Status Failure

[Patagonie]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

I will rush to be beside the girl being photographied. Like marriage style.
Of course they will be surprised and will start to laugh.
After fun you propose to take picture of both of them. It's impossible them to refuse such thing in FSU.
Start to ask some question about her dress and propose to drink something saying you have 10 minutes free and take the phone number of the one you like the most. Set up a possible other date and during all the meeting find the signs of interest (of both girls, perhaps the one you saw at first sight will be not the one interested in you).

[Trenchcoat]

I will rush to be beside the girl being photographied. Like marriage style.
Of course they will be surprised and will start to laugh.
After fun you propose to take picture of both of them. It's impossible them to refuse such thing in FSU.
Start to ask some question about her dress and propose to drink something saying you have 10 minutes free and take the phone number of the one you like the most. Set up a possible other date and during all the meeting find the signs of interest (of both girls, perhaps the one you saw at first sight will be not the one interested in you).

Not bad, not quite as good as Jumpers I think though as this would call for a bold opening that in reality some of us might not be at ease with, but it's not too way out. I think Jumpers one had quite an easy smooth opening which many of the less socially able of us would feel at ease with putting into practice. Asking about her dress may not be a bad idea tastefully done or wittyly or something I think they may take well enough to that. Good suggestions.

[Gator]

Put if this way, a scenario here for PUA's on here, bragging rights as usual to the best answer

Your in central Odessa walking by a park and you see a beautiful girl in a red dress (hopefully old enough) being taken picture of by her lady friend, what would you say to chat to her? (realistically in reality, that won't be socially awkward, make you look an oddball, be overly exaggerated extrovert nutter, but offer a reasonable opener and discussion developer)

Pat and Jumper gave good answers.  Similarly, walk around an interesting area and when you see a woman (or group of women), hand her your camera, say "polshasta," and make a motion asking them to take a photo of you standing in front of the interesting place. After they take your photo, look at the image and say "ochen herasha" while looking at the image....and then look them in the eye and say "spasibo" in a deep voice.  Then turn on your magic.  What magic is that?

Its not unusual for women to talk to me,ask me a question out of nowhere, or give an extra glance, though, so i din't have to have openers really.

Trenchcoat,

Jumper is blessed to be have born with a handsome face, so women will glance at him.  More is needed, however, to prompt her curiosity and to persuade her to open up and talk.  From reading Jumper for over 10 years, I imagine he does it with relaxed charm and other qualities.

Everyone has two faces, the one they are born with and the one they make.   I do not have Jumper's good looks, yet I do okay in making contact and progressing through  the next few moments.  This is how (I imagine Jumper may do the same):   

1.  Coming across as relaxed yet friendly in a subdued manner (making the woman feel comfortable, lowering her subconscious defense).

2.   Projecting an attitude of reserved confidence (important with FSUW).

3.   Not making the encounter a critical moment (if she snubs me, so what, there are hundreds of women). 

Trenchcoat, develop your second face.  This may sound silly but you need to practice.  Practice with one of your friends' wives.  My stepson practiced with my son's girlfriend.  We all had a good laugh, but more important my stepson learned much such as he was too intense.  He did better when treating her the same as if she were a male his age.

Of course this goes nowhere if she does not speak English.  Sorry.

And if Jumper is nearby, it goes nowhere.   Decades ago I played flag football every Sunday with some friends.  Four of us usually would have lunch afterwards.  One day at the cafe some pretty women at a nearby table were studying us and whispering to each other.  We smiled and gave a look of interest.  "Barry" stood up from our table and went to the rest room.  Almost immediately, one woman stood up from that table and walked to our table.   Hallelujah!  In such moments, the future of one's life has been decided.  She stood in front of us.  She leaned over and  spoke.   "Hi guys!.............Is your friend married?" 

[Trenchcoat]

Thanks Gator,  Yeah I think starting of slow and steady with a few not too way out approaches that could yield results is the way to go since as it may be several women you try this on being too overboard at the outset may not work too  well.

I think this subject may be worthy of spinning off into a separate PUA thread on typical scenarios that one may encounter and realistic, simple, down to earth responses that could help pick up a girl in the situation, like we have above. Could really help many on here I think, as I am learning its not just focusing on the online dating alone. Many of the stuff you see on You tube is too over the top to be pulled off well enough by those not socially skilled or as the link Dk put up is too little in terms of getting anything meaningful out of it as if your fine approaching people asking for general stuff/enquiries which I am then that seems to fulfil the being able to approach part. It's knowing what may yield a deeper response without having to be a way out comedian or entertainer that is what's needed I feel.

[ML]

Interesting stories from the guys who picked up gals or at least got phone numbers etc.

I rarely did that;  two reasons.

1) I spent huge amount of time before my WMVM trips lining up the women I was going to meet.
2) Because of (1), I really didn't have 'empty' time on my schedule to fit anyone else in, so didn't try.

However, I did meet some women in an unplanned fashion.
i.e. In corridors outside my apartment, in elevators or waiting for elevators, in grocery stores, etc.

I am not handsome like some others here, so I have to rely on my charm, wit and humor.  Luckily, my consulting career has given me the skills to be very comfortable immediately around strangers of both genders.  When you are always going into new situations and meeting new people, you must develop these skills or you will not succeed. 

So I have never been 'afraid' or awkward around females.  I can generally always make them smile with a few words.

For anyone who is awkward around women, I would suggest purposely putting yourself into situations where you must interact with them intensively.  This could involve clubs heavily attended by females and other such activities.  For instance a garden club, Pilates exercise group, etc.

[BillyB]

The top example would be ideal for me, since Architecture is what I have studied and is essentially what I do. So although this example could happen almost anywhere I'm thinking if I plumb for a Architecturally strong city like St. Petersburg next time (was original intention but got sidetracked into random girl location approach) then I will have an abundance of these opportunities to work off. Also with SPB being a city with a lot of English Speakers that too should help with the success rate I think. Many thanks

Going to St. Petersburg to find a woman that likes architecture is not the answer. Most women aren't going to have a strong background in architecture anywhere. If you approach a woman, you will have no idea what her interests are. If she talks to you, you have to quickly process the information you're hearing so you can guide what she's saying into further conversation. Chances are she's not going to say she's looking at architecture so be ready for any answer and expand on it. If you approach a woman nervous or feel you're going to get rejected, it will show, she may think you're weird, and you will get rejected. If you're a quality man, you have nothing to worry about. Women would love to have a guy like you.

[Patagonie]

Going to St. Petersburg to find a woman that likes architecture is not the answer. Most women aren't going to have a strong background in architecture anywhere. If you approach a woman, you will have no idea what her interests are. If she talks to you, you have to quickly process the information you're hearing so you can guide what she's saying into further conversation. Chances are she's not going to say she's looking at architecture so be ready for any answer and expand on it. If you approach a woman nervous or feel you're going to get rejected, it will show, she may think you're weird, and you will get rejected. If you're a quality man, you have nothing to worry about. Women would love to have a guy like you.

+1
You have two ways as a player to approach women : static openers and dynamic openers.
The first one are teached to allow you to have automatic material when you approach women, so you know the first lines of your book.
 That helps you to take away as possible the fear. However in FSU, that's very different, they don't speak english or only a few, and the culture is different. So if you apply what is done in the west you would like a weirdo.

The dynamic openers depend all of the environment. That's the best. You put directly the focus of something that depends of what is happening. If she is choosing some chocolate at the supermaket, ask her which black chocolate is the best, if she is waiting for the bus ask her how much time it's needed to go the center, if she is buying some bread at the shop ask her if it tastes like french bread, if she knows a shop that sells such bread, ask her if she has already been in France...
Everything helps you to rebound and raises her interest, or to check if her interest is reciprocal. If not, don't be impolite and leave.
The most important is to be social and to talk to every stranger, men and women, young and old, ugly or beautiful.
You cannot start to talk the first very morning to a model in the street if you are already too shy to speak to the baboshka in the lift when you are leaving your appartment.

So the perfect scenario were you are at the right place with the right woman, all being about architecture will never happen.

Last the 3 seconds rule. YOu have to rush within 3 seconds to talk to her because after your brains are controlling everything and you will fail, the fear will increase and you will never see her again. As you are waiting you are more and more nervous and you look like a weirdo when you do it.
If you don't go in the first 3 seconds you are done.
The most natural thing is to rush without thinking. Ok it will be not the smartest thing that you can say, not the more elegant, but don't worry you will be fine.
Even "Vii krasivaya" can do the job in FSU. I would not recommend it in the west, because this is the way to crash very quickly" but in FSU it can work if you don't know what to say.

It is your job to make the connection, and what you have seen in many stupid movies will never happen, like a woman fall on your feets on the sidewalk or you save her from a car coming too close and she does everything including removing your throuser in her appartment.

[Trenchcoat]

Interesting stories from the guys who picked up gals or at least got phone numbers etc.

I rarely did that;  two reasons.

1) I spent huge amount of time before my WMVM trips lining up the women I was going to meet.
2) Because of (1), I really didn't have 'empty' time on my schedule to fit anyone else in, so didn't try.

Sounds right, I can imagine that you spent a huge amount of time at this lining up girls. Just keeping one going with correspondence back and forth can be time consuming and just about manageable. If you've got other stuff happening in your free time then its hard to keep on top of it all. Lining up several to meet would need either a short heavy burst of intensive letter writing and skyping shortly before going or a still large time input taking up all your free time but getting to know them better, the danger being that some may get fed up & move on so needing replacing.

Think your right though, PUA is great for those with a natural skill at it, but going out there next time with solid girls to meet makes sense to me. It would suit my temperament and after all you can collect background info on the girl so you know what you are dealing with. I can do decently enough when with a girl I have already laid the foundations of an acquaintanceship online I think, so long as she has chemistry. 

[Trenchcoat]

Going to St. Petersburg to find a woman that likes architecture is not the answer. Most women aren't going to have a strong background in architecture anywhere. If you approach a woman, you will have no idea what her interests are. If she talks to you, you have to quickly process the information you're hearing so you can guide what she's saying into further conversation. Chances are she's not going to say she's looking at architecture so be ready for any answer and expand on it. If you approach a woman nervous or feel you're going to get rejected, it will show, she may think you're weird, and you will get rejected. If you're a quality man, you have nothing to worry about. Women would love to have a guy like you.

How do you know if your a quality man? 

Still St. Petersburg has been described as the most European city/gateway in Russia, so no doubt just as many English speakers as Odessa, perhaps more so. I know its not a girl who is also heavily into architecture that will crop up, but if I see a girl stood around admiring it or getting her photo set against it, I may have an easy opener and St. Petersburg is full off architecture so is handy for me.

[Slumba]

Sounds right, I can imagine that you spent a huge amount of time at this lining up girls. Just keeping one going with correspondence back and forth can be time consuming and just about manageable. If you've got other stuff happening in your free time then its hard to keep on top of it all. Lining up several to meet would need either a short heavy burst of intensive letter writing and skyping shortly before going or a still large time input taking up all your free time but getting to know them better, the danger being that some may get fed up & move on so needing replacing.

Think your right though, PUA is great for those with a natural skill at it, but going out there next time with solid girls to meet makes sense to me. It would suit my temperament and after all you can collect background info on the girl so you know what you are dealing with. I can do decently enough when with a girl I have already laid the foundations of an acquaintanceship online I think, so long as she has chemistry.

There are a lot of errors in what you write, forgive my bluntness...

The first mistake you are making is in your mindset -like it is some kind of "work" to talk with girls. No, you need to have the view that it is something enjoyable, light, fun, pleasurable.  You are making new acquaintances from another country - that is pretty cool.

Second, you are completely wrong about "PUA" - the naturals are the ones that don't need it.

Third, you are making the classic mistake every guy makes until he gets wiser - thinking that women think the same and view relationships the same as guys do.  They don't. 

[Trenchcoat]

There are a lot of errors in what you write, forgive my bluntness...

The first mistake you are making is in your mindset -like it is some kind of "work" to talk with girls. No, you need to have the view that it is something enjoyable, light, fun, pleasurable.  You are making new acquaintances from another country - that is pretty cool.

Second, you are completely wrong about "PUA" - the naturals are the ones that don't need it.

Third, you are making the classic mistake every guy makes until he gets wiser - thinking that women think the same and view relationships the same as guys do.  They don't.

How do they view relationships?

You are correct, talking to girls can be enjoyable with the right girl - in the UK many girls are rather hard edged or are taken because they are so nice and have a queue of guy waiting in line for them. In the Ukraine, and no doubt Russia, many of the girls seems a hell of a lot softer than here in the UK. Particularly the girls that can speak English, most of them have a lot of charm, its something I am unaccustomed to in the UK. They are lovely to interact with, but I need something deeper than, 'where's the cans of soup? Oh its over there, ok'.

One thing I have noticed is the girls that speak English do so lovely, very softly like a soothing harp, magical sound, often smiling too. Vocally they sound so much better than most English girls, more warmer than most too. However, with non-English speaking Ukrainians/Russians girls I find them more guttural (probably the men too) think it is the difference in language vocals, and tend to smile less than English speaking Ukrainian girls. 

[Trenchcoat]

Some people who don't say much are very charming.  I think you are missing the definition. 

Rather than tell him of his personality flaws, why don't you tell him what he can do and where he can go in Mykolaiv to meet someone?  Then you might actually set the example for charming.

Trench,  go down to the (Reikhartz) River Hotel, and see if they are playing music tomorrow evening.  Usually there are plenty of women there on a Friday night when local bands play..... and looking over the Bug river, it is a fun event, even if you don't meet anyone.  But, from my experience, there were always a bunch of tables of women hanging out together.   You can figure out the rest.  In my experience, such women love to meet foreigners.

Hi Jone,

Yeah back now so thought finally managed to get round to replying to you on this one. Funny you mentioned the Reikhartz River Hotel, because that is where I was staying so convenient for it, lol. Unfortunately, there was a strong wind blowing in and everyone was wrapped up in blankets or strange monk robes. Seemed to be more an event for locals as they hung around together, quite a young crowd. I hung around a bit outside and had some food but to be honest did not feel like my scene. I just don't get the feeling that they take too well to locals around those parts. Incidentally, in the bar 'Drunk Patrick' some of the attitude you get from some of the staff is atrocious, there was this guy working there that would looked at me like I just shot his dog. I think there was one nice girl member of staff in there at breakfast one morning that spoke good English but I only saw her once unfortunately. The reception staff were generally nice and spoke decent-good English and nice hotel & rooms. Unfortunately its 2km for the town centre high street so a long walk but at least it was a straight walk and not too hilly.

Thanks for the tip thought Jone I appreciate the effort you made to mention it. I just don't think Nikolaev is the place to pick up girls, there pretty looking to a T but I didn't find a very accepting attitude to foreigners round there on the whole with a few exceptions of course.

[HoundDaddyLee]

How do they view relationships?

You are correct, talking to girls can be enjoyable with the right girl - in the UK many girls are rather hard edged or are taken because they are so nice and have a queue of guy waiting in line for them. In the Ukraine, and no doubt Russia, many of the girls seems a hell of a lot softer than here in the UK. Particularly the girls that can speak English, most of them have a lot of charm, its something I am unaccustomed to in the UK. They are lovely to interact with, but I need something deeper than, 'where's the cans of soup? Oh its over there, ok'.

One thing I have noticed is the girls that speak English do so lovely, very softly like a soothing harp, magical sound, often smiling too. Vocally they sound so much better than most English girls, more warmer than most too. However, with non-English speaking Ukrainians/Russians girls I find them more guttural (probably the men too) think it is the difference in language vocals, and tend to smile less than English speaking Ukrainian girls.

Tenchcoat,


Russian/Ukrainian/German are all more "guttural" than English. I took 3 years of German in high school and if I speak German I sound guttural also.


So you have issues speaking to local gals? Here is a great opportunity for you to learn a new skill. Go out when you get home to a pub or tavern and just get to know people (men and women). Once you have mastered this in your own country, you should be ok to do it abroad.


I agree with Slumba, you should not look at this like a job or burden. It is fun getting to know other people. You can learn about their culture and their history. You need to get over this interaction blocker you have or you will have difficulty finding any woman (UK/Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian etc.).


You have a "you" problem that needs to be fixed. Understanding and accepting this will go a long way toward helping you be successful in finding a life long mate.


Good Luck,
HDL

[2tallbill]

I didn't have time to give much advice on this thread. I went to Omaha to a
wedding and was too busy to help much.

It's happened to me, it's happened Trenchcoat, it's happened to most of us.
What do you do if you've traveled to a city in the FSU to meet a girl and there
aren't any sparks?

The most common method is for the guy to refuse to admit that there aren't any
sparks and to follow the girl around the city looking at every act of kindness on her
part as possible evidence that she is coming around. SHE NEVER COMES around,
she will never realize that you were the man for her, that only happens in stupid
Hollywood movies.

The second most common method is for the man to feel sorry for himself and mope
around discouraged until it's time to go home.

The third most common method

The uncommon method. The method that 2tallbill recommends.
1. You are in the FSU, you are surrounded by beautiful women and one of them might
be your future wife. You just need to find her.
 
2. Give yourself a pep talk. This is tough because you invested time and energy into a
girl and it didn't work. Screw that you are the driver of the bus. The best way to get over
a woman is in the arms of another.

3. Get on Mamba, spend a few bucks upgrading so that you can be at the top of the
page and so you can do searches by language and other things.

4. Write a simple ass letter to as many girls as possible

Hi _________________ (girls name here). I was on Mamba and saw your
______________ (beautiful eyes, your sunny smile, etc) and I had to stop
everything and write you immediately.

My friends say I am tall, funny, interesting and charming (I love my friends)
I am in _______________ (name of city) and would love to meet you for tea
we can see if my friends are correct.

Pishi !!

Your name here

5. You don't have to use my letter, it would be better if you create your own. Don't
write too much, your goal is to get an attractive girl to meet you for tea to see if
you have chemistry. This is all you are trying to do at first. Don't ask out any girl
twice that you don't make an excellent connection with.

6. Always press to meet as soon as possible.

7. Rinse and repeat

Udachi!


Bill

[2tallbill]

Hi Jone,

Yeah back now so thought finally managed to get round to replying to you on this one. Funny you mentioned the Reikhartz River Hotel, because that is where I was staying so convenient for it, lol.

Trenchcoat,

I would recommend starting over and reading all the beginner stuff again. You will
find a hundred places where it says to get an apartment instead of a hotel. You will
find a hundred places where it says to get the girl on the phone and then skype as
soon as possible. For whatever reason you've ignored many of the basics.

I highly recommend that you start over and read the ebook again and all the sticky
threads. When you reread the information reflect on it. There are hundreds of men
who have done this before you. They have written their stories and gave their advice.
You can decide to learn from their experiences or not. It's up to you whether you want
to get better at this or not.


Why an apartment over a hotel?
1. It's cheaper
2. Girls will consider visiting you at your apartment
3. You can cook or play house
4. Most girls won't visit a man in a hotel. The hotel will assume the girl is a prostitute
and will try to get their commission from her. 100% of girls will be offended by this.
5. It's far more comfortable 
6. You can make yourself a sandwich if you want late at night or early in the morning
you don't have to trudge out in your trenchcoat for a cup of coffee.
7. This list could have a hundred more reasons.
8. An FSUW can walk around in your apartment in her underwear while cooking you
breakfast.  It's happened to me many times and it can't happen in a hotel room.
9. She can invite her friends over to meet you for tea and cake, play some music etc.
10. You can feed her strawberries or grapes that you had in your refrigerator between
kisses while watching Russian music videos.
11. You can wash your clothes
12. You can have a bottle of champainsky chilled and ready at all times.
13. You can invite a girl that you met on the beach, or in the cafe or while
dancing to your apartment for a some cheese, fruit and wine.

This is FSUW101

[Patagonie]

Sounds right, I can imagine that you spent a huge amount of time at this lining up girls. Just keeping one going with correspondence back and forth can be time consuming and just about manageable. If you've got other stuff happening in your free time then its hard to keep on top of it all. Lining up several to meet would need either a short heavy burst of intensive letter writing and skyping shortly before going or a still large time input taking up all your free time but getting to know them better, the danger being that some may get fed up & move on so needing replacing.

Think your right though, PUA is great for those with a natural skill at it, but going out there next time with solid girls to meet makes sense to me. It would suit my temperament and after all you can collect background info on the girl so you know what you are dealing with. I can do decently enough when with a girl I have already laid the foundations of an acquaintanceship online I think, so long as she has chemistry.

As Slumba explained you the game is especially done for all who have no skills, probably more than 80% of people.
I was not belonging to the natural category, and could spend evenings over and above staring women in a party and never been able to say a word to them.
More i thaught about the girl in the party, more emotional i was, and more i was loosing my capacities. As a result and other guy was hitting her and or i never saw her again.

I spent countless time and countless opportunities like that.

[Patagonie]

To finish,
As Slumba explained,

I you fear to introduce you and to talk, i do agree that relationships with girls are a pain in the ass.
That was a pain before.

After i started to enjoy, so much that it was like jumping in parachute or riding a motorcycle at high speed, or whatever you really like.
All changed and i started to have a great pleasure and a lot of fun with women. When it started to hurt or something was wrong i knew that it was time to drop her and choose the next one.

[Boethius]

Third, you are making the classic mistake every guy makes until he gets wiser - thinking that women think the same and view relationships the same as guys do.  They don't.

I think it is you who is making a classic mistake.  Women do not all think the same way.  Nor,  I suspect, do men.

[Trenchcoat]

Trenchcoat,

I would recommend starting over and reading all the beginner stuff again. You will
find a hundred places where it says to get an apartment instead of a hotel. You will
find a hundred places where it says to get the girl on the phone and then skype as
soon as possible. For whatever reason you've ignored many of the basics.

I highly recommend that you start over and read the ebook again and all the sticky
threads. When you reread the information reflect on it. There are hundreds of men
who have done this before you. They have written their stories and gave their advice.
You can decide to learn from their experiences or not. It's up to you whether you want
to get better at this or not.


Why an apartment over a hotel?
1. It's cheaper
2. Girls will consider visiting you at your apartment
3. You can cook or play house
4. Most girls won't visit a man in a hotel. The hotel will assume the girl is a prostitute
and will try to get their commission from her. 100% of girls will be offended by this.
5. It's far more comfortable 
6. You can make yourself a sandwich if you want late at night or early in the morning
you don't have to trudge out in your trenchcoat for a cup of coffee.
7. This list could have a hundred more reasons.
8. An FSUW can walk around in your apartment in her underwear while cooking you
breakfast.  It's happened to me many times and it can't happen in a hotel room.
9. She can invite her friends over to meet you for tea and cake, play some music etc.
10. You can feed her strawberries or grapes that you had in your refrigerator between
kisses while watching Russian music videos.
11. You can wash your clothes
12. You can have a bottle of champainsky chilled and ready at all times.
13. You can invite a girl that you met on the beach, or in the cafe or while
dancing to your apartment for a some cheese, fruit and wine.

This is FSUW101

Well I havent really found that Apartments are any cheaper, they seem about the same price, so for a week long stay I've tended to go for hotel, not sure if apartments would rent for just a week or not. Tended to go for Hotels as they are easier to find if you get lost or directions for Taxi Driver. Some have breakfast included plus some have nice girls working there so if one takes a shine to you, perhaps receptionist or hotel restaurant staff, would just need a PUA idea again for this though. Might think about an apartment next time though and see how the experience goes/differs.

Funny you mention about the girl being seen as a prostitute by the Hotel, lol, I find this so funny, its kind of amusing. The girl I was meeting said the same though, she didn't want to meet me in the hotel reception or bar when we were messaging about where to meet up as she said they would think her a prostitute, lol. I could not believe it, really, in the end we met outside the front of the hotel, did not go inside but went for a drink in a bar along a bit. I know Elena Petrova has written something on this that it comes up but she reckoned its rubbish as all sorts of people visit hotels these days and that she likely to have a reason for not visiting hotel, like the staff there may know she is a scammer and alert you.

They would want commission from her?

Well, all very interesting, might be worth considering apartment alternative to Hotel I guess if it really is that much of a concern. 

[Boethius]

No, it is because it is very common in Ukraine for prostitutes to visit WM in hotel rooms.  In fact, in some hotels, WM will get calls asking if they would like company.  That is why a decent girl will not want to visit a hotel.  Even in Kyiv, it is amazing how everyone knows someone, and word spreads quickly.  It has nothing to do with scamming.

[Slumba]

I think it is you who is making a classic mistake.  Women do not all think the same way.  Nor,  I suspect, do men.

There are in general, rules of thumb you can follow.

For instance, one rule of thumb  is that women care very much about how they are perceived by others and the level of their social status. 

That is why, as you correctly point out in another post, women are very reluctant to go to hotels to visit a guy in those countries or societies where they will be perceived as a "prostitute" for doing that.  Now, there probably are exceptions to this rule of thumb...

A rule of thumb in dealing with men is that they care much less about how they are perceived by others for doing a particular action. That is why in general men are more likely to be risk-takers, whether in sports or business or politics or whatnot. 

This is why if a man is not well liked by any of his girlfriend's friends, he probably will be kicked to the curb; while a woman who has a boyfriend whose friends don't like her, has a better chance of the man staying with her and instead dumping his friends.

[Jumper]

1.  Coming across as relaxed yet friendly in a subdued manner (making the woman feel comfortable, lowering her subconscious defense).

2.   Projecting an attitude of reserved confidence (important with FSUW).

3.   Not making the encounter a critical moment (if she snubs me, so what, there are hundreds of women). 

Exactly, great insight Gator.

TC- I've never had a problem with this, but its not something
done intentionally.
 
I'll speculate why - I simply don't think of this woman ,
or that woman , as a romantic interest. There is zero emotional investment or nervousness as it's just a conversation with a stranger. (or perhaps it doesn't turn into a conversation)
  So it's no different than talking about the weather to a man on the next bench over on the train. I could have the same mundane convo with a smokinghotkova, and not be trying to hit on her.at all.
Now if the convo turned a bit and I saw some interest from her 
i'd let her lead but also flirt a bit more. I've met women on the WAY to the FSU..just because of some conversation struck up in the airport.

 I see Pat alluded to skydiving, and maybe it's along those lines.
The first time you jump there are likely nerves , a natural fear of the unknown. The 300th tme you've jumped its routine and could even become boring.
 
All this said, when traveling to meet someone in the FSU,
I did my fair share of due diligence and skype prior to visiting.
  I did not, nor do I recommend, just going there and winging it.
If it seems *different* to you talking to an attractive woman ,
(they are just people ) then I  do recommend practice at just winging it in any situation, locally and traveling.

Basically stop worrying so much.
It's just a conversation. Some people wont want
 to be bothered in their daily routine, others wont mind or enjoys the interaction, but i don't lead off with some kind of romantic interest,
an attractive woman can tell as easily as you can that you are interested in her if you are approaching as a stranger its already pretty much assumed lol.

[Faux Pas]

Funny you mention about the girl being seen as a prostitute by the Hotel, lol, I find this so funny, its kind of amusing. The girl I was meeting said the same though, she didn't want to meet me in the hotel reception or bar when we were messaging about where to meet up as she said they would think her a prostitute, lol. I could not believe it

Generally there are a plethora of prostitutes that work a hotel in the FSU and usually with the help and aid of some of the staff, for a fee of course. Often when the staff notices a new female face in the hotel with a Westerner they will approach them for their fee. If they are a prostitute they will collect their fee and if they are not they can get run off.

Hotels are a bad idea if you want a woman in your room. It is the way it is and it's not going to change because you think it should. This is sage advice as was doing your due diligence and skyping regularly. Ignore it at your own peril, again 

[BillyB]

How do you know if your a quality man? 

When you're 3 years old, nobody expects you to know the answer to 2+2. When you're 10 years old, everybody expects you to know the answer to 2+2. You're probably at an age where you should know where you stand in life. You should have measured yourself up against other men. Are you a winner or loser? If you're a loser, what are you going to do about it? You should know how people receive you after getting to know you. You should know if you're better or worse than your colleagues at work. Some men are creating jobs for others. Some men are only qualified to pick up your trash. Have you accomplished more than the average man?

Being well liked is not a good measurement of quality. There are con artists that are smooth talkers and have an easy time getting people to like them. Respect is what you should be seeking. A woman that likes you may not be able to love you. A woman that respects you can love you.

You do not have to be liked or respected by everybody. Not everybody is going to be a fan but if you can get just 10% of the women out there interested in you, you will be a very busy man. Most guys here write their trip report after they done it. I wrote my trip report before I met my wife. I gave people here a real time experience of my journey and the dates I had to go through before finding my wife. Some people predicted I'd fall flat on my face but I knew I was going to end up with a woman that will blow people's minds. I had a blast being a single man and I'm having a blast being married. If you feel you're a quality man who will find a quality woman, you can begin to write your trip report now and blow our minds in the end. I felt my chances for success in this endeavor was 100%. If you're uncertain where you stand in life, chances are the women will be uncertain about you too. Get yourself to a place where you know there's a 100% chance you are going to be successful.

[2tallbill]

Well I havent really found that Apartments are any cheaper, they seem about the same price, so for a week long stay I've tended to go for hotel, not sure if apartments would rent for just a week or not.

I've rented an apartment for ONE evening before several different times.
You could have asked here at the forum and somebody would have told
you. Once you've met the owner of an apartment then you can usually
rent from them for less the next time.

Might think about an apartment next time though and see how the experience goes/differs.

Funny you mention about the girl being seen as a prostitute by the Hotel, lol, I find this so funny, its kind of amusing. The girl I was meeting said the same though, she didn't want to meet me in the hotel reception or bar when we were messaging about where to meet up as she said they would think her a prostitute, lol.
They would want commission from her?

Well, all very interesting, might be worth considering apartment alternative to Hotel I guess if it really is that much of a concern.

Yes, they would want a commission from her, or maybe they would even threaten to
rough her up. The hotels have "house prostitutes" they get  a fee. Prostitution is a
rough and dangerous business. They don't want some new competitor moving in on
their turf.

I listed several other reasons as well. Others could make additional points.

Udachi!

Bill