Men that are no-shows & no-goes

[alex330]

But how many of these men have successfully found their women ?!!!!   1% of of these 40% ?

Much less she says. She only knows of several (2-3) that married successfully over a period of five years. You never hear of a marriage occurring. Not with Anastasia affiliated sites at least.


I have heard the 5% thrown around a lot over the years as well. Not sure where that came from. Elenas Models I think? Could it be that a specific woman has a 5% chance of being visited?


Stats can be manipulated and interpreted different ways.

[CaptB]

This was a different time (1997 - 2002) but in the LifeTime Partners (Tver, Russia) agency......there were dozens of photos of those who matched.....and dozens of photos of couples who were married. On the old RWG forum.....there were about 300 guys at the time I joined (1997)/ By the time I made my first trip (2000).....there were only about 450 members. This was the largest FSU/W forum at the time. It was small.....compared to this forum with close to 9,400 members....but a much higher percentage of guys who were actually visiting the FSU. I would say in a given year......definitely over 100 guys were making visits. Of those dozens became engaged.....and a large percentage.....married. Back then many guys were using agencies.....and there were about a half-dozen that were very reputable.


Capt B 

[Anotherkiwi]

I just asked my wife how many of the men that were writing letters would fly over. She worked for an Anastasia Date affiliated agency in Odessa. Her guess was around 40% of the men would visit.

I have heard the 5% thrown around a lot over the years as well. Not sure where that came from. Elenas Models I think? Could it be that a specific woman has a 5% chance of being visited?

Stats can be manipulated and interpreted different ways.

Obviously we can all go only by our own experience.  I was the first visitor from overseas for both the women that I went to see on my WOVO trips, although both had corresponded with quite a few men over the years.  My "backup plan" on the second trip was different - she had actually moved from Ukraine to the Netherlands in a previous relationship, and everything seemed to be going extremely well until, totally out of the blue, he decided that his mother was right and this was not the lady for him!    And this after living together for (I think) three years. 

Of the many hundreds that I wrote to while I was actively searching, the vast majority said that nobody had ever been to see them (despite quite a few being smokinghotkovas in their thirties or forties ). Several had had one potential suitor turn up, and a handful had had more than one visit, but I think that the most any of them had seen was three (and, with her looks and personality, it should have been three thousand - think Helen of Troy).  Two that I was going to visit got stolen from under me by pesky Amerikanskis who just happened to be on earlier flights.    I don't know what happened to one, but the other told me a couple of years later that they were happily married and dividing their time between the USA and St Petersburg.

So, from my experience, that 40% figure would be way too high, and even the 5% would be a stretch.  However, I was looking at a quite different age-group from the one which Anastasia peddles, so the figures could be radically different just for that reason.

[alex330]

This was a different time (1997 - 2002)

From what I have heard it was very different then. I have also heard most of those couples are now divorced. My wife's aunt included in those numbers. But other members here would know more about this than I.

I was the first visitor from overseas for both the women that I went to see on my WOVO trips, although both had corresponded with quite a few men over the years. 


Of the many hundreds that I wrote to while I was actively searching, the vast majority said that nobody had ever been to see them (despite quite a few being smokinghotkovas in their thirties or forties ). Several had had one potential suitor turn up, and a handful had had more than one visit, but I think that the most any of them had seen was three (and, with her looks and personality, it should have been three thousand - think Helen of Troy). 

So, from my experience, that 40% figure would be way too high, and even the 5% would be a stretch.  However, I was looking at a quite different age-group from the one which Anastasia peddles, so the figures could be radically different just for that reason.

I agree 40% seems crazy. But my wife says men would flock over. Dunno

I think many factors play heavily on our experiences and who we have spoken to as you mention.

What website were the women on? How old were the women? In their 30's and 40's you mention. What city did they live in? How good looking were they?

A good looking 25 year old model at my wife's agency could go on dates with 3-5 guys per week. More during the summer months or if they were hustlers.

Another thing to consider - An obscure website with no Google presence or paid traffic versus Anastasia's marketing behemoth, the difference is massive. Elenas Models is the site most recommended here. Traffic is around 8k per day. AnastasiaDate is 17k per day organic search, plus 25k per day paid traffic, plus affiliate traffic. Toss in the fact that the chat models are excellent conversion specialists 

[Anotherkiwi]

What website were the women on?

Pretty well all were Elena's Models or Fiancée.com.

How old were the women? In their 30's and 40's you mention.

There might have been the odd 28 or 29 year old, but most were mid-thirties and up.  The two that I went to see were 37 and 43.

What city did they live in?

All over Russia and Ukraine, although I generally avoided central Siberia.  I have no trouble with Vladivostok or Khabarovsk as destinations, because they're easy to get to for me (or from West Coast USA) via Tokyo/Beijing/Seoul.

How good looking were they?

All good-looking in my eyes, otherwise why would I bother?    Not many Anastasia 10s  , but most ranked 8+ on my own scale.

A good looking 25 year old model at my wife's agency could go on dates with 3-5 guys per week. More during the summer months or if they were hustlers.

Any of that type of woman is going to have money to burn from all the suckers she meets.  She can therefore afford not to have to work at a "real" job.  Unfortunately most "real" women don't have that much spare time - especially if they're solo mothers or helping out their parents.

[southernX]

NO SHOWS ?? well back when I was writing to ladies , I sent possibly 40 odd letters max
from that I had several ladies who became noted contacts, that lead on to be thinned out again ,
of the 2 that I seriously wished to visit , one lady was not at all keen to Skype , she was much more reticent about a organising a visit and to me it seemed she was not interested that much at the time

so I decided to cut off communications with her in favour of the other lady who I had formed a much stronger bond with via Skype ,

lady no 1, when informed of my decision to cut contact she became very angry with me and it was then that she advised she had been left waiting once before at novosibersk airport by an Australian guy who did not show up , he hadn't done so after making promises to her

she had gone out of her way to make his visit as special as she could and then he let her down badly , so with communicating with me she had held back ,thinking to be more patient and protect herself ., that translated to me to be lack of interest and endeavour. over 2 months I made the call to cut it off


so there are ladys who have had this happen, however in true eastern European style you often don't hear them complain about it 

NO GO ??
well I made the decision early on when I did some homework on this adventure , don't start if you cant commit to it totally , that means going to wherever she may be at least once 

that still applies imo  to all who think about this as a way to find a suitable life partner

SX

[Trenchcoat]

Pretty well all were Elena's Models or Fiancée.com.

There might have been the odd 28 or 29 year old, but most were mid-thirties and up.  The two that I went to see were 37 and 43.

All over Russia and Ukraine, although I generally avoided central Siberia.  I have no trouble with Vladivostok or Khabarovsk as destinations, because they're easy to get to for me (or from West Coast USA) via Tokyo/Beijing/Seoul.

All good-looking in my eyes, otherwise why would I bother?    Not many Anastasia 10s  , but most ranked 8+ on my own scale.

Any of that type of woman is going to have money to burn from all the suckers she meets.  She can therefore afford not to have to work at a "real" job.  Unfortunately most "real" women don't have that much spare time - especially if they're solo mothers or helping out their parents.

Have you found anyone yet Anotherkiwi?

[Anotherkiwi]

Have you found anyone yet Anotherkiwi?

Nope.  Not looking at the moment - just too darned busy with my life  ... and you guys! 

[xiphoid]

I'm trying a new approach now - from what I have read here. I was planning to visit some friends in Kyiv anyway in November and I have gotten a few recent new possibilities, 1 or 2 letters each, so I am going to tell them I am coming over in November to meet friends and would they like to meet up while I am there. Not too pushy?       

BTW one of my pushy ones that I wrote about disappeared after I told her that though traveling is not a problem, I would rather not meet with a complete stranger. Another one in her second letter wants to cook me a romantic dinner without revealing anything about herself. Hmmm.

[BillyB]

just too darned busy with my life  ... and you guys! 

I'm spoken for but there are plenty of singles guys here if you want to try your luck. I think the guys are more loose than RW.

Another one in her second letter wants to cook me a romantic dinner without revealing anything about herself. Hmmm.

Tell her to forget about dinner and that you prefer a romantic revealing.

[xiphoid]

Tell her to forget about dinner and that you prefer a romantic revealing.

 

[GatoMoon]

Another one in her second letter wants to cook me a romantic dinner without revealing anything about herself. Hmmm.

Tell me about it !!  At least, better than ladies wanting to go to 'expensive' restaurant !!

Once I asked a lady what will we do when I visit her.  she replied: ' We will go to shopping.  We eat at restaurant.  We take my family to the beach' -  NOTHING about us or showing me to her city.   Obviously she isn't interested in me and is materialistic. 

[Trenchcoat]

Nope.  Not looking at the moment - just too darned busy with my life  ... and you guys! 

I know its either a case of work for the money then no time or don't work as much then not enough money, lol.

[Trenchcoat]

Tell me about it !!  At least, better than ladies wanting to go to 'expensive' restaurant !!

Once I asked a lady what will we do when I visit her.  she replied: ' We will go to shopping.  We eat at restaurant.  We take my family to the beach' -  NOTHING about us or showing me to her city.   Obviously she isn't interested in me and is materialistic.

Yeah, find some of the women I come into contact with in online dating are so 'I decide what we are going to do' and abrupt. Pain as on the free sites I find it takes a while to come up with women who are prepared to message with me. Think its because there's a lot more competition, though that said I don't entirely trust the pay monthly sites either.

[Patagonie]

There are plenty of women available to meet WM provided that they come in their cities.

In Ukraine, during summer (june - july - august) in the biggest cities (Kiev - Kharkov - Odessa - Dnepr - Donetsk before)
any >8.5 could meet one, two or three men per week (As Alex330's wife said) not including local men.
any >8 and <=8.5 could meet one man per week approximatively
and any 7 or 7+ can meet few men in a summer.

That's what happen to attractive women in the biggest cities of Ukraine. They are generally registered in an agency and or additionaly registered on some free sites.
If they are enough active they can perform such scorecard.
Of course it's out of question for them to spend their whole evening to chat with some bogus. They have a professional life, a social life, a family life, and the meeting life.

Attractive women and especially the most attractive have enough real men meeting them on the field so they don't need to spend their time on internet.
Additionaly, all those who have suffered from the no shows get definitively angry and cautious, but you will rarely hear about that, FSU culture obliges. Consequently they  just want to meet guys present in their cities or they focus on locals.

Only the less attractive and/or living in remotely locations, will spend their life on internet, because they don't have a lot of choice.

So all guys who want the ladies to spend tons of time (months) on internet (chat - skype) to be sure that women are ENGAGED and INTERESTED in them  are totally missing the point.

The right momentum is to hear and see her on skype (or just already hear her on phone as BillyB says) and exchanges few correspondances and photos.

[alex330]

In Ukraine, during summer (june - july - august) in the biggest cities (Kiev - Kharkov - Odessa - Dnepr - Donetsk before)
any >8.5 could meet one, two or three men per week (As Alex330's wife said) not including local men.
any >8 and <=8.5 could meet one man per week approximatively
and any 7 or 7+ can meet few men in a summer.

That's what happen to attractive women in the biggest cities of Ukraine. They are generally registered in an agency and or additionaly registered on some free sites. If they are enough active they can perform such scorecard.

Only the less attractive and/or living in remotely locations, will spend their life on internet, because they don't have a lot of choice.

Pat knows the drill 

[Trenchcoat]

Only the less attractive and/or living in remotely locations, will spend their life on internet, because they don't have a lot of choice.

So all guys who want the ladies to spend tons of time (months) on internet (chat - skype) to be sure that women are ENGAGED and INTERESTED in them  are totally missing the point.

The right momentum is to hear and see her on skype (or just already hear her on phone as BillyB says) and exchanges few correspondances and photos.

The thing here is that many, perhaps most genuine RW will only communicate with a guy for so long before deciding that he is not going to commit to coming. Getting more that one lined up at a time is harder for this reason, since there is often a 'the time to come is now if your going to come at all or I move on moment' from the woman. I find some women too pushy in that regards and I would not go again unless I was certain on the girl, but still potentially a lot of wasted time if a girl you've been messaging a fair bit falls through - good reason for keeping messages short from our side too I think.

[Chicagoguy]

When I finally got serious I went to see 3 women shortly after writing. Two came to meet me in Moscow and for one I had to go to meet in Tomsk. They were all serious, decent women. Maybe because we were all older ? But one turned out to be my best choice for sure - all 7 years ago. Still, within 6 months the other two wrote me with pictures of themselves with their new American men after marriage plus short stories on how well everything was working.

[Patagonie]

Pat knows the drill 

Thank Alex330

There's men's side and the real life of women.

[xiphoid]

Just got off the phone with one of them. Even the phone conversation was the same - "Are you coming?" "When are you coming?" "Ok Good bye, send email" - no normal conversation however cheerful. A little too obsessive I think. Something strange going on here and it makes me uncomfortable. I may have to take a pass on this one...

[Darth_Budda]

Her English skills could need work..  She might not be comfortable speaking english..

[mhr7]

Her English skills could need work..  She might not be comfortable speaking english..

Whoops....wrong thread.

[BillyB]

Just got off the phone with one of them. Even the phone conversation was the same - "Are you coming?" "When are you coming?" "Ok Good bye, send email" - no normal conversation however cheerful. A little too obsessive I think. Something strange going on here and it makes me uncomfortable. I may have to take a pass on this one...

Taking a pass is a good idea.

[Trenchcoat]

Just got off the phone with one of them. Even the phone conversation was the same - "Are you coming?" "When are you coming?" "Ok Good bye, send email" - no normal conversation however cheerful. A little too obsessive I think. Something strange going on here and it makes me uncomfortable. I may have to take a pass on this one...

That's shocking! Its so weird. I have never spoken on the phone with an RW before flying out to meet her, if we spoke it was skype. I'm thinking they chose phone as its quicker than skype. It sure sounds obsessive but on the other hand she may well be serious if she's that obsessive. Perhaps (in messaging not phone) tell her she seems a bit obsessive and ask why stating that even though many men don't come why the obsessiveness, it might provide an interesting answer.

Like I said the second girl I went to see was this obsessive but at least I was pretty sure she was serious and likely to turn up even though we hadn't skyped. Problem is they are (she was) asking for the guy to go all that way out to meet her if there is no chemistry as I found then its a no go. I was also going for a holiday/research/gain experience with culture etc. On a trip from the US (even UK) its a big ask for just one girl. You could always wrap her into a meet many, that's if she can wait that long, lol

[BillyB]

That's shocking! Its so weird. I have never spoken on the phone with an RW before flying out to meet her, if we spoke it was skype.

Get those phone numbers. That way you can talk to the ladies at random times. You may be waking them up from a nap. You may catch them in the nude taking a bath. You may catch them at work. You may catch them walking in a park with their friends. You may find they are cranky and hostile when you catch them at a bad time or you may find they remain sweet and want to talk to you even when they're at work, with friends, or even nude. You may learn something about them. They may never be available Friday's and Saturday nights. They may be party animals or just busy with more important men.