Advice on where to start (Non American guy here)

[Irish-bhoy]

Hello folks!. I guess this is kinda my first post. But I've been a fan of the site for a couple of years now!.

Anyway, I'm looking for advice to start my journey for a wife on Ukraine or Russia!. But I guess it would be more difficult for me since I'm not living in the U.S. or Europe. I'm living in Guatemala. (For those who don't know where that is, we're next to Mexico).

Of course I've read about the costs and all those things, and I'm ready to start the adventure, hopefully I'd be able to book a trip for August/September next year, for around 3 weeks.  So any advice is appreciated!.   

[ML]

Doubt you are going to find much interest in FSUW agreeing to live in Guatemala.

Probably you would have more luck with Columbian women.

If you really are Irish, then that's where some FSUW wouldn't mind going.

[Irish-bhoy]

Doubt you are going to find much interest in FSUW agreeing to live in Guatemala.

Probably you would have more luck with Columbian women.

If you really are Irish, then that's where some FSUW wouldn't mind going.

Yeah, I thought about that, but I saw some threads about some guys living in Asia or Africa, I guess they have the same obstacles as me. I'll see how things develop then.

Thanks for the advice anyway!.

[alex330]

Bit more of a hurdle I would think to convince a RW to move to Guat, but possible. My architect in Costa Rica is married to a Russian woman.

[Larry1]

I agree with Alex that for many FSUW (former soviet union women) it will be a tough sell to get them to move to Guatemala. They all have access to the internet and can find information about the violence there.

I live in the US, in the suburbs of a major city well known for its violent crime. I remember being quizzed at some length by a FSUW about how far I lived from the city, etc. I don't think my answers satisfied her because that was the last time we spoke.

Just as you might develop for a job interview, have an answer prepared to explain how she can stay safe in Guatemala.

Here is a link that contains a lot of advice about conducting  your search:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

[alex330]

It would be an easier path to find a RW and either initially live in her home country or one that is more secure. From there she will support you follow you to the end of the world.

[BillyB]

Hello folks!. I guess this is kinda my first post. But I've been a fan of the site for a couple of years now!.

Anyway, I'm looking for advice to start my journey for a wife on Ukraine or Russia!. But I guess it would be more difficult for me since I'm not living in the U.S. or Europe. I'm living in Guatemala. (For those who don't know where that is, we're next to Mexico).

Of course I've read about the costs and all those things, and I'm ready to start the adventure, hopefully I'd be able to book a trip for August/September next year, for around 3 weeks.  So any advice is appreciated!.   

Welcome to the forum Irish-bhoy. I've seen some RW on dating sites living in Mexico. I guess they once married a Mexican. I understand a lot of Guatemalans are very poor but if you offer a decent life, you have a chance. Just write a lot of women and be open about your life in Guatemala and you hit it off with a woman who wouldn't mind living in Guatemala as long as you're a good guy.

[Gator]

Irish Boy,

 

I encourage you yo pursue RW.  However, you will need to be very focused in screening woman, and be selective about whom you meet.  I suggest you spend much time communicating with RW before deciding to meet them.   

Most RW love the big city with fine shops, and when traveling they want a fine hotel on the beach and to dine at fine restaurants.

Avoid such women.  You need to focus on women who express a desire for travel adventure, not travel to Paris and Italy, but travel to remote places.   Study their hobbies to find women who are not so metropolitan.   If they wish to work, study their current job and education to determine if it is transferable.

An important question to ask early is what excursions they took when traveling.  Did they go trekking or did they ride in a bus to tour museums and ancient sights punctuated by stops at shops selling jewelry, etc.?  Did they sample street food?  Did a half of a slaughtered pig hanging in front of a meat shop bother them? 

I met RW who stayed with me in straw cabanas with bad lighting, and they enjoyed being "close to nature."  One woman I knew had done much rock climbing; she felt imprisoned by big cities with their tall apartment buildings.     

You may have a better chance of finding such women in the smaller cities of the FSU.  Most of the women in Moscow and Kiev have a metropolitan view.   They will be fearful of volcanoes and fer-de-lances, and can not appreciate the million cousins  of cock roaches inhabiting the lush rain forests.

Some RW will like  having inexpensive maids to do all the cleaning so they are free to ride horses  or do art projects.   The Mayan culture will intrigue many.  They will love the weather, even the tropical storms.

You must think about activities will interest your wife while you work.  Do you want to have children? 

Will you be living in Guatemala forever?  If this is temporary, you will have a larger choice of RW who may be interested. 

[alex330]

I met RW who stayed with me in straw cabanas with bad lighting, and they enjoyed being "close to nature."  One woman I knew had done much rock climbing; she felt imprisoned by big cities with their tall apartment buildings.     

They will be fearful of volcanoes and fer-de-lances, and can not appreciate the million cousins  of cock roaches inhabiting the lush rain forests.

Some RW will like  having inexpensive maids to do all the cleaning so they are free to ride horses  or do art projects.   The Mayan culture will intrigue many.  They will love the weather, even the tropical storms.

I think the primary concern and one the woman should be made aware of is the potential for violence. As a visiting tourist the risk is there. As a Slavic looking European living there your risk increases exponentially. That part of the world is very dangerous currently.

In our relatively safe area in Costa Rica we have violent home invasions. Locals poison guard dogs, mug tourists on the beaches, thefts, rapes, etc.

Irish Boy will know more about his specific area in Guat. if he lives there and the dangers.


Edit - there is a Ukrainian travel show called "Heads or Tails". They travel the world and visit different countries. A flip of a a coin decides how they spend the weekend. Winner gets an unlimited black card for the weekend. Loser gets $100. Watch the episode in Honduras or Guat. Watch how a Ukrainian "man" reacts to the country and then picture a woman.

[2tallbill]

Hello folks!. I guess this is kinda my first post. But I've been a fan of the site for a couple of years now!.

Anyway, I'm looking for advice to start my journey for a wife on Ukraine or Russia!. But I guess it would be more difficult for me since I'm not living in the U.S. or Europe. I'm living in Guatemala. (For those who don't know where that is, we're next to Mexico).

Of course I've read about the costs and all those things, and I'm ready to start the adventure, hopefully I'd be able to book a trip for August/September next year, for around 3 weeks.  So any advice is appreciated!.   

A bunch of people jumped on your location. Guatemala has warm weather, fruits and vegetables
year round, Mayan art museums and, beautiful beaches.

What popped out to me was waiting until August/September. It will be difficult to keep a
woman interested for 9-10+ months while you wait for a vacation. If you meet the perfect
woman, when will the next meeting be? another year? My advice is to figure out a way to
go sooner and more often. Maybe work on Saturdays or you can take on extra assignments
for more holidays/vacation?

For general information here are some starter threads

Getting started
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

The Ten Commandments
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0

The Free E-Book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

Bill's adventure (that's me)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0



Udachi!

Bill   

[GQBlues]

I'll second Bill's comment regarding your location and the period of trip/s involved.

Firstly, there are places in the world FSUWs had married unto. From the Philippines, Mexico (even Tijuana), India, Thailand, Brazil, Turkey and even Lebanon just to name a few.

Heck, I know a few of them who married men from Chicago. How much more dangerous can these women be subjected to?  Besides, it isn't like FSU is the safest place to be.

Your greater concern will be your ability to make visitation/s. Aside from the woman/women's perspective, I would also be careful with yours. I say this without knowing what your 'social' situation is where you are. There's possible concerns with you sitting where you are, if void of social life/interaction, where any 'idea' of love and longing with some you haven't met, or think you're 'in-love' with, could really thin out the fine line between reality and delusion to you, and thereby prove harmful to your decision process. Loneliness is arguably the single biggest deficit men face in this experience, IMHO. A lot of mistakes can easily be had. It would be wise to make sure your life is socially at a stable state as this will be both rewarding for you and your future SO. This also insure searching in FSU, or elsewhere, is complimentary instead as a final option.

If it takes you 9 months before you can visit, how long will it take for you follow-up and make another? Just something to consider...

[Gator]

Bill and GQ talk about your second visit.  Second, third, fourth....follow-up visits are very important for developing a relationship.  This is when you confirm your initial meeting feelings, meet the parents and friends if that did not occur in your first visit, etc.   Such is the typical path for American men.  Your case is different. 

In your case, I feel the second visit should be her coming to Guatemala.  What are the Guatemalan visa requirements for a FSUW to visit you?  How long can they stay?     The requirements for Russian citizens may differ from Ukranian citizens. 

Thus your first visit should be fairly long to develop the interest and trust for her to come to Guatemala and see how you live and learn about your country.  So use the interim period to talk, talk, talk via Skype. 

[BillyB]

I think the primary concern and one the woman should be made aware of is the potential for violence. As a visiting tourist the risk is there. As a Slavic looking European living there your risk increases exponentially. That part of the world is very dangerous currently.

In our relatively safe area in Costa Rica we have violent home invasions. Locals poison guard dogs, mug tourists on the beaches, thefts, rapes, etc.

Irish Boy will know more about his specific area in Guat. if he lives there and the dangers.

Crime in Guatemala is the highest in Latin America. Rape is also high. Some RW may even factor in the Zika virus for not moving there.

http://cgrs.uchastings.edu/talking_points_and_stories

I know a guy who went on a mission to one of those small nations in Central America. They gave a man $300 to help repair his home. After they left, he was murdered for the money.

My wife has a friend in college from Venezuela. My wife made a comment she would like to visit there. Her friend told her no blond haired blue eyed woman should be visiting Venezuela. I've heard the same pertaining to other Central American nations.

Of course if Irish-bhoy talks about all the bad in his country, he will scare away the girls but he should understand he needs to provide an environment that is safe for his future wife even if it means moving into a secure neighborhood or another country.

Irish Boy,
 you will need to be very focused in screening woman, and be selective about whom you meet.  I suggest you spend much time communicating with RW before deciding to meet them.   

Yes, beware of any RW that is interested in you since most will not be interested in living in Guatemala. All scammers and gold diggers will be interested in any man anywhere in the world that is willing to spend money on them. Most women who write and show interest in Irish-bhoy will be insincere.

[alex330]

Crime in Guatemala is the highest in Latin America. Rape is also high. Some RW may even factor in the Zika virus for not moving there.

I know a guy who went on a mission to one of those small nations in Central America. They gave a man $300 to help repair his home. After they left, he was murdered for the money.

My wife has a friend in college from Venezuela. My wife made a comment she would like to visit there. Her friend told her no blond haired blue eyed woman should be visiting Venezuela. I've heard the same pertaining to other Central American nations.

The reported crime is high, and keep in mind much of the crime is never reported. Visiting as a tourist in a vacation spot is different than actually living there and having to drive through bad areas. Or having people begin to notice you.

My wife works for a Venezuelan company. When they fly into Crackass they are quickly escorted to the hotel by heavily armed security run by the mafia. Her first ride to the hotel she was filming out the window with her iPhone. The driver freaked at a blonde girl doing this and said she could lose her arm. She cannot even leave the hotel and walk over to the beach her balcony overlooks.


Now, there are some smaller towns or regions outside the cities that are safe in most Central American countries. That's why I mentioned the OP would know more about his situation since he is there.

[Gator]

Alex makes a good point about the crime.  My exposure to Central America is limited to Panama and Costa Rica, far better than what I read about Guatemala. 

Russians receive much criticism about their country, yet I always considered it a safe place.  In my 20 or so trips, my only exposure to crime was my pocket picked (like an idiot I put cash in my trousers pocket), my girlfriend's radio stolen from her car, and witnessing a thief throw a brick through a parked car window in St. Piter to steal a cellphone on the seat. 

It seems to avoid crime in Guatemala, it would be necessary to shelter if not isolate a RW.  RW would not like that.  Irish Bhoy would know best about crime around his home in Guatemala City.   

[Trenchcoat]

Hello folks!. I guess this is kinda my first post. But I've been a fan of the site for a couple of years now!.

Anyway, I'm looking for advice to start my journey for a wife on Ukraine or Russia!. But I guess it would be more difficult for me since I'm not living in the U.S. or Europe. I'm living in Guatemala. (For those who don't know where that is, we're next to Mexico).

Of course I've read about the costs and all those things, and I'm ready to start the adventure, hopefully I'd be able to book a trip for August/September next year, for around 3 weeks.  So any advice is appreciated!.   

The three weeks will make sense as it will be quite a distance and expense for you, for Russia will you travel to the Moscow side or the Siberia side?

I would say though that if you start now many FSU women will not want to wait the 8-9 months time for you're visit, tire and talk to someone else. However, there are things to prepare for in the mean time, learn basic Russian phrases to get around, read up on the dating industry here and in books, and prepare for the time of work/money required. There's nothing wrong with communicating with FSW in the mean time through monthly paid for sites or free ones like Mumba to acclimatize you to the situation but remember it will generally just be practice, few will wait around.

I think you're big problem is that you will need to connect with a girl chemistry wise as many will write you off if you're from Gautamala. If there is chemistry then she may well go wherever. However, she'll no doubt want a reassurance that you can support her out there and she'll not be living uncomfortably in poverty. This doesn't mean displaying your wealth up front (best not to, to avoid gold diggers) but once in a intimate relationship she'll need some idea if she is to consider moving.

Where I'm from in the UK the welfare state is decent enough if worst comes to the worst in most situations, but its still not great and not as good as it used to be. Countries without a decent welfare state system, poverty, high unemployment and crime will be of a concern to her. The FSU dating game doesn't really require you to be a millionaire or have tons of money from what I understand but you need to have a reasonable amount behind you particularly more so if from a poor country like Gautamala to be a practical consideration. That is what I have been doing this past year (apart from a couple of trips to the FSU) investing and growing my wealth in order to make sure I'm in a viable position for a FSW if I find one with chemistry to have no qualms about joining me. Fortunately for me I am in a good position relatively speaking, every pound I earn/save is worth a lot more in Russia and particularly the Ukraine so I can easily outstrip many a Ukrainian's wealth within a short amount of time. The UK is also much nearer to Russia & the Ukraine than say the US or where you are, the weather is more moderate than much of Russia & Ukraine in the winter. Plus the UK is a stable country economically & socially with low crime rate in most areas and a nice strip of water separating it from the troubles of mainland Europe.

So that's all great but for me I still need to fulfill the criteria of finding a woman with chemistry and being able to go forward from there so its still not necessarily easy. I'm about to start up my search again for this coming year. I know some of the pay monthly websites do discounts around Christmas so its a great time to start with a view to going out there for anytime in the February - April period. So about 2-3 months max from when you first start corresponding - less if you're going to meet many I think.   

[msmob]

TC, Why would you refer to welfare systems in relation to bringing a woman to the UK !!!?

You DO realise that bringing a lady to the UK - she'd not be entitled to access 'public funding'

As for our OP...Irish Bhoy....Welcome !  Some FSUW - Former Soviet Union women - might like to live in a beautiful nation with plentiful fruit and beaches ! ... I certainly know one... )) [ Sadly, taken by an Ulster Prod ))))]

I lived in Cyprus - somewhat closer to the FSU  - plenty of Russian speakers  ...a much more familiar option