Is this normal for Russian Women?

[JayH]

.   You are looking at the wrong Maza. The one you are talking about is west of the Volga. The Maza Anastasija is from is east of the Volga, and as a crow flies probably, 75 miles north and slightly east of Nizhny Novgorod. It is actually in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.

I love it when people like you think you're doing some serious detective work and find out it was a complete waste of time.

Nice try though.

What a smug dill you come off as.
You live in your car? Your unemployed?  Your a great candidate for international dating!
Many posts in thread from those "trying" to help you .Some of those people I do not agree with on much at all -- BUT -- they are trying to help you.You do not have to take their advice-- but -it should at least point you in the right direction.

My view?   I wrote elsewhere today on forum about guys having  a 1% chance  --  so -- yes-- in your case it is possible. Is it likely -that would be a no.

You have chosen to mock those that have made a superficial examination  of available info -- do you really want someone to really investigate your situation. Annoy me a bit more and  I will follow up -- and write every part of what I find here for all to read. Additionally  -- I will mention it all again after every future post you make!
Of course -- you will be like a 1000 others before you that have ridiculous optimism based on very little --in your case -- your ego that is so certain everyone else is so wrong ( chances are that in all the posts in this thread that a summary amalgam will prove pretty close to reality) Chances are that when reality sets in for you on all this-- you will not come back and post anything at all !
Or be like others-set up a new id !!!!! to hide behind !

Is he simply a troll -- sure sound dumb enough to be !

[BillyB]

Honestly everyone...has anyone on this website ever heard of a scammer  selling everything she owns, and then looks to get a loan on top of that?

The woman didn't do any of that, did she? Plenty of scammers tell their men they are paying their way to America by whatever means possible. Everyone of those guys think their story is different.

How many scamming Russians send pictures of themselves posing in front of the Maza post office? And have the strange Russian alphabet in the top boarders of every picture I receive?

Men have had scammers hold up signs with their name. Scammers do what it takes to scam. Husband and wife team in Russia made out with 1.5 million before they were caught.

What's the real game here? Are you folks just bored or are you just annoyed that a 29 year old princess isn't coming to see you?

The game is you asked a question "Is this normal for Russian Women....or did I get really lucky?" You have doubts to be asking that question because deep down you know there's no 29 year old virgin princess coming to your doorstep in America so you two can live happily ever after.

I've posted on message boards since 1997 and I've never seen a more negative or  skeptical crowd than this.
 

You didn't get the answer you wanted so you label people here negative. How can anybody be optimistic for you? What woman in her right mind would sell everything off, move to another country to live with an unemployed man she hasn't spoken to? You're even ready to sell everything off and move to her if she doesn't get the visa. People ask if you're making this up but IamMaiC in another thread had a guy tell him he's wanting to sell everything off and move to Ukraine for a girl he's never met. Hard to believe you people exist but truth can be stranger than fiction. If your woman isn't a scammer, she's out of touch with reality which makes her not normal and certainly not exceptional.

I will update as often as I can.

Updates aren't important. Any talk between you and her is meaningless. Come back and tell us when there is action. Did she get the visa or not? If she didn't, when are you buying your tickets to Russia to live with her? Most guys disappear after they get played. They don't have the guts to come back and tell us how it ends. Make sure to provide a photo of you two at the Maza post office.

[Geoffrey D]

This really is the strangest place I've ever been to. I am continually warned by most of you about  the real  possibility of a scam....and the majority of you are 100% certain it's s scam.

I will ask one more time because I'm a  little slow and now extremely curious....

Since I don't intend to ever send her one penny....and she knows this by the way.... I'm obviously not ever going to be scammed. This is not debatable.

So what is the message you guys are trying so desperately to send??

That there's a possibility that she could ask for money?

I'm not saying it couldn't happen because there's no guarantee shes completely authentic. I get that.

And if so, how exactly is that a scam?

And of course I'm wary of all the warning signs and red flags.

She has not given me one minute of doubt and has given me zero reason not to believe everything she says.

I'm sorry im a little perturbed with most of you. It's just that all of you fine people that think you know what's really going on here and are actually so clueless. As blind as a mole with sunglasses.

I originally came here to tell you folks about this amazing girl i met from Russia. A girl so kind and sweet but so lonely. That real miracles can actually happen.

I didn't expect to have a bunch of people tell me what fool I am.

Just a really odd message board.

Clearly, none of you have ever met or experienced a human female anything like her. I sure haven't. Not even close. I won't even try to convince you. This is a girl that doesn't make sense to you. It's confusing you.

A orphaned village girl that has never  lived anywhere else and has not been exposed to myths, stereotypes, and other crap that clutters most westerners minds. This girl is pure innocence and none of you can even relate to it.

So I'm guessing all your red flags are born from the age difference?

I see nothing else that could remotely suggest scam.

I am done with my rant. I'll behave.

[msmob]

.   You are looking at the wrong Maza. The one you are talking about is west of the Volga. The Maza Anastasija is from is east of the Volga, and as a crow flies probably, 75 miles north and slightly east of Nizhny Novgorod. It is actually in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.

I love it when people like you think you're doing some serious detective work and find out it was a complete waste of time.

Nice try though.

Mate,



Any time I wasted was a pleasure and learning - as I love pouring over comms coverage maps

Once again, whether you like the advice or not - YOU asked for it and I'm in a long-term relationship and - like most on here - posted our considerable experience - thinking of your best interests...



In the meantime, I'll try and find the 'correct' Maza

You need to wind your neck in .. don't get upset when you hear stuff you don't want to hear and I'll be as happy as most folk to be proven wrong

[Mappy]

Geoffrey,

You posted here asking for comments, and we are doing you the favour of offering our honest advice.

The essential problems with your scenario are threefold.  Firstly there is the fact that she has done all the running in building your 'relationship', despite what she has to offer given the very large age gap.  Then there is the extreme incredibility of her getting a tourist visa, selling all her possessions and taking a loan to stay with someone she hasn't ever met (stories of abusive or neglectful American men are common in Russian media).  Then we have the lack of phone/Skype contact.

'She' is behaving like no sensible normal person, and if she is real you should be wondering why (indeed, wasn't that your question?).  However it remains the case that this is almost certainly a scam.

The idea is to get you so hooked - emotionally invested and prepared - for the idea of the visit that you are prepared to send money at the last minute for whatever credible reason they can devise.  If they sense you won't make a large payment they will start with something small.

It's good that you are determined not to send anything.  However maybe you haven't considered how difficult it will be to throw away all your dreams and the new life you are imagining, just for the sake of a hundred dollars? 'She' could be at the airport, hours away, and promising to be with you soon if only you will send the money.  She has none left, as she has sold everything and taken a loan on top, remember?  And what sort of man puts her through all that and then leaves her stranded because he won't send a little money?  The emotional leverage they will have over you is immense.

Their key task is getting the victim over the first hurdle of sending at least something.  Once that is done its human nature not to walk away from your losses or admit you've been a fool, so most people find themselves sending more.  There are some truly tragic stories of what has happened to some men out there; go do some reading.

Anyhow, thanks for keeping us updated.

[JayH]

You are about as dumb as a rock. Any one comparing  my relationship to the thousands that have come before!me screams of someone that has a huge ego and hates to be wrong. Am I right?...and because of your expert experience in this field, you know exactly how my situation will turn out correct? You've seen this exact situation 100 times before

You how stupid this sounds? How many Orphaned village girls have you researched? How about orphaned village girls that work in the same hospital she was born in? How did the research go on the orphaned, village girl that except for 5 years of medical college, has lived in the same village her entire life. How about the 29 year old orphaned village girl that has lived in the same tiny hole her entire life, and hasn't had a boyfriend since college? And is tired of being lonely and by herself.

How many of these have you run into lately?

I need to retract some of my earlier comments --

I said "What a smug dill you come off as. " -that should have read -- "what a clueless moronic smug dill you are"   

I guess you missed the part where I gave you 1% chance of anything being possible --I can see now I was far to generous in that assessment --maybe    oo.ooo1%  chance !


Ok --let us take  serious look --post here the contents of the original letter that you received --let us see that --  thankyou.

[Geoffrey D]

Here's an example of what she writes. This was sent Thursday......

Geoffrey I'm so happy that everything turns out. I really miss and think
of you constantly. I'll go and learn about what is going on and may
soon be known to date in our meeting with you. And I'm really happy
and I believe it will happen very soon.
Geoffrey, I am very glad that you said address. Thank you very much.
Your phone number I have is also recorded. I hope that everything will
work out and I will be able soon to call you and hear your voice.
Geoffrey I All evening to prepare for the interview. Study questions.
Repeat answers. I'll be well prepared. That everything was fine. That
there would be no problems, and I was able to get a visa and to be
with you.
Geoffrey When I close my eyes I see beautiful dreams. I feel good.
Sometimes I do not want to wake up. I want to sleep and see beyond
dreams. Because I'm with you. And it's all unnecessary.
Geoffrey Do you prepare for my arrival? I'm so excited. I think too much
about it. And every day our meeting is getting closer and closer. Soon
all our dreams will come true. Can you imagine? All of what I think,
imagine. Geoffrey I think it would be a great time.
Geoffrey My friend and neighbor, prepare for your gifts. I'll take them
with you. They are not expensive. But it's nice to get such things.
I'm sure you'll like. They send you greetings.
Geoffrey I send you its tenderness and affection. And believe it give you
strength and you feel better. I really want to be with you. Only with
you forever. And I believe and I'm doing, what would it happened.
I miss you and await your response tomorrow.
KISS YOU!!
Your loving and gentle Anastasija

[Anotherkiwi]

So what is the message you guys are trying so desperately to send??

...

And of course I'm wary of all the warning signs and red flags.

She has not given me one minute of doubt and has given me zero reason not to believe everything she says.

I'm sorry im a little perturbed with most of you. It's just that all of you fine people that think you know what's really going on here and are actually so clueless. As blind as a mole with sunglasses.

I originally came here to tell you folks about this amazing girl i met from Russia. A girl so kind and sweet but so lonely. That real miracles can actually happen.

I've sat back in wonderment as this thread has unspooled and I, like many others, am beginning to wonder if you are actually for real.  It is not "we" who are as blind as a mole with sunglasses (nice analogy, by the way).  Although you are seeing what people post, you're not actually reading what they write.

Who is "she?"  You have NOT met this amazing girl from Russia - you have only received emails and photos from her, or someone purporting to be her.  You haven't spoken to her on the phone and you haven't spoken to her on any video link (Skype, Viber, WhatsApp, Facebook or vKontakte as just some examples).  Of course it could all be for real - none of us know any differently, and miracles do happen.  However, unfortunately, miracles in the world of FSU dating don't happen like this.

I didn't expect to have a bunch of people tell me what fool I am.

Just a really odd message board.

Clearly, none of you have ever met or experienced a human female anything like her. I sure haven't. Not even close. I won't even try to convince you. This is a girl that doesn't make sense to you. It's confusing you.

A orphaned village girl that has never  lived anywhere else and has not been exposed to myths, stereotypes, and other crap that clutters most westerners minds. This girl is pure innocence and none of you can even relate to it.

What is the point of you coming to this forum, and asking for advice, if you're not prepared to take the slightest bit of notice from MANY people who have been in your situation in the past?  You're right that this girl doesn't make sense to me, but it's not from her being the pure, virginal village innocent.  Again, while it would be lovely that all of her story were true, how can you possibly verify ANY of it from so far away, especially when you have never even spoken to her?  And, if she has lived in this remote village all her life, why on earth has she learnt English?  What possible use would it be in the back of beyond?  As for being exposed to the "myths and stereotypes" - has this girl never, EVER, read a newspaper or seen Russian television?  She will see far more of what you're worried about there than she ever would if she was in your country.

Even five minutes on the phone would give you some idea of her real persona.

So I'm guessing all your red flags are born from the age difference?

Not for me - I honestly didn't even consider that as a red flag (maybe yellow, but not red - yet).  There are far more pressing concerns for me than whether or not she is only half your age.  This forum has members (plural) where the difference between their age and their wife's age is greater than this, so I would park that to one side for the moment.  As a starting point, I would be far more concerned with her behaviour, attitude and general character than with her age.  And, to find out at least some of the answers, I would talk to her - which you haven't done.

The final nail in the coffin of this relationship, for me, is that neither of you has any money.  It's highly likely that she couldn't travel to the USA, because she most likely won't be able to get a visa, and you don't have the money to go to see her - and certainly wouldn't be able to get a visa to go and live in a country where you don't speak the language, wouldn't be able to earn any money, and would be living with a girl who appears to be as poor as a churchmouse and would have to support both of you on her minimal state salary as a nurse.

Yes, it would be wonderful if you could pull it off.

Here's an example of what she writes. This was sent Thursday......

Very nice.  And pretty much the same, word for word, as one of the emails I received from "my" Anastasija before my first trip to Russia (which, by the way, wasn't to meet her).

[Mappy]

Geoffrey - very similar to what I was receiving.  They have a stock of emails like that, and just change the name and add a few personal sentences here and there.

THE PROOF?

Go do a Google search on the phrase "I send you its tenderness and affection."

Indeed number 24 from 'loving and gentle Anna' in this thread has several sentences from your letter:

http://anti-scam.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1323188516/26


Did you ever do the IP check on the email headers that I suggested?

[JayH]

Here's an example of what she writes. This was sent Thursday......

I am particularly interested in the very first letter interaction  that you received .
Then your response  -- &  her 2nd letter

tia

[Mappy]

Mate, you simply need to ask yourself how likely is it that your young orphan in 2017 sent you this:

"I send you its tenderness and affection. And believe it give you
strength and you feel better. I really want to be with you. Only with you forever"

When a certain 'loving Anna' way back in 2011 wrote EXACTLY THE SAME.  As part of a scam.

????

Indeed that Number 24 I linked to IS BASICALLY YOUR LETTER off pat.


As I advised you in my very first reply, a few minutes on Google would have solved this for you at the beginning.

As the forum I accessed soon needs a login, here's the 2011 scam letter, so readers can easily compare:

xxx I'm so happy that everything turns out. I really miss and think
of you constantly. I'll go and learn about what is going on and may
soon be known to date in our meeting with you. And I'm really happy
and I believe it will happen very soon.
It is pleasant to me to look at a photo which you me to send. You not
her such lovely and charming. I hope, that you will send such photo to
me still many times. It is pleasant to me to receive a photo together
with your letter. You strongly to like me on this a photo. I to hope,
that you as to think of me.
xxx I All evening to prepare for the interview. Study questions.
Repeat answers. I'll be well prepared. That everything was fine. That
there would be no problems, and I was able to get a visa and to be
with you.   
xxx When I close my eyes I see beautiful dreams. I feel good.
Sometimes I do not want to wake up. I want to sleep and see beyond
dreams. Because I'm with you. And it's all unnecessary.
xxx Do you prepare for my arrival? I'm so excited. I think too much
about it. And every day our meeting is getting closer and closer. Soon
all our dreams will come true. Can you imagine? All of what I think,
imagine. xxx I think it would be a great time.
xxx My friend and neighbor, prepare for your gifts. I'll take them
with you. They are not expensive. But it's nice to get such things.
I'm sure you'll like. They send you greetings.
xxx I send you its tenderness and affection. And believe it give you
strength and you feel better. I really want to be with you. Only with
you forever. And I believe and I'm doing, what would it happened.
I miss you and await your response tomorrow.
KISSSS
Your loving and gentle Anna

p.s. I am assuming that the "xxx" are edits by the 2011 victim where his name appeared  You will notice that many of the same paragraphs are cut and paste into your letter, using your name instead.

P.p.s. I know you are feeling sore right now Geoffrey.  After weeks of putting your emotion into the correspondence it is very hard to come to terms with it not being real.  You have at least been saved from whatever gut-wrenching sting they have planned for you, haven't made a fool of yourself at the airport, and have come out ahead of the German guy who posted up his entire correspondence, which almost certainly means he lost his money.  And you won't need to clean up your home.

p.p.p.s for new readers, the lesson of this thread is as a demonstration of how easy it is to disregard perfectly sound advice (even after the sufficient sense to ask for it in the first place) when you are already invested in a position.  Even the smallest doubt justifies doing a few simple checks.

[JayH]

Mate, you simply need to ask yourself how likely is it that your young orphan in 2017 sent you this:

.  And you won't need to clean up your home.

You must mean clean his car!

Thanks for posts-- you got completely where I was going   with seeing text.

Re: Anna <vasianna@yahoo.com>
Antwort #24 - 09. Dezember 2011 um 10:31
Moderator melden 
xxx I'm so happy that everything turns out. I really miss and think
of you constantly. I'll go and learn about what is going on and may
soon be known to date in our meeting with you. And I'm really happy
and I believe it will happen very soon.
It is pleasant to me to look at a photo which you me to send. You not
her such lovely and charming. I hope, that you will send such photo to
me still many times. It is pleasant to me to receive a photo together
with your letter. You strongly to like me on this a photo. I to hope,
that you as to think of me.
xxx I All evening to prepare for the interview. Study questions.
Repeat answers. I'll be well prepared. That everything was fine. That
there would be no problems, and I was able to get a visa and to be
with you.   
xxx When I close my eyes I see beautiful dreams. I feel good.
Sometimes I do not want to wake up. I want to sleep and see beyond
dreams. Because I'm with you. And it's all unnecessary.
xxx Do you prepare for my arrival? I'm so excited. I think too much
about it. And every day our meeting is getting closer and closer. Soon
all our dreams will come true. Can you imagine? All of what I think,
imagine. xxx I think it would be a great time.
xxx My friend and neighbor, prepare for your gifts. I'll take them
with you. They are not expensive. But it's nice to get such things.
I'm sure you'll like. They send you greetings.
xxx I send you its tenderness and affection. And believe it give you
strength and you feel better. I really want to be with you. Only with
you forever. And I believe and I'm doing, what would it happened.
I miss you and await your response tomorrow.
KISSSS
Your loving and gentle Anna

[Mappy]

To finish the 2011 story, the scammers using the same letter template as Geoffrey received had an American IP address.  So they could be in America. Or using a VPN.

*she* too sold her flat and furniture and took out a loan, to make her visit.  And borrowed from friends.  Got his phone number so he could be called at the airport.  As the day approaches she gets more and more emotional and intimate.  Then she struggled to raise the money for the air ticket.  Asked him for $521.  The final letter is one from her complaining that he hasn't replied - all sad and lonely - so it is possible the guy didn't fall for it.

The same letter template was used in 2015 by an *Anastasiya*.  Said she was 28.  Ended by wanting money paid into a Russian bank account name of Kuzminova, Anastasiya Aleksandrovna.  Nice photos of a young woman with long black hair.  Same story, sold her flat, borrowed from friends etc.  Asked for $498.  Offered to send a scan of her passport.

And again by the same 'loving and gentle' Anastasia to a Canadian guy.  Missing him constantly by email 5, selling her flat by email 7 (do all flats go for $1000 in Russia? ), surname Semenova, wanted $422 at email 16.

In none of these cases is there any evidence that the putative couples ever spoke to each other.

[Davo]

I don't know what the usual custom for you foreign guys is in this situation, but Geoff... for us Aussies shouting a slab of beer is the done thing and maybe 2 for Mappy 

[Doll]

Feels like TS doesn't read our answers.
Geoffrey D , I gave you a short clear answer as a Russian woman. There was NOTHING about sending money.
Also, I know how things are with Internet in Russia.

[Mappy]

Geoffrey will be feeling pretty low right now.  Particularly as I bet he has finally done the Google searches and found a lot more of his 'personal' correspondence already on the net.

He shouldn't feel too bad about having been sucked into the scam correspondence.  It happens to tons of men all the time, many of whom send money in all sorts of currencies off to Russia.  He had the good sense to post here and eventually avoid any risk from the end game of the scam.  Or at the least, more days of being strung along, multiplying the eventual distress.

What Geoffrey might usefully reflect upon is why, despite claiming to be a "master" at dealing with scammers in his second post, he didn't bother to make the very simple searches that I suggested to him in the very first reply he got in this thread?

 It took me less than a minute this morning, from seeing his message to proving it was definitely a scam.  There is no reason why he could not have done the same himself ten days ago.

[Jumper]

Honestly everyone...has anyone on this website ever heard of a scammer  selling everything she owns, and then looks to get a loan on top of that?

How many scamming Russians send pictures of themselves posing in front of the Maza post office? And have the strange Russian alphabet in the top boarders of every picture I receive?

I wonder how many authentic, no strings attached, relationships you guys have busted up with your "warnings" ?

Why do any of you give a flying F about me anyway? Are you folks truly concerned she may really ask me for my last 5 dollars?

What's the real game here? Are you folks just bored or are you just annoyed that a 29 year old princess isn't coming to see you?

I've posted on message boards since 1997 and I've never seen a more negative or  skeptical crowd than this.
 You folks are worse than Laker fans.

You are amusing though and I will update as often as I can.

I don't think she can take you for anything, as you've stated you have nothing to take.

It could be legit, but screams a scam attempt will come at some point.probably small reasonable amount .
If it doesn't, cool, and  so what, why do you give a F what pepole you don't know think?

Speaking of people you dont know, you don't know this girl from maza, neither do we, but your take on her has no more reality than anyone else's .

As far as selling everything, you have no real idea what she has or hasn't sold, whether she has anything to sell, or would truly sell it all, to fly and meet a man she has never met but is madly in love with.

We don't know either, if that's your point, spot on.
We have zero clue about who she is,what she owns, or what she's willing to sell.Odds are you don't really either.

I know my wife,28 at the time,wouldn't have sold her home to come see me,a man she hadn't met.
I would have thought her insane if she had those thoughts.So it's not normal behavior in any country,although it is possible.

[Jumper]

Just read the above letters.
, so typical scam attempt as most predicted

[Mappy]

At least we see now why you are called Jumper?

Their script is clearly one that works for them, as they've been using the same format letters for seven years now

[GQBlues]

Is this normal for Russian Women?

Given the thought, and considering the counterpart, did it ever really mattered?

[kynrazor]

Cut him some slack. It definitely inflicts quite a psychological toll on people, especially when one doesn't want to give up on the very possibility that it may indeed be a miracle.

At the very least the OP has not paid up anything.  If I were the OP, I'll keep talking with the "girl" till the OP has closure.

[Faux Pas]

A great line in the movie Cool Hand Luke;

"Some people you just can't reach"

"He wants it well....he gets it"

[Jumper]

At least we see now why you are called Jumper?

Their script is clearly one that works for them, as they've been using the same format letters for seven years now

Well as stated before he could have googled her letters and got confirmation himself of what he already knew.

[Doll]

Mappy , I don't need ANY research to figure out right away that it 's scam. Why? Because I am  a Russian woman))

[Doll]

I am 146% sure the TS is trolling us.