Status Failure

[Trenchcoat]

I don't know why you stuck around in Nikolaev. Not much to do there, you can only sit in an outdoor café and watch the pretty girls walk by the main street only so long. I don't mind Jone's suggestion of going to concert, something to stay busy and out in the limelight. I would never stick around Nikolaev if I wasn't already with a girl. Did you know that Nikolaev is known for having the most agencies in any city of Ukraine? As far as speaking to girls just out and about, very few speak any type of English........ can be frustrating trying to communicate. Agency 'dates' can be $40-$50 a pop and interpreter $10-$15 an hour.

You would have had more fun in Odessa canvasing the beaches!!! But many here think Odessa is to be avoided.

I have the hotel booked here, only for four nights though so 3 and a bit days in total. Was in Odessa for a day before this and will be for part of a day after basically to check out Odessa along the way and because that is where the airport is. I could go back to Odessa early but getting another night in a decent hotel at this stage I don't know so as its not long thought I might as well check it out here. There is not much here just the main town centre high street with the McDonald's  (McDonald's busy though, crambed full & noisy not my scene) where the very numerous glamorzons parade up and down. Funny even girl I met said it was so boring here and before I came she insisted I meet her here rather than Odessa and questioned why only 3 days, although she was alright to talk to I wonder whether she might be a bit odd up top, her emails could be a little odd at times. I will go to concert tonight as Jone suggests but also hang out in town centre also.

[Trenchcoat]

Anyone know of any decent agencies in Nikolaev on the off chance?

Not sure I'm that keen on trying agencies but who knows. Will probably just hang out and check out Nikolaev further for remainder. DK might be right in some regards, it takes a few days to aclimatise out.  here, with a place where English is not that well acustomed the culture can feel a bit heavy at times. This makes approaching a bit more reluctant than usual and sometimes there I am not as forward as perhaps I should.

I would say English more widely spoken in Odessa main city centre, not that much in Nikolaev, a couple of girls in the hotel speak good English. I'm finding those girls that speak good English tend to be of far better disposition towards md than those that dont generally. I think it is perhaps as they are more willing to let go off there culture & a want to embrace English culture. So a girl with good English highly increases chances I think.

Nikolaev for me for a few days is not so bad, the architecture  (old Soviet style tenement blocks & European style town centre) is of interest to me. A bit gloomy with the Soviet blocks though, lol. I definitely think I'll stick to the airport cities of the FSU in future though as far more convenient and more English Speakers.

[msmobyone]

TC

try and hook up with this guy

http://billgreen54.wordpress.com/about-billgreen54-nikolaev/

Apologies if someone has already advised you

He is an American- was living there in 2015 - knows the scene

http://www.facebook.com/Billgreen54

Bill advertises his contact details....

Larisa School of Language Nikolaev Ukraine
63 Shevchenko and Sovietskaya Nikolaev, Ukraine 54001
Office phone 380-512-71-71-96 Bill’s Mobile 38097-856-22-68
Skype Billgreen54 and Larisaschooloflanguage

[LAman]

TC

try and hook up with this guy

http://billgreen54.wordpress.com/about-billgreen54-nikolaev/

Apologies if someone has already advised you

He is an American- was living there in 2015 - knows the scene

http://www.facebook.com/Billgreen54

Bill advertises his contact details....

Larisa School of Language Nikolaev Ukraine
63 Shevchenko and Sovietskaya Nikolaev, Ukraine 54001
Office phone 380-512-71-71-96 Bill’s Mobile 38097-856-22-68
Skype Billgreen54 and Larisaschooloflanguage

Been living there a number of years now.... probably 5-6. His wife's name is Larisa.

[jone]

Well, if you meet Gary, probably best not to meet Bill (or the other way around).  They don't get along too well.  LOL.

[Trenchcoat]

Thanks for the links guys, will follow up later perhaps as almost out of time here.

Well today went to the Naval Museum, smallish, decent enough but not real riveting. No young women there only old babushkas whose main task it seemed was to turn off the lights after leaving each room an. d giving me a beady eye. Have they not heard of PIR!

After that took my mission back to the main high street. Sat in some restaurants & ordered some food & drink, tried to be as English as possible wore a Tee with English fashion brand though I notice an odd few girls wears tops with English writing on but I got the impression there Russian. I generally get the impression that many arnt exactly enthusiast about meeting English. If anything I encountered more enthusiasm for meeting English in Odessa in the main. Again here those that were seem mainly to be the ones with a high level command of English.

That is what my research dug up. Grocery stores arnt often great as attitudes are often fairly grim in them for the most part. Restaurants can be a bit better but depends on who you get. The best I have found tends to be the hotel receptionists and hotel restaurant staff, not always some are not so good at all but often they have a nice restaurant girl or receptionist hanging around. If she seems to gel and it is not just her doing her job and being polite then maybe if the chemistry is there.

I think definately targeting in on those that have a high command or at least commitment to English language is key it shows an empathy to connect with our culture and that is very important I think not just trying to connect with there's with people that may have no interest in English people. On that front sonething like Language school teacher for a short while is probably not a bad idea as you'll get to meet all the right types I'm thinking (no I wouldn't do it as a business though too heavy going no doubt). Basically looking for someone open to us and our culture whatever the path is the way to go I think.

[BillyB]

Basically looking for someone open to us and our culture whatever the path is the way to go I think.

That's fine and dandy but none of that is any good if the girl is not willing to open her legs for you. Find women that are atracted to you, date them and have fun, then figure out if you can build a life with them. Time is running out. How many girls have you dated on this trip so far? Hope it's more than one.

[msmobyone]

It's VERY common to see Union Flags on FSU t-shirts, tops, etc.,

I am constantly shocked by it's popularity worldwide...despite 'our'  colonialist past

Being British hasn't been a issue for me

[ML]

It's VERY common to see Union Flags on FSU t-shirts, tops, etc.,

I am constantly shocked by it's popularity worldwide...despite 'our'  colonialist past

That's because the unwashed masses still think the UK is the most important country in the world . . . not aware that this is the forte of the USA.

[Trenchcoat]

It's VERY common to see Union Flags on FSU t-shirts, tops, etc.,

I am constantly shocked by it's popularity worldwide...despite 'our'  colonialist past

Being British hasn't been a issue for me

Not British flags as such (I know this can be common in some places but not at all here) just  English writing mainly with the women, positive statement kind of thing women seem to like, you know you get it on pictures sold back home, clouds with silver linings etc. Not many, just the odd few. I guessing they would have been one's more to approach as English leaning perhaps. Still I didn't get much in the way of looks that I noticed. Think one woman with another did a little as I was sat down eating as they walked past but I was occupied in any case, should have really just ordered a glass of water I guess so I could move on the quick will remember next time. Also had a couple of down & outs come up & beg for money as they could see I was having a meal, not the kind of interest I was after, lol.

In general though I get the impression that a lot of locals (not all) just don't like the English in Nikolaev, few seem to want to engage and the looks you get, moreso from the men quite hostile looks some of them, but also the women. Found Odessa far more welcoming to the English than Nikolaev, some of the guys a bit offish looks there but nowhere near as bad as Nikolaev. Like LAman said above little point hanging around Nikolaev as Odessa a better bet I think and more convenient too relationship wise would save travelling out to her. Nikolaev has some nice/slightly interesting scenery but Odessa has beach

[HoundDaddyLee]

Not British flags as such (I know this can be common in some places but not at all here) just  English writing mainly with the women, positive statement kind of thing women seem to like, you know you get it on pictures sold back home, clouds with silver linings etc. Not many, just the odd few. I guessing they would have been one's more to approach as English leaning perhaps. Still I didn't get much in the way of looks that I noticed. Think one woman with another did a little as I was sat down eating as they walked past but I was occupied in any case, should have really just ordered a glass of water I guess so I could move on the quick will remember next time. Also had a couple of down & outs come up & beg for money as they could see I was having a meal, not the kind of interest I was after, lol.

In general though I get the impression that a lot of locals (not all) just don't like the English in Nikolaev, few seem to want to engage and the looks you get, moreso from the men quite hostile looks some of them, but also the women. Found Odessa far more welcoming to the English than Nikolaev, some of the guys a bit offish looks there but nowhere near as bad as Nikolaev. Like LAman said above little point hanging around Nikolaev as Odessa a better bet I think and more convenient too relationship wise would save travelling out to her. Nikolaev has some nice/slightly interesting scenery but Odessa has beach

This is nothing like my or many others experience in Nikolaev. I really think your shyness is hurting you. No matter where I have been in FSU (or behind the Iron Curtain) I can strike up a conversation. With men or women. I rarely have to buy my drinks as they ask me to join them with their bottle of vodka/tequila whatever.


You seem like a normal bloke. You need to work on your interpersonal skills. When I was in university, I was very shy. But fortunately, I have been able to travel a lot for for career. Spending endless hours in airports you with either go insane or learn to talk to strangers. Also in my job I am required to give customer presentations and early in my career I was sent to a public speaking course. Maybe taking a course in your city would help with your shyness? If this cannot be conquered, I recommend a wingman/interpreter to go out and about with you on your next trip.


I wish I knew what the magic switch is to make people gregarious, but I don't. Seriously, this is something you need to fix. Feel free to reach out to me via PM and I can try to give you some tips.


Good luck,
HDL

[Trenchcoat]

This is nothing like my or many others experience in Nikolaev. I really think your shyness is hurting you. No matter where I have been in FSU (or behind the Iron Curtain) I can strike up a conversation. With men or women. I rarely have to buy my drinks as they ask me to join them with their bottle of vodka/tequila whatever.


You seem like a normal bloke. You need to work on your interpersonal skills. When I was in university, I was very shy. But fortunately, I have been able to travel a lot for for career. Spending endless hours in airports you with either go insane or learn to talk to strangers. Also in my job I am required to give customer presentations and early in my career I was sent to a public speaking course. Maybe taking a course in your city would help with your shyness? If this cannot be conquered, I recommend a wingman/interpreter to go out and about with you on your next trip.


I wish I knew what the magic switch is to make people gregarious, but I don't. Seriously, this is something you need to fix. Feel free to reach out to me via PM and I can try to give you some tips.


Good luck,
HDL

Wouldn't really class myself as that shy, perhaps as a kid. I guess I am not particularly socially skilled, some people just seem to know what to say and when to say it as a natural reaction, in their genes I think, lucky buggers. So for those types getting numbers by being PUA's no doubt is a great benefit and potential quick win, like 2tallbill perhaps. Me I can talk to people and do but it won't have the same affect as a person who is a natural with social skills and I am doubtful it can ever fully be learned. I know when people are not or less likely to be receptive and that is important too I think. People need to be open to you, more so if you are not naturally socially skilled I think as in my case. A naturally socially skilled person will shine like a light almost anywhere no matter what the social environment is around them, for the less socially skilled this does not occur. I need to have a decent social environment around me to stand a chance. People that are not open to English culture and can't communicate in fully developed conversations in English are going to be a real difficulty for me. I need to reduce the difficulties and use a practical method to get me closer to connecting to those open to me.

[BillyB]

I guess I am not particularly socially skilled, some people just seem to know what to say and when to say it as a natural reaction, in their genes I think, lucky buggers.

Go out and practice. You'll get better at it. Keep in mind, the ladies you are approaching most likely aren't on dating sites. Don't interview them as if they're going to be your future wife. Talk to them as if you want them to be your friend. Don't reject them because you think they're not right for you while you talk to them. If they're talking to you, the goal is to end the conversation with another meeting. Sometimes I'm talking to a beautiful girl. The conversation could be going smooth but I won't let it get to the point it drags on too long. I will tell the lady I have to go but would like to talk to continue the conversation and ask for her number or schedule a date later in the day or next day.

You will get rejected more than you'll find success. Don't let rejection stop you from progressing on to another lady. Don't let rejection and disappointment control how you look and talk because you will look and sound bad when you talk to the next lady.

[HoundDaddyLee]

Wouldn't really class myself as that shy, perhaps as a kid. I guess I am not particularly socially skilled, some people just seem to know what to say and when to say it as a natural reaction, in their genes I think, lucky buggers. So for those types getting numbers by being PUA's no doubt is a great benefit and potential quick win, like 2tallbill perhaps. Me I can talk to people and do but it won't have the same affect as a person who is a natural with social skills and I am doubtful it can ever fully be learned. I know when people are not or less likely to be receptive and that is important too I think. People need to be open to you, more so if you are not naturally socially skilled I think as in my case. A naturally socially skilled person will shine like a light almost anywhere no matter what the social environment is around them, for the less socially skilled this does not occur. I need to have a decent social environment around me to stand a chance. People that are not open to English culture and can't communicate in fully developed conversations in English are going to be a real difficulty for me. I need to reduce the difficulties and use a practical method to get me closer to connecting to those open to me.

Nothing about how I interact with people is "game" or PUA stuff. It is just talking to people. It can be learned. As Billy says you just need to get out and talk to people. Social awkwardness is a form of shyness. You need to get over this or you will have difficulty finding a FSU lady. In my experience, they expect the man to take the lead. Your mileage may vary. But if you cannot strike up a conversation with a women in Nikolaev, you are going to have issues. Even if they don't have good English you both will have smart phones with Google Translate. My advice, work on your self. Meet someone through fdating.com or Mamba and Skype daily with them. Develop a rapport or make sure there is chemistry there before you go visit her.


Good luck,
HDL

[Trenchcoat]

Nothing about how I interact with people is "game" or PUA stuff. It is just talking to people. It can be learned. As Billy says you just need to get out and talk to people. Social awkwardness is a form of shyness. You need to get over this or you will have difficulty finding a FSU lady. In my experience, they expect the man to take the lead. Your mileage may vary. But if you cannot strike up a conversation with a women in Nikolaev, you are going to have issues. Even if they don't have good English you both will have smart phones with Google Translate. My advice, work on your self. Meet someone through fdating.com or Mamba and Skype daily with them. Develop a rapport or make sure there is chemistry there before you go visit her.


Good luck,
HDL

Doing more Skype and developing a deeper relationship before visiting is a good idea HDL I will do that. I am normally fine in talking when meeting girl if we have become acquainted online already, still need the chemistry though. I think first girl I should have Skype with more but all the experience gained from these trips has really been an assets but of course still haven't cracked it yet. I think I have a better idea of how and where to target myself in the future, refining the process and what to go for and avoid. I will update on this here when I get back. I think on the PUA front and social situations where I don't know the people my mind tends to go blank, like some people get at the beginning of an exam. If I do say something I think it tends to be too formal - work stuff, or stufflike asking for something, directions, which open a bit but don't often get you far, etc. Can 've similar in social situations where I don't know people well and they kick something off which takes me aback a bit and again my mind goes blank.

[Trenchcoat]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

[LAman]

Nothing about how I interact with people is "game" or PUA stuff. It is just talking to people. It can be learned. As Billy says you just need to get out and talk to people. Social awkwardness is a form of shyness. You need to get over this or you will have difficulty finding a FSU lady. In my experience, they expect the man to take the lead. Your mileage may vary. But if you cannot strike up a conversation with a women in Nikolaev, you are going to have issues. Even if they don't have good English you both will have smart phones with Google Translate. My advice, work on your self. Meet someone through fdating.com or Mamba and Skype daily with them. Develop a rapport or make sure there is chemistry there before you go visit her.


Good luck,
HDL

I disagree, if the girl's English is very poor doesn't matter IF you have Google Translate, your conversations will be so choppy and no flow to them that it will not be very interesting. I just as soon get a translator at that point.
Now if girl has good English skills or if guy's Russian skills are good, then it is okay to look up a word or two to finish a sentence or thought. I think a good flow in conversations is important. Too many girls out there to have to 'work' to speak to a girl.

I do think chemistry is more important when meeting and spending time in person. What you develop in video/talking is a comfortableness, easiness in developing a rapport toward each other.

[Trenchcoat]

I disagree, if the girl's English is very poor doesn't matter IF you have Google Translate, your conversations will be so choppy and no flow to them that it will not be very interesting. I just as soon get a translator at that point.
Now if girl has good English skills or if guy's Russian skills are good, then it is okay to look up a word or two to finish a sentence or thought. I think a good flow in conversations is important. Too many girls out there to have to 'work' to speak to a girl.

I do think chemistry is more important when meeting and spending time in person. What you develop in video/talking is a comfortableness, easiness in developing a rapport toward each other.

I agree here also. My experience of girls that don't have a high command of English is often choppyness and a conversation suffers from lack of flow and diminishes your chance of bouncing off each other energy. Theoretically you could have a girl turn up with chemistry without good English but it would make it a hard task I think whatever the current aides in getting a relationship out of it, I mean practically. For me culture of FSU isn't always easy so girl knowing English really breaks down this hard barrier for me.

[LAman]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

красивая!!

Добрый день

Ты говоришь по-английски? (if speak English, continue in English)

Могу ли я взять фотографию?

Меня зовут ХХХХХХ
как зовут

girl speaks her/their names

Очень приятно.

пока( if only speaks Russian)

Easy to have pick-up lines but when girls answers back.......or asks a question, your treading....

[mhr7]

пока????

You're not going to get a date by using that word so quickly in the conversation.

If she speaks English, tell her she is posing wrong and show her how to really pose (then do some goofy,stupid pose to make her laugh) and continue the conversation from there. If she doesn't speak English just keep walking.

[Jumper]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

hey you never pmed me any of your info , over  the translator possible date for you in niko. Likely too late now?  If available she would have been hard to not have a great convo with, quite an interesting outgoing person, and yes pretty.


Your Odessa scenario I wouldn't know, I don't use PUA tactics or have a set  group of *lines* , just something that comes to me in the moment.
I'm normally  flippant about the outcome , so most anything might come out .
Its not unusual for women to talk to me,ask me a question out of nowhere, or give an extra glance, though, so i din't have to have openers really.

I'd probably have said  something like-
 Hello- establish language to use, - then-
excuse me can you take my photo also? (to her friend) and hand her my cell.
Depending on reaction (body language etc) I'd say-
 you could put your, and your friends, numbers in there  and done so intentionally over the top so they'd know i wasn't actually serious, and ready to go with my day, which in my experience if sincere, makes it far more likely they'd either continue to chat.. or put their numbers in.
  I met a RW once by asking her if she would introduce me to her friend,
(she had a lady bug on her arm) she looked puzzled (and perplexed/annoyed  at the intrusion) until i pointed it out , and she laughed, there ya go!
  Often timing is everything,but just being open to such possibilities and getting yourself out there  really helps.

[ML]

Just walk up to woman in a store.

Ask her if she knows where the condoms (preservatives) are.

Then ask her which color or design she prefers.

[BillyB]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

It's always tougher to approach a lady is she is with a friend. One thing I do know is if you don't approach her, your chances to get a date with her are zero. On one of my trips to Kiev, I seen a beautiful girl walking around Maidan Square with her friend. They were sightseeing like I was except they were looking at sights and I were looking at women. When they stopped to look at a building, I approached them, introduced myself and shook their hands. I told them I was a tourist and asked what are some of the best things to see and do in Kiev. I focused the conversation to the girl I was most interested in. She was the only one that spoke English and told me they're college students from other cities. She was from Nikolaev. I asked what she's studying and it was architecture and I told her I work in construction so the conversation took off from there. I told them I have to go but would like to invite them to a café and they agreed. We toured the city and went on multiple dates. I called her often when I got back home. She was happy to meet me but confessed she has a boyfriend and was feeling guilty so it ended.

Another time I was sitting in a café and me and this one gal made eye contact a lot and we smiled at each other often. She was sitting with two friends, one a girl and one a guy. I studied the situation carefully to make sure the guy was not her boyfriend. I wanted to approach her but I notice their table was in a spot where they would have to pass by me to leave and they were almost done eating. When she walked by me I said "Excuse me, I know you're leaving and don't have time to talk but I would like to call you later." I was pulling out my pen as I said this. She smiled, nodded her head and wrote her number on a napkin. I showed my family and friends this girl's photos and they said she's the best looking FSU woman I've dated. My wife is second best looking but don't tell her I wrote this.

It's easier to approach ladies who are alone of course. I was sitting in a café and noticed a pretty lady sitting alone and reading a book. She smiles at me so I know she likes what she sees. I approach her and asked if I could sit down. She said "yes". Bad accent but we had a good conversation. I could tell she like me because she was nervous and twirled her hair a lot. She was playing with something small in her fingers and she dropped it in her cleavage. Each one of her breasts were the size of her head. Amazing cleavage. She didn't go digging for it and I didn't offer to help. When we got up to leave, she used the restroom. I assumed it was to remove the item in her cleavage. She came out of the restroom with more cosmetics on. She had to go to college so I offered my arm and she took it and I walked her to the metro and kissed her on the cheek goodbye.

Trenchcoat, you need to take control of every opportunity that presents itself otherwise your competition is going to get all the girls.

[Trenchcoat]

hey you never pmed me any of your info , over  the translator possible date for you in niko. Likely too late now?  If available she would have been hard to not have a great convo with, quite an interesting outgoing person, and yes pretty.


Your Odessa scenario I wouldn't know, I don't use PUA tactics or have a set  group of *lines* , just something that comes to me in the moment.
I'm normally  flippant about the outcome , so most anything might come out .
Its not unusual for women to talk to me,ask me a question out of nowhere, or give an extra glance, though, so i din't have to have openers really.

I'd probably have said  something like-
 Hello- establish language to use, - then-
excuse me can you take my photo also? (to her friend) and hand her my cell.
Depending on reaction (body language etc) I'd say-
 you could put your, and your friends, numbers in there  and done so intentionally over the top so they'd know i wasn't actually serious, and ready to go with my day, which in my experience if sincere, makes it far more likely they'd either continue to chat.. or put their numbers in.
  I met a RW once by asking her if she would introduce me to her friend,
(she had a lady bug on her arm) she looked puzzled (and perplexed/annoyed  at the intrusion) until i pointed it out , and she laughed, there ya go!
  Often timing is everything,but just being open to such possibilities and getting yourself out there  really helps.

Hey Jumper, there good examples Could be useful to many of us. See that is not the way I normally think, I might have asked if she would like me to take the photo of her which would probably come across as either socially awkward, knock back,  or acceptance but not leading anywhere. So it helps a lot knowing how someone no doubt more naturally socially skilled then myself would approach this situation. Going up and doing this I would likely be fine with, though might be at ease most with just one glass of wine before setting off on  day of PUI, lol.

Well,  Nikolaev I decided to go with the hanging out option since I was just there for a short while longer and glean what I could about society & culture there. Didn't get any women come up to me while doing this, used English and wore an English printed Tee, fashion brand stuff. So would have to have done approach, but prefer this in area where more English is spoken to increase success potential. Anyway, being in area all helps experience wise I think as plenty to learn.

Perhaps I should have taken you up on your offer it was kind of you, I just decided to do alternative as it can get heavy going in a culture which is not so touristy. I kind of prefer to keep anonymity also.

Anyway, girls posing for photos around Odessa very common, probably more so than Nikolaev where they tend to hurry up and down the main high street a lot. All this experience has been worthwhile though and have learnt how better to approach the whole dating situation so should go better next time Almost done out here now.

[Trenchcoat]

It's always tougher to approach a lady is she is with a friend. One thing I do know is if you don't approach her, your chances to get a date with her are zero. On one of my trips to Kiev, I seen a beautiful girl walking around Maidan Square with her friend. They were sightseeing like I was except they were looking at sights and I were looking at women. When they stopped to look at a building, I approached them, introduced myself and shook their hands. I told them I was a tourist and asked what are some of the best things to see and do in Kiev. I focused the conversation to the girl I was most interested in. She was the only one that spoke English and told me they're college students from other cities. She was from Nikolaev. I asked what she's studying and it was architecture and I told her I work in construction so the conversation took off from there. I told them I have to go but would like to invite them to a café and they agreed. We toured the city and went on multiple dates. I called her often when I got back home. She was happy to meet me but confessed she has a boyfriend and was feeling guilty so it ended.

Another time I was sitting in a café and me and this one gal made eye contact a lot and we smiled at each other often. She was sitting with two friends, one a girl and one a guy. I studied the situation carefully to make sure the guy was not her boyfriend. I wanted to approach her but I notice their table was in a spot where they would have to pass by me to leave and they were almost done eating. When she walked by me I said "Excuse me, I know you're leaving and don't have time to talk but I would like to call you later." I was pulling out my pen as I said this. She smiled, nodded her head and wrote her number on a napkin. I showed my family and friends this girl's photos and they said she's the best looking FSU woman I've dated. My wife is second best looking but don't tell her I wrote this.

It's easier to approach ladies who are alone of course. I was sitting in a café and noticed a pretty lady sitting alone and reading a book. She smiles at me so I know she likes what she sees. I approach her and asked if I could sit down. She said "yes". Bad accent but we had a good conversation. I could tell she like me because she was nervous and twirled her hair a lot. She was playing with something small in her fingers and she dropped it in her cleavage. Each one of her breasts were the size of her head. Amazing cleavage. She didn't go digging for it and I didn't offer to help. When we got up to leave, she used the restroom. I assumed it was to remove the item in her cleavage. She came out of the restroom with more cosmetics on. She had to go to college so I offered my arm and she took it and I walked her to the metro and kissed her on the cheek goodbye.

Trenchcoat, you need to take control of every opportunity that presents itself otherwise your competition is going to get all the girls.

Your dead right in my needing to take control of every opportunity BillyB, my lack of being socially skilled has tended to mean that this has not been achieved. i.e knowing how to go about in these situation so this all helps a lot.

The top example would be ideal for me, since Architecture is what I have studied and is essentially what I do. So although this example could happen almost anywhere I'm thinking if I plumb for a Architecturally strong city like St. Petersburg next time (was original intention but got sidetracked into random girl location approach) then I will have an abundance of these opportunities to work off. Also with SPB being a city with a lot of English Speakers that too should help with the success rate I think. Many thanks