Why we stopped dating AW, volume 12

[Boethius]

Feminists are split on women in combat roles.  So you cannot state that it is a universal feminist value, or something all feminists fight for.

[Muzh]

Why do feminists want to have women in the US military, including Special Forces units?

It is not about competence - our SF guys aren't getting trounced in the field by anyone.

It is not about numbers - they have their recruiting targets being met.

It is about removing or minimizing male honor.

That part of feminism which is all about being envious of men, is pushing for this.

DUDE!!!


You really have a problem with your manhood. 

[Slumba]

DUDE!!!


You really have a problem with your manhood. 

^^^^^^ The firstfruits of an Ivy League education LOL. ^^^^^^

[Muzh]

Dude, you really have a self-image problem. And then you blame the women.

[Slumba]

Dude, you really have a self-image problem. And then you blame the women.

Yo Harvard, what beez "ad hominem" meanin'?

[Gator]

Your family members may have been happy in their roles.  But many were not, and just accepted that this is the "way it is".  Think of it in terms of African American rights at the turn of the century, or even in the days of MLK.  Yes, there were many African Americans, probably the majority, who lived happy and fulfilled lives.  But that was within what society told them they "should" or "must" be. 

Whoa!  The discrimination against  African Americans was more pervasive and varied than the injustice against women.   I just don't see how the economic injustices against women are the same as those against the African American community.  In the early times, many women were able to circumvent injustice by showing strength in speaking out.  It was not possible for an African American in the early South to receive a better education by speaking out.   

Yet, I can see where some injustices against women in general were worse than many of those against African Americans.   For example, not a small number of women paid with their lives for domestic abuse injustice.   
 
As another example, not being a woman, a man could not realize fully the extent of damage caused by rape.  In recent cases, it is apparent that justice is still not being adequately administered for rape.

Changes have been made, and some more changes are needed as part of the "third wave."  Yet the world is much better today for women.     

This is partly what third wave feminism is about.  It is about breaking those barriers.  A woman, if she wishes to be a homemaker, should have that role and be proud of it.  Similarly, a man who wishes to be a homemaker should be able to take that role and be proud of it. 

It's happening.  Many men are nurses.  Similarly,  a man who wishes to have sex with another man should also feel proud, or at least not be ostracized, and be allowed to marry his fellow cocksucker.   

[Boethius]

Whoa!  The discrimination against  African Americans was more pervasive and varied than the injustice against women.   I just don't see how the economic injustices against women are the same as those against the African American community.  In the early times, many women were able to circumvent injustice by showing strength in speaking out.  It was not possible for an African American in the early South to receive a better education by speaking out. 

Yet, I can see where some injustices against women in general were worse than many of those against African Americans.   For example, not a small number of women paid with their lives for domestic abuse injustice.   

I didn't state it was the same thing.  I just get the sense you don't really understand what it was like to be a woman who had to rely on a man, be it her husband, father, or male relative,  Hence, your comment about your aunts being happy (I'm not suggesting they were not, just that their experience doesn't mean change was not needed).  Yes, and African Americans living under discriminatory conditions had happiness in their lives, as diid/do citizens living in dictatorships, or war zones, or individuals living in abject poverty.  That doesn't mean they don't face injustice, or discrimination.

As another example, not being a woman, a man could not realize fully the extent of damage caused by rape.  In recent cases, it is apparent that justice is still not being adequately administered for rape.

True, and even though no always means no, women do have to take some responsibility for their own safety - not to suggest they open themselves up to be raped, just that they should practice common sense. 

Changes have been made, and some more changes are needed as part of the "third wave."  Yet the world is much better today for women.     

Some places in the world.  That is the result of feminism.

It's happening.  Many men are nurses.  Similarly,  a man who wishes to have sex with another man should also feel proud, or at least not be ostracized, and be allowed to marry his fellow cocksucker.

I know a very large number of gay men, dating back to high school friendships.  Until gay men hit "old age" in the male gay world (around 35), they tend to be rather promiscuous.  Many live in open relationships even after their expiry date.  Some are nesters, but for the most part, they are not, until they hit the wall age wise.  None of the gay men I know are married, though they've had that right here for over a decade.  But here, unmarried couples get spousal benefits, both in the private sector and in government, so it's not such a huge issue.

[BillyB]

Feminists are split on women in combat roles.

I'm against women in combat roles. I've been in all male units and units that allow women. All male units are better killing machines. When training with units that allow females, we have to haul around honeybuckets(portable potties) for them in the woods. They get carried in more ways that one. Men in those units become soft kissing the ladies asses.

Now some will point to a few ladies outperforming men finishing above some men in war college, ranger training, or operating fighter jets. Key word is "FEW". That means most women go through training failing. Training is expensive. When I went through airborne training, 10% of the men dropped out and 50% of the women there dropped out. I can imagine similar failure rates among other types of military training. Tax payers don't get a good return on the investment.

[redfeather]

Boe,
Here is the link to the movie Divorce Corp.  I recommend to all young men today to watch this movie at least once a year, so that they understand how America and marriage are not sustainable anymore.  Marriage to many American women stopped being sustainable after Reagan signed No Fault Divorce into effect in 1972.  Reagan later admitted it was the worst mistake of his entire political career.

After watching this movie the message comes thru loud and clear...marriage to American women is not sustainable.

[Boethius]

What is unequal for women in today's society?Read "The War on Boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. I think you'll see that men are the one's who need help with equality.http://www.amazon.com/WAR-AGAINST-BOYS-Misguided-Feminism/dp/0684849577

I've read that book, though granted, a long time ago before our first son started school.  I don't buy many of her views.

We have two sons and one daughter.   They were not trouble, but our middle son was spirited, and, in the second and third grades, with inexperienced teachers, spent a great deal of time in the hallway.  He was bored, and so, he was silly.  He also questioned everything.

I think school structures are not really set up for boys, who are more physical than are girls, and don't sit still as well.  They really are little animals until about 15, although by the sixth or seventh grade, they can sit still.  I can laugh about some of the things our middle son, in particular, did throughout his school career, and his father was very hard on him, but by the time he reached high school, he had sorted himself out.  That, coupled with societal changes in general, means the classroom has changed dramatically.

I also think school curricula are now heavily focused on reading skills, as there are lots of studies on how reading is fundamental to school success.  However, the books in school libraries often don't "catch" boys.  Our daughter could always find books that interested her at school.  Our middle son had zero interest in fictional writing.  He was obsessed with all things military, so I used to buy him books on historical military campaigns.  By junior high school (middle school to Americans), he was into teen fiction, only one or two authors, generally dark stories, think a Cormack McCarthy for teens.  Our younger son didn't enjoy reading himself, but he liked being read to, and a reading consultant told me this was as good as if he read to himself (which turned out to be true).  So every night, I would read to him for about an hour, sometimes more, in bed.  I would choose the book, but if he wasn't engaged by it, I'd choose another.  By junior high, he was into Stephen King (on his own  ).  No, not great literature, but hey, at least he was reading.

Schools generally are not going to tailor things to individual boys' needs, and I think in some ways, to what interests boys, particularly in the elementary years.  Parents have to do that.  And to do that, parents have to have the interest, and take the time.

[Boethius]

Boe,
Here is the link to the movie Divorce Corp.  I recommend to all young men today to watch this movie at least once a year, so that they understand how America and marriage are not sustainable anymore.  Marriage to many American women stopped being sustainable after Reagan signed No Fault Divorce into effect in 1972.  Reagan later admitted it was the worst mistake of his entire political career.

Plug ins, for some reason, aren't loading for me today.

From what I have read, this film is about the judicial process.  I assume it is not uniform across the U.S.  It isn't in Canada, either.  So, I don't think you can make a blanket statement on the American system.

Canada has a no fault divorce system as well.  Where I live, there is mandatory mediation.  Judges  here don't want to be the arbiters of family disputes, and they particularly don't want to be deciding where kids spend Christmas.  Lawyers also, for the most part, hate custody cases.  There is a big trend here toward collaborative divorce, and that trend started in the U.S.  I suspect were I to research this, I would learn that most US divorces don't go through the courts.

Would a fault system of divorce, where a wife must allege her husband beat her, or she cheated on him, really make a difference?  No, it would not.  The problem in your society is deeper than that.  We can even see it among some of the posters here, men who run off to find a new wife, to make a life with that new woman, without thinking of the consequences on his minor children.  I assume their ex wives are doing the same (i.e., making lives with new husbands).  That is the crux of the problem in Western society, IMHO. 

[redfeather]

Boe,
My two daughters sent me that link because they saw how badly I was raped in the divorce.
The movie also points out in Finland they do not have these kinds of divorce laws, so it is much more friendly because there divorce laws do not try to make the women financially well off.  We need a change in this direction IMO.

[fathertime]

One of the reasons we look for FSU Women is for their feminine traits.  These traits are missing, many times, in the AW or WW we might come across.  I can say this much simpler. I look for a woman who has kindness and wisdom.  To such a woman, I defer. 

Are you sure about that, and it isn't actually the pretty face and nice ass/legs that you go for?  I know a lot of 45 year old ladies that have a lot more wisdom through experience than a 22 year old could have!   


Fathertime! 

[Boethius]

Boe,
My two daughters sent me that link because they saw how badly I was raped in the divorce.
The movie also points out in Finland they do not have these kinds of divorce laws, so it is much more friendly because there divorce laws do not try to make the women financially well off.  We need a change in this direction IMO.

Finland is a rather socialist state.  It has a small population (about 5.3 million).  It is largely homogenous (93.4% Finn, 5.6% Swedish).  All of those factors probably play a more important role in divorce than how the laws are crafted.

[Patagonie]

Boe,
My two daughters sent me that link because they saw how badly I was raped in the divorce.
The movie also points out in Finland they do not have these kinds of divorce laws, so it is much more friendly because there divorce laws do not try to make the women financially well off.  We need a change in this direction IMO.

+1

[Patagonie]

Then I suggest you read more on feminism.


Feminism is really about equality.  That does not mean women are men, just that they should have equal opportunities.

When it's time to speak about opportunities there are clearly two topics where men are real not equal to women when it's time to compare:

Capacity for women to access to sex.
Capcity for women to improve their material situation because of their sex.

I declare to really want women having the same right.
I declare to want more women in top leaders politics. (the poete Eluard wrote "the woman is the future of the man")
I have no problem of ego being with a woman who earns more than me, who is more educated than me ....

[Slumba]

Finland is a rather socialist state.  It has a small population (about 5.3 million).  It is largely homogenous (93.4% Finn, 5.6% Swedish).  All of those factors probably play a more important role in divorce than how the laws are crafted.

There is absolutely no evidence to support, and a great deal of evidence to counter, this perspective.

[Slumba]

Another wasted life ...  Gilbert has no children BTW.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a63812/eat-pray-love-elizabeth-gilbert-in-love-rayya-elias/?src=socialflowTW

This is the woman that blew up her marriage , then went to "find herself" and found a new husband; now she is lesbian.

Her husband meanwhile re-married and had kids with the new wife.


Feminism is cancer

[Boethius]

The Slumba definition - Any woman not living her life in the manner I deem acceptable has been poisoned and defiled by the cancer of feminism.

[Boethius]

There is absolutely no evidence to support, and a great deal of evidence to counter, this perspective.

Such as?


Finland, like the other Nordic countries, has a very strong history and tradition of feminism.

[Gator]

Another wasted life ...  Gilbert has no children BTW.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/news/a63812/eat-pray-love-elizabeth-gilbert-in-love-rayya-elias/?src=socialflowTW

This is the woman that blew up her marriage , then went to "find herself" and found a new husband; now she is lesbian.

Her husband meanwhile re-married and had kids with the new wife.

Slumba, this is a sad story, a very sad story.   It seems that Gilbert finally found true love only to have it happened in the final months of incurable cancer.  The fact they are lesbians is not relevant.  They were two human souls needing and wanting each other.  What I don't understand is how they knew each other for 15 years and never realized the attraction between them until the end.

It just shows we are never too old to discover something new in ourselves, or rather maybe something important yet unjustifiably repressed in our lives.

 
Feminism is cancer   

That's bad, especially in this situation. 

 

[Slumba]

Such as?


Finland, like the other Nordic countries, has a very strong history and tradition of feminism.

Laws that offer different incentives result in a change of behavior.  Pretty self-evident.

I.e. in Colorado, they legalized marijuana - now many people that smoke MJ in other states, travel to CO (change in behavior), in order to buy MJ in the shops (change in behavior).

Make it financially neutral or even slightly painful for a woman to divorce, and divorce rates are likely to fall.

[Slumba]

The Slumba definition - Any woman not living her life in the manner I deem acceptable has been poisoned and defiled by the cancer of feminism.

She won't be passing on her genes; despite the many, many opportunities she had to do so.

But the husband she dumped, has 2 boys - his genes will make it.

She is an evolutionary dead-end.  He is not.

[Slumba]

Slumba, this is a sad story, a very sad story.   It seems that Gilbert finally found true love only to have it happened in the final months of incurable cancer.  The fact they are lesbians is not relevant.  They were two human souls needing and wanting each other.  What I don't understand is how they knew each other for 15 years and never realized the attraction between them until the end.

I don't share your kum-ba-yah view of lesbianism.

Gilbert shows herself as a quintessential example of the kind of women that men should avoid - flighty, emotionally driven, selfish, spiritually stunted, and with an ability to rationalize any behavior she engages in.  Just like a teenaged girl.

[Boethius]

Laws that offer different incentives result in a change of behavior.  Pretty self-evident.

I.e. in Colorado, they legalized marijuana - now many people that smoke MJ in other states, travel to CO (change in behavior), in order to buy MJ in the shops (change in behavior).

Make it financially neutral or even slightly painful for a woman to divorce, and divorce rates are likely to fall.

It is financially neutral in many states (equal division of assets and debts), but I doubt their divorce rates are lower because of that.

I have a relative who married young.  Her husband was an alcoholic.  They had four children.  His work record was sporadic, but he was an only son, and his wealthy parents supported him financially.  He would disappear for months at a time, on a bender, or gambling in Vegas, or womanizing, or really, all three.  She stayed with him because it was her "fate".  She worked like a dog.  The down payment for her house came from her parents.  Her car was paid for by her parents.  She worked to pay the mortgage.  She was once visited by "strongmen" from one of his Vegas benders, who threatened her children if she didn't fork over his $15,000 gambling debt. He was not around.   The cash to clear his debt came from her parents.  A few years after that, one of their children found him in bed with another woman, in the bed he shared with his wife.  It wasn't the first time, but because her child had seen this, that was the end.

She had four dependent children, all teens at the time.  She worked.  He didn't, and had rarely worked during their marriage.  She knew she would get no maintenance for the children.  All she asked for in their division of property was their only asset, their mortgaged home.  Nope.  No way, said the judge. 

She ended up raising her children in that home, paying the mortgage, maintenance, and property taxes herself.  She remarried after her children were grown, her husband moving into "her" home (owned with the ex).  But she was stuck with it, because if it were sold, she would need her ex husband's permission to sell the home, and he definitely would fight her for half. 

Her second husband died.  Then, the ex died.  That was the only reason she was able to finally sell that house.  Her luck was it was held under a deed with right of survivorship (which would have been disastrous had he predeceased her, as her kids would have received nothing).

Please tell her that her life was ruined by the "cancer" of feminism, and how men get screwed over by the courts.