Has anybody used RussianScamCheck?

[jb]

Frankly, IMHO, it's a waste of time.

If you have to resort to this kind of back door detective tactic, you shouldn't be here in the first place.  No long term relationship, much less a marriage, should be based upon what some flower delivery guy tells you. 

Any one who tells you they can sort out your marriage partner based on a single rose and a digital picture is leading the blind man down the garden path to distruction.  I humbly suggest that if you have a question mark in your mind about whether or not she's really real or not, just continure to write letters a bit longer, the scammer will eventually expose her/himself, the good girls will emerge over time for who and what they are.  Of course, it goes without saying that after 5 or 6 emails of mutual attraction and demonstrated sincere interest, you should have a phone contact number and a soild home address so that you can call her, if not,,,, NEXT~! 

As Leslie said, this is not rocket science, get back to basics and get it right from the beginning.  If after a month of back and forth e-mails, you still don't know her first, middle, and last names, her home address, her home and cell phone numbers, you are probably dealing with either a pro-dater or an outright scammer.  You newbies who ask such questions have already broken the commandment; "Do not fall in love with a photograph", and are trying to find ways to justify your fantasy and wish fulfillment.

This, of course, is still only a first step, until you actually meet, she's still just a PenPal.

[BC]

Frankly, IMHO, it's a waste of time.

Of course, it goes without saying that after 5 or 6 emails of mutual attraction and demonstrated sincere interest, you should have a phone contact number and a soild home address so that you can call her, if not,,,, NEXT~! 

..........

If after a month of back and forth e-mails, you still don't know her first, middle, and last names, her home address, her home and cell phone numbers, you are probably dealing with either a pro-dater or an outright scammer.

jb,

Are you contradicting yourself?... In this age of instant gratification, for 5 or 6 emails we are certainly talking a couple days at the most.. 

Is this a sign we 'pickled peckers' are getting too slow for a fast paced world? 

hehe...

[antiscam_advise]

BTW, this post from you is factually incorrect. It is for a single long stem rose, delivery, a digital picture and includes delivery and your surcharge due to the low order value. One can only assume that your minions would also have checked the delivery address before attempting delivery.
Do these services you claim as yours actually belong to you? You seem to have but a fleeting acquaintance with them...

Yes, services belong to me: and I am proud to admit that our customer base grew from 10 people in 2002 to tens of thousands in 2006... we are still growing.
I doubt all of these people are as paranoid as you described in your full-of-negativity posts ...

Checking address is often done, when needed. These 2 services are not only separated by Marketing proposition, but also by factual services provided:
Picture vs no picture
Included delivery fee vs NOT

If you would attempt to deliver single rose & gift card to some random city in Russia & take a digital photo - how much would it cost you?
I welcome your advise on how would do the service we provide CHEAPER and with the same quality ?

Additionally, florists or just contract employees do not usually bother to provide feedback on delivery and when they are paid more for Scam Check service: they write everything down and send us complete report .
In small towns or villages we do not have our own employees: just subcontracted florists, but in most cities of decent size we have our own people. Quality of delivery and order execution is control regardless of who executes the order.
 2 years when we built his network we had to fire a lots of people before found great team .


As for your comment about the offensive gift of a single rose: for a 2nd time i dissagree that it is cheap gift: LONG stem rose in a wrap doesn't look cheap at all. Yet after considering people's input I added more product on Scam Check website:
http://www.RussianScamCheck.org

Thanks for all the comments!

Damien
http://www.RussianScamCheck.org

[antiscam_advise]

If you feel you 'must' do this then simply use their normal service. Not their paranoid special for which they charge extra.

The proprietor was incorrect when he suggested that the prices for the two services are about the same.

If you want a picture of your penfirend with her flowers simply order through the link I supplied above.
They will do the following:
1) Check the address (otherwise how can they give instructions to the delivery boy)
2) Deliver the flowers
3) Take a picture
Cost: Slightly less than $26.00

or pay the higher fee and get the following:
1) Check the address (otherwise how can they give instructions to the delivery boy)
2) Deliver the flowers
3) Take a picture
Cost: $36.00

Andrew,

Firstlly, I am not a proprietor: we are US-based LLC.

Now in regards to your price breakdown: it's incorrect.

Here is the correct one:

www.RussianFlora.com will do the following:
1) Check the address is not provided unless the delivery is not succesfull (if it - it'll be an extra charge, if it has an extra cost)
In most cases we try our best to locate the person in public soources, yet as mentioned before they are poorly available for smaller towns

2) Deliver the singe rose: $ 18.90 + $12 (average deliverey fee)
Gift card: $2.49

3) Take a picture: $10 charged
Price: $43.39

This includes delivery surcharge for low order, dig picture (billed after it's taken),gift card and delivery fee

With www.RussianScamCheck.org you'll get the following:
1). Check the address
2) Deliver the flowers and card
3) Take a picture

Price: $44

Regards,

Damien

[Leslie]

Andrew & Jooky,

I have given you time to come up with alternative strategies.  No sign of them.  You have not given a newcomer any practical alternative.  I posted this upthread and it still applies -

"There is a tablet of stone here  -

Ensure you are writing to a real woman who has a genuine interest in you.

Flower/photo/passport check is just one tool.  Telephone conversations are another.  If she does not speak good English DON'T use the agency interpreter.  Use a local  (USA) one to organise a three way call.  Both these strategies deter scammers.  If you are looking for guarantees you should not be involved in this quest.

None of this is important to the experienced guys who have made a couple of trips.  You will have learned by experience. Developed your own style and approach. 

It is vitally important to the guys who have not yet made the first trip. 

We currently have a newcomer (Neil) who has spent the last 3 months writing to "Fat Yuri".  Whether the photo check costs $25 or $100 matters not one jot.  This is pocket change.  Money well spent.  Using a service like this DOES expose scammers.  PERIOD.

You have no personal experience of using services like this whatsoever.  You are a very experienced guy who lives in FSU.  You are never going to be one of Damien's customers. 

All you offer to the inexperienced guys is your usual mixture of condescending derision and scorn.....
 

[jb]

Are you contradicting yourself?... In this age of instant gratification, for 5 or 6 emails we are certainly talking a couple days at the most..

Yes, I suppose I'm dating myself, I was thinking back to the time when *honest* girls trudged to the internet cafes two or three times a week to answer e-mails.  With the age of scammers who have instant access to a computer and high speed internet hookups,,, I guess I just forgot myself there for a few moments.

Sorry...

[Leslie]

jb,

"Yes, I suppose I'm dating myself, I was thinking back to the time when *honest* girls trudged to the internet cafes two or three times a week to answer e-mails. "

LOL Times change!  Two or Three months is time for hundreds of e-mails.  Think about that @ $10 a pop.  Bruno has recent experience and his direct approach is IMHO an excellent strategy.  It is all too easy to waste your life playing internet spook games.  Be up front and direct. 

Oh of course this advice does not apply to the 90% of guys who will never make the trip...

[PeeWee]

I recall this same service being offered some 5 years ago. Back in the day of Shane Neff and what ever forum he was involved with. I recall seeing the photos of numerous happy ladies holding their big bunch of flowers. They really looked happy. If nothing else one of two things happened. You wasted your money sending flowers to Slimey Sveltana or you really did make a lady's day.

I have appreciated Damien's patience with Andrew. He has maintained a professional manner through out. If for no other reason I would feel compeled to us his service for flower deliver in Russia.

Peewee

[JustPlaneCrazy]

I have appreciated Damien's patience with Andrew. He has maintained a professional manner through out. If for no other reason I would feel compeled to us his service for flower deliver in Russia.

Peewee

I did use it and with their help found out that the woman I had been writing AND speaking to on the phone was only a scam as she did not live where she said.

After I got my report, I confronted the woman about her address (the woman who said in many emails that she could not live without me) she got mad, told me to forget it and I never heard from her again...

......now, I really thought she was legit, I spoke on the phone with her and she seemed very genuine, so much so, I was ready to book my flight to see her.  Guess the scam would have caught up with me when I arrived in Russia.....

[BillyB]

Crazy,

I can't assume you're as wise as a man who's been around this international dating scene multiple years but it's evident Damien's service saved you money on a trip. An experienced man would've exposed this woman without a address check but I can't fault anyone who's not at that point of experience. You started this thread and I'm glad you finished it telling us your results.

Obviously there is a need for an address check if Damien has thousands of customers. Many men may be considered paranoid or they can be considered wise in the sense they know their limits and capability of not understanding this international dating scene. We can say they have no business doing this but we can also say these nutty men have no business marrying anyone regardless where she's located at. No matter how freaky you are, you have the right to marry and multiply.

If a man has doubts about a woman, he should move on. Observing the actions of the majority of men out there, it's easier said than done. Some men invest time and some money, especially if you are taking a trip overseas. Men who have married for 10 or more years are not going to simply walk out on their marriage because of a doubt. But the guy might hire a private detective to remove his doubt. Hiring a detective sounds as sleazy as an address check but it's not my life that's going to get turned upside down when the guy's bitch is transferring a disease she obtained from screwing another man. I don't have to live with a man's decision if he hires a detective but he does.

I used to ridicule men who needed some sort of assistance to get by in life. Not anymore. Some men have shortcomings that can't be overcome or haven't the wisdom yet that they will obtain in the future. They have the right to get assistance solving a problem they normally couldn't solve on their own. The assistance could be getting educated on this forum or hiring help.

Crazy didn't sound crazy/paranoid to me. He used a service and the results were it saved himself thousands of $ from committing to a trip and the continued wasted time writing the woman who early on lied where she lived. The end result was he made a move, though some don't agree with the method, for the benefit of himself. Smart.

[PeeWee]

Crazy,

I can't assume you're as wise as a man who's been around this international dating scene multiple years but it's evident Damien's service saved you money on a trip. An experienced man would've exposed this woman without a address check but I can't fault anyone who's not at that point of experience. You started this thread and I'm glad you finished it telling us your results.


Crazy didn't sound crazy/paranoid to me. He used a service and the results were it saved himself thousands of $ from committing to a trip and the continued wasted time writing the woman who early on lied where she lived. The end result was he made a move, though some don't agree with the method, for the benefit of himself. Smart.

It seems that he would have sent to her flowers at some point in their budding relationship (pardon the pun). May as well been to learn early on if she was real or not. Like I said earlier this flower system has been around for a while now.
 
BillyB, you said that an experienced man would have exposed her without resorting to an address check. How would an experience man have done this? Todd has some experience in this, maybe not as many years as some, but he does have 5 years of experience up to and including the K-1 visa process.

BillyB, how's the weather where you are? Any Angels sightings today?

Peewee

[andrewfi]

Andrew,

Firstlly, I am not a proprietor: we are US-based LLC.

Now in regards to your price breakdown: it's incorrect.

Here is the correct one:

www.RussianFlora.com will do the following:
1) Check the address is not provided unless the delivery is not succesfull (if it - it'll be an extra charge, if it has an extra cost)
In most cases we try our best to locate the person in public soources, yet as mentioned before they are poorly available for smaller towns

2) Deliver the singe rose: $ 18.90 + $12 (average deliverey fee)
Gift card: $2.49

3) Take a picture: $10 charged
Price: $43.39

This includes delivery surcharge for low order, dig picture (billed after it's taken),gift card and delivery fee

With www.RussianScamCheck.org you'll get the following:
1). Check the address
2) Deliver the flowers and card
3) Take a picture

Price: $44

Regards,

Damien

If what you say is correct then you need to check your shopping cart application because it is giving the wrong prices. I did previously provide the link for your benefit. My recollection of your Scamcheck price for your single bloom was $36 it is now showing as $44.
I am a tad surprised that you tell us a delivery firm does not check addresses before delivery. Are you REALLY telling us that?

Leslie ~ I do not think I wrote that one should not use a flower delivery service, I originally commented upon the type of offering and also its price. I do question its value in practical terms and I am sure I have no need to repeat the valid points. Justplanecrazy would have found the flowers to be undeliverable by using any other reputable service, or Damien's normal and strangely similar service - the woman did not live at the address she gave. Undoubtedly she will learn from her mistake and improve next time round.That said I am happy he did find out sooner rather than later. This woman's next victim is unlikely to be so lucky.

[BC]

With 10.000 customers I would think it is quite possible that there have been multiple deliveries (or attempts) from different customers to one scammer.

If delivery is not possible or scam encountered will the next guy coming along be charged to send flowers to the same girl/address? Or is the customer advised up front he is being scammed?

[andrewfi]

With 10.000 customers I would think it is quite possible that there have been multiple deliveries (or attempts) from different customers to one scammer.

If delivery is not possible or scam encountered will the next guy coming along be charged to send flowers to the same girl/address? Or is the customer advised up front he is being scammed?

In all honesty, if Damien's Scamcheck service reliably offered that function as a fundamental part of the service then IMHO that WOULD be worth the money thay ask, flowers or no flowers! But can one adequately rely upon the previous feedback of people who, as Damien previously told us, are not detectives but flower deliverers with a pencil and a camera? Would YOU trust them?

[BillyB]

BillyB, you said that an experienced man would have exposed her without resorting to an address check. How would an experience man have done this? Todd has some experience in this, maybe not as many years as some, but he does have 5 years of experience up to and including the K-1 visa process.

BillyB, how's the weather where you are? Any Angels sightings today?

Peewee

Yeah,  I've seen Blue Angels yesterday when I was at work and will see them fly again today.

I forgot Todd had some experience but I'd admit myself even after experience being married to a UW I met in the States, I was a little naive about international dating before I found these forums.

If a man is contacting a single woman, based on MANY phone calls he can gauge if the woman is maintaining a high level of interest in him. If she is not interested over many calls, the woman could be a scammer, GCG, pro dater, or she may be a sincere woman who he simply could not entertain properly on the phone. A man who decides to write one woman has a harder road to travel over one who writes many since he tends to invest a lot effort into the woman to the point of ignoring minor red flags as evident of many of the men who ended up visiting one only to find out they weren't compatable. The man who contacts many have much more options and are usually the man who does not ask questions in the forum because he most likely will have a few of the women give their phone numbers with little resistance. Only the fools in love with a photo will continue with the woman who supplies resistance to his efforts over a woman who does not.

[Bruno]

A man who decides to write one woman has a harder road to travel over one who writes many since he tends to invest a lot effort into the woman to the point of ignoring minor red flags as evident of many of the men who ended up visiting one only to find out they weren't compatable. The man who contacts many have much more options and are usually the man who does not ask questions in the forum because he most likely will have a few of the women give their phone numbers with little resistance.

BillyB, about your study over visit one and visit many, you forget a important factor called time...

These VM use very little time with each women... in some case, it can be only one hour of face to face... in so short time, it is almost impossible to see the possible red flag and know the compatibility level... Maybe the VO who stay several days with one lady will discover that they are incompatible... i think that it is maybe better that the VM who only discover it after the marriage.

I am a WOVO... repeated several time until i have find the right lady... my method allow me to have more face time with the woman before take some decision... and i don't think that i am the guy who make a lot of questions here, i mainly reply to question...

The guy who plan to visit 20 women in one trip need to stay minimum 20 week for have the time to know the right one... but usually, these men who visit 20 women stay only a few day... the final choice will be more based on the lust factor and not the real quality of the woman.

Again, in all this procedure, i repeat that time is the main factor... if you are able to stay several month in FSU, visit many is a good week... but if you have only short time stay, one or two week, visit one is not a bad strategie : you will know if she is the right one or not... Visit many during a short stay lead to nothing good, you will have date several women but not know enough about them for make the right choice...

[BillyB]

Bruno,

I was talking strickly about the writing phase of getting to know a woman.

The pros and cons of VM or VO are different than WM and WO. The overwhelming trip reports that end up a bust are the ones that are WOVO. The guy who visits 5 women always seem to find at least one he's compatable with. Of course nobody has any business proposing on a first visit unless he's spent months with the woman. I started out as a WOVO, switched to a WMVM, and ended up a WMVO(with backup) which worked out perfect for me.

[PeeWee]

The Write Many Visit Many is for the guy who likes to have a back  up plan because is is unsure about himself, her, or his social skills, is it not? (One, two, or all three of those reasons) The Write One Visit One appeals the the guy who is a little more self assured about himself, his lady, or his social skills, is it not?

I did not consider the WMVM in the past 5 or so years. I have WM then narrowed it to WO then VO. LOL!!!  WMWOVO.  Holy crap. Write Many, Write One, Visit One. This seems to work best for me. I find the scammer early and have yet to be scammed. I suspect that my chances of that happening are decreasing as time moves forward. I like to send flowers because women like flowers. I have not done the photo service yet I can see the value to it, to some extent.


Peewee

[antiscam_advise]

I did use it and with their help found out that the woman I had been writing AND speaking to on the phone was only a scam as she did not live where she said.

After I got my report, I confronted the woman about her address (the woman who said in many emails that she could not live without me) she got mad, told me to forget it and I never heard from her again...

......now, I really thought she was legit, I spoke on the phone with her and she seemed very genuine, so much so, I was ready to book my flight to see her.  Guess the scam would have caught up with me when I arrived in Russia.....

If you still have some doubts about her: just email me with your invoice order number: admin@russiansamcheck.org and we can do another check for you FREE of charge.

Many scammers do get emotional when they get uncovered, yet some others just become slient and never answer.

Damien,
http://www.RussianScamCheck.org
http://www.RussianFlora.com

[antiscam_advise]

If what you say is correct then you need to check your shopping cart application because it is giving the wrong prices. I did previously provide the link for your benefit. My recollection of your Scamcheck price for your single bloom was $36 it is now showing as $44.
I am a tad surprised that you tell us a delivery firm does not check addresses before delivery. Are you REALLY telling us that?

Leslie ~ I do not think I wrote that one should not use a flower delivery service, I originally commented upon the type of offering and also its price. I do question its value in practical terms and I am sure I have no need to repeat the valid points. Justplanecrazy would have found the flowers to be undeliverable by using any other reputable service, or Damien's normal and strangely similar service - the woman did not live at the address she gave. Undoubtedly she will learn from her mistake and improve next time round.That said I am happy he did find out sooner rather than later. This woman's next victim is unlikely to be so lucky.

Andrewifin - the Scam Check service never costed $36.
It used to cost $40 + delivery surcharge based on the destination, and now $44 all inclusive.

Yes, i am repeating myself: delivery people are not always capable to make public records address check, because these directories are often outdated or unavailable quickly. Sometimes the request will take 6-7 days to process. So, the physical address check, mailbox check, neigbours quetionairy is far more reliable in Russia then any records.
Moscow and St petersburg are exceptions of course: we can get info quickly and more reliably than in other cities.

In regards to the same scammer being more experienced: i agree she may be more experienced, but we keep track of all of the names and publish them on a regular basis to other scam databases.
Of course they change names and photos... so not all the evil can be eliminated, yet its affect can be reduced as we have seen in some examples from Crazy and other posters.

Regards,

Damien
http://www.RussianScamCheck.org
http://www.RussianFlora.com

[antiscam_advise]

With 10.000 customers I would think it is quite possible that there have been multiple deliveries (or attempts) from different customers to one scammer.

If delivery is not possible or scam encountered will the next guy coming along be charged to send flowers to the same girl/address? Or is the customer advised up front he is being scammed?

Great question!
We will notify client of this possibility if the address or first & last name match, otherwise we proceed with the check.
In most cases we are asked to proceed with the check regardless, so we do.

Damien
http://www.RussianScamCheck.org
http://www.RussianFlora.com

[antiscam_advise]

In all honesty, if Damien's Scamcheck service reliably offered that function as a fundamental part of the service then IMHO that WOULD be worth the money thay ask, flowers or no flowers! But can one adequately rely upon the previous feedback of people who, as Damien previously told us, are not detectives but flower deliverers with a pencil and a camera? Would YOU trust them?

Andrewfin, it's about the price you pay. Russian private detectives are far more expensive and disconnected.
Will you trust a Russian detective if you live in US, not Estonia?
How would you find one? How would you pay him with no worries that he is a scam himself?

It'll run you from $500 and up for evern a small reputable detective project in Russia.

Will you learn more than Russian Sam Check visit provides? - Unlikely...
the matter of a fact is - you want to know one answer: "Is she REAL ?"  or to paraphraze it: "Did she lie me byproviding an incorrect address ?" if so - why should I trust her from now on ?

Damien

http://www.RussianScamCheck.org
http://www.RussianFlora.com

[JustPlaneCrazy]

If you still have some doubts about her: just email me with your invoice order number: admin@russiansamcheck.org and we can do another check for you FREE of charge.

I tried sending you the invoice number but your email address and host are unknown and bounce back to me.

Here is the invoice number - 1153423872

my email - toddj@stjoelive.com

Thanks,
Todd

[Rvrwind]

WE just did a check on a lady here in Tver for Joe F.
Much to my dismay I had to report that in my opinion he was being scammed!
The phone # was a total phoney & the address was for a government building. She/he gave an apartment # but not an apartment in the building nor an office with a corresponding # & when we inquired of the people working there if they new the lady in question, nobody ever heard of her.
The next step was he sent him/her an email saying he had a Canadian friend (me) working & living in Tver & that I had a gift for her & that if she wished to receive it she would need to contact me. He then gave her my office address & phone #. That was about 2 weeks ago, guess what, she/he hasn't called or showed up.
I'd say thats about as reliable as any info you will get from a PI at a fraction of the cost.
Incidently, what triggered his red flag was the Visa/Travel Agency scam routine. He saved a lot of money by going through us to check her out rather than sending her the money to buy a visa from the travel agent & waiting for her not to show up at the airport!

[RESQU]

BillyB, about your study over visit one and visit many, you forget a important factor called time...

These VM use very little time with each women... in some case, it can be only one hour of face to face... in so short time, it is almost impossible to see the possible red flag and know the compatibility level... Maybe the VO who stay several days with one lady will discover that they are incompatible... i think that it is maybe better that the VM who only discover it after the marriage.

I am a WOVO... repeated several time until i have find the right lady... my method allow me to have more face time with the woman before take some decision... and i don't think that i am the guy who make a lot of questions here, i mainly reply to question...

The guy who plan to visit 20 women in one trip need to stay minimum 20 week for have the time to know the right one... but usually, these men who visit 20 women stay only a few day... the final choice will be more based on the lust factor and not the real quality of the woman.

Again, in all this procedure, i repeat that time is the main factor... if you are able to stay several month in FSU, visit many is a good week... but if you have only short time stay, one or two week, visit one is not a bad strategie : you will know if she is the right one or not... Visit many during a short stay lead to nothing good, you will have date several women but not know enough about them for make the right choice...

Yes, Billy and Bruno I agree with your opinions and methods and can see where they have been successful.  However, it depends on the individual what works the best for them for finding the right one.  Someone here made the point of saying they were visiting Russia for vacation anyway and decided to meet women also....IMHO it's difficult to think of a trip as a failure if you see a new country and learn about its culture.  I visited Russia for a month, and saw several great cities and sites.  I also met many ladies.  I used a combination of writing some women for several months, writing some women only a few letters, some agency meetings, and just meeting women on my own in cafe's, restaurants, stores. museums etc. and asking them out for a date.  Bruno I personally am able to weed out women based upon a 2 hr. date, simply based upon whether I think we have chemistry with each other.  I agree wholeheartedly with both of you that a man should spend a lot  of time with a woman to know for sure if she is the right one.  I would never consider marriage to an AW before 3-6 mos. of dating and apply the same to a foreign relationship.  So yes it is going to take many trips and time spent with her. 

To be fair, there are RW/AM marriages here in the States that are successful with even some one week wonder guys... it's just not for me and obviously not right for either of you based upon what I have read in your posts.

I have had several relationships at home where things were great until we took a vacation together for 2 weeks and were together constantly.  So I think this element should be added to suggestions for some guys considering this.

Andrew, I have read your posts and find them very amusing and enjoy your skill as a writer and use of the language(yes I realize I do not share your talent)  One thing that I disagree on a small level with you is your opinions of agency women.  Yes I agree, and from some experience, that many of the agency women are "bottom barrel" however I did meet several sophisticated and intelligent women who were members of an agency, so again its all about searching for the select "few" for a man.  I guess there may be several men that do not want a sophisticated woman, so they get their pick of the litter! (no pun intended)

Sending flowers w/ a photo to "help" verify if a woman is real sounds OK to me.  Why?  It's all about compatability between the men and women.  If a man thinks its appropriate, there will also be a number of women who do not see it as offensive, again more campatability between them.  My approach has always been honesty up front.  All the women I met knew I was meeting other women, and I expect that they meet other men as well.  I told them that if we had good chemistry and other parameters were aligned, then we could continue writing and I would visit them again to see where it could lead to.  What I did not expect to happen, was that one woman I met stood out so completely above all the others I met, I was blindsided when it happened.  So now I am writing only to her, and will visit again in a few months.

My plan is to visit every 3 months.  This next visit for 2 weeks, she will still be working, so I have other things to do during the day.  She asked me about what I want to do when I am there, and I told her maybe see a movie or the theatre one night and the rest just spend the evenings at home cooking dinner together and talking.... you know, just normal life.  My next visit she plans to have the two weeks off work, so we may take a few small day trips and visit some of her extended family.  The visit after that will be for 2-3weeks in Turkey, Prague, Crimea or some vacation together.  If all these visits go very well I can see the possibility of a marriage proposal.

Bruno, yes I did actually spend a whole week with her on my first trip.  I re-arranged my schedule to go back and see her for 5 days before I left Russia.  So meeting several women your first trip can work as long as you keep your plans somewhat loose.  There are so many ways do approach all this, we all just think the way we do it is the best.