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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2017, 12:29:54 AM »
The report was 4chan trolling the CIA.....

Aww. You let the cat out of the bag, Alex! >:( :P

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2017, 12:50:16 AM »
Oh...hold on...there's more breaking fake news coming in over the wire...

ditdadit...didadit

Oh, no...Bernie Sanders is a Russian Spy!

..."Senator Bernie Sanders's long-ago "honeymoon" in the Soviet Union is held up by his opponents as evidence of dubious judgment, and even Communist sympathies or anti-American tendencies. The self-described socialist was questioned about the visit during a debate of Democratic presidential candidates in October as a way to raise doubts about his electability.

Those descriptions and concerns are based on distortions and exaggerations:..."

www.bloombergview.com


Gee, really?

...Rumor has it an FSB intelligence report circulating around Washington allegedly reports Bernie and his wife spilled tea on the hotel bed they spent their Honeymoon in because he knew he was going to lose the primary against Hillary 30 years later and she had stayed in the same room once... :P

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2017, 01:10:06 AM »
LMAO! Boe, I have never seen you this excited you had to post consecutive posts.  ;D

Gee, I hope you didn't get yourself too flushed you can't sleep tonight. Just imagine what if this was actually real? 😝
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2017, 01:18:46 AM »
The report was 4chan trolling the CIA.....

Nope.  4chan claims they planted the report but David Corn had it long before then. I

The memos reported on by CNN, the NYT, and The Guardian are the summary of the IC's two page executive summary (the "ES") given to Obama, Trump, and the "Gang of Eight", and a 35 page report allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia (the "Report").

The ES was prepared in response to Obama's request for the IC to look into hacking by the Russians.  The Report is also allegedly mentioned in the ES, but the newspaper reports I linked, referred to above, make it clear that no need reporter has read the ES, so that is speculation.  However, the Report is being further investigated by the IC.  John McCain has confirmed this, as has Lindsay Graham.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2017, 01:25:12 AM »
LMAO! Boe, I have never seen you this excited you had to post consecutive posts.  ;D

Gee, I hope you didn't get yourself too flushed you can't sleep tonight. Just imagine what if this was actually real? 😝

See above. 

From The Guardian link -
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(T)he documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.  .   .


The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to
one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.


A month after Trump’s surprise election victory, Page was back in Moscow saying he was meeting with “business leaders and thought leaders”, dismissing the FBI investigation as a “witch-hunt” and suggesting the Russian hacking of the Democratic Party alleged by US intelligence agencies, could be a false flag operation to incriminate Moscow.


Another of the reports compiled by the former western counter-intelligence official in July said that members of Trump’s team, which was led by campaign manager Paul Manafort (a former consultant for pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine), had knowledge of the DNC hacking operation, and in return “had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/Nato defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine”.

A few days later, Trump raised the possibility that his administration might recognise Russia’s annexation of Crimea and
openly called on Moscow to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails.In August, officials from the Trump campaign intervened in the drafting of the Republican party platform, specifically to remove a call for lethal assistance to Ukraine for its battle against Moscow-backed eastern rebels.
I remember very well rightwingers stating there were WMD in Iraq, New York could soon be a mushroom cloud, and the invasion of Iraq was critical for America's security.  When I pointed out that WMD can be detected without invasion, and that a country crippled by a decade of sanctions was not in a position to bomb the US, I was met with the same derision as now.  We'll see.  I think the praise of Putin, the only change the Trump team demanded in the GOP platform was a reference to standing with Ukraine, and particularly Manafort's role in the Trump campaign, even when he was "dismissed" suggests there is more than meets the eye here.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2017, 07:07:51 AM »
The report has been verified by the FBI and CIA. It has not been made public, and has only been distributed to Obama, Trump, and 8 senior members of Congress. So unless one of them sent it to your, it is unlikely you've seen it.

What is fact is that Russia did "look" for dirt on Trump and the Republicans. Whether or not they have something is still disputed. If Hillary allowed herself to be blackmailed, I'm sure Russia would've tried to bring down Trump...if they have something on him. I don't trust everything in the articles that you linked. If true, senior Democrats will try to get to the bottom of it just like the Republicans did on Benghazi and Hillary's email server.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2017, 08:18:15 AM »
Gator, I’m gonna do the set-up, you do the punch line!!!

...this info would certainly be a big stain on his reputation...

Assuming it is true, a  golden stain on a hotel sheet is insignificant compared to a white stain on a blue dress.   ;D


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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2017, 08:41:01 AM »
Nope.  4chan claims they planted the report but David Corn had it long before then. I

The memos reported on by CNN, the NYT, and The Guardian are the summary of the IC's two page executive summary (the "ES") given to Obama, Trump, and the "Gang of Eight", and a 35 page report allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia (the "Report").

The ES was prepared in response to Obama's request for the IC to look into hacking by the Russians.  The Report is also allegedly mentioned in the ES, but the newspaper reports I linked, referred to above, make it clear that no need reporter has read the ES, so that is speculation.  However, the Report is being further investigated by the IC.  John McCain has confirmed this, as has Lindsay Graham.


LOL!!! Have you read the report? Hilarious.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2017, 09:32:28 AM »
See above. 

From The Guardian link -I remember very well rightwingers stating there were WMD in Iraq, New York could soon be a mushroom cloud, and the invasion of Iraq was critical for America's security.  When I pointed out that WMD can be detected without invasion, and that a country crippled by a decade of sanctions was not in a position to bomb the US, I was met with the same derision as now.  We'll see.  I think the praise of Putin, the only change the Trump team demanded in the GOP platform was a reference to standing with Ukraine, and particularly Manafort's role in the Trump campaign, even when he was "dismissed" suggests there is more than meets the eye here.

I dunno Boe...The group of news media at the forefront of this fairy tale were CNN, NYT, Guardian and the mother-of-all liberal feed - Mother Jones. Noticing that, you could've at least held back with skepticism and only posted once last night.

To make this even more interesting is, the alleged source of the intel was from a *British* who just happened to use to work for, well, the Democrats.

As for Iraq, FYI, there were 2 Senate Investigation conducted post-Bush administration. They not only investigated the very same intelligence available to all at the time, but also *intentional* misrepresentation and/or mishandling by the entire Bush administration to go to war. They came up *zero*.

Anyhow, that war should not have happened if only the UNSC carried out their Gulf War resolution and Conditions of Cease Fire. But Jacque & Putin felt lining their pockets were the better move than making sure Saddam abide by the resolution. So many died unnecessarily but this is ancient history now.

Such a coincidence that our *intelligence* community is always in the spotlight these last two 2-term Democratic administrations.

Maybe we ought to just welcome the second-coming on McCarthyism* and be done with all these silly newsflash! This was the very point I had made here in recent past. The media, especially US-based, should be taken with a large grain of salt & lime - after a good shot of Tequila.

* McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2017, 10:34:45 AM »

Maybe we ought to just welcome the second-coming on McCarthyism* and be done with all these silly newsflash! This was the very point I had made here in recent past. The media, especially US-based, should be taken with a large grain of salt & lime - after a good shot of Tequila.

* McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

Excellent point about McCarthyism.    There are parallels, yet a key difference being McCarthy was a US Senator. 

The story indicates the low level of journalistic integrity to which some of our media companies have sunk. 

It also shows how some individuals working on the "inside" at high level of politics have no scruples, yet that should not surprise anyone. 

It shows that we as common folk should limit our sources of news to those who have earned our trust, and recognize instant news gratification as a recreational drug.

Let us see what the pursuit of truth eventually produces.    It should prove interesting. 

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2017, 12:33:41 PM »
"*McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. "

I thought that was called Hillary bashing?

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2017, 01:29:05 PM »
"*McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. "

I thought that was called Hillary bashing?

Hah! No Krimter...evidence/s surrounding Hillary were all *wiped off with a cloth*  ;) Lynch and Bill agree.
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2017, 01:57:10 PM »

LOL!!! Have you read the report? Hilarious.


AFAIK, the actual report has not been made public.  There is nothing to suggest the document CNN has is the document Buzzfeed released.

That being said, the jokes re urine just write themselves, and even if it isn't true, it would be poetic justice if such jokes follow Trump through his presidency.

Meanwhile, the former MI6 operative has now been named publicly and has gone into hiding, and there are reports that the information has come from multiple sources -

http://theweek.com/speedreads/672669/bbc-claims-second-source-backs-trump-dossier
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2017, 02:44:00 PM »
Nope.  4chan claims they planted the report but David Corn had it long before then. I

The memos reported on by CNN, the NYT, and The Guardian are the summary of the IC's two page executive summary (the "ES") given to Obama, Trump, and the "Gang of Eight", and a 35 page report allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia (the "Report").

The ES was prepared in response to Obama's request for the IC to look into hacking by the Russians.  The Report is also allegedly mentioned in the ES, but the newspaper reports I linked, referred to above, make it clear that no need reporter has read the ES, so that is speculation.  However, the Report is being further investigated by the IC.  John McCain has confirmed this, as has Lindsay Graham.

Not even close. :P

NBC's at least trying to approach an approximation of the truth and set the story straight with this article.

CNN and MSNBC are back peddling like crazy and if Graham and/or McCain are tangled up in this somehow they'll have some 'splaining to do.

Donald Trump Wasn't Told About Unverified Russia Dossier, Official Says

..."President-elect Donald Trump was not told about unverified reports that Russia has compromising information on him during last week's intelligence briefing, according to a senior intelligence official with knowledge of preparations for the briefing. "...

..."A 35-page dossier published by BuzzFeed on Tuesday includes claims that the Russian government has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for five years — even obtaining compromising information in an effort to blackmail him. The document, which was not prepared by the U.S. government, contains obvious errors. It was originally generated as part of opposition research by anti-Trump Republicans and then shopped by Democrats."...

"Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period," the senior official said.

According to the senior official, the two-page summary about the unsubstantiated material made available to the briefers was to provide context, should they need it, to draw the distinction for Trump between analyzed intelligence and unvetted "disinformation."

www.nbcnews.com


1) The two page so called "ES" you so breathlessly proclaimed?...Well, it appears, to have been a teaching tool to show the president-elect the difference between 'intelligence' and 'disinformation'. ;)

2) The so-called 35 page report (the obviously faked "report" I linked last night) allegedly prepared for the Democrats by a former MI6 counterintelligence operative with deep contacts in Russia appears now to have been generated as" opposition research" by anti Trump republicans and "shopped" by the Democrats.

Truly honorable these people, eh? What's the bet the "retired MI6 operative" turns out to be a group of political interns and the "deep contacts in Russia' was actually a campaign lunch room table somewhere. ;D

3) "Intel and law enforcement officials agree that none of the investigations have found any conclusive or direct link between Trump and the Russian government period,"

As far as your "ES" not being read by the media goes...I think, we're going to find the "ES" was leaked to the Liberal/MSM and in their frenzied quest to find something ... anything... damaging to undermine Trump, didn't do their due diligence (research) and misreported a 'teaching tool' as a 'real time' intelligence briefing.

You'll argue my last point, of course. However, right or wrong this entire media induced debacle is turning out to be a truly embarrassing moment for the liberals/MSM.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2017, 02:56:28 PM »
You will believe what you want to believe. 


The fact is this has been handed to the FBI, John McCain acknowledged that.  The fact is more than one source, and more than one agency, has made the core allegations.  This fits into the pre election narrative of the number of people in the Trump camp with deep ties to the Russian leadership.  No use denying reality.


Incidentally, this has nothing to do with what I believe, and as I have posted, I didn't care, nor do I, who is elected in the US.  The story is interesting to me because of the Russian ties.  It's all you Trumpsters who are apoplectic about it, not me.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2017, 03:01:31 PM »

AFAIK, the actual report has not been made public.  There is nothing to suggest the document CNN has is the document Buzzfeed released.

Your own link states...

..."BuzzFeed News has been heavily criticized for publishing the unsubstantiated intelligence in full Tuesday night, which alleges collusion between Trump and Russia as well as the existence of a tape that would be embarrassing for Trump were it to be released."...

No matter how hard you wish for it...the faked report is all there is. ;)

That being said, the jokes re urine just write themselves, and even if it isn't true, it would be poetic justice if such jokes follow Trump through his presidency.

Be careful, now...You're just a disinterested bystander, remember?

Meanwhile, the former MI6 operative has now been named publicly and has gone into hiding, and there are reports that the information has come from multiple sources -

http://theweek.com/speedreads/672669/bbc-claims-second-source-backs-trump-dossier

No doubt! If this is the guy who compiled that trash his professional reputation would be ruined. He'd never be hired again. Not to mention civilly exposed for defamation through libel.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2017, 03:01:52 PM »
And while I am at it, you can knock off the labels.  You don't know my politics.  You are making assumptions. 

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2017, 03:09:29 PM »
...Incidentally, this has nothing to do with what I believe, and as I have posted, I didn't care, nor do I, who is elected in the US.  The story is interesting to me because of the Russian ties.  It's all you Trumpsters who are apoplectic about it, not me.

Just from a casual observation, you say this but the election is already 2 months ago, and even with the most rabid liberal friends I have, they've moved on with life.

Conversely, you're showing more than a causal interest and participation in discussions, you're sometimes lit up emotionally about anything to do with 'Trump' subjects...

I'm curious why that is, Boe...
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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2017, 03:20:55 PM »
And while I am at it, you can knock off the labels.  You don't know my politics.  You are making assumptions.

You're as liberal as they come, Bo.   ;)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=20188.msg415933;topicseen#msg415933

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2017, 03:25:26 PM »
So how do you account for the hundreds of hours I spent campaigning for Ralph Klein, including for his initial leadership bid?  Ed Stelmach?  Jim Prentice?  How do you account for the time I am spending currently making calls and selling memberships for Jason Kenney? 


Yup, that's as "liberal" as they come.





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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2017, 03:33:10 PM »
So how do you account for the hundreds of hours I spent campaigning for Ralph Klein, including for his initial leadership bid?  Ed Stelmach?  Jim Prentice?  How do you account for the time I am spending currently making calls and selling memberships for Jason Kenney? 


Yup, that's as "liberal" as they come.

LOL, I hope you have brakes on that bicycle of your's because you're back paddling faster than a CNN news pundit!  ;D

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2017, 03:36:46 PM »
No, it is about labeling things you know nothing about. 

I have never, ever stated I care about the results of the US election.  I worked for the Mulroney conservatives as well, incidentally.  I did not support Kim Campbell, knew she'd be a disaster.  I did not support the Harperites because of their regressive social positions. 

As I have posted in the past, I am probably more conservative in my private life than any of the so called "conservatives" on this forum.

It is not about back pedalling.  It is about you making assumptions based on slivers of information I care to share.

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2017, 04:00:03 PM »
No, it is about labeling things you know nothing about. 

I have never, ever stated I care about the results of the US election.  I worked for the Mulroney conservatives as well, incidentally.  I did not support Kim Campbell, knew she'd be a disaster.  I did not support the Harperites because of their regressive social positions. 

As I have posted in the past, I am probably more conservative in my private life than any of the so called "conservatives" on this forum.

It is not about back pedalling.  It is about you making assumptions based on slivers of information I care to share.

Bo,  You can make excuses till the cows come home but at the end of the day you're the one who posted the first sentence in the link's quote, not I. ;)

Now, if you want to pretend you're a conservative then fill your boots.

However, you're giving yourself away when you post  "I did not support the Harperites because of their regressive social positions."

Why? Because we (Harperites) Conservatives like and support those social positions you call "regressive".  ;D

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Re: Putin, Trump, who's really running the show now?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2017, 04:27:17 PM »
I never claimed to be a conservative either. 


The point is you are labeling me without knowing my views.  You're not the first to do so, nor the last.

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« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2017, 04:35:48 PM »
I never claimed to be a conservative either.


The point is you are labeling me without knowing my views.  You're not the first to do so, nor the last.

No, it is about labeling things you know nothing about. 

I have never, ever stated I care about the results of the US election.  I worked for the Mulroney conservatives as well, incidentally.  I did not support Kim Campbell, knew she'd be a disaster.  I did not support the Harperites because of their regressive social positions. 

As I have posted in the past, I am probably more conservative in my private life than any of the so called "conservatives" on this forum.

It is not about back pedalling.  It is about you making assumptions based on slivers of information I care to share.

Give it up, Bo.  :P

Here...



...this'll make you feel better. ;D

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