The End of Europe?

[Boethius]

Europe has made a deal to return failed asylum seekers to Afghanistan.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/world/asia/afghanistan-eu-refugees-migrants.html


I think this will happen with African countries as well.  It will be a carrot/stick approach.

[Anotherkiwi]

She also said that the press in Germany always runs what the government wants.  Oh, and that the biggest problems they have with criminals are those from Lebanon, Georgia, and the Balkans, with Russia not far behind those three groups.

Not with Syrians?

[Boethius]

No, not with Syrians.

[Slumba]

From the Podesta emails, someone emailed Podesta a very long article on Germany and the results of Muslim immigration.

http://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

"MultiKultiStan"

definitely worth a read.  It (may) be an English language translation of a German magazine article, but I am not sure.

[Larry1]

The Austrian supreme court has thrown out the child rape charge for which an Iraqi rapefugee was convicted:

‘He didn’t know the boy didn’t want to be raped’ court throws out migrant child sex charge

AN IRAQI asylum seeker who confessed to raping a 10-year-old boy in a swimming pool, claiming it was a "sexual emergency", has had his conviction overturned.

When the youngster went to the showers, Amir A. allegedly followed him, pushed him into a toilet cubicle, and violently sexually assaulted him...

In a police interview, Amir A. confessed to the crime; telling officers the incident had been "a sexual emergency", as his wife had remained in Iraq and he "had not had sex in four months".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

No civilized person rapes a child (or an adult, for that matter) because he has gone without sex for four months, or four years, or four decades, well, you get the idea.

It was lunacy for Western European politicians to have allowed in thousands and thousands of rapefugees from countries with a rape and crime culture. It was predictable that a lot of them would prey on the Europeans. One of governments' paramount duties is to protect its citizens. These governments have failed miserably in that duty.

[HoundDaddyLee]

The Austrian supreme court has thrown out the child rape charge for which an Iraqi rapefugee was convicted:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

No civilized person rapes a child (or an adult, for that matter) because he has gone without sex for four months, or four years, or four decades, well, you get the idea.

It was lunacy for Western European politicians to have allowed in thousands and thousands of rapefugees from countries with a rape and crime culture. It was predictable that a lot of them would prey on the Europeans. One of governments' paramount duties is to protect its citizens. These governments have failed miserably in that duty.

This makes me ill to read. No excuses for this kind of behavior. Since when does a child have any consent for sexual activities? There are men in US prisons for having sex with their 17 year old girlfriends (statutory rape). This scumbag gets off because he didn't know the boy did not consent to be raped.


The world is going insane!


HDL

[Boethius]

He didn't get off.  He as charged with two offenses, sexual assault and rape.  The rape charge was overturned.


Some European countries (Austria, Germany) have lagged behind most of the Western world in their rape laws.  Almost all of them have far lower sentences than in the US.

[tfcrew]

sexual assault and rape.   

  I thought they were the same

[ML]

Rape is defined as unwanted penetration, whether that is oral, anal, or vaginal.

Sexual assault refers to any unwanted sexual contact, including fondling and molestation.

[DearGod]

Sexual assault refers to any unwanted sexual contact, including fondling and molestation.

[tfcrew]

The world is going insane!

Yup.......
So a guy cops a feel on a woman and no matter how slight and gingerly done, it is an assault shame and to the sex offenders list with them!

However, a guy can kick another guy in the gnads and slug them in the eye and the law will say ..."You need to learn how to handle yourself" [which happens all the time]

[Anotherkiwi]

The Austrian supreme court has thrown out the child rape charge for which an Iraqi rapefugee was convicted:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/723868/Migrant-jailed-Austria-attack-boy-10-sexual-emergency-has-conviction-OVERTURNED

No civilized person rapes a child (or an adult, for that matter) because he has gone without sex for four months, or four years, or four decades, well, you get the idea.

It was lunacy for Western European politicians to have allowed in thousands and thousands of rapefugees from countries with a rape and crime culture. It was predictable that a lot of them would prey on the Europeans. One of governments' paramount duties is to protect its citizens. These governments have failed miserably in that duty.

Larry, while I don't for one moment condone what this man did, it has been blown out of all proportion in the sense of a "refugee" being the accused.  Where is the identical outrage when the perpetrator is a local?  It doesn't matter where, but this sort of thing happens all over the world without anywhere near the same sort of publicity.  Don't pick on a refugee "just because" he's a refugee - pick on the local man who did pretty much the same thing in London, or New York, or Los Angeles, or Sydney...or even Auckland.

The vast majority of paedophile rings are run by people living in a community where nobody has the faintest idea what goes on - NOT by refugees.  "He was such a devoted father and local do-gooder," says Doris the devastated neighbour as Chuck Smith gets taken away in handcuffs.

[Larry1]

Larry, while I don't for one moment condone what this man did, it has been blown out of all proportion in the sense of a "refugee" being the accused.  Where is the identical outrage when the perpetrator is a local?  It doesn't matter where, but this sort of thing happens all over the world without anywhere near the same sort of publicity.  Don't pick on a refugee "just because" he's a refugee - pick on the local man who did pretty much the same thing in London, or New York, or Los Angeles, or Sydney...or even Auckland.

The vast majority of paedophile rings are run by people living in a community where nobody has the faintest idea what goes on - NOT by refugees.  "He was such a devoted father and local do-gooder," says Doris the devastated neighbour as Chuck Smith gets taken away in handcuffs.

1. The number of sexual assaults in many western european countries has risen substantially in the last year or so, and the rise is largely attributable to the large influx of young men from the Islamic world. There is a rape culture there. Look up New Years Eve sexual assaults in Cologne, Germany last year.

2. Tell that to the 1,400 girls who were raped and put into sex slavery by muslims in Rotherham, while police did little about it.

This was predictable and preventable.

[Anotherkiwi]

1. The number of sexual assaults in many western european countries has risen substantially in the last year or so, and the rise is largely attributable to the large influx of young men from the Islamic world. There is a rape culture there. Look up New Years Eve sexual assaults in Cologne, Germany last year.

I'm not disputing that it happened, Larry - I just think that offences by local people should not be ignored.  Whatever you may think, not all rapists are refugees.  Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, are all refugees rapists.

2. Tell that to the 1,400 girls who were raped and put into sex slavery by muslims in Rotherham, while police did little about it.

What has that got to do with refugees?  While the main perpetrators were of Pakistani origin, two of the co-conspirators convicted during the trials were white (non-Muslim) women who had procured girls for the sex-trafficking ring.  NONE OF THE ACCUSED WERE REFUGEES - THEY WERE ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS!  That is my point from the preceding post.

This was predictable and preventable.

What was?  The Austrian case?  Rotherham?  They were both as predictable as that scumbag in California who got the six-month sentence for rape.  While Rotherham could certainly have had a lesser number of victims if people had done their jobs properly, nobody could possibly have prevented the others.

[tfcrew]

Police reported that the perpetrators were men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

Media didn't want to report anything had happened, but realistically...
Here's video what happened @ 9:45 Police say it was mostly REFUGEES

 

 

[2tallbill]

I'm not disputing that it happened, Larry - I just think that offences by local people should not be ignored.  Whatever you may think, not all rapists are refugees.  Nor, by any stretch of the imagination, are all refugees rapists.

Nobody said to ignore local rapists. Nobody said all rapes are by refuges and nobody
said that all refuges are rapists. What was said is that rape went up dramatically
because the government allowed refuges in. If no new refuges then the rape increase
wouldn't have happened.

[Boethius]

It was lunacy for Western European politicians to have allowed in thousands and thousands of rapefugees from countries with a rape and crime culture

Most Muslim countries do not have a rape culture, and the attitude toward women differs in different Islamic countries.  In Saudi Arabia, for example, rape, if proven, is punishable by anything from flogging to beheading.  However, most of the Islamic countries from which the rapists come from are, from a Western perspective, all misogynistic, and women are also punished if they violated purdah.  Generally, women don't walk around unaccompanied in many Islamic countries, though that varies from country to country.  For example, there were plenty of areas in Syria where women did walk alone in Western dress, even miniskirts and bikinis were common in some regions.  In others, a woman alone would be a scandal.

The issue in Europe is that their sexual assault laws for the most part are weak (the UK is an exception), and perpetrators escape relatively unscathed.  If they were held in prison until trial, imprisoned, and were deported after their sentences, I believe a great deal of that rape would disappear overnight. 

My husband calls Western weakness in this regard as the "Sovietization of the West".  He means a totalitarian mindset brought about by political correctness run amok.  In many European countries, posts such as these, discussing this issue, would result in a police call or visit.

[Boethius]

What has that got to do with refugees?  While the main perpetrators were of Pakistani origin, two of the co-conspirators convicted during the trials were white (non-Muslim) women who had procured girls for the sex-trafficking ring.  NONE OF THE ACCUSED WERE REFUGEES - THEY WERE ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS!  That is my point from the preceding post.

What was?  The Austrian case?  Rotherham?  They were both as predictable as that scumbag in California who got the six-month sentence for rape.  While Rotherham could certainly have had a lesser number of victims if people had done their jobs properly, nobody could possibly have prevented the others.

Rotherham is not the only UK city to have predator grooming gangs.  And you can point to two white women who supplied vulnerable girls, but all of the rapists were Pakistani, some immigrants, some born in the UK.  A number of those charged fled to Pakistan before trial. 

Political correctness is what stopped the investigation, at least based on some investigations, as did the fact the girls came from vulnerable circumstances.  Some of those girls were Muslim, but most were not because a father/uncle/brother would have shown up at the doorstep of the rapist.

Of course rape occurs in country.  But I believe part of the reason rape and sexual assault laws in Germany, the Scandinavian countries, and Austria are so lax (tighter in terms of definition in Sweden, but punishment is low) is because rape is relatively low.

[Anotherkiwi]

Rotherham is not the only UK city to have predator grooming gangs.  And you can point to two white women who supplied vulnerable girls, but all of the rapists were Pakistani, some immigrants, some born in the UK.  A number of those charged fled to Pakistan before trial.

Yes, but my point all along is that these people were not refugees.  Where they were born was irrelevant in the context of Larry's post.  In that sense I believe it's unfair to target refugees as rapists simply BECAUSE they're refugees.

[Anotherkiwi]

Nobody said to ignore local rapists. Nobody said all rapes are by refuges and nobody said that all refuges are rapists. What was said is that rape went up dramatically because the government allowed refuges in. If no new refuges then the rape increase wouldn't have happened.

Bill, you have absolutely no proof of causality.  While you may think that it follows that more refugees equals more rapes, you cannot possibly prove it.

[Slumba]

Bill, you have absolutely no proof of causality.  While you may think that it follows that more refugees equals more rapes, you cannot possibly prove it.

It takes less than 1 minute to find these stats.

Not content with showing ignorance on the American threads... I think I shouldn't be too surprised to see you in this European thread.

[tfcrew]

Massive European civil war predicted by scholar of Islam who says jobless young Muslims are increasingly turning to radical groups The French professor said the "situation in Europe could develop into a civil war"

Professor Gilles Kepel, from the Sciences Po in Paris, claims a growing number of Muslims with poor job prospects are forming a “Jihad Generation” to continue to commit acts of terror across Europe.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1775496/massive-european-civil-war-predicted-by-scholar-of-islam-who-says-jobless-young-muslims-are-increasingly-turning-to-radical-groups/

 

[BC]

My husband calls Western weakness in this regard as the "Sovietization of the West".  He means a totalitarian mindset brought about by political correctness run amok.  In many European countries, posts such as these, discussing this issue, would result in a police call or visit.

I doubt a visit by authorities for posts here at RWD would ever happen in the countries I am familiar with.  In which countries does your husband think such could occur?

[2tallbill]

Bill, you have absolutely no proof of causality.  While you may think that it follows that more refugees equals more rapes, you cannot possibly prove it.

Kiwi, I can't prove to you that the sun will rise tomorrow in NZ either. If you wish to
ignore the blatantly obvious then go ahead. There have been news reports that 100%
of the men caught accused of rape/sexual assaults were refuges see links in above posts.

There are eye witnesses that have said the same. If you wish to ignore this for
whatever reason go ahead. I don't know what your criteria for proof is but it's far
too high for a discussion forum.

Udachi!

Bill

[Slumba]

Simply 1 example - there are many , many more:

Overall criminality.





Rapes (can't find one with newer stats, but I would think they haven't changed a lot in terms of %ages):