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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2017, 01:18:46 AM »
The report was 4chan trolling the CIA.....

Nope.  4chan claims they planted the report but David Corn had it long before then. I

The memos reported on by CNN, the NYT, and The Guardian are the summary of the IC's two page executive summary (the "ES") given to Obama, Trump, and the "Gang of Eight", and a 35 page report allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia (the "Report").

The ES was prepared in response to Obama's request for the IC to look into hacking by the Russians.  The Report is also allegedly mentioned in the ES, but the newspaper reports I linked, referred to above, make it clear that no need reporter has read the ES, so that is speculation.  However, the Report is being further investigated by the IC.  John McCain has confirmed this, as has Lindsay Graham.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2017, 07:07:51 AM »
The report has been verified by the FBI and CIA. It has not been made public, and has only been distributed to Obama, Trump, and 8 senior members of Congress. So unless one of them sent it to your, it is unlikely you've seen it.

What is fact is that Russia did "look" for dirt on Trump and the Republicans. Whether or not they have something is still disputed. If Hillary allowed herself to be blackmailed, I'm sure Russia would've tried to bring down Trump...if they have something on him. I don't trust everything in the articles that you linked. If true, senior Democrats will try to get to the bottom of it just like the Republicans did on Benghazi and Hillary's email server.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2017, 08:18:15 AM »
Gator, I’m gonna do the set-up, you do the punch line!!!

...this info would certainly be a big stain on his reputation...

Assuming it is true, a  golden stain on a hotel sheet is insignificant compared to a white stain on a blue dress.   ;D


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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2017, 08:41:01 AM »
Nope.  4chan claims they planted the report but David Corn had it long before then. I

The memos reported on by CNN, the NYT, and The Guardian are the summary of the IC's two page executive summary (the "ES") given to Obama, Trump, and the "Gang of Eight", and a 35 page report allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia (the "Report").

The ES was prepared in response to Obama's request for the IC to look into hacking by the Russians.  The Report is also allegedly mentioned in the ES, but the newspaper reports I linked, referred to above, make it clear that no need reporter has read the ES, so that is speculation.  However, the Report is being further investigated by the IC.  John McCain has confirmed this, as has Lindsay Graham.


LOL!!! Have you read the report? Hilarious.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2017, 09:32:28 AM »
See above. 

From The Guardian link -I remember very well rightwingers stating there were WMD in Iraq, New York could soon be a mushroom cloud, and the invasion of Iraq was critical for America's security.  When I pointed out that WMD can be detected without invasion, and that a country crippled by a decade of sanctions was not in a position to bomb the US, I was met with the same derision as now.  We'll see.  I think the praise of Putin, the only change the Trump team demanded in the GOP platform was a reference to standing with Ukraine, and particularly Manafort's role in the Trump campaign, even when he was "dismissed" suggests there is more than meets the eye here.

I dunno Boe...The group of news media at the forefront of this fairy tale were CNN, NYT, Guardian and the mother-of-all liberal feed - Mother Jones. Noticing that, you could've at least held back with skepticism and only posted once last night.

To make this even more interesting is, the alleged source of the intel was from a *British* who just happened to use to work for, well, the Democrats.

As for Iraq, FYI, there were 2 Senate Investigation conducted post-Bush administration. They not only investigated the very same intelligence available to all at the time, but also *intentional* misrepresentation and/or mishandling by the entire Bush administration to go to war. They came up *zero*.

Anyhow, that war should not have happened if only the UNSC carried out their Gulf War resolution and Conditions of Cease Fire. But Jacque & Putin felt lining their pockets were the better move than making sure Saddam abide by the resolution. So many died unnecessarily but this is ancient history now.

Such a coincidence that our *intelligence* community is always in the spotlight these last two 2-term Democratic administrations.

Maybe we ought to just welcome the second-coming on McCarthyism* and be done with all these silly newsflash! This was the very point I had made here in recent past. The media, especially US-based, should be taken with a large grain of salt & lime - after a good shot of Tequila.

* McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2017, 10:34:45 AM »

Maybe we ought to just welcome the second-coming on McCarthyism* and be done with all these silly newsflash! This was the very point I had made here in recent past. The media, especially US-based, should be taken with a large grain of salt & lime - after a good shot of Tequila.

* McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

Excellent point about McCarthyism.    There are parallels, yet a key difference being McCarthy was a US Senator. 

The story indicates the low level of journalistic integrity to which some of our media companies have sunk. 

It also shows how some individuals working on the "inside" at high level of politics have no scruples, yet that should not surprise anyone. 

It shows that we as common folk should limit our sources of news to those who have earned our trust, and recognize instant news gratification as a recreational drug.

Let us see what the pursuit of truth eventually produces.    It should prove interesting. 

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2017, 12:33:41 PM »
"*McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. "

I thought that was called Hillary bashing?

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2017, 01:29:05 PM »
"*McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. "

I thought that was called Hillary bashing?

Hah! No Krimter...evidence/s surrounding Hillary were all *wiped off with a cloth*  ;) Lynch and Bill agree.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2017, 01:57:10 PM »

LOL!!! Have you read the report? Hilarious.


AFAIK, the actual report has not been made public.  There is nothing to suggest the document CNN has is the document Buzzfeed released.

That being said, the jokes re urine just write themselves, and even if it isn't true, it would be poetic justice if such jokes follow Trump through his presidency.

Meanwhile, the former MI6 operative has now been named publicly and has gone into hiding, and there are reports that the information has come from multiple sources -

http://theweek.com/speedreads/672669/bbc-claims-second-source-backs-trump-dossier
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2017, 03:09:29 PM »
...Incidentally, this has nothing to do with what I believe, and as I have posted, I didn't care, nor do I, who is elected in the US.  The story is interesting to me because of the Russian ties.  It's all you Trumpsters who are apoplectic about it, not me.

Just from a casual observation, you say this but the election is already 2 months ago, and even with the most rabid liberal friends I have, they've moved on with life.

Conversely, you're showing more than a causal interest and participation in discussions, you're sometimes lit up emotionally about anything to do with 'Trump' subjects...

I'm curious why that is, Boe...
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2017, 06:03:07 PM »
why are you guys all "beating up" on 'Bo?  She's not your wife!

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2017, 09:19:47 PM »
I sure hope the fat ass dumb orangutang goes to jail where he belongs for treason for colluding with Russia. What a shameless pathological lier!
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2017, 09:33:46 PM »
I sure hope the fat ass dumb orangutang goes to jail where he belongs for treason for colluding with Russia. What a shameless pathological lier!


you can't make those type of comments they are only permitted by the 'patriots' and only about obama. 


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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2017, 10:39:07 PM »
Sorry I snipped 99% of your post, but I concur with this.


Right, one of those sorry not sorry thangs.  You could have left the video.   :P

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2017, 02:17:53 AM »
Back to the real world !
This raises an obvious and fascinating question: Will Trump even listen to Tillerson's advice? Nobody knows.

Tillerson makes good first impression



Rex Tillerson's testimony at Wednesday's Senate confirmation hearing for secretary of state offered some relief for those worried about a foreign policy meltdown under Donald Trump.

The former Exxon Mobil CEO got a bipartisan grilling about his close ties to top Russian leaders. Senators wanted to know if Tillerson could pivot from pursuit of oil in the Russian Arctic to protecting U.S. interests from a hostile Kremlin.

Not all his answers were clear. But he came across as well-informed and serious (in comparison with the president-elect's performance at a press conference in New York City). Most surprising, his positions often failed to track with those of Trump, including on Russia.
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20170112_Trudy_Rubin__Tillerson_makes_good_first_impression.html

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2017, 04:45:38 AM »
FWIW.

http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trump


I'll see your Clapper with a Gubarev.

Gubarev owns Webzilla who apparently ended up in what I like to refer to as "THE REPORT".  He says he has never been contacted by any intelligence investigators.   He has offices in Dallas.  I wouldn't imagine it being difficult to set up an appointment for a little one on one chat.   The server traffic logs would be a big help in determining what happened.

This stuff is getting beyond ridiculous and making us look like idiots across the globe.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/russia-document-buzzfeed-donald-trump/2017/01/11/id/768061/


"According to the news outlet, mention of Webzilla and Gubarev were among the more specific allegations in the document — including that XBT and affiliates "had been using botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs, steal data and conduct 'altering operations' against the Democratic Party leadership.""
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2017, 08:28:16 AM »
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2017, 01:21:28 PM »
I sure hope the fat ass dumb orangutang goes to jail where he belongs for treason for colluding with Russia. What a shameless pathological lier!

Dang, pitbull! That wasn't very nice. I've been trying to lose weight, and methinks its a thyroid issue but doctor Sergei says he can't prescribe additional medication in fear of conflicting with my daily dose of truth serum.

So give me a break will yah?
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2017, 09:47:05 PM »
Tillerson makes good first impression

Rex Tillerson's testimony at Wednesday's Senate confirmation hearing for secretary of state offered some relief for those worried about a foreign policy meltdown under Donald Trump.


As Secretary of State, Tillerson will be required to push foreign policy as Trump sees fit, not run his own agenda. If Trump wants to hand Iran a turd, all Tillerson can do is polish the turd by being diplomatic when he delivers it.
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« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2017, 02:52:37 AM »
Well, Jone has a valid point from the perspective of someone who owns a website. The primary purpose is to make money or monetize it in some manner.

Unless it is just a hobby site (which this is not since I see ads on it).

To piss off your ideal customer avatar repeatedly goes against all the rules in marketing. I have seen the forum drive off prospective advertisers and the client base time and time again.

The owner obviously has no interest in maintaining it or turning a profit.

Seeing as most of us with experience may have depreciated some of the advertisers' sites, I regard this point as irrelevant :)

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2017, 11:31:44 PM »
While browsing, I ran across an article discussing Trump stating something along the lines of dropping the Russian sanctions, in a trade off for both countries reducing their nuclear arsenal.  I'm ok with such an agreement, but it does seem like just an excuse to assist Putin.  Perhaps Trump feels that at least the USA can claim to have gotten something in such a deal. 

Trump's offer to Putin: an end to sanctions for nuclear arms cut - London Times


U.S. President-elect Donald Trump will propose offering to end sanctions imposed on Russia for its annexation of Crimea in return for a nuclear arms reduction deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin, he told The Times of London.


Trump, in an interview with the newspaper published online on Sunday, was deeply critical of previous U.S. foreign policy, describing the invasion of Iraq as possibly the gravest error in the history of the United States and akin to “throwing rocks into a beehive”.


But ahead of his inauguration on Friday as the 45th U.S. president, Trump raised the prospect of the first major step toward nuclear arms control since ...


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-arms-deal-idUSKBN14Z0YE


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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2017, 12:06:50 AM »
it turns out that the sanctions imposed on Russia  by the US were done by Executive Order, so Trump at the stroke of a pen can completely reverse the sanctions imposed by the evil Muslim Obama administration.  There were two congressional bills relating to sanctions and aid to Ukraine:

Senate S.2828  - ukraine freedom act which never passed
House  H.R.5859 - which passed, but DIRECTED THE PRESIDENT to impose specific sanctions by Executive Order and authorized him to provide different types of aid to Ukraine, including military aid.

A few days ago Trumpet said, “sanctions will be dropped, if Russia is helpful, Why would anybody have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?”

So it would appear that the deal (probably made long ago) is for Putin to provide some basket of goodies that really doesn’t cost him anything that looks good to Congress and the public, and that after that sanctions will be dropped and Exxon/Tillerson will be free to resume its 500 billion dollar deal with Russia, which is all just one heck of a coincidence, and not by design, right?

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2017, 11:17:31 AM »
Krimster,

You left out the part where Trump's sons start construction of new hotels and condos in Moscow.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2017, 12:50:36 PM »
I haven't heard that, I know in the past he has tried unsuccessfully to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, usually his children's "deals" are just his, but in the final step of the negotiation when documents are signed instead of putting his own signature he instead puts one of his children's, this is why they're each worth a few hundred million at such a young age (after all it's how he got started as well)

 

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