my life. I imagine the members here are going to be watching you very closely from now on, as we now know your true intentions for traveling to the FSU. And it ain't for love and marriage. I always had doubts about you anyways Trenchcoat. You make terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision. You do not learn from your mistakes or the mistakes of others. You do not want to be successful in this journey, and I do not feel you ever will be successful.

For the guys here on RWD who are genuinely looking to find a fantastic woman for marriage / future Children, do not be like Trenchcoat. Do not be a creep.

[wallm]

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

Dude, please. I am not looking to get laid easily. I am looking for a life long partner. I can get laid here. Some people just talk too much. 

[Brianinaz]

Wallm,

Welcome! you will find a wealth of information here so take some time and explore the site.

As for language it will not be an issue, My wife's daughter was 6 when she moved here in March. She had completed most of first grade in Ukraine. She went right into second grade that August after being here for five months or so and had no problems. She graduated from middle school this past May being one of seven kids who had straight A's all through middle school.

Personally I wouldn't write off women with a child. There are pluses and minuses as there are with women with no children. You can read about train wrecks in both situations. I would recommend some caution with older kids (mid teens and on). You will be taking them away from their friends and social life and that's not going to make you very likable in their eyes. The key to success with a woman who has a child is you have to become a family. If you and the child don't bond you're in for a rough ride. But that's not really much different than if you married a woman here in the US with a kid.

As for the issue of the father; if it were me and the father was involved with the child (which is really pretty uncommon in Ukraine) I'd walk away. You're a dad. How would you have felt if someone took your son to the other side of the planet? But like I said if mom's single/divorced it's pretty unlikely that dad's involved. Then it's a matter of getting him to sign off on the papers. You can read stories here on that but I wouldn't buy into the idea that every or the majority end up as train wrecks.

I would disagree with the statement upthread that said "and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way." As mentioned in their system anything can be bought. The resolution in this case will go to the highest bidder. Dad's not going to ante up and out bid your gift to the judge in the case. That may sound like drama to you but it's just business in Ukraine. In my case Dad was no were to be found. We still had to go to court and have his parental rights legally removed. That still required a "gift" ( I think it cost me $300) to get the appropriate signatures. If you get to that point you'll just need to find someone who knows their way around the local court system.

[dragonkid]

If a Western Man is like myself, looking for a loving, caring, wonderful FSU woman to get to know, earn her confidence and trust, and eventually win her heart, enough so that she will say YES to my Marriage proposal and move to my country to start a life and a family with me,

You first need to jump on a plane mate.

[treadmilldude]

Wallm,

Welcome! you will find a wealth of information here so take some time and explore the site.

As for language it will not be an issue, My wife's daughter was 6 when she moved here in March. She had completed most of first grade in Ukraine. She went right into second grade that August after being here for five months or so and had no problems. She graduated from middle school this past May being one of seven kids who had straight A's all through middle school.

Personally I wouldn't write off women with a child. There are pluses and minuses as there are with women with no children. You can read about train wrecks in both situations. I would recommend some caution with older kids (mid teens and on). You will be taking them away from their friends and social life and that's not going to make you very likable in their eyes. The key to success with a woman who has a child is you have to become a family. If you and the child don't bond you're in for a rough ride. But that's not really much different than if you married a woman here in the US with a kid.

As for the issue of the father; if it were me and the father was involved with the child (which is really pretty uncommon in Ukraine) I'd walk away. You're a dad. How would you have felt if someone took your son to the other side of the planet? But like I said if mom's single/divorced it's pretty unlikely that dad's involved. Then it's a matter of getting him to sign off on the papers. You can read stories here on that but I wouldn't buy into the idea that every or the majority end up as train wrecks.

I would disagree with the statement upthread that said "and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way." As mentioned in their system anything can be bought. The resolution in this case will go to the highest bidder. Dad's not going to ante up and out bid your gift to the judge in the case. That may sound like drama to you but it's just business in Ukraine. In my case Dad was no were to be found. We still had to go to court and have his parental rights legally removed. That still required a "gift" ( I think it cost me $300) to get the appropriate signatures. If you get to that point you'll just need to find someone who knows their way around the local court system.

Not every Western Man feels comfortable doing this, being the Bad Guy. The girl and her 6 year-old Daughter Veronica, whom I thought was going to be mine and only mine until the end of time....when her ex, Veronica's Dad, suddenly reappeared into the picture after accidentally being told about me by the woman's Mom, he was more than 2 years behind on child support and had only seen his little Girl a total of about 5 times in the last 3 years. He was a total deadbeat Dad for the last 3 1/2 years, and Olya (girl I thought was going to be mine) still despises him to this day. But once he found out about me, he got immensely jealous, and in the span of about 3 weeks, he went from being more than 2 years behind on alimony, to suddenly completely caught up. And he hired 2 lawyers to take her to court so he could get every weekend visitation rights to see his little girl. Olya was freaking out and distraught and begged for my help as she did not want Veronica to have anything to do with her Dad. She mentioned that her Ex is not a wealthy man (his salary there in Gomel, Belarus is about $300 per month after tax), neither are his family of means. She mentioned to me she thought if I showed up to her ex's home when I came to visit, and offered him maybe $3,000 US, he would probably take the $3,000 and sign over the papers relinquishing his parental rights to his Daughter. I thought about this for all of about 2 seconds. I am a good man, I have morals, I have a conscience. I was not going to take that little girl away from her Dad. So I told Olya No. And that was the end of Olya and I.

I do not particularly like or respect your advice, Brianinaz. ""I would disagree with the statement upthread that said "and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way." As mentioned in their system anything can be bought. The resolution in this case will go to the highest bidder. Dad's not going to ante up and out bid your gift to the judge in the case. That may sound like drama to you but it's just business in Ukraine."" There is no honor in removing a child from her parent's country, simply by using the economic leverage you have as a Western Man relative to a FSU Man making $300 per month. I find no honor in that. I would not recommend any guys on this board who are thinking of pursuing a FSU woman with a child, to resort to this tactic if push comes to shove and the ex husband must be dealt with. In that case, give the girl and her Child a Hug and a kiss on the cheek, wish them both the best, and move on and find a different woman with a child whose Father will put up no resistance to signing the papers allowing the child to leave for your Western country.

Buying off the child's Biological Father is awfully sleazy, Brianinaz. 

[Trenchcoat]

I was wrong about you. I never took you for a sex tourist Trenchcoat. But you are not the first person I have been wrong about in my life. I imagine the members here are going to be watching you very closely from now on, as we now know your true intentions for traveling to the FSU. And it ain't for love and marriage. I always had doubts about you anyways Trenchcoat. You make terrible decision after terrible decision after terrible decision. You do not learn from your mistakes or the mistakes of others. You do not want to be successful in this journey, and I do not feel you ever will be successful.

For the guys here on RWD who are genuinely looking to find a fantastic woman for marriage / future Children, do not be like Trenchcoat. Do not be a creep.

Where, did I say anything about me wanting sex tourism, I didn't and I don't, that is why I don't go for women with children, I'm just saying that is how some men operate. I am not suggesting or promoting that they do that - those that are so inclined already do, they don't need me telling them. I am in truth looking for a loving, caring relationship. The OP asked about the situation with women with children and I told him. It is how it is, I did not decide it was this way nor contributed to it being this way. I think it is unhelpful to us legit western men looking for a FSW as it is for us encountering scammers, it messes up the search and makes the search harder for everyone to find someone they really want rather than a good lay or being ripped off for money. As I often say with scammer women, what goes around comes around, and is the same for sexpats I think in that if they go mixing the two objectives, sex and looking for loving relationship they mess up the later in looking for the former, same as scammers mixing money grabbing and loving relationship. I was merely stating what happens, not my position. As for whether I will be successful myself, who knows, I am not confident.

[Gator]

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

Where do you read this?   Or is this just your opinion?   

STOP!!!!   It is bullshit. 

My experience:  Some women are very open to having sex the first evening together (if not afternoon), others are reserved.  The pace was natural as I never pushed them.  I never thought about this before, but the two variables are independent (no relationship)

                        x = child or no child 
                        y = having sex on day 1, 2 , 3....

There is another variable, z = desperation.  I have no information; if I thought a woman were desperate, I stopped communication.  And if already in a meeting, I did not pursue her further. 

Also, I did not raise the subject of sex when talking on the phone.  Two women eagerly brought it up and I happily pursued it, yet never met them for other reasons.   

Try to date women who have a good job.   I found a real diamond, a Russian flower.

[JayH]

I would disagree with the statement upthread that said "and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way." As mentioned in their system anything can be bought. The resolution in this case will go to the highest bidder. Dad's not going to ante up and out bid your gift to the judge in the case. That may sound like drama to you but it's just business in Ukraine. In my case Dad was no were to be found. We still had to go to court and have his parental rights legally removed. That still required a "gift" ( I think it cost me $300) to get the appropriate signatures. If you get to that point you'll just need to find someone who knows their way around the local court system.

In what year/s did your comments come from?
What may have been a way in the past- is not how it is now. Even in the past-it varied from area to area as to what was possible.
For every case that is simple-there is one with complications.even if that was 10 to 1-- it is a tough gig if you are in the 10%.

I said above- it is a "new"Ukraine " and much is different.

[JayH]

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I do not particularly like or respect your advice, Brianinaz. ""I would disagree with the statement upthread that said "and the only resolution will be in the courts, which could go either way." As mentioned in their system anything can be bought. The resolution in this case will go to the highest bidder. Dad's not going to ante up and out bid your gift to the judge in the case. That may sound like drama to you but it's just business in Ukraine."" There is no honor in removing a child from her parent's country, simply by using the economic leverage you have as a Western Man relative to a FSU Man making $300 per month. I find no honor in that. I would not recommend any guys on this board who are thinking of pursuing a FSU woman with a child, to resort to this tactic if push comes to shove and the ex husband must be dealt with. In that case, give the girl and her Child a Hug and a kiss on the cheek, wish them both the best, and move on and find a different woman with a child whose Father will put up no resistance to signing the papers allowing the child to leave for your Western country.

Buying off the child's Biological Father is awfully sleazy, Brianinaz. 

TMD--I dont think Brian was advocating that at all--his comment was-"īt happens"
You have missed the point being made about buying off biological fathers-- often the ONLY interest the guy has in the child is to get a payoff for signing. The court process is used to frustrate to up the ante.
Often they have  not even seen the child-let alone contribute anything at all.

In one case I know of-the biological father was/is a contributor-- but also 100% in favour of his son going to the west with his mother in the childs best interests.FWIW--he was also a guy that escaped  Sloviansk massacre of Ukrainian troops by the Russian military in 2014 and is still in the east today.So 200% no deadbeat, but a responsible guy who wants the best for his son.

[2tallbill]

I am debating what to do about women with kids. The primary concern I have is
language. I would think a kid with limited English skills will have difficulty
assimilating into the US Education system.

What has your experience been? I would have no objection to a lady with adult children. I just wonder about someone in her late 30s with a child who is 9-10 years old. Coming here to new culture, different language, etc has to be awfully tough on the kid. If the kid is 4 years old, it would be a lot easier to start learning the language before Kindergarten.

Kids learn English pretty quickly. They've probably studied in school, but haven't
practiced with it much. I would be far more worried about a moody 17 year old
son than any 9-10 year old.

How do they cope with jobs when they get here to the US? For example, a doctor in Ukraine or Russia will have to go through the USMLE exams etc to even get a residency here, essentially starting over. With English skills problem, it could near impossible to become one here. That has got to be difficult for them to cope with.

It really depends on what they want to do and all of this will take time.
My advice is to find a girl, then make a plan based on your mutual goals.
There are some threads about work here at the forum. Maybe somebody
can post a link for some of them?

Udachi!

Bill

[BillyB]

Personally, I really do think women with kids are a far easier lay, there are guys that go over there and the women is already talking sex from just messaging, sometimes without even skyping and then get laid within the first few hours. I think that their plight is so miserably poor that they are willing to do this to avoid being passed over as they will have few chances to get out otherwise. From what I see some women with kids get fed up of becoming unofficial prostitutes to many a sexpat as few have the intention of marrying them and just want an easy lay.

Speculation. Here's what I speculate. Women who have kids are more careful to who they open their legs too. They've already had one father of the child that's not in their life. They definitely don't want two fathers of their children out of their life.

Sex tourists want a 100% success rate when they go overseas. Most get that by paying professionals. Some will cross over into other territory because they prefer women who aren't getting shared by a thousand men so they target marriage minded women. They may talk dirty to them or offer them money to see if they are willing to have fun with benefits. Guys won't travel over there unless they know they got a woman willing to agree but most won't agree. Most women do not want a man who has exchanged bodily fluids with hundreds of other women who in turned exchanged bodily fluids with thousands of other men.

[dragonkid]

Where do you read this?   Or is this just your opinion?   

STOP!!!!   It is bullshit. 

Try to date women who have a good job.   I found a real diamond, a Russian flower.

Are you mad because trench insulted your "real diamond", "russian flower"? End of the day she brought her kids to the US, and she benefited very nicely from marrying you. You gave an unfair blow on "desperate" women, that don't make as much financially as your much older wife who had 2 kids that needed to escape the russian system. You can feed yourself any bs logic, but don't try and mislead people, women whatever their financial background have something to gain, some are just better at masking it and fooling gullible western men. If you wanted a woman with nothing to gain, why didn't you stick to american women? Or foreign women in the US? Plenty of foreigners there that have nothing to gain.

[2tallbill]

STOP!!!!   It is bullshit. 

My experience:  Some women are very open to having sex the first evening together (if not afternoon), others are reserved.  The pace was natural as I never pushed them.  I never thought about this before, but the two variables are independent (no relationship)

                        x = child or no child 
                        y = having sex on day 1, 2 , 3....

There is another variable, z = desperation.  I have no information; if I thought a woman were desperate, I stopped communication.  And if already in a meeting, I did not pursue her further. 

A girl with no children could have used chance and had 4-5 abortions where a girl
with one child could have insisted on condoms for the past many years. Which girl
would be safer to have sex with? Who is more likely to bed a strange man?

FSUW have been taught that it's healthy to have sex. They usually don't have the
same hangups that some Western women have. If I had to guess a woman with
children probably has less sex with multiple partners if for no other reason than
kids tend to hamper such activities.

Having said that, I agree with Gator that there isn't a direct correlation between
giving live birth and promiscuity or the ease to get a girl between the sheets.
I can't site any evidence apart from my anecdotal experience.

That's my opinion,

Bill