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[jb]

Isn't that amazing.....

Your buddy PeeWee has riden in to your rescue.  With yet another non-post.  Ah,, the Unholy Trio is as yet unfulfilled here, you need to get Michelangelo in the loop to be complete.

What a bunch of nerds and nincompoops.  If any of you ever find a RW so desperate, at least desperate enough to marry you, I hope you will treat her with greater respect than you've shown here.

[PeeWee]

Why would you willingly choose to insult my wife like that?  You, who are not married, and have no clue, need to watch your words more carefully. My wife is so much better, smarter, more intelligent, to say nothing of better looking than Bruno, they cannot, or should not, be mentioned in the same sentence.

Shame on you. That's very low.

Or,,, is this just a symptom of the current super popular theme of; "let's pile on jb" syndrome, let's insult him, let's insult his wife, let's compare her to the village idiot, let's insult where he lives, let's just disagree with everything he's ever said.  You guys, those which I now think of as the "Unholy Trio":  Peewee, Michaelangelo, and T/G, frankly are a pretty pathetic group.  You know nothing, say nothing important, contribute nothing to the collective wisdom of the board, and are generally just a waste of time and bandwidth.

Don't you have something more important to do than insult a woman you don't even know? To be brutally honest, you'd make a statement like that in front of me, and you'd wind up flat on your ass.

let me understand if I have this correct. Jb can call Turbo a homo but when Turbo says even something even half as insensative the jb gets all huffy about it? Too bad I did not lay  into you, jb, rather then laugh it off as I did...the bigger man here...and all of that.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

T/G,

Bruno is a dumb ugly Belgium gardner with bad teeth, and at least 3 or 4 failed RW relationships in his recent history we know of. 

My wife is a beautiful Russian woman with two post graduate degrees from the most prestigious University in Russia.   How can you possible equate my wife like that?  In truth, you can't and keep a straight face.  You thought you'd get away with a cheap shot, aren't you sorry I called you on it?

You need to learn how to draw understandable and plausible parallels. 

If you sincerely apologise, I accept.  However, I will kick some ass if I ever get my hands on those idiots, like you,  who don't, or can't figure things out soon.  Slandering my wife is strictly off limits.

I never spoke of your failed relationship to Luda, although I could have with great lucidity.  You were a total idiot to believe that ever had a snowball's chance in hell of working out.  I showed some restraint then, I suggest you do so now. 

So you can accept Turbo's appology but not offer one to him for calling him a queer? Little man. Chest up.

Peewee

[Michelangelo]

You guys, those which I now think of as the "Unholy Trio":  Peewee, Michaelangelo, and T/G, frankly are a pretty pathetic group. 

Don't you have something more important to do than insult a woman you don't even know? To be brutally honest, you'd make a statement like that in front of me, and you'd wind up flat on your ass.

You are a mess JB. Here you go again, using my name in vain.

I was content to ignore this strand and the crude attacks you made on others and the misinformation you posted.  After all, I'm out of here in a few days and I preferred to stay low key.

But since you insulted me again, I'll rejoin this strand and correct the incorrect information you posted.  

But first,  I'll ask you the same question you threw at Turbo--"Don't you have something more important to do than insult a woman you don't even know?"  JB--that's exactly what you did last Friday when you blasted my fiancee with your sexcapades comment about Vik and me.  You don't know her, do you?  And I don't know Galina, do I?  But I would never have attacked her, as you did my fiancee.  Turbo apologized to you.  Are you man enough to apologize to me for your insulting comment about Vik?

I wish you would drop your crude comments and attacks on other members of RWD.  They serve no purpose and distract from the purposes of our strands and discussions.

I'll post this now and then come back after the 4th of July fireworks to correct information from your earlier posts.

[Michelangelo]

FIRST CORRECTION:

I'm not wrong, Lindochka's post merely reinforces my comments.

No, JB--Lindochka's corrected your comments to state the truth that Foreign docs do NOT have to go to medical school again.

Now you are trying to shift your argument, saying in actuality it takes 8 years.  But she was correcting your post that they have to go to medical school.  So don't try to change the question.  You were incorrect by saying that medical school redo is required. It is not.  So don't slam her.  She was correct and provided valid and useful information.

[PeeWee]

You are a mess JB. Here you go again, using my name in vain.

I was content to ignore this strand and the crude attacks you made on others and the misinformation you posted.  After all, I'm out of here in a few days and I preferred to stay low key.

But since you insulted me again, I'll rejoin this strand and correct the incorrect information you posted.  

But first,  I'll ask you the same question you threw at Turbo--"Don't you have something more important to do than insult a woman you don't even know?"  JB--that's exactly what you did last Friday when you blasted my fiancee with your sexcapades comment about Vik and me.  You don't know her, do you?  And I don't know Galina, do I?  But I would never have attacked her, as you did my fiancee.  Turbo apologized to you.  Are you man enough to apologize to me for your insulting comment about Vik?

I wish you would drop your crude comments and attacks on other members of RWD.  They serve no purpose and distract from the purposes of our strands and discussions.

I'll post this now and then come back after the 4th of July fireworks to correct information from your earlier posts.

Angelo, come on, man, you be a part of an exclusive club here. The "Unholy Trio". Were it like a badge of honor! I am.

We need to find these women good jobs. I am beginning to get the sense that jb thinks that our Russian friends are somewhat substandard in the education and intellect department to we Westerners. I hate to think that but I see it in his tone time and again. I do not believe it. The Russians put the first man in space. Flight tested the first supersonic transport. Defeted the Germans both on their own turf and again at the gates of Moscow. Great people. I fear that jb does not feel that the female FSU are capable of anything more than menial jobs.

Yet I have cited a Ukraine bank mangager now a finance analyst with Merrill Lynch after just two years in a Boston college where she gained her MBA. An Aeroflot flight attendant who can work as chief of inflight services for a new airline if she would just get her butt to NYC from her home in Moscow. A Ukraine architect who came to the US, cleaned houses, took English lessons, enrolled in a tech school and is on her way to being a very productive citizen. A cosmotologist who started a salon and then another and then another until she one day realized that she was richer than jb ever hoped he could be. A multi-millionaire. It happens time and again. And, yes, jb's wife has made it for herself but is she unique? No. If she an exception to the rule? No. These ladies are all capable or you would not have chosen them. They just need your incouragement so that they can realize their potential. Help them to realize their dream and they will love you forever.

Peewee

[Michelangelo]

SECOND CORRECTION

BTW, my wife is not a doctor, she is an educator.  She holds graduate degrees in math and physics from the Physics Faculty at Moscow State University,,,, she now teaches here in the US.  Her teaching title is "Professor", not "Doctor".

You are incorrect in your terminology of rank in the United States, which insults all of us hard working scientists who have earned the Ph.D..

In the American higher education system, there are three ranks;

assistant professor
associate professor
professor

These faculty ranks require an earned doctorate, or Ph.D. or Ed.D, in the field of study.

A university hires a new faculty member as an assistant professor.  The tenure track period is generally for 7 years, during which time the faculty member does research and teaches.  Publish or Perish applies.  Either you publish about 2 to 3 scholarly articles in peer reviewed, professional journals per year, and obtain grants, or you perish--you're fired.

Those who make it to associate professor continued scholarship and teaching.  After a period of time that varies from 5 years to 20 years, they can submit their CV for consideration of promotion to full professor.   This rank is only achieved by the very best, and usually is reserved for faculty with textbooks and other significant contributions to their field.

While students may call the faculty professor, the commen term is in fact Dr.

But once again, that term is reserved for faculty with a Ph.D.

JB--You brought your wife up here.  I think that's great; you are very proud of her.  I would be too.

But then you went on a rampage (again) attacking other people. And posting more inaccurate information.  If you wife has a M.S. degree and not a Ph.D., then her teaching rank is "Instructor," not "Professor."

Sure, students may call her professor, but it's because they are unsure if she holds a Ph.D. or not.

I'm sure she is an excellent teacher and researcher.  But if she had an earned doctorate, she would be called "Dr."

Now everyone knows how higher education works.

[PeeWee]

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Brilliant!

Peewee

[jb]

As I said, a waste of time and bandwidth.

[Michelangelo]

As I said, a waste of time and bandwidth.

Not at all.  We have readers from around the world and the correction of the terminology is important.  A professor is the highest rank in higher education in the United States.  Only the best achieve this rank, and their CV includes an impressive body of work.

[PeeWee]

Not at all.  We have readers from around the world and the correction of the terminology is important.  A professor is the highest rank in higher education in the United States.  Only the best achieve this rank, and their CV includes an impressive body of work.

Geez, I had no idea. It sounds as if it is even harder to become a professor than it is a doctor here in the US. How do those FSU degreed people ever make it as a professor, muchless a doctor? Sounds all but impossible...maybe even harder then a RW getting a tourist visa.

Peewee

[Michelangelo]

Geez, I had no idea. It sounds as if it is even harder to become a professor than it is a doctor here in the US. How do those FSU degreed people ever make it as a professor, muchless a doctor? Sounds all but impossible...maybe even harder then a RW getting a tourist visa.

Peewee

It is harder to become a professor than to become a doctor.  Total years to get a Ph.D. tend to be about 10 years.  But that puts you at assistant professor.  Then you have the hard work to move through the ranks. And you have to be a great writer to get your research published.

Getting a tourist visa is even harder 

[Bruno]

Makes me think Bruno is rubbing of on jb.  Bruno "googles" and jb "forums"

And Turboguy use www.Booble.com



 

[Bruno]

Bruno is a dumb ugly Belgium gardner with bad teeth, and at least 3 or 4 failed RW relationships in his recent history we know of. 

My wife is a beautiful Russian woman with two post graduate degrees from the most prestigious University in Russia.   How can you possible equate my wife like that? 

JB, you are really funny...

Yes, i have a failed marriage with a Russian women... and one failed starting relationship with a Ukrainian and a Belarus... and now what seem a good relationship with a Ukrainian woman... But before speak of my own case, let see yourself ! Have you stay virgin until you hae know your actual wife ? If i good remember you was married previously too... and it was certainly not the first relationship in your long life...

And what is the problem with the recent failed relationship... nothing wrong with this... Have you marry the first women that you have meet, was you so desesperate to find a wife ?

About educational level, don't worry about me... i have a A2 ( college ) in mathematic-science, a A1 ( university ) in informatic ( analist programmeur ), a A2C electroc-mechanic, a B2 Weapon technician... at this, you can add several formation in foreign country like Germany ( leadership course ), Holland ( radar technic ), France ( sonar technic, hydraulic, pmeunatic ), and USA ( rocketry )...

When i have marry, i have choose to stop with a good job ( navy, always around the earth, earning until 5000 euro month ) and start a A2C gardener... this new job have lead to lower money but it have allow me to see my family each day...

Of course, i have a other diploma who is no valid in Belgium, i have follow a formation of Herborist ( medical plant ) in Holland.

So, i can seem to be the idiot of the village but i am definitvely not so idiot... Do you know that some farmer have a university formation, engenieur level in biotechnologie... in our modern world, you have some specialist in each sector, with high level of formation...

[PeeWee]

It is harder to become a professor than to become a doctor.  Total years to get a Ph.D. tend to be about 10 years.  But that puts you at assistant professor.  Then you have the hard work to move through the ranks. And you have to be a great writer to get your research published.

Getting a tourist visa is even harder 

Based on what you are saying it sounds like jb was mistaken about his wife being a professor. I hope that she can make it some day. 10 plus years is a long time and then only an assistant to the professor. I'd take the doctor route because it sounds so much easier.

Are you still here, Angelo? Weren't you going somewhere in a hurry?

Peewee

[BC]

Boy, what a bickering match.. glad I watched the soccer match instead.

Bad hair day anyone?  :hairraising:

I think anyone evaluating their prospective mates work potential has a nut loose anyway.  I understand that coming from somewhat related professional fields can increase common discussion topics but that's about as far as it should go.  Every time I hear someone mention dating a doctor I shake my head.. funny.. I never ran across a doctor chasing a doctor hanging around RW related fora.

I really didn't care what profession my wife had.  Sure I enjoy her field of expertise immensely but it's a non-issue as far as our marriage goes.  My wife can and does give injections around here when needed (the doctors here usually don't) so that's as much doctor as I feel comfortable with.  I was much more interested in her qualities as a woman and not her profession.

Whatever profession your future bride or fiance has, when they immigrate they will just have to deal with whatever is necessary to carry on their profession if they so desire. No discussion here will change that.

Seems the intent in this thread is skewed more towards evaluating and justifying whether or not it is a good choice to marry women of a particular profession or not.. like the recent bad teeth thread it's something that the individuals involved will have to learn to accept and deal with.  As far as choice goes it's all about money.  Marrying a woman requiring dental work will be expensive as is marrying a doctor or other professional that wants to continue in their field but requires a long certification process. 

He: My 'main squeeze' is a doctor that wants to practice in the US.
We: That's a long, tough process buddy and could be quite expensive.
He: ahh.. :brightidea: gotcha~






 

[Turboguy]

He: My 'main squeeze' is a doctor that wants to practice in the US.
We: That's a long, tough process buddy and could be quite expensive.
He: ahh.. :brightidea: gotcha~
 

Worse yet BC,  a doctor that wants to practice in the US and has bad teeth.  Hummm, big, big, bucks.  I agree, what she does is not important to me.

[andrewfi]

I remember a while back, it was 'fashionable' for guys to seek out women who were doctors in the FSU. They had the idea that it was a fast route to an easy life.

I met one such guy a couple of years ago. He was the only man I have ever met from whom I turned around and walked away from. He was one of the most unpleasant men I have ever met.

One good thing was that he had discovered just how hard it was for is wife to gain a well salaried post, he had discovered, like others before and since that it is very hard for a doctor to get a post if one is not young enough. He felt himslef somewhat cheated and so, in a perverse sort of revenge, he was busy here in Tallinn, being unfaithful to his wife, with as many women as he could find who were willing to spend time with him and to share bodily fluids.

Anyhoo, I am sure that it is theoretically possible to requalify in a shorter period of time than 7-8 years. But frankly, if a woman was well enough qualifed and good enough at English, she would not need marriage to an American to secure foreign employment. There are agencies aplenty willing to employ, or provide employment for doctors from most countries of the FSU. As usual, the ones left behind are the ones who NEED a mule and those ones are not going to be the ones getting requalified in a hurry.

Another point to bear in mind, unless one is normally dating women with a professional background and training, or the intellectual capacity to carry out such a career, then it may well be that Mr Lazy Hornyboy is not going to be a good match for such a woman. Thus the question once again becomes: if you can already do it, why on earth would you look overseas? And the corollary: if you can't do it now with your peers, what makes you think a Russian woman will be easier to find?

It seems to me that a woman who is focussed, from the outset, on career, rather than adaptation, relationship building etc probably has a different agenda than her professed one of love and marriage.

[Turboguy]

Damn Bruno, how did you ever get time to work for a living with all that studying.  You probably have more education than jb does.

[Bruno]

Damn Bruno, how did you ever get time to work for a living with all that studying.

A big part of my study was pay by my work... i go to school and receive my usual salary... And a A2C is only one full year school, but you can only make it is you have make a basic A2 before ( 6 years )... for a A2C, you have not more course of history, geography, language, etc... since you have already study it for usual A2...

The course of gardener was pay by my previous employer, the army... it is due to a program who allow older military personal to start a new civil life...

You probably have more education than jb does.

Don't be so sure... JB have work for the petrol industry during a long periode... Technic have change a lot during these long periode and i am almost sure that JB have follow some extern or intern formation for keep himself up to date... someone who work at a high level never stop his education... So, since JB is older that me, i am almost sure that he have more education that me...

Of course, having more education don't mean that he is right when he make post here 

[Michelangelo]

Anyhoo, I am sure that it is theoretically possible to requalify in a shorter period of time than 7-8 years. But frankly, if a woman was well enough qualified and good enough at English, she would not need marriage to an American to secure foreign employment.

I agree, Andrew.  I also think it is difficult to make the move from foreign doc to US doc.  But I was simply posting about the requirements, and that repeating medical school is not required.

But there all kinds of people in the world, and people want different things.  But the avenue to being a doc in the US is certainly open to foreign docs, and the requirements are set in stone and clearcut.  Lindochichka nailed them down for us.

[andrewfi]

Something that has not been mentioned in this thread is this:

In Russia there are somewhat different gradations of professional qualification. There are those in Russia who are called 'doctor', at least in English, but who do not have the kind of training that would merit the appellation in the UK, or US. IIRC it is possible to have a professional medical qualification, in Russia at least, in just two years of training, follwing university. I am no expert, but my recalled understanding is that this equates to something like we have in the UK, where we have nurses who are involved in patient management and who can prescribe drugs etc. We call these people nurses, not doctors. In Russia these people are referred to as doctors.

There are also many 'doctors' whose training came from the army. These people are again not what we would call doctors, no matter what they might call themselves...

Now, should such a 'doctor' wish to practice medicine in the UK, or US, (s)he would have to undergo a full training programme. Of course, there are many more of these lower grade 'doctors' than there are fully qualified ones and I hazard a guess that this means that most wife hunters would be more likely to meet these types of women than proper clinicians.

If one looks in the archives one will find plenty of references to this issue, one would probably need to look back perhaps 4-5 years. The doctor importing fashion was rife back then. I wonder just how many men were taken in by promises of huge incomes based upon the hopes of their 'wives' and their own greedy self delusion?

[Michelangelo]

True, in the US we call these health care providers PAs, or Physician Assistants.  They are everywhere, from small clinics to assistants to renowned surgeons.  They tend to be very good, but just don't have full medical school training or credentials.  We don't call them "doctor."

In my post, I was referring to FSU doctors who graduated from Medical School.  I was not referring to their equivalent of our PA.


PA Education

Q. How is a Physician Assistant educated?
A.  Physician assistants are educated in intensive medical programs accredited by the Accreditation Review Commission on Education for the Physician Assistant (ARC-PA). The average PA program curriculum runs approximately 26 months. There are currently more than 130 accredited programs.  All PA programs must meet the same ARC-PA standards.

Because of the close working relationship PAs have with physicians, PAs are educated in a medical model designed to complement physician training.  PA students are taught, as are medical students, to diagnose and treat medical problems.

Education consists of classroom and laboratory instruction in the basic medical and behavioral sciences (such as anatomy, pharmacology, pathophysiology, clinical medicine, and physical diagnosis), followed by clinical rotations in internal medicine, family medicine, surgery, pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology, emergency medicine, and geriatric medicine.

A PA's education doesn't stop after graduation, though.  PAs are required to take ongoing continuing medical education classes and be retested on their clinical skills on a regular basis.  A number of postgraduate PA programs have also been established to provide practicing PAs with advanced education in medical specialties.

[jb]

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[Son of Clyde]

T/G,

Bruno is a dumb ugly Belgium gardner with bad teeth, and at least 3 or 4 failed RW relationships in his recent history we know of. 

Am I the only one who was offended by this insult on a member who has never intended you any harm? You could be the Don Rickles of RWD but at least Don backed up his comments with a sense of humor.

I have seen pictures of your wife and she is quite attractive. Where did Bruno enter into the picture? I know T/G was joking with you, but for you to insult Bruno is inexcusable in my opinion.