The End of Europe?

[BC]

From http://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/kriminalitet

Yes an increase in 2016 of rape related crimes but not an explosion....

[Boethius]

I doubt a visit by authorities for posts here at RWD would ever happen in the countries I am familiar with.  In which countries does your husband think such could occur?

Not my husband.  A German friend.

[Gator]

From http://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/kriminalitet

Yes an increase in 2016 of rape related crimes but not an explosion....

My eyeballs say a near 100% increase over the incidence reported for 2009-2014.   What is your definition of an explosion?   

Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism. 

[tfcrew]

Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism.

Not to mention terrorism resulting in destruction, injuries, and death

[BC]

My eyeballs say a near 100% increase over the incidence reported for 2009-2014.   What is your definition of an explosion?   

Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism. 

With a population of 5.6 million or so, with rapes and related crimes like attempted rape doubling to 200 or so per quarter, 800 per year we are indeed talking small numbers for Denmark once one does the math.  142 cases per million.  100 less per million than the US for example.  I can imagine the peaceful locals see it differently though as it is in relative terms much worse from their POV.

Yes, Europe does have a lot on her plate but there is still a lot of resistance to scaremongering which ultimately affects society in worse, unseen ways.

[alex330]

Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism.

Depends who you are I suppose. Try to explain that to a 12 year old girl who was gang raped.

[ML]

Quote from: Gator on Today at 01:55:47 PM

    Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism.

Depends who you are I suppose. Try to explain that to a 12 year old girl who was gang raped.

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Not to take sides here . . . but note Gator talked about 'Europe' whereas Alex referenced a 'girl.'

It is often the case that individuals sometimes suffer more and sometimes suffer less than the larger grouping.

Remember Coventry.

[alex330]

Not to take sides here . . . but note Gator talked about 'Europe' whereas Alex referenced a 'girl.'

It is often the case that individuals sometimes suffer more and sometimes suffer less than the larger grouping.

Yes, and it was not aimed at Gator in any way.


I believe an individuals right outweighs that of the group in their quest for security, liberty and property. Violence of any type (rape, murder, assault, terrorism) would seem to be the greatest threat to Europe. The new arrivals are not respecting very basic human rights and needs. And Europe is standing by watching.

[Boethius]

The new arrivals are not respecting very basic human rights and needs.

That's not true.  The majority of them are.

[BC]

Indeed.

In any crowd there will be the few % that cause the most trouble.

[Slumba]

That's not true.  The majority of them are.

What percentage of them support Sharia law, which is 100% incompatible with Western civilization?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png

What countries are large numbers of Muslims entering into EU coming from?  That will give you your answer.

Note high %age of sharia support from Iraq, Afghan, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people...

[Slumba]

My eyeballs say a near 100% increase over the incidence reported for 2009-2014.   What is your definition of an explosion?   

Hoping not to sound indifferent, but I believe Europe has more to worry about than rape, e. g., currency, populism.

Do you mean nationalism?

[Boethius]

What countries are large numbers of Muslims entering into EU coming from?  That will give you your answer.

Note high %age of sharia support from Iraq, Afghan, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people...

Most of whom will be deported because they are not refugees.


I don't believe 99% of  Afghans support sharia.  I suspect many  answers are based on where they live.  I mean, if you took a survey in the USSR in 1980 about how many people believe socialism is the best system in the world, you would have received a 99% positive rating there, too.

[Anotherkiwi]

It takes less than 1 minute to find these stats.

The vast majority of the accused rapists in this group (which is still very small in overall terms) have been identified as Muslim foreigners - NOT necessarily as refugees.  No rape victim can possibly determine the status of their rapist in that sense.

Maybe you should search harder.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugees-responsible-for-tiny-proportion-of-sex-crimes-in-germany-despite-far-right-claims-following-a6884166.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/refugees-crime-rumors/480171/

Not content with showing ignorance on the American threads... I think I shouldn't be too surprised to see you in this European thread.

If I'm so ignorant of European history and current events that I shouldn't be posting in this thread, the same surely applies to you.  You've demonstrated enough ignorance of Europe over the years that maybe you should stick to threads where you know something about the subject - as you constantly tell me to do.

[Anotherkiwi]

Kiwi, I can't prove to you that the sun will rise tomorrow in NZ either. If you wish to ignore the blatantly obvious then go ahead. There have been news reports that 100% of the men caught accused of rape/sexual assaults were refuges see links in above posts.

There are eye witnesses that have said the same. If you wish to ignore this for whatever reason go ahead.

You seem to be falling into the same trap as Slumba and many of the "eye witnesses" (Seriously?  How often does someone witness a rape, but do nothing about it, as these people seem to have done?).  No victim is going to be able to determine whether their attacker is a refugee (as in recent arrival) or someone who has lived there for any length of time.  All they may be able to say is that he looked middle Eastern, or African, or Mediterranean.

If you look at the actual crime statistics as reported by (for example) the BND you get a different picture from the scaremongering press reports (again - 100% of the attackers were refugees?  Sure - and the moon is made of green cheese!).

I don't know what your criteria for proof is but it's far too high for a discussion forum.

Of course my criteria for proof is far too high for a discussion forum - that's because I am used to dealing with that pesky thing called "evidence."

[fathertime]

If I'm so ignorant of European history and current events that I shouldn't be posting in this thread, the same surely applies to you.  You've demonstrated enough ignorance of Europe over the years that maybe you should stick to threads where you know something about the subject - as you constantly tell me to do.

Please don't underestimate the breadth of Slumba's ignorance.  Regarding the US his 'knowledge' and how he attempts to apply it is a disgrace, and followed by a small minority practically all of whom are voting for trump.


Fathertime! 

[Gator]

Most of whom will be deported because they are not refugees.

Deport?  Are you saying Europe has stronger enforcement of its immigration laws than the USA?

[Gator]

Do you mean nationalism?

Related.  Nationalism is more accurate description of what is challenging the established pan-European institutions.   It starts in each country as a populist movement (power to the ordinary citizen). 

I just previewed Foreign Affairs latest issue entitled "The Power of Populism" and the term populism was featured in every article, e. g.,  France’s National Front. 

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/issues/2016/95/6#in-this-issue

[msmob]

As often as non-Americans post their opinions on American politics and government here surely Europeans can hear the opinions of non-Europeans.

Please accept 'our apology' ... now we need your help ...



Pls note a sense of humoUr required ..

[2tallbill]

Of course my criteria for proof is far too high for a discussion forum - that's because I am used to dealing with that pesky thing called "evidence."

There were eye witness accounts and news reporting, along with police reports
and police accounts of what happened. All of which were posted here on this
thread. All those things are in fact pesky evidence and yet not sufficient to meet
your standards.

[SANDRO43]

An appeal to Her Majesty's High Court of Justice resulted yesterday in a verdict that the referendum vote for Brexit is not constitutionally sufficient in itself, it must be confirmed by a Parliamentary vote .

As a result, the pound rebounded 1+% .

[BillyB]

An appeal to Her Majesty's High Court of Justice resulted yesterday in a verdict that the referendum vote for Brexit is not constitutionally sufficient in itself, it must be confirmed by a Parliamentary vote .

The government created an expensive referendum asking people to vote on Brexit but the courts tell the people their vote is meaningless and only a vote by parliament is valid? What a joke. Democracy is hurting in the UK.

[Bounder]

The government created an expensive referendum asking people to vote on Brexit but the courts tell the people their vote is meaningless and only a vote by parliament is valid? What a joke. Democracy is hurting in the UK.

I agree.  How arrogant.

[msmob]

An appeal to Her Majesty's High Court of Justice resulted yesterday in a verdict that the referendum vote for Brexit is not constitutionally sufficient in itself, it must be confirmed by a Parliamentary vote .

As a result, the pound rebounded 1+% .

More than double that against the USD, Euro and even more against the Rouble.


There are those who said such a result would mean instability - and a fall ...

[tfcrew]

 French police move 4,000 people out of Paris migrant camp      Refugees have been promised shelter, food and support, and help with asylum applications by the French authorities

People wait to get on to buses during the evacuation of the makeshift camp in the 19th district of Paris. Photograph: Jeremy Lempin/EPA

French authorities have cleared nearly 4,000 people from Paris’s biggest makeshift migrant camp, insisting those moved would be given shelter, food and support, and helped with asylum applications.
In a pre-dawn operation, police sealed off the sprawling ad-hoc shanty town of tents and cardboard shelters that stretches for almost 1,000 metres (3,300ft) from under the arches of the Stalingrad Métro bridge. A fleet of 80 buses took men, women, children and groups of unaccompanied minors out of the area

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/04/french-police-move-4000-migrants-out-of-paris-camp