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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #251 on: November 27, 2018, 09:03:01 PM »
I noticed today on TV that the Guardian has amended that line to ..'manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy-sources-say'
I guess better late than never.

Assange denies it all -- branded it is "fake" news  .We shall see in due course.

So--if it proves to be true--what conclusions do you draw from it?
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #252 on: November 03, 2019, 01:25:12 PM »
Manafort attempted to divert the issue of Russian hacking, blaming Ukraine.  Once again, Manafort was beholden to the Russians, to the (potential) detriment of Ukraine -

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-documents-reveal-manafort-pushed-the-theory-ukraine-hacked-dnc-email-server


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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #253 on: November 03, 2019, 04:40:26 PM »

I believe Russia hacked the DNC. They hack everything American. We're there more hostile actors hacking into the DNC server like they did Hillary's private email server? Probably. We know Russia, China, Germany, and one of the Korea's been hacking into Hillary's email server.

The DNC didn't want our intelligence agencies to look in their server so they hired Crowdstrike. Crowdstrike confirmed Russia was in the DNCs server so our intelligence agencies blamed Russia based off Crowdstike's conclusion. What if there were more hostile actors in the DNC's server but Crowdstrike was told by their customer, the DNC, not to tell us since Russia fits their narrative of what's going on? Trump wants to find out. Our intelligence agencies should know which countries are hacking us so we can take preventive measures but the Democrats trust Crowdstrike for security over our intelligence agencies.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #254 on: November 03, 2019, 07:34:54 PM »
the Ukrainian subplot introduced by Trump and the one fabricated by Manafort, are the SAME story!!!
the latest unredacted mueller notes... show some interesting details to say the least!!!!

if democrats get access to Trumps's secret phone server and get the calls from Russia, Turkey and Saudi Arabia
then Trump will quit!!!!

remember all this was triggered over 5 min of a phone call to Ukraine....
imagine the RUSSIAN ones...
and fortunately, I don't have to...
BTW, the PeePee tapes are REAL!!!
Putin has shown an enhanced video of it to everyone in the inner circle!!!
and Trump knows he has it and lives in terror of it being released....
AND
one day Putin IS going to release it!!!!
but AFTER Trump is out of office!!!!!
can you imagine watching dumb phuque Trump voters watch the Trump PeePee tape!!!
PRICELESS!!!
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #255 on: November 12, 2019, 08:25:40 AM »
here’s a pic courtesy of the Belbeck Shock Battalion outta Sevastopol...
eto moy bratyev! slovo!

this pic is of local Ukrainian soldiers in Zaporizhia...
moy bratyev ran the operation that got all the facial pics of local Ukrainian soldiers and ran their pics through social media using our facial recognition system...
we ended up with a 30% ID rate!!!
these names were all put into a list and sent to another unit on the same ulitsa as us, and that’s the last I ever heard about it!!!!

BUT...
it tells me SOMETHING oichen bolshoi is gonna happen in Zaporizhia...

and meanwhile Ukraine has pulled its military forces back from Eastern Ukraine, and has cleared its land mines!!!!

AND...
by the end of next year, Russia is going to reduce the gas supply to Ukraine by between 75 to 90%!!!!!

within a year this will lead to a major economic depression for Ukraine...

so by two years from now there will be VERY negative forces building in Ukraine...
economically, politically, and socially...
just waiting for a spark to set everything ablaze
like the day children playing with matches burned down half of Kyiv....
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #256 on: November 12, 2019, 09:16:18 AM »
and meanwhile Ukraine has pulled its military forces back from Eastern Ukraine, and has cleared its land mines!!!!


Ukraine isn't getting enough help from Western nations to claim ALL their nation back so the new president has to make a deal. Give Eastern Ukraine more autonomy and in return, Russia will back off. Ukraine may begin to live in peace and the economy flourish and Russia's economy will improve after sanctions are dropped on them. Like Crimea, with more autonomy Eastern Ukraine may vote themselves into Russia someday. Russia will drop it's war in exchange for Eastern Ukraine. Cartographers are going to get busy again.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #257 on: November 12, 2019, 09:23:49 AM »
Ukraine isn't getting enough help from Western nations to claim ALL their nation back so the new president has to make a deal. Give Eastern Ukraine more autonomy and in return, Russia will back off. Ukraine may begin to live in peace and the economy flourish and Russia's economy will improve after sanctions are dropped on them. Like Crimea, with more autonomy Eastern Ukraine may vote themselves into Russia someday. Russia will drop it's war in exchange for Eastern Ukraine. Cartographers are going to get busy again.

Billy, so in exchange for Crimea . . . Russia did what ??
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #258 on: November 12, 2019, 09:44:23 AM »
Billy, so in exchange for Crimea . . . Russia did what ??


Russia claims they didn't do anything and Crimea just voted themselves over to Russia. It's unfortunate but if a nation can't get enough support in this world to get their property back, they have to negotiate with the bully for self preservation.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #259 on: November 12, 2019, 10:09:51 AM »
Billy, you said:  "Russia will drop it's war in exchange for Eastern Ukraine."

Thus, you are indicating Russia will be a good boy if they get something.

So, I am asking you:  What did Russia do after they got Crimea?

What does appeasing a bully accomplish ?
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #260 on: November 12, 2019, 11:40:00 AM »
What does continuing to send Ukrainian men to the region, with limited and inferior equipment, do to stop  Russia?  The West should continue their sanctions, even expand them.  Of course, the Europeans don't want that, they need Russian oil and gas, and want to expand trade with Russia.  Ditto Donald Trump.


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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #261 on: November 12, 2019, 12:02:20 PM »
EVERYONE is selling out to Russia BO, EVEN ME!!!!
give it a few more years, and EVEN YOU you will see the logic of it all and JOIN US!!! horrosho! tak!
zaftra in Odessa!

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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #262 on: November 12, 2019, 12:04:42 PM »
That will never happen with me.  I am not ever going to support former commie pigs, be they Russian or Ukrainian, who have now shown their true faces..

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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #263 on: November 12, 2019, 05:13:54 PM »
So, I am asking you:  What did Russia do after they got Crimea?


They supported pro Russian rebels to destabilize Ukraine.

What does appeasing a bully accomplish ?


At this moment, it's about self preservation. Poroshenko went around the world looking for a nation to supply him lethal weapons and get support, any support. He couldn't get enough support. In Trump's call to the new Ukrainian president he mentioned European nations weren't doing enough for Ukraine. Trump was right. Trump gave lethal weapons to Ukraine but it's still not enough to make the bully go away. Things weren't getting better for Ukraine but it could get worse. So, the new Ukrainian president is negotiating with the bully. Pulling troops back is a first step to negotiations. I predict the Ukraine losing real estate in the future and Putin gaining real estate without shedding too much Russian blood.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #264 on: November 12, 2019, 05:29:48 PM »
awww BO, c'mon, can't we still be friends?
you can't stop what's going to happen to Ukraine...
the best outcome with the fewest causalities would be to get the war over with as COMPLETELY and as QUICKLY as possible
rather than a pro-longed stalemate in Donetsk....

there are now NO Ukrainian military forces surrounding Donbas
mine fields are being cleared....
SOON...
Russian forces will be building....

when they launch their attack they will be half way to Kyiv and Odessa in 24 hours
I've SEEN the actual training material for the maneuvers!!!!
slam!
bam!
spossiba m'am!


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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #265 on: November 12, 2019, 05:46:10 PM »
Nope.  I rejected those pigs 30 years ago, and I reject them, and their equally heinous offspring, today. 


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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #266 on: November 12, 2019, 05:58:08 PM »
when they launch their attack they will be half way to Kyiv and Odessa in 24 hours
I've SEEN the actual training material for the maneuvers!!!!
slam!
bam!
spossiba m'am!

It would be bad for Putin to slaughter his Slavic brothers and sisters. That is why he denies Russia is involved in Ukraine. Putin does admit a few Russian troops, missiles and tanks have followed their hearts to help the rebels in Ukraine. Trump gave Ukraine enough lethal weapons to make it hurt real bad for Russian troops should Putin order a full invasion. Putin will also have to deal with constant rebels that are constantly supplied with weapons from Western partners. It will be a conflict that will drag on for Putin and enough Russian blood spilled that will hurt his legacy. I don't think he's going for all Ukraine. He just wants the parts he knows rebels won't rise up and kill Russian troops.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #267 on: November 13, 2019, 12:37:24 AM »
BillyB, do you ever read what you write and wonder at your utter STUPIDITY?

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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #268 on: November 13, 2019, 08:12:51 AM »

....by the end of next year, Russia is going to reduce the gas supply to Ukraine by between 75 to 90%!!!!!



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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #269 on: November 13, 2019, 09:30:07 AM »
BillyB, do you ever read what you write and wonder at your utter STUPIDITY?

 You predicted all hell would break loose after Trump made his recent move in Syria. You were wrong.  you have a history of being wrong
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #270 on: November 14, 2019, 02:43:58 AM »
BillyB, all hell DID break out...

Many died and Daesh prisoners escaped.

Yet another demonstration of your 'awareness'..

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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #271 on: November 14, 2019, 08:48:08 AM »
BillyB, all hell DID break out...


Trump left the Kurds forcing the Kurds to come to the negotiating table. There is a truce now with the Kurds and Turkey and Kurds and Syria and Russia. Fighting has stopped Kurds also worried America was going to leave and they would lose their oil fields finally pointed out where the ISIS leader was hiding. Trump made a move that initially scared people, yes but the move ended up a win for everybody.

Zelensky is pulling troops out of Eastern Ukraine so he can negotiate with Russia so Russia put a leash on the Rebels which will end the conflict. If you don't agree, then explain what you think is happening.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #272 on: November 14, 2019, 10:11:35 AM »
Trump left the Kurds forcing the Kurds to come to the negotiating table. There is a truce now with the Kurds and Turkey and Kurds and Syria and Russia. Fighting has stopped Kurds also worried America was going to leave and they would lose their oil fields finally pointed out where the ISIS leader was hiding. Trump made a move that initially scared people, yes but the move ended up a win for everybody.

You truly are a stubborn dick-head ...  World War II ended up with an agreement - as do most wars - but it is usually the foreign policy stupidity of at least one leader that kicks them off ...   Thousands died - including kids at school .. If this is BillyB's definition of 'success' - there is n o hope for you..

Zelensky is pulling troops out of Eastern Ukraine so he can negotiate with Russia so Russia put a leash on the Rebels which will end the conflict. If you don't agree, then explain what you think is happening.

Minsk II ?

I see how you are 'up' on such things..
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #273 on: November 14, 2019, 10:38:55 AM »
Minsk II ?


Minsk II didn't have Ukraine pull back their troops and offer autonomy to the Eastern regions of Ukraine. Zelensky is offering more to Russia in hopes Ukraine will have lasting peace. What is being offered isn't Minsk II so no comparison.
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Re: Paul Manafort- Destroyer of Ukrainian Democracy
« Reply #274 on: November 14, 2019, 12:50:00 PM »
Minsk II didn't have Ukraine pull back their troops and offer autonomy to the Eastern regions of Ukraine. Zelensky is offering more to Russia in hopes Ukraine will have lasting peace. What is being offered isn't Minsk II so no comparison.

As ever, I note BillyB realised he was fighting a losing battle on Levant front - so he's switched to Ukraine ... and failing, too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

What part of

"Decentralisation of power"

"bilateral ceasefire"

confuses you ?

Whether you trust President Z ( or not ) he has taken brave steps to end the fighting and embarrass the occupiers

Now less of the obfuscation and back to the WELL DODGY Mr Manafort and the company he kept ... OH.. wait a Mo .. 'Trampu'... How inconvenient.

So, is 'Trampu' a bad choice of character - or do birds of a feather stick together  ? 

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