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[jb]

Lindochka is a woman.

Does anyone believe the post you quoted was written by a RW still living in Russia?

[lindochka]

Does anyone believe the post you quoted was written by a RW still living in Russia?

JB, I am a woman. I don't live in Russia, I never have. My cousin Katya does (her husband is a Moskvich), and I have a few cousins in Kiev (which is in Ukraine, not in Russia), but my fiance and roughly 98% of the rest of my living relatives reside in Belarus. (Think of it as "the other FSU.")

PeeWee, Lindogaychka? ROFL!

[Turboguy]

PeeWee,

Sounds like a good plan to me.  You might be gay and a PeeWee brain but to quote an old friend of mine. "You are nobody's fool?"   

Does anyone believe the post you quoted was written by a RW still living in Russia?

Why not, I am willing to believe you are a Texan and I have not heard that your wife is a Dr, why should I not believe that lindochka lives in the FSU.  After all she is the only female member of the club you put me, PeeWee and Michaelangelo in so she has to be an alright gal.

Damn PeeWee, a plan like that and I might rethink my usual avoidance of doctors and others in demanding professions.   Maybe I should renew my contact with the cute cardeovascualar surgeon from Odessa since I will be there in just over a week.  Perhaps I should upgrade my carreer preferences for girls that are scrub ladies, ditch diggers, maids, etc.  Let's see a couple of my favorites are a taxi dispatcher and a gal who sews for a living.  I had better not talk about that one.  If I say her age, jb will think I am sick or something. 

[lindochka]

Turboguy, I'm roughly three hundred miles east of you at the moment, assuming you're in the Beaver Falls that's north of Pittsburgh.

If I'm in this RWD "gay" group now, does that mean I have to ditch my fiance and look for a FSUW? Man, is that going to ruin my wedding plans!

[Turboguy]

Yep, that is exactly where I am.  Sounds like you are somewhere in the Philly area?  Yep,  maybe check with the bridesmaids,  Perhaps you can just move the groom to the bridal party and promote one of the bridesmaids.  That way the food won't go to waste.  Welcome to the club.

[lindochka]

Yep, City of Brotherly Love, and we all know what that means. 

I wasn't planning on any bridesmaids. I really don't think my fiance is going to go for any of this gay stuff unless I can get him into the gay club as well.

[Turboguy]

Does that make Phily and San Francisco kissing cousins?   Work on your fiancee, we have lots of room.

[jb]

As usual, certain elements are too busy shooting the messenger to bother reading the message. I have provided you with a huge amount of information regarding what is required of FSU doctors to become certified in the USA. 

Believe what you want.

[Turboguy]

Gosh jb, you are going to leak awful badly if you drink any water.  Just kidding.  If you read what I wrote, I never disagreed with anything you said except that I felt it was possible Lindochka was an FSU woman. 

I do think it is possible that an FSU doctor could be completly fluent in English when she arrives and that could shorten the timetable a lot. 

By the way, when I said you would probably be shocked if you knew how old the gal was who sews for a living was, she is 52.  Sorry to ruin my self image.  You were probably guessing 19.

[Michelangelo]

Does anyone believe the post you quoted was written by a RW still living in Russia?

What? 

I said she is a woman. I know that becasue I have read her posts.  Even upstream in this thread you heard me refer to her as "she."

It's obvious to me she is an American woman with soviet roots who has a russian boyfriend.

[lindochka]

As usual, certain elements are too busy shooting the messenger to bother reading the message. I have provided you with a huge amount of information regarding what is required of FSU doctors to become certified in the USA. 

Believe what you want.

What I provided is the official information from the official accrediting body in the US, as opposed to links to forum discussions, which are based on opinion and individual experience. (Yes, I clicked on a few of the links and read there.)

While sharing experiences and trading opinions is certainly helpful, it's not a substitute for official information when official information exists, and I would think anyone with any familiarity with RWD and other boards on the same theme would be more than aware of that.

Believe what you want, JB.

Michelangelo, close enough that if this were horseshoes you'd get points. 

[Turboguy]

What I provided is the official information from the official accrediting body in the US, as opposed to links to forum discussions, which are based on opinion and individual experience. (Yes, I clicked on a few of the links and read there.)

Makes me think Bruno is rubbing of on jb.  Bruno "googles" and jb "forums"

[jb]

JB, I am a woman. I don't live in Russia, I never have.

Well, I'll admit to having made the wrong judgement, I thought Lindochka was portraying herself/himself as a RW/RM.  As it turns out she is an AW, educated in the USA with absolutely zero experience with FSU medical schools. I knew from reading the post that I was not dealing with a RW.   And the usual line-up of fools immediately jump on the band wagon to take a "Lindochka affiliated" pot shot at jb.  Suddenly an AW, (who has spent how much time in the FSU?) knows more about the Russian system of education than anybody else on the board.

BTW, my wife is not a doctor, she is an educator.  She holds graduate degrees in math and physics from the Physics Faculty at Moscow State University,,,, she now teaches here in the US.  Her teaching title is "Professor", not "Doctor".

What I provided is the official information from the official accrediting body in the US, as opposed to links to forum discussions, which are based on opinion and individual experience. (Yes, I clicked on a few of the links and read there.)

Lindo,

I think actual experience if far more helpful than the "the official accrediting body in the US" propaganda.  Sure it might be possible if everything went perfectly, perfect English skills, perfect knowledge of the Latin medical terms used in the USA, as opposed to the Russian ones used in Russia, many of those guys speak of several years of study to pass the USMILE.  Do you think they did that study at home with used books purchased on Amazon,com?  Did your sources mention to you that it can be an almost 2-3 years ordeal just getting a FSU medical degree validated? 

Those guys and gals are going back to med school, paying high dollar non-resident tution, and bustin' ass, to get to the place where they can be accepted for the two years internship and the one year residence in whatever speciality they go for.  I don't think it's as easy and effortless as you lead these fools to believe.

[jb]

Makes me think Bruno is rubbing of on jb.  Bruno "googles" and jb "forums"

Nah,,, I just have a Russian wife who stays on top of things within the Russsian women's community here in the USA.  She is the one who provided the links to all those Russian doctor's discussions. 

The RW forums now often suggest that girls with medical degrees do not mention that they are doctors in their profiles simply because there are just too many fools like Peewee who think that if they marry a doctor they can live on easy street after they get the girl licensed to work here.  We had this same rather lengthly discussion years ago on the other board when Doc Woody was posting, (at that time he owned LTP in Tver), he very quickly put those notions to rest.

[lindochka]

JB, you started out making statements which were factually incorrect, i.e., the need for a graduate of an FSU medical school to repeat medical school in the US if s/he hoped to practice medicine here. You dropped that when it was demonstrated to be wrong.

Now you've taken the first sentence of a paragraph

JB, I am a woman. I don't live in Russia, I never have.

and quoted it out of context so you could make some sort of a point about my supposed ignorance of life in the FSU. Here is the full paragraph, for your reference.

JB, I am a woman. I don't live in Russia, I never have. My cousin Katya does (her husband is a Moskvich), and I have a few cousins in Kiev (which is in Ukraine, not in Russia), but my fiance and roughly 98% of the rest of my living relatives reside in Belarus. (Think of it as "the other FSU.")

I've bolded the end of it, for the simple reason that entirely too many people think that FSU=Russia. It does not. How many of your relatives (blood relatives, not in-laws) live in the FSU, JB? Trust me, my international long distance bill was ridiculous long before I fell in love with someone from there.

You've made a number of odd assumptions about me. First you thought I was a man and referred to my supposed interest in hot sexy ladies, even though I never presented myself as a man, use an obviously female name, and have referred to having a fiance rather than a fiancee. (One "e" means the fiance is not a lady, or the writer is an English speaker who can't spell.)

Then you decided I might be "portraying" my fiance and myself as Russian, which neither of us is. (I know, I know, you probably meant Russian-speaking. But "Russian-speaking" does not imply "ethnically Russian" or "Russian nationality." We do speak Russian together. He doesn't speak English.)

You're right, I am not a graduate of a medical school in the FSU, nor do I believe I represented myself as such. However, my own internist and quite a number of my colleagues are, and I have assisted numerous FSU immigrants in having their "worthless" FSU credentials (medical and otherwise) evaluated by the relevant accrediting authorities so that they could qualify to move into jobs within their professional fields here in the US.

I'm currently networking to help a guy from Kazakhstan who has excellent English skills but at age 50 does not want to attempt recredentialing as a physician here. His education and experience will land him an entry level position in a health-related field at $60K a year with very nice benefits, a good pension plan, and ample opportunity to move up. So he won't be a millionaire, but it's a little better than Wallyworld, don't you think?

I do not understand the point of your comments about your wife, about whom I know nothing and have said nothing. Perhaps you are assuming again, or perhaps you meant those for someone else. It's not clear.

JB, we don't know each other and I have not invited you to call me by anything other than my screen nic. But if you insist, surely a big expert on Russian such as yourself could take a better guess at the derivation of the diminutive "Lindochka." Lindo, indeed.

As for how much time I've spent in the FSU, I've referred to it in other posts. All told, I think I'm up to about a year and counting. (My cousins and my fiance are expecting me in three weeks, so that will add some more time to the aggregate.) No interpreter, no tour guide, and no English whatsoever. But I've spent only two weeks in Russia, so I know I can't hope to impress the big FSU experts here, even though it was Moscow.

However, since you wish to make a point about the value of practical experience, I'll put my parentage and upbringing on the table, to the degree of asking any Western man here who is planning to have children with his FSU wife and raise them in the West what he thinks those children will be like. If they're lucky, they will get what I got, which I consider to be the best of both worlds.

I'm not discounting the value of practical experience. I just think it's a mistake to equate individual practical experience with official requirements, especially when you're speaking of professions which require specific certifications and licensures. YMMV.

[Turboguy]

Nah,,, I just have a Russian wife who stays on top of things within the Russsian women's community here in the USA.  She is the one who provided the links to all those Russian doctor's discussions. 

OH,  So you are married to the female counterpart of Bruno.  Well I hear she is a great lady so hopefully everytime you look at her you don't picture Bruno in your mind.

[jb]

lindochka,

Screen name shorthand aside, you assume much.  May we assume your name is Linda?

First of all, my 1st post in this thread was to lay the ground work for men to not expect too much in the way of high expectations for a new Russian woman immigrant's income earning potential, regardless of her skill set or education.  That part remains true.  The average RW arriving on our shores will be lucky to land a clerking job in a department store initially after she gets her EAD and SSN. 

Whenever I see a newbie post a query regarding how much and how soon a Russian girl can begin earning significant income, my ears go to full alert.  We've seen this all too often before.  If you had a tad more experience around here you'd know that.  The usual translation of that question is as follows; "I don't make very much money and I need to be a two income household to make ends meet as a married couple.  What I really want to know is how long will it be before my new RW wife can begin to pull her own freight because I can't afford to support her for very long on my salary. Therefore, because I'm needing some help with the money end of this, I'm only searching for women in what are traditionally high income professions in the USA.  Ultimately I'd like to end up married to a beautiful young woman who will be able to help me succeed fiancially in life."

That's the honesty of it.

When you joined in with a basically off-topic post about how easy it is for a Russian MD to convert a medical degree from the FSU into a working practice in the USA, well, that just muddied the water.  I have given my best guess that a Russian medical practitioner will spend 6-8-10 years re-learning his or her trade craft in order to practice medicine here, that's based on real experience with real immigrants.  I've been knowing Russians (and very well educated ones at that) probably for more years than you are old.

Now you can choose to nit-pick with me from now til the cows come home, but it will not alter the fact that what you've advocated is not easy. 

Also, that's the honesty of it.

[jb]

So you are married to the female counterpart of Bruno.

Why would you willingly choose to insult my wife like that?  You, who are not married, and have no clue, need to watch your words more carefully. My wife is so much better, smarter, more intelligent, to say nothing of better looking than Bruno, they cannot, or should not, be mentioned in the same sentence.

Shame on you. That's very low.

Or,,, is this just a symptom of the current super popular theme of; "let's pile on jb" syndrome, let's insult him, let's insult his wife, let's compare her to the village idiot, let's insult where he lives, let's just disagree with everything he's ever said.  You guys, those which I now think of as the "Unholy Trio":  Peewee, Michaelangelo, and T/G, frankly are a pretty pathetic group.  You know nothing, say nothing important, contribute nothing to the collective wisdom of the board, and are generally just a waste of time and bandwidth.

Don't you have something more important to do than insult a woman you don't even know? To be brutally honest, you'd make a statement like that in front of me, and you'd wind up flat on your ass.

[Turboguy]

Chill out jb, I was just joking with you. 

When I was a 5 year old we had a saying.  If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out.   We knew that at age 5.  I guess that makes you a 3 year old.  Perhaps you will figure it out some day.

It is funny, I was just discussing that in a PM.  My comment to the person I was writing to was that I like to joke around with little barbs but I didn't believe in saying things that were overtly hurtful like you often do. 

You can make a comment like calling Bruno the village idiot.  I happen to think Bruno is very smart and a big asset to RWD.  I have found many of his posts to be very helpful.  Frankly I think if you are going to post all these hurtful, cruel, and low attacks on people and the people they care about you should work on you ability to roll with the punches a little. 

As far as my comments about your wife to the best of my knowledge she is a beautiful, wonderful, educated, successful and intelligent woman.   To be honest she must be almost a saint to live with you.  Just remember to think Bruno when you look at her. 

Anyway.  I will apologize.  I meant it to be funny not hurtful.  You do need to work on your sense of humor a bit and to learn to roll with the punches.  I am sorry.  I hope you will accept that.  It is sincere.  If you will, lets end this here and not let this thread degrade into something that ends up on NHB.  I won't mention it again.  Of course if you don't want to accept that then I will just refer to your wife as Bruno from here on out.  (that is a joke too, laugh jb)

[jb]

T/G,

Bruno is a dumb ugly Belgium gardner with bad teeth, and at least 3 or 4 failed RW relationships in his recent history we know of. 

My wife is a beautiful Russian woman with two post graduate degrees from the most prestigious University in Russia.   How can you possible equate my wife like that?  In truth, you can't and keep a straight face.  You thought you'd get away with a cheap shot, aren't you sorry I called you on it?

You need to learn how to draw understandable and plausible parallels. 

If you sincerely apologise, I accept.  However, I will kick some ass if I ever get my hands on those idiots, like you,  who don't, or can't figure things out soon.  Slandering my wife is strictly off limits.

I never spoke of your failed relationship to Luda, although I could have with great lucidity.  You were a total idiot to believe that ever had a snowball's chance in hell of working out.  I showed some restraint then, I suggest you do so now. 

[Turboguy]

I really had no intention to insult your wife and my post was done with an intent of humor. As far as if I was a total idiot to think my relationship with Luda had a chance, you are probably right. 

As far as Bruno goes, he tries hard to be helpful and he treats people with respect.  As far as the other parts, I never looked in his mouth.  Heck, I can have 4 failed relationships in a week without trying real hard.   If I had a chance of spending the night looking at Bruno or Cindy Crawford, I would go for Cindy without a second thought.  I think Bruno is a big asset to RWD.

[PeeWee]

Turboguy, I'm roughly three hundred miles east of you at the moment, assuming you're in the Beaver Falls that's north of Pittsburgh.

If I'm in this RWD "gay" group now, does that mean I have to ditch my fiance and look for a FSUW? Man, is that going to ruin my wedding plans!

Actually you can swing both ways if you like. I had a number of gay friends at one time when I worked for the airline. Seems that a number of the male flight attendants were of that persuasion, part time wedding planners on their off hours. I had two very close friends die from AIDS. That was 10 years ago and I still think about those lads today. Good people. If you ever get a chance, as a straigh guy, go to a gay party where there are also women who are not gay. It is so easy to pick up women at a gay party. But I digress. Those flight attendants, the younger ones, had some great all nighters. I recall one time arriving in ORD at about 11pm and the next thing I knew it was 6am and I needed some sleep. The outbound flight left at 10am. Those were the good old days. Did I mention a few months ago that I married a flight attendant? She was not gay, by the way.
Peewee

[PeeWee]

I was just thinking. A lot of these RW that you guys are finding are decent enough looking women. Flight attendant jobs are somewhat easy to come by. If you can convince her to take that profession then she would have a decent income and would not need to be too sharp on her English skills. I might try that for her if the astonaught does not work out or is she just does not want to do the med school. yeah...no I'm thinkin'.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Nah,,, I just have a Russian wife who stays on top of things within the Russsian women's community here in the USA.  She is the one who provided the links to all those Russian doctor's discussions. 

The RW forums now often suggest that girls with medical degrees do not mention that they are doctors in their profiles simply because there are just too many fools like Peewee who think that if they marry a doctor they can live on easy street after they get the girl licensed to work here.  We had this same rather lengthly discussion years ago on the other board when Doc Woody was posting, (at that time he owned LTP in Tver), he very quickly put those notions to rest.

Well actually it's astronaught first, then doctor. What if she went for the astronauht and didn't make it? Fall back is airline pilot...why let that flight school go to waste? There are so many opportunities for a bright young woman here in the US. How could anyone with an ounce of brain and a ton of desire not be able to make something of themselves? I don't care what she does as long as she is as happy as a calm in a bed of mud.

I have high hopes for this lady. If I should learn that she does not think the same then I best start looking for another who does. Peewee is not the welfare system by any stretch of the imagination.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

JB, you started out making statements which were factually incorrect, i.e., the need for a graduate of an FSU medical school to repeat medical school in the US if s/he hoped to practice medicine here. You dropped that when it was demonstrated to be wrong.

Now you've taken the first sentence of a paragraph

and quoted it out of context so you could make some sort of a point about my supposed ignorance of life in the FSU. Here is the full paragraph, for your reference.

I've bolded the end of it, for the simple reason that entirely too many people think that FSU=Russia. It does not. How many of your relatives (blood relatives, not in-laws) live in the FSU, JB? Trust me, my international long distance bill was ridiculous long before I fell in love with someone from there.

You've made a number of odd assumptions about me. First you thought I was a man and referred to my supposed interest in hot sexy ladies, even though I never presented myself as a man, use an obviously female name, and have referred to having a fiance rather than a fiancee. (One "e" means the fiance is not a lady, or the writer is an English speaker who can't spell.)

Then you decided I might be "portraying" my fiance and myself as Russian, which neither of us is. (I know, I know, you probably meant Russian-speaking. But "Russian-speaking" does not imply "ethnically Russian" or "Russian nationality." We do speak Russian together. He doesn't speak English.)

You're right, I am not a graduate of a medical school in the FSU, nor do I believe I represented myself as such. However, my own internist and quite a number of my colleagues are, and I have assisted numerous FSU immigrants in having their "worthless" FSU credentials (medical and otherwise) evaluated by the relevant accrediting authorities so that they could qualify to move into jobs within their professional fields here in the US.

I'm currently networking to help a guy from Kazakhstan who has excellent English skills but at age 50 does not want to attempt recredentialing as a physician here. His education and experience will land him an entry level position in a health-related field at $60K a year with very nice benefits, a good pension plan, and ample opportunity to move up. So he won't be a millionaire, but it's a little better than Wallyworld, don't you think?

I do not understand the point of your comments about your wife, about whom I know nothing and have said nothing. Perhaps you are assuming again, or perhaps you meant those for someone else. It's not clear.

JB, we don't know each other and I have not invited you to call me by anything other than my screen nic. But if you insist, surely a big expert on Russian such as yourself could take a better guess at the derivation of the diminutive "Lindochka." Lindo, indeed.

As for how much time I've spent in the FSU, I've referred to it in other posts. All told, I think I'm up to about a year and counting. (My cousins and my fiance are expecting me in three weeks, so that will add some more time to the aggregate.) No interpreter, no tour guide, and no English whatsoever. But I've spent only two weeks in Russia, so I know I can't hope to impress the big FSU experts here, even though it was Moscow.

However, since you wish to make a point about the value of practical experience, I'll put my parentage and upbringing on the table, to the degree of asking any Western man here who is planning to have children with his FSU wife and raise them in the West what he thinks those children will be like. If they're lucky, they will get what I got, which I consider to be the best of both worlds.

I'm not discounting the value of practical experience. I just think it's a mistake to equate individual practical experience with official requirements, especially when you're speaking of professions which require specific certifications and licensures. YMMV.

You need to keep after it, Lindo. Jb is good at trying to intimidate and quote of of context. He's a value to forum for sure. Just kind of sneeky, that's all.

peewee